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The Stock Check – Monday

10 December 2012 2058 comments
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A Hugo Rodallega header earns Martin Jol’s side the points and condemns Newcastle to their fifth defeat in six games. Here’s the Stock Check on Monday night’s events…

On the Up

Damien Duff
A brace of assists took the reliable winger to five for the season and made Duff Fulham’s leading Fantasy Premier League points scorer. Duff has been rotated in and out of Martin Jol’s lineup of late but demonstrated his worth and even hinted that, if the Cottagers can get back to goalscoring ways long term, he could present an option, particularly from Gameweeks 19-22 when Fulham face three favourable home fixtures in four.

Steve Sidwell
Another unsung hero in the Fulham ranks, Sidwell was a tireless performer and capped his display with a fourth goal of the season: a strong return for a 5.1 FPL midfielder. Having started the last six, his place seems secure and, like Duff, he could well present a differential for Fulham’s kind schedule from Boxing Day onwards.

Hatem Ben Arfa
The mercurial Frenchman made his return to the Newcastle lineup and reminded of his talents with an equalising goal: his first strike in the league since Gameweek 3. Investment in Ben Arfa looks unlikely given Newcastle’s evil schedule but he’ll be a player expected to enjoy an upturn in 2013 and could yet come into the equation before the season ends.

Going Down

Dimitar Berbatov
The Bulgarian oozed class and was central to Fulham’s attacking ploys throughout; he also had opportunities to notch but the fact remains that Berbatov has now blanked in his last five league outings. With no goal, assist or bonus coming his way since his superb Gameweek 11 performance at the Emirates, it seems likely we’ll see continued sales. His price has dropped from 7.6 to 7.4 in the past two Gameweeks and the fidgeting and steady decline in ownership is likely to continue. Those that hold will be looking beyond the next two away matches and hoping for a change in fortune and, more significantly, a speedy return for Bryan Ruiz as Berbatov’s foil.

The Newcastle Defence
Despite the return of Fabricio Coloccini, Alan Pardew’s back four continued to leak goals: their only clean sheet in the last eleven matches has come against a Wigan side with 10-men for the majority of the match. Away from home, the Magpies have conceded twice in their last three trips. With Man City, United and Arsenal in their next four fixtures, it seems most unlikely that we’ll see an immediate turnaround in fortune.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Imagine if Rooney was classified as a midfielder....

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      He'd be OOP

      😯

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      1. Parm
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Not really, he'd just join the 'in the hole' crew.

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    2. gravless
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      OK , what next?

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      1. Parm
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        You grab some tissues....

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  2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    12 points to come from Mignolet and Cuellar

    Fingers crossed 😐

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  3. Ryan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Which games are more likely to be cancelled if bad weather is an issue due to the beast from the east?

    NEW vs mci
    QPR vs ful
    LIV vs avl

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    1. FPL Emu
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      My season is over if the latter is canceled.

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    2. Parm
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Every Premier League stadium has under-soil heating, the only reason a game is likely to be called off is due to the conditions ouside the stadium. Fan safety and all that.

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      1. Ryan
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        For sure. So which game is more likely to be cancelled? This could be based on quantity of past cancellations for whether related reasons.

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        1. Ryan
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Weather*

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          1. Parm
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Of them all, Newcastle is the coldest and most hazardous to the cold weather, but I wouldn't expect any to be called off.

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  4. xxxiang
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    guys fletcher to?
    4.5 in bank
    have
    mata fellaini sterling snodgrass michu
    rvp suarez

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Adebayor

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    2. FPL Emu
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Obviously not Adebayor (troll?). I'd possibly get Rooney.

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      1. gravless
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Why 'obviously not Adebayor' ?

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        1. Phoenix Wright
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Racism is a widespread problem of this world.

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          1. gravless
            • 14 Years
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            Racists should be banned from here.

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  5. Somalion
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Any Criminal Law specialists in here? Have a Law module assignment that is an absolute b*tch. If not then ignore, just me rambling away 😀

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      i wish my mate was here to help ya, he specialises in all taht and training to become a solicitor, useless as he isn' here, now i'm rambling lol.

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      1. Somalion
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ah well, shame he's not here but nothing that can be done 😀

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    2. Bad Seed
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      try me

