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Manchester United’s star striker dominated much of the chat among out hot topic posters, as the community looked at rearranging their budgets to accommodate an increasing array of premium forward options.

Sam Allardyce’s first week in charge of Crystal Palace also came under the microscope, and the long-running arguments over the Fantasy Premier League’s transfer market still rumble on.

Our Members tables offer further analysis of attacking assets, particularly those now answering to Big Sam.

Finally, we take a look at those who have a certain Swedish forward to thank for success in our community leagues.

The Hottest Topics

Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s highest Fantasy Premier League Gameweek score of the season on Boxing Day has well and truly cemented the Manchester United talisman’s spot in many Fantasy managers’ teams.

Among those who ensured Zlatan was in place for his 15-point haul at home to Sunderland were those topping our Hall of Fame, according to Top Marx’s analysis of their line ups and transfer moves. There were also plenty of happy Zlatan captainers in our Rough with the Smooth round up of your Gameweek 18 performances.

But with just 10 goals conceded in nine away outings, United’s next visitors, Middlesbrough, may not be so obliging, suggested Conor McGregor in his assessment of the big Swede’s prospects against Aitor Karanka’s resiliant troops.

Ibra’s consistency, with eight goals in his last seven, was among key lessons learned from Gameweek 18. Our hot topic on the latest teachings to take into 2017 also included a look at how Crystal Palace’s new boss Sam Allardyce may affect the Eagles’ pattern of play.

One change for some of the community in 2017 could be a revamped and expensive frontline of Manchester City’s Sergio Aguero, Chelsea striker Diego Costa and Ibrahimovic. Pompeyfan dropped by to launch a discussion on the viability of putting this trio, known as “Kobra”, in place.

Such a move would surely require a sacrifice in midfield, with some considering jettisoning Eden Hazard, according to our hot topic on whether the Belgian is expendable for those who are also investing in Costa.

Harry Kane has certainly found himself surplus to requirements, after missing a penalty in Spurs’ 4-1 victory away to Southampton on Wednesday night. Even a headed goal during that match is not enough to halt his falling stock, argued Champ in his look at lessons to take from the St Mary’s clash.

Swansea City assets are among other players that have found themselves left out in the cold by Fantasy managers, after a disastrous series of results under Bob Bradley, who was duly sacked earlier in the week. But Say Something Significant’s look at the strategies deployed by caretaker boss Alan Curtis, who takes charge of their home tie with Bournemouth this weekend, suggests holding may be the wise move.

With Kane’s value plummeting and Ibrahimovic’s rocketing, the arguments around FPL’s transfer market were in full force once again this week. Dino’s hot topic on the issue, showed how divided the community continues to be on whether price changes are helping or hindering the game.

Finally, Diesel001 revisited some early season questions to reveal that opinion is still mixed on issues such as which Liverpool midfielder to draft in and the best big-hitting striker to rely on.

The Members Tables

With Big Sam at the helm and a stellar set of fixtures on the horizon, interest in Crystal Palace assets is set to pick up in 2017. To help decide on the best Eagles’ attacking options I’ve constructed this table, which is sorted by shots on target.

Attacking assets among all teams come under the microscope of Doosra’s deadly assassins table. This has been one of our most popular tables over the years and should prove particularly useful for those taking advantage of FPL’s second wildcard, which is available from Friday’s 7pm deadline onwards.

If you’re a member and are yet to get to grips with the custom statistics tables, you can view this movie for an explanation of how they work. Also, remember to tag them so that people can find the tables with ease.

The Community Tournaments

Despite seeing Nathan Redmond sent off in his team, Krak Krak continues to top my Millionaires Club. Please note this is only for managers with a rank below the one million mark in Gameweek 12.

Alex Bowers, who is a previous winner of the now defunct Ultimate Fantasy Premier League game, is the new leader of the FFS Moderators and Contributors league as the tussle at the top intensfies.

In TorresMagic‘s Last Man Standing competition, Don Look Back In Wenger hit the top score in Gameweek 18 with 103. There are now 1012 teams qualified after 114 were eliminated when the safety score was set at 51.

With a Gameweek 18 score of 84 Raul Seleccion has consolidated his lead at the summit of Red Lightning’s Top 10k Any Season mini-league and is now into his sixth week within the top 1,000 in the overall rankings.

There is still time to join Red Lightning’s January to May League (code 1441-820), which starts scoring in Gameweek 20. So far 185 teams have entered.

If you are running a community tournament and would like the latest scores included in a future Community Round Up, please email me a brief summary of the current leaders and a link to your league, spreadsheet or head to head competition, at jonty@fantasyfootballscout.co.uk.

J0E Podcaster and writer. Tweets stats and stuff via @FFScout_Joe Follow them on Twitter

  1. Harrybvb
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Iheanacho --> Lukaku
    Lanzini --> De Roon
    Pieters --> Brunt? Ake?

    -8

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Not for -8. Would consider the top two for -4 though. Especially if you propose to just stick with Lukaku for the next 10 weeks.

      1. Harrybvb
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        I need a defender for this week though because Walker and Barragan are suspended and Pieters is playing Chelsea away

        1. diesel001
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 hours ago

          I would play with 10 men tbh. Not massive upside on the defence for a hit.

  2. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Looking forward to the next week of football here in Australia.

    Where to from here lads?

    1ft, 0itb.

    I will save trade this GW and have 1 or 2 to use next?

    Heaton
    Alonso / Cedric / McAuley
    Sanchez / Hazard / Eriksen / Siggy / Lallana
    Ibrahimovic / Defoe

    Pickford / Pieters / Friend / Diamonde

    Looking at getting in Lukaku for Defoe next week fr Siggy to Phillips.

    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Where you from dingo?

      1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Perth, Champ. You? Good win by the baggy today.

        1. THFC4LIFE
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 10 hours ago

          Nice I have family in Perth

    2. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Transfers look good next week. Save.

    3. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Save IMO. But wouldn't be comfortable going without Costa long term

      1. ⚽️ Dingo ⚽️
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        I haven't had him all year and I'm doing well

        1. TokyoRisingSun
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 10 hours ago

          Fair enough

  3. diesel001
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Someone posted this:

    Allardyce's side at Emirates have conceded 26 goals, the most by an opposing manager there in the EPL

    What is the average per game though? Allardyce has played Arsenal a lot so he is going to have a high number of goals conceded.

  4. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    FNF = no FPL interest

    Best place to be is on a plane 🙂

    1. Dreams
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      What is FNF?

      1. THFC4LIFE
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Friday night football

        1. Dreams
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 9 hours ago

          Oh thanks mate

  5. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    At this point in the season am I best off sticking with the front runner captain choice or finding a differential?

    I am about 90 points behind my ML leader - confident I can catch him. I know the people above me will captain Ibra this week. Should I captain Ibra to keep up without risking a further gap, or go with Sanchez - bigger risk, but potentially greater reward...

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Sanchez.

      1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        That's what it's on currently.

    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Ibra for me. Still half a season to go with double GWs, wildcard and chips. Team value will play a part too.

  6. Just Been On Loan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Who to swap Theo out for? 8.6m budget, will be for a -4

    A) Pogba
    B) Alli
    C) Lallana

    Foster / Pickford
    Azpilicueta / Rose / McAuley / Cedric / Amat
    Hazard / WALCOTT / Eriksen / Siggy / Capoue
    Costa / Ibra / Defoe

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Lallana

      1. Just Been On Loan
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Cheers. You think it's worth the -4 this week, with Liverpool against City?

        1. TokyoRisingSun
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 10 hours ago

          Yes. It'll be a long term transfer. City aren't the tightest of defenses anyway

          1. THFC4LIFE
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 10 hours ago

            I fancy Liverpool to give city a hiding

          2. Just Been On Loan
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 10 hours ago

            Makes sense, thanks very much.

            Will likely be making the change, but just thought I could play 4-3-2 with the following, I'm thinking WBA-SOU has 0-0 written all over it... Thoughts? At the moment, I have McAuley benched

            Foster
            Azpilicueta / Rose / McAuley / Cedric
            Hazard / Eriksen / Siggy
            Costa / Ibra / Defoe

  7. youknowho
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Heaton, Pick
    Alonso, Bertrand, Holebas, amat, love
    Sanchez, Hazard, Payet, Siggy, Capoue
    Ibra, Defoe, Origi
    1FT, 0.3ITB

    1. Siggy > Lallana
    2. Payet > Pogba
    3. Payet > Mkhitaryan
    4. Payet > Eriksen
    5. Payet > Alli
    6. Save
    7. Something else (if so, specify)

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      1

    2. Guru Mediation
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 9 hours ago

      6.

  8. Duffo
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Toby to Arsenal/Chelsea defender or save ft?
    Still flagged after his illness

    1. Dreams
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Save. He may be back this week.

    2. BB-8
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Same dilemma. I'm saving I think

    3. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Save

  9. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    bottomed

    play 1 pls

    a. Amat

    b. Holebas

    c. Lovren

    cheers

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      B

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    3. _Gunner
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    4. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      B

    5. 404_FC
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      b

  10. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Play Amat and bench order:
    DeRoon/Friend/Holebas ?
    Am I right ?
    +
    C Costa ?

  11. 404_FC
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    from bottom

    i need a punt this week

    this is my team

    courtois

    alonso valencia vertonghen**

    eriksen sanchez lallana siggy

    origi carroll (C)ibra

    pickford** wally** holebas amat

    1ft 0.1itb

    a) vertonghen + wally for -4 to baines + alli / mirallas (drop origi or siggy ?)
    b) vertonghen + wally for -4 to mori + mkhi (drop origi or siggy ?)
    c) vertonghen + wally for -4 to gabriel + pogba (drop origi or siggy ?)
    d) vertonghen to baines / coleman/ gabriel / jones / blind / vvd
    e) please advice

    thx for ur comments

    1. Moves like Dejagah
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      I quite like C, Pogba a good differential.

    2. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Brunt + Mkhitaryan

  12. Moves like Dejagah
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Good to go for this gameweek? I know I need to make plenty of changes over the next few weeks

    Courtois (Pickford)
    Clyne McAuley A.Smith Alonso (Pieters)
    Siggy Eriksen (c) Rodriguez (Capoue)
    Giroud Costa Kane

  13. Park the bus
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Morning all, keen to get Valdes as have Pickford but no playing sub keeper but would need to do a -4. Should I:

    A) Kane to Costa, Pickford to valdes for -4
    B) just Kane to Costa and get valdes next GW , play with 10
    C) get mannone instead of Valdes

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      B

    2. Werkself
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      C.

  14. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    If Walcott is fit for gw20. Would you prefer ?

    A) Walcott - bou swa BUR WAT che HUL

    B) Lallana- sun mu SWA CHE hul TOT

    1. Moves like Dejagah
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    2. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      He will not play

      1. HurriKane
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        *even after next gw against bourmmouth ?

        1. Emiliano Sala
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 10 hours ago

          He will come back for 14 15 january
          Too much rotation threat
          Welbeck is back and giroud , perez and iwobi and chambo are pushing hard

  15. Werkself
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Bottomed.
    Quick poll - play:

    1. Amat (BOU)
    or
    2. Allen (che)

    Thx all.

    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Allen

    2. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      1

    3. Aubaaaaa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      1.

    4. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Amat

    5. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      1

    6. Phil Dagger ⭐
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      really like Allen but is up against chelsea defence
      Amat could be benched again

      maybe play Amat and Allen first sub

      1. Phil Dagger ⭐
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        or just play Allen
        could get a goal maybe

    7. Werkself
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Thanks to all.

    8. Werkself
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 9 hours ago

      Will go w/ Amat and hope...

      Allen 1st sub.

  16. Cojiro
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Play
    A) Amat (BOU)
    B) Holebas (TOT)

    1. Aubaaaaa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

      1. Cojiro
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Thanks

    2. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

      1. Cojiro
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Thanks

    3. 404_FC
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      b for me

      i think swansea cant keep cs

  17. FCSB
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Best captain for this GW:

    1. Ibrahimovic (MID)
    2. Costa (STO)

    Thanks

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      1

    2. Aubaaaaa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      2.

    3. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      2

    4. Werkself
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 9 hours ago

      2.

  18. King Kohli
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Stuck without a gk and no money to upgrade

    How would you sort this out?

    Pick Jaku
    Walker Alonso Evans Chambers Amat
    Sanchez Hazard Eriksen Siggy Fletcher
    Costa Ibra Origi

    1FT 0 ITB

    A. Play with 10 this week and remove Pickford for free next gw

    B. Remove Siggy even though he has a good fixture and upgrade Pickford (-4)

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      B for sure

    2. Dreams
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    3. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    4. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      A

    5. Sir Edo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Walker and goalkeeper out..

      1. Aubaaaaa
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        I have this in mind too. Can consider man utd defender. Valencia may be a good pick.

        1. Sir Edo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 9 hours ago

          .. or Baines for long term?

  19. bigbudgie
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Weird bug on the FPL app, it doesn't seem to like it when you have exact money to make transfers and says '"you can not afford this player"...

    Anyone noticed that?

