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Sunday Dugout Discussion – Gameweek 5

23 September 2012 2352 comments
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A huge day of Premier League action sees eight sides do battle, with the ‘Super Sunday’ billing fully justified. The Dugout Discussion opens in time for the first of two televised games – the small matter of Liverpool versus Manchester United.

Despite a lot of the pre-game media attention understandably focusing on events off the field, three points for either side here will be massive. Here’s how the sides line-up…

Liverpool XI: Reina, Kelly, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Allen, Shelvey, Borini, Suarez, Sterling.

Man United XI: Lindegaard, Da Silva, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Giggs, Valencia, Kagawa, Nani, van Persie.

Straight after the game at Anfield, we head over to the Etihad Stadium to see the other Manchester club host Arsenal.

In and amongst those two fixtures, Newcastle United welcome the visit of Norwich City, and Queens Park Rangers take the small journey to their city rivals Tottenham Hotspur.

You can follow all the action from all today’s games in our Dugout Discussion chatroom, which can be accessed right here.

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  1. Lao Tzu
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    It's amazing how many terrible referring decisions favour United. The Premier League just isn't a level playing field when it comes to United. I genuinely think the group of Premier League officials need to carefully consider why they seem to subconsciously favour United season after season, perhaps it's the media bias. Its seems referees are unwilling influenced one way or another.

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      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9258810/Manchester-United-have-cause-for-complaint-as-unique-survey-highlights-Premier-League-errors.html

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      1. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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        +1

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          Evidence v conjecture.

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          1. Lao Tzu
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            You think spinning off some ill-thought out quasi-scientific logic is an immutable argument? you're an idiot, listen to the entire spectrum of fans, it's only the united fans that refuse to accept the blindingly obvious truth, I don't need some idiot rolling out a pathetically ill-conceived survey to prove the contrary. Not least it was published in a disgraceful right wing joke of paper that lives its own screwed up, self-deluded world.

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            1. King Eric, in America
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              What a finely-crafted counter-point. I especially enjoyed your use of fact and statistics to completely nullify the argument made.

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              1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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                Plato - the most ironic username ever seen on this site?

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              2. Lao Tzu
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                There are lies, damned lies and statistics....

                I re-iterate, I don't fancy relying on someone elses perverse little research to prove what I, and I'm certain many fans, instinctively know to be true.

                An individual;s experience is not an inferior argument by the way, its just a lot of idiots reject it in favour of so called evidence..... people like hiding behind statistics and allowing other people to reach conclusions for them. That is what I consider to be ignorance.

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                1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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                  So anecdotal evidence is equal to statistical evidence? OK then, you should be a scientist.

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                  1. Lao Tzu
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                    No, I said it's not inferior, can't you read?

                    Scientific analysis is simply one method of trying to understand something. There are lots of examples of 'bad science' if you will, much like the survey you linked.

                    By the way, seeing as you commented on the username, Plato was a philosopher, not a scientist. Scientist do not have a monopoly on truth, only the ignorant believe that.

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                  2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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                    If it's not inferior, and it's not superior, it is equal, no?

                    Scientists are the only ones who can prove what they suggest, by testing it. Admittedly, that study is not perfect, but it's better than your 'instinct'.

                    Plato was intelligent - hence the irony.

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                  3. Lao Tzu
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                    It's not a question of inferior/superior/equal

                    It was you that said evidence v conjecture, which you purposely did to discredit my point, which I found to be very cheap.

                    Both are relevant. A study usually starts with a hypothesis.

                    You seem to have contradicted yourself. Plato was not a scientist, but you say scientist are the only ones who can prove what they suggest? Then you say Plato is intelligent?

                    I suspect you have not read one iota of Plato.

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            2. Cruicky
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              Better teams have more possession, so more likely to attack, so more likely to be in opposition half. More likely to attack, so be in and around opposing box, which leads to a) more fouls from opposition and b) more penalties.

              Next you'll tell me the refs favour Utd, City, Real, Barca and so on...

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            3. Freshy
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              I dont know what it means
              but
              best reply ever

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            4. 1966 was a great year for E…
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              It's a study, as opposed to foaming at the mouth ranting.

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      2. Kostja
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        nice link to direct conspiracy idiots to

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    2. King Eric, in America
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      You realize United get some of the least decisions, re: PKs, than any of the 'top' teams, right?

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      1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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        You really do bore me

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        1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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          😀

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        2. King Eric, in America
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          Good point, well made. Bravo.

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          1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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            For once you have taken that red devil branded dildo out of your anus and posted something worthy

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            1. King Eric, in America
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              😆 You are a properly twisted little git, now ain't ya'?

              Who do you favor to replace Rogers? Will the 'new manager bump' lift 'Pool out of the relegation zone?

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    3. Captain Shirokov
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      Love this post.

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    4. Malcolm Tucker for England …
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      I believe the words you're looking for are "WAAAAH! We lost and it's not fair"

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    5. OPTA FPL
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      rubbish

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    6. Alan The Llama
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      Because SAF is the king of the wily old foxes. Fair play to him.

