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Gameweek 13 of Fantasy Premier League (FPL) begins at the City Ground, where Nottingham Forest and Liverpool meet in the 12.30pm BST kick-off.

Most Premier League clubs have played three matches over the last week and none have had turnarounds as quick as Liverpool, so there is unsurprisingly more rotation from Jurgen Klopp today.

Having made five changes to his starting XI in Gameweek 12, the Reds’ head coach has done the same again this lunchtime.

Trent Alexander-Arnold is among those players dropping to the bench, while Darwin Nunez – flagged as a doubt ahead of this game – isn’t involved at all.

Thiago Alcantara doesn’t make the matchday squad, either, with Klopp explaining ahead of kick-off why those two players aren’t available today:

“No [it’s not precautionary], I wish I could do that.

“For Darwin the game comes too early, he still feels the intensity of the game muscle-wise so there was no chance he could play today. Maybe he could play tomorrow or on Monday but not today.

“And Thiago got a bad ear infection overnight. The decision was made this morning at 5.15. That’s how it is sometimes and that’s the reason for that.” – Jurgen Klopp

Jordan Henderson and Kostas Tsimikas are the other two players to make way, while Andrew Robertson, James Milner, Harvey Elliott, Fabinho and Curtis Jones are handed recalls.

If Klopp is sticking with his new-look 4-4-2, Darwin’s absence means that Mohamed Salah looks set to play through the middle alongside Roberto Firmino.

As for hosts Nottingham Forest, Neco Williams gets another start and comes face to face with his old club.

Steve Cooper’s two changes see Brennan Johnson and Orel Mangala drop to the bench and Taiwo Awoniyi and Cheikhou Kouyate return.

GAMEWEEK 13 LINE-UPS

Nottingham Forest: Henderson, Aurier, Cook, McKenna, Williams, Yates, Freuler, Kouyate, Gibbs-White, Awoniyi, Lingard.

Substitutes: Biancone, Worrall, Mangala, Hennessey, Surridge, Johnson, Dennis, Boly, Renan Lodi.

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Milner, Gomez, van Dijk, Robertson, Elliott, Fabinho, Jones, Salah, Firmino, Carvalho.

Substitutes: Adrian, Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Tsimikas, Clark, Bajcetic, Phillips, Kelleher, Alexander-Arnold.


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  1. They are eating the dogs
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Robertson to Trent for free?

    1. Paqueta Rice
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Williams

      1. They are eating the dogs
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Have him already.

  2. Over Midwicket
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Hendo or Raya on WC. Pope and Newcastle don’t concede shots anymore

    1. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Raya

  3. Lingard’s Shin Guards
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    wonder if klopp goes back into the dressing room and rips into his team or tells them the grass was too long

  4. F4L
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Trossard at wing back again, de Zerbi really doesn't rate Estupinan does he?

    1. Dannyb
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      His rulebreakers card is quite good on fifa haha

  5. The Reptile
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    I know mate _ same here - Firmino and Salah useless

  6. Sandy Ravage
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Henderson out for a hit to get Saka was a no-brainer

  7. Philosopher's Stones
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone got Pep's number? I just wanna talk.

    1. TheBiffas
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Or better, his home address

      1. el polako
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        1 Ivory Tower
        Dreams Land

  8. Postman Ty
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Forest are so bad they missed a 2v1 from half with an empty net, but still won.

  9. el polako
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 1 month ago

    Mane knew...

    1. TheBiffas
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Not sure he did mate

  10. Mirror Man
      3 years, 1 month ago

      People laughed at me when I told them the CS expo could affect Foden's minutes. Jokes on them.

    • Free Hat
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Yes ,Salah isnt the same.
      But seeing the line up this wasnt unexpected.
      Jones, Carvalho, Milner agent good enough.
      Fabinho totally out of form.
      Firmino was poor.
      Elliot tries but seems the only one.

      There was just no creativity in midfield and no matter who you put in front , if you dont get the ball you cant score.

      Nfo deserved this win

      1. SouthCoastSaint
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Hindsight though. They conceded 3 at home to Bournemouth and Fulham. Wasn’t beyond the realms of possibility that Salah might score a few

        1. Free Hat
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Not really. I posted it before kick off.
          Not saying liv couldnt have scored, or salah.
          Just saying liv have too many injuries, players out form or players who just dont cut it.

          Seeing the line up you could tell Salah would have problems getting the ball.

          There is a huge difference between a taa, thiago,luiz on the pitch than a milner,Jones,carvalho.

          1. SouthCoastSaint
            • 14 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            Yep agree. Both Jones and Elliot have shown potential but no where near levels of those injured as you pointed out;

            Forest executed the game perfectly

    • They are eating the dogs
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      All Liverpool away games should have red or purple colour evaluation.

      1. el polako
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        And Salah revalued at 7.5m

    • TheBiffas
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      3 points from 3 players, roll on the rest of the week

      1. Mambino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        I'm on 1 point from 2

    • Lieutenant Frank Columbo
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Looking forward to the post match interview from the toothy beard.

      1. el polako
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        "Man City spent 2 more pounds than us, that's why we've lost today".

    • SouthCoastSaint
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Liverpool must have been insanely over performing in previous seasons as this regression across every player bar Allison is crazy.

      The side ways passing of Henderson in that second half would have driven me insane if it was a fan

      1. TheBiffas
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        We're well and truly WASHED.

        1. SouthCoastSaint
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Purely on Klopp. I know he has players returning from injury but benching your only player likely to create is madness.

          1. TheBiffas
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            He's been caught out playing weaker sides against "easy" opposition before now, he never learns his lesson

            1. SouthCoastSaint
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 1 month ago

              Looking forward to the post match excuses.

              Will probably cite all the money forest have spent as a reason for the loss and Liverpool can’t compete financially

      2. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        They weren't overperforming. The balance of attack vs defence was different.

        Compare Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum with Jones, Fabinho, Elliott.

        Plus Nunez and Diaz are more attacking (don't put in the hard defensive yards) than Mane. So they have overtilted to attack, which exposes their defence, which means they concede more and lose more games.

        1. SouthCoastSaint
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Disagree entirely. Problem today was attack. They looked clueless against the low block:

          Granted few good chances from set pieces they barley created anything

          1. diesel001
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            They look clueless against the low block because they can't unleash the full-backs (TAA didn't even start) because more of their attack is coming through midfield and forwards.

            A few seasons ago, the low block was defeated by pushing the full backs so high the pitch and the midfield three being fairly deep. Occasionally one of Wijnaldum or Henderson would make a late run forward.

            Need to go back to the old ways. Protect TAA and Robbo, by being defensive in midfield and let TAA and Robbo run riot.

            1. SouthCoastSaint
              • 14 Years
              3 years, 1 month ago

              Very much agree

      3. Nanoelektronicar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        You can't go just on intensity forever.

    • Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Sell Foden everyone!

    • FPL_trail_runner
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      Anyone with Salah realistically needs to keep since its a wildcard in 3 weeks

      Pretty poor use of funds to move him to Saka ( and besides the current structure allows likes of Saka /Foden and Salah

      1. TheBiffas
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Agreed

      2. Lingard’s Shin Guards
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        i would rather someone that will score pts even if they're 5m cheaper

        1. FPL_trail_runner
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Good luck finding that other someone who you can be sure will outscore him - i mean he scored 6 days ago

          He is still on pens and getting chances and as i said its only 3 weeks left till wildcard , so ya poor use of a transfer

          1. v1nc3
            • 6 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            KDB.

    • FPL_trail_runner
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 1 month ago

      May sell Firmino for Jesus for -4 at this rate. Not loving having Bobby who may need to play CL midweek

    • Mirror Man
        3 years, 1 month ago

        When you spend more time on teeth maintenance than you do football tactics, these are the kind of things you can expect to happen.

        Less toothy, more footy. That's the way to turn it around.

        1. el polako
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Maybe he's trying too hard to impress Firmino.

      • FPL_trail_runner
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        Would love a comfy 3-0 city will with the random scorers of Silva Mahrez and Grealish

        Haaland 1 assist will do .

        (No relation to having captained Salah of course)

      • Ahmed Adam
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 1 month ago

        I captained Salah (C), Who else did that

        1. el polako
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Just you.

        2. SouthCoastSaint
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Yep. Being a sheep gets you up the ranks but was a good week to punt on Salah.

          Oh well. Foden to look forward to at least….

        3. FPL_trail_runner
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Loads

          Changed 5min before deadline when i saw he was central

          Good decision bad outcome

          Forest have a record level bad defence based on all stats

          Brighton are top 8 defence.

          Liverpool despite playing poor put up 2 xg

        4. Mirror Man
            3 years, 1 month ago

            letstalkaboutnotmakingourownfpldecisions.com may or may not have done that.

        5. jwong23
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Klopp is such a gracious loser

        6. afsr
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 1 month ago

          Rage transfers incoming
          A - Salah, Solanke -> Fernandes, Toney (-4)
          B - Salah, Solanke -> Rashford, Kane (-4)
          C - Salah, Solanke -> Zaha, Nunez (-4)

          1. Mirror Man
              3 years, 1 month ago

              A), as I reckon that's the worst option and by picking the worst option you in turn make my team better.

              1. afsr
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 1 month ago

                So B then, ok

          2. confused01
            • 15 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            Neco price rise incoming

          3. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
            • 5 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            LIverpool win percentages this season.
            With Thiago= 60%
            Without Thiago= 36%

            Loss percentages this season
            With Thiago= 20%
            Without Thiago= 45%

            The only mid they've got who would get into another top half team.

          4. Ten Hag of Bud
            • 3 Years
            3 years, 1 month ago

            Son & Cancelo to De Bruyne & Trippier... -4?