    1. Fred54
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Transactions pending that aren't shown on your statement.

      Ask Debbie in accounts to sort it.

  20. bojack
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Can't believe Sanchez is being sold ahead of this run of Arsenal have. Especially with Walcott's fitness in doubt.

    1. Emiliano Sala
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      No everyone
      Don't exaggerate

      1. bojack
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        What?

    2. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Casuals. One blank is all they need.

    3. Fred54
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      I think Aguero funding may be part of it.

      1. bojack
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        Aye fair point.

  21. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Anyone keeping Pickford and just rolling with one GK?

    1. Aubaaaaa
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Me. Currently rolling with Heaton.

    2. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      For now. Heaton would have played this week anyway

      1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        Yep

    3. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      I've been on 1 keeper all season

      Foster

    4. bojack
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 9 hours ago

      Yeah. WBA have nice fixtures upcoming in the main so Foster for me.

  22. Arteta
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    On team news: “I don’t think Kieran Gibbs will be available. Apart from that Mustafi is fit again and we have one or two uncertainties. A few with flu but everybody else should be available. Gibbs has a knee problem and Walcott has a calf problem, short term, I don’t think he will available this week.”

    On Welbeck: "He is fit, he’s sharp, will I play him first with the under 23s I have not decided yet. But he looks good in training."

    1. BB-8
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Shkodran is back 🙂
      Another unbeaten run incoming.

      1. Arteta
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        I'm buying either him or Bellerin today.

        1. BB-8
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 9 hours ago

          Bells is tempting me too

    2. BB-8
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Any idea when the Spurs presser is, Ozil? Stuck with that useless lump Toby.

      1. Arteta
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        Their presser is always the hardest to find. It's usually around 1am when they post short team news on twitter and later an article.

        1. BB-8
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 9 hours ago

          Cheers 🙂

  23. Fred54
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Oh boy this is gonna be a long deadline.

    Yes that's right by day doesn't usually begin until the morning deadline passes. Not sure breakfast can wait till 7PM.

    1. PvA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Mate just pick the person you think will score the most then move on

      1. Fred54
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 hours ago

        LOL. You and I both now how difficult that is.

        I'm currently captaining everyone for 15 minute period just so I can legitimately beat myself when Amat gets a haul this week!

  24. For Fuchs Sake
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Can anyone help me please? Not got a clue what to do with my team, feel like I need an overhaul, especially in defence. 1FT and 0.8m ITB

    Thanks

    Pickford Grant
    Lovren Pieters Holebas Amat McAuley
    Siggy Sanchez Hazard Eriksen Capoue
    Ibra Defoe Benteke

    1. Dreams
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      No need of a overhaul. Sell pieters for Jones or Daniels.

  25. PvA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    GW19 deadline 30/12/16 (Friday)
    GW20 deadline 02/01/17 (Monday)

    Stay woke

  26. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Still concerned about sticking with my guns with Kane this work.
    Praying Costa doesn't smash it tomorrow - main rival has Costa and Ibra but no Hazard. I have Ibra and Kane but Hazard in...

    Unsure what to do.

    1. Moose™
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      I have all of them. Sanchez, Hazard, Zlatan, Kane, Costa. Pls don't blank guys.

  27. Just Been On Loan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Worth a -4 to get rid of Walcott this week?

    I could play 4-3-2, with the following, I'm thinking WBA-SOU has 0-0 written all over it...

    Foster
    Azpilicueta / Rose / McAuley / Cedric
    Hazard / Eriksen / Siggy
    Costa / Ibra / Defoe

    Pickford* / Capoue / Amat / Walcott*

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Play 432. Team looks good for this week.

  28. Kuyt Hero
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Holebas, Amat, Evans. Bench 1?

    1. Evans
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Doormat

  29. Moose™
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    Sanchez-Hazard-Coutinho

    Zlatan-Kane-Costa

    Is this a good combination of attackers if playing 433 formation?

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Possibly. Who's in the back four?

      1. Moose™
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        Foster Jaku

        Alonso Ake Nyom Chambers Amat

        Too weak?

    2. Evans
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 10 hours ago

      Swap hazard for KDB and that would be top dollar !

      1. Moose™
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 9 hours ago

        Ah, good idea. But, need Holgate to be nailed as rotating 4th and 5th with Amat. KdB is not a rotation risk tho?

  30. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 hours ago

    That 5.9m for a defender. Monreal is a no-go? Not seen his name mentioned at all and Gibbs is out as usual.