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      1. Somalion
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Still here? I only saw this now.
        Two friends, Nigel and Francis, are out clay pigeon shooting with handguns and their friend Aidan has tagged along as well. After Francis fails to match Nigel’s performance in hitting targets, Nigel says “hard luck buddy.” Francis reacts sharply to this, proclaiming his advanced shooting skills. Nigel responds: “sure you couldn’t kill someone with a gun even if you wanted to because you’re such a bad shot.” Francis reacts to this by shooting his gun in the direction of Nigel but aimed over Nigel’s head. Nigel instantly jumps to the ground, rolls over and fires back at Francis. The bullet does not hit Francis, it flies past him and hits Aidan. Nigel and Francis realise what has happened and run over to Aidan. They see that he is bleeding from the chest and in tremendous pain. They decide to bring Aidan to a hospital and proceed to carry him to Nigel’s car. As they pick him up, Nigel criticises Francis’s way of carrying him. Again Francis reacts sharply, taking this as an insult, and says to Nigel “you can carry him by yourself so” and runs off. Nigel half carries, half drags Aidan to his car. He drops him a couple of times on the way and, seeing that Aidan is losing consciousness, makes a quick attempt to perform CPR, by pumping Aidan’s chest, as he had seen on television. Nigel also accidentally bangs the car door against Aidan’s head when closing it after he had put him in the back seat. Nigel drives to a hospital where Aidan is given urgent attention and, despite the doctors’ best efforts, dies a short time later. The medical evidence is that Aidan’s lung had been pierced by the bullet and he had been haemorrhaging internally; rough treatment – and especially pumping of the chest – would have continued and exacerbated the internal bleeding that otherwise would not necessarily have been fatal.

        I'm currently thinking that Nigel is guilty of involuntary manslaughter while Francis would be guilty of manslaughter via negligence because he willingly entered in to a role of care for Aidan and then chose not to fulfil his role leading to Aidan being dragged on the ground which, while not a primary cause of death, was a cause of death.

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        1. RoysCallerAnne
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          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          hmmmm, I'm not sure.

          On another note, I hope John O'Shea accidentally shoots Steven Fletcher in the big toe while aiming at a clay pidgeon.

          Hello....Rafael 9 points!

          BTW, sorry for hijacking your post

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          1. Somalion
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Well, it was an exceptionally long post and I expected someone to hijack it, might as well have been you Roy 😀

            I'd also rather that such a case does not happen as I would really like a Fletcher goal before I sell him!

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            1. RoysCallerAnne
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              • 15 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              😆

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        2. Bad Seed
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          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          yes, still here. when francis aims over nigel's head and hits aidan, the 'doctrine of transferred malice' applies so that the mens rea of shooting at nigel applies to the actus reus of ending up shooting aidan. i'll read the rest now.

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          1. Bad Seed
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            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            then when nigel carries aidan and later bangs his head against the door, you need to consider whether dropping aidan is a 'novus actus interveniens': an intervening act which means francis, who caused the initial injury, is not responsible for those later injuries caused by the intervening acts of nigel.

            so essentially this problem is about: (1) doctrine of transferred malice; (2) novus actus interveniens; and (3) causation - as you say, while not a primary cause of death, a cause of death.

            gross negligence manslaughter is not an issue. this is drunken legal advice, so heed it at your peril (but i think i'm right)

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            1. Somalion
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Well it's very much appreciated Pippo, thank you very much 😀

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              1. Bad Seed
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                • 15 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                my pleasure: i think i've botched the facts, but the legal principles i mention are the ones this problem is about

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                1. Somalion
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  I think you're bang on with the principles, I've been primarily concerning myself with them in my answer so I'm very happy that I seem to have understood some of what is going on!

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          2. Bad Seed
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            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            sorry i mean when nigel fires back at francis and hits aidan for the doctrine of transferred malice.

            and you also need to look at the case of 'gnango' which is about firing back at someone who is firing at you

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            1. Somalion
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Have already looked at Gnango too, I think that was slightly different because both defendants knew that a shoot out would occur and accepted it (a joint enterprise.) The reason I suggest gross negligence is only because Francis voluntarily takes a role of caring for Aidan and then chooses not to fulfil his obligation. As a result of that there is damage done to Aidan by the rough treatment of being dragged and dropped on the ground (as you say could be a novus actus interveniens) because Francis is not there to help carry him. Really appreciate the help 😀

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              1. Bad Seed
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                ah yes i see what you mean: the case on that (voluntarily taking a role etc.) is Evans, which i'm sure you know about.

                you seem to be on the right track. this problem is certainly a bitch. lots of tricky points in there.

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                1. Bad Seed
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                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  not evans: it's that weird case about the woman who rots in her bed while the simpleton relatives don't care for her after taking responsibility for caring for her - ach, i give up, too many pints...

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                  1. Bad Seed
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 1 month ago

                    stone and dobinson, that's the one!

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                  2. Somalion
                    • 16 Years
                    13 years, 1 month ago

                    Was just about to reply with Stone and Dobinson, the pints haven't hit you too hard 😀

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                2. Somalion
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Excellent! Yep, it's worth 50% of my module marks so he definitely decided to make it tricky 😀 I can't say thanks enough Pippo mate, I really needed someone with a better knowledge of it than mine to cast an eye over it because it was doing my head in.