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    7. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
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      haha, i think the responses of this post illustrate just how much of a United bias there is on this site 😀 Gloryboy wienerfest right here!

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      1. Mason
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        Or rather how butthurt a Liverpool; fan the OP is?

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    8. Mason
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      Either you are right, or it's a classic case of topdog having spotlight on them, why? because they are the topdog, and thus any error gets highlighted more so than the other dogs.

      Or jelousy.

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  2. Mind över Mata
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Tevez and Lambert -> Berbs and Ba

    Yay/nay?

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    1. The Finnisher
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      If Lambert had played today and Ba yesterday I have a feeling you wouldn't be considering that move.

      Nay.

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    2. Sir_Dunc
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      Keep tevez. Lambert to Ba or Berb is a solid move.

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    3. Chris_White
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      Why the feck would you dump Lambert? Tevez > Berbs makes sense, but not this week.

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    4. beric
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      Nay, did you miss the SOT game yesterday?

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    5. Mind över Mata
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      Lambert looked poor in the first half.

      Granted, the second was good!

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    6. Evans
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      Yay

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  3. Sir_Dunc
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    Good keeper to rotate with Foster?

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    1. Kostja
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      Begovic

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    2. Chris_White
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      Begovic

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    3. Freshy
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      Howard

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  4. The Finnisher
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    Defoe is so selfish..

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    1. beric
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      Makes you want him in your team, don't it

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      1. Epic Fail
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        Yep. I've always thought he would be a good FPL option given a run of games. Not sure how long it will last with Ade sniffing around though.

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        1. beric
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          There are just so many striker options at the moment. Defoe, Ba, Lambert, Fletcher, Berbatov, Jelavic, RVP, Tevez, Kun all seem like great choices.

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          1. itstimmehc
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            13 years, 3 months ago

            Bebe.

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          2. The Finnisher
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            Podolski.

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            1. beric
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              13 years, 3 months ago

              Yup. And Lukaku.

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              1. The Finnisher
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                13 years, 3 months ago

                and we have the least amount of spaces to fit them in 🙁

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Bears shit in the woods...

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      1. The Finnisher
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        😀

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      2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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        i thought the pope shat in the woods

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        1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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          are bears catholic?

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  5. FPLFamily (Lee)
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Impossible to ignore Everton's form and fixtures so Bale & Rangel > Fellaini and Baines seems a no-brainer right? Or should I keep Swans until after their back-to-back favourable home games?

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    1. Cruicky
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      Yep, nice fixtures as well - SOU, wig.

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  6. paddy2345
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    tevez doesnt start 1 game and everyone is shipping him out. and he had champs league during the week

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    1. beric
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      I haven't shipped him out, watch him come on and score.

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      1. paddy2345
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        ya ihoprfully i have him captain. he will start most games like

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    2. Conor Salmon for life
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      MMMMMMUUUUHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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      1. paddy2345
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        u shud be drawing bales bayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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        1. Conor Salmon for life
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          SUURRR ALL THE BALES ARE IN .U SHOULD BE PLOUGHING

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          1. paddy2345
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            13 years, 3 months ago

            abuse loads of believers

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  7. Guinney
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    In a way I'm glad I've on excuse to sell Tevez now, I can make money on him and upgrade a defender to Baines with the spare cash.

    A) Tevez & McCartney/Barnett to Lambert & Baines
    B) Tevez & Hangeland to Fletcher & Baines

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  8. Rafabio
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 3 months ago

    Gervhino's touch cost him a goal there probably...

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  9. The Finnisher
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Ahhh, Ramsey with a lovely ball.
    That's why I don't think I'll have Gervinho, so frustrating.

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  10. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Friedel and zab start?

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    1. Chris_White
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Yes

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    2. beric
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      I think so, definitely Zab

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  11. Freshy
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Ramsey Playing well

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  12. THE BAD
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    ahah my rival (c) Tevez 🙂
    Now that Javi seems a regular in City's lineup, Yaya looks the best player to have as city coverage!

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  13. Home Run Baker
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    • 15 Years
    13 years, 3 months ago

    Good time to tell sell Tevez. I think his price will drop this week, probably twice.

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  14. MJ6987
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Just catching up with the Newcy match...anyone any ideas why Ba is not taking pens? I don't remember him missing any and he seemed to take them last year.

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    1. beric
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      It is thought that the pen was given to Cisse to help him gain confidence. It probably didn't work though.

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  15. Stupendous
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Yea let's get on the Gervinho bus!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. emperikal
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Already on it!

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  16. Bouncebackability
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 3 months ago

    Agger looks bad. It's not the most solid of defences but Coates is pretty cheap..

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    1. Kostja
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      probably rotated with Carra

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  17. In Like Flynn.
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    Now then Mr Bale be good and stick to your defensive duties.

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    1. beric
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Well said ILf, you're Brighton right? Great start!

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      1. In Like Flynn.
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        Fingers crossed Beric. However I wouldn't expect to us to stay overlong in the Prem.

        But it would be nice to have a season or flukey two back in the top flight. Particularly now we have the ground for it.

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    2. Les Bleus
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      +a million

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  18. Bouncebackability
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Touch!

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    1. Chris_White
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      Touché!

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  19. moment
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    Oh Gerv.

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  20. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    LOL at all the Pool fans 😀

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    1. beric
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      It is quite amusing the sniping between Pool/UTD fans on here.

      You should all learn from me and EpicFail.

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        Role models 🙂

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        1. beric
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          I like to think so 😉

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  21. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
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    Halsey looks a fantastic replacement for Howard Webb. Incredible performance for United today.

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    1. F is for
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      Another bitter Liverpool fan? 😉

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    2. Parm
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      • 14 Years
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      LOL

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    3. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      Don't worry. He doesn't do too many Championship games so you'll be fine next season...

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        😀

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    4. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9258810/Manchester-United-have-cause-for-complaint-as-unique-survey-highlights-Premier-League-errors.html

      Assuming you can read...

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      1. Alan The Llama
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 3 months ago

        If you quote the same one article time and time again, I'm presuming there isn't others which support these claims.

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          There are none which disprove them, either.

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          1. Alan The Llama
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            Have you actually read the article. Doesn't sound wholly convincing to me.

            "A conscious effort to side with the referee’s decision was made where possible."

            Yeah, okay.

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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              It's the philosophy that's used in cricket and rugby with Hawkeye - only correcting clear errors.

              Obviously it's not fool-proof, but it is more evidence-based than the 'Utd always get the decisions!!!!!!!!11111' that you see peddled on here.

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      2. Midtable
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        You can make stats say whatever you want

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  22. Les Bleus
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone have the GIF of the lady with sun glasses that points a laser out of it?

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    1. Les Bleus
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      Against Suarez?

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      1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
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        this one? http://www.abload.de/img/safbieberl71cb.gif

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      2. SUPERMAN
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        Someone posted it a few pages back.

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        1. SUPERMAN
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          13 years, 3 months ago

          There is also one below 😉

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      3. Shaps
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 3 months ago

        Its been done about 3 times already today, we don't need it

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    2. Epic Fail
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      http://www.abload.de/img/shesafirinherlazeroer5x.gif

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      1. Les Bleus
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        Thanks 🙂

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  23. garbage1
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone know why vermaelen is out?

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    1. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      Virus

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      1. garbage1
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks

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  24. Henry Hill
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    QPR lad where are you watching the match? My stream is crap

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    1. Parm
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      C'mon you R's, nick a point so Pool are bottom 😀

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    2. QPR Lad 92
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      wiziwig - the fox soccer link

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      1. Crouch Potato!
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        How we looking?

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        1. QPR Lad 92
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 3 months ago

          Decent so far, had a few chances
          Bosingwa pulled a hamstring within 2 minutes though and bought on Dyer O_o

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          1. Crouch Potato!
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            Dyers decent, played a lot of mins in u21s and league cup.

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            1. QPR Lad 92
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              Yeh I guess but he's injury prone too and we haven't got any left on the bench

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  25. Valar(Keith)
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    wth did'nt ba take that peno?

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      • 15 Years
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      At least that gets Cisse out of the running. Should be Ba or Barfa from now. I hope.

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    2. paddy2345
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      cos hes obvioooooooooooooooooooooooulsy shit

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    3. Epic Fail
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Cisse needed a goal for his confidence...

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      1. Conor Salmon for life
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 3 months ago

        CISSE IS OBVIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLSY SHIT

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  26. david ngog
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    Anyone else want to get rid of RVP but too scared?

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    1. SUPERMAN
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Just do it you won't regret it. Rooney back soon and their fixtures are getting tough.
      😉

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      1. david ngog
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        13 years, 3 months ago

        Agree! And he looked poor today, i dont think i'd know what to do with all the money aha!

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    2. Cruicky
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      13 years, 3 months ago

      Maybe when Rooney returns but not now, no.

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    3. moment
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      • 14 Years
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      Earned himself a reprieve today. Otherwise the cheapo guaranteed front 3 beckons. Shipped Torres last week. Tevez may go tonight. RVP stays.

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      1. david ngog
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 3 months ago

        A lucky reprieve apart from the pen he had a stinker..

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  27. ol
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    13 years, 3 months ago

    Just come in to see no Vermaelen - what has happened? Is he injured as he isn';t on the bench even.

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    1. Kostja
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      virus

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  28. Home Run Baker
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    • 15 Years
    13 years, 3 months ago

    Liverpool were last relegated after the 53/54 season. Just saying.

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  29. Rafabio
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    Podolski??!!? WTH...

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  30. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 3 months ago

    Take not Rodgers: "Bringing on Jordan Henderson when trying to win a match is like turning on Loose Women to have a wank."

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 3 months ago

      *note. Funny though.

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      1. Parm
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        • 14 Years
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        Sorry about dat. 😉

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    2. Home Run Baker
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      Works very time 😉

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    3. Mason
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      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Actually saw Loose Women advertised once and had false hopes, knowing it was daytime TV. But it's still not false advertising as they are all blatantly old ugly cougar sluts.

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