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                  1. Bad Seed
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                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 1 month ago

                    no problem mate. if i was sober could've done it properly but glad to be of use x

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          3. da Beeeez
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            i know nothing of UK laws. but would transferred malice apply (to Francis) if Francis was aiming over Nigel's head? he wasn't shooting at him, right?

            and, does the nonsense of Nigel telling him that he couldn't kill because he's a bad shot have any significance? if Nigel believed that, he wasn't firing back at someone shooting "at" him, but rather at someone who was shooting "not at" him. or is this where Nigel's comment comes into play, as might one argue that Francis became more dangerous when he was aiming above him (since he is such a bad shot)? (to tie all of this into FFS, if Bobby Zamora were to aim at Row Z when shooting, should the goalkeeper be more ready to make a save than when he is aiming at the goal???)

            as a result, does the transferred malice/intent apply to Nigel, who was shooting with the intent of hitting Francis but ends up hitting poor Aidan. wrong place, wrong time.

            and, yes, surely there is something significant in Francis starting to help, and then stopping. bad Francis.

            but, is there is a doctrine that makes the shooter responsible for these subsequent acts? it's not like he shot him and then something completely unrelated happened such as Aidan being eaten by bear. while the CPR treatment becomes a significant cause, nothing indicates that it was error to take that step. it all gets doubly or more murky since it involves the same actors, but even if someone completely new had arrived to make the hospital run and deliver the CPR, but bottom line is none of that happens without the shooting in the first place.

            again, i know nothing about any of this. good luck.

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        3. Zilla42
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          You are on the right track. Perhaps not the correct answer just yet, but you have spotted the correct issues, as I see it: "duty" and "causation". Of course, spotting the correct issues are the first step to getting to the correct answers.

          I practice in the US, but our law is adopted from English common law. So, perhaps these ideas may be relevant:

          1) Over here, medical malpractice is not an intervening or superceding cause. If you inflict the injury, you are not excused from the end result by virtue of bad care. If someone else botches the rescue efforts, that is not a defense. Here, malpractice is deemed foreseeable. So, should you consider whether BOTH Francis and Nigel were criminally negligent in the first instance for the reckless gun play that resulted in Aiden's fatal wound?

          2) Were Francis and Nigel acting in concert in their reckless gun play? For example, when two people at a traffic light decide to race their cars down the street and one of the cars loses control and runs over a pram full of quadruplets, BOTH drivers can be found criminally liable. They were breaking the law together. It is not a defense to say, "We decided to race, but it is his fault for losing control and hitting the kids." Remember, Francis fired the first reckless shot. It is completely irrelevant that Francis missed. Rule number one: Nothing good is ever going to happen when you shoot a gun AT someone. You have a legal duty not to shoot your gun at people (unless it is legally justified; ie, self defense). So, in this instance, should you consider where Francis and Nigel were shooting and whether they were breaking the law when they decided to have their armed pissing contest? Perhaps it may be worth considering an "acting in concert" theory resulting in injury.

          3) In the US, there is no duty to rescue anyone -- ever. But, if you do start to help or resuce, you have to act as a "prudent person in the same or similar circumstances". It's an objective standard ("prudent person"), not a subjective standard. If you CAN'T get Francis on the original event -- the guy fired the first shot and got the chain of events going -- then you can start to look at the fact that he abandoned Aiden. This, however, is a potential trap that your law professor may have set for you as it may be a bit of a stretch. In the end, Francis may be guilty of being a first class as$hole for ditching his friend, but he didn't cause any additional injury.

          4) Causation: Look at the fact pattern and pinpoint exactly what the injury was that caused Aiden's death. Then, look at the mechanism of injury. Then look at who caused the mechanism of injury. For example, it appears that banging Aiden's head on the door is a red herring. Obviously, don't go down that road UNLESS there is medical evidence in the fact pattern that supports the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. Nigel's good faith efforts to CPR his dying buddy may also be a red herring. The "prudent person"/Nigel is not a doctor and the fact pattern does not suggest that he would have any way of knowing that the internal injuries were being exacerbated by CPR efforts. Also, as a practical matter, a jury would probably be sympathetic to Nigel because he was trying "so hard to save his friend's life" (says the defense lawyer -- as Nigel sobs, head in hand at counsel table).

          Those are just some thoughts. Good luck to you.

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          1. Zilla42
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Of course, go with what Pippo has to say. He's citing to authority.

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          2. RoysCallerAnne
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Wow. That's amazing Zilla.
            I hope Somalion is still awake!
            Good on you for helping out (and on a fantasy football site!)

            I will pass it on to Somalion if he misses it.

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            1. Somalion
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Still am, cheers for looking out for me Roy 😀

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          3. Somalion
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Major 😆 at the defense lawyer, Nigel sobbing part.

            Thank you so very much for this, this is an excellent analysis you've whipped up in a lot less time than it took me to get anywhere near as good! I'm very happy that a number of points you've mentioned here are things that I've covered in my answer so it means I'm at least on the right track. I'll be bookmarking this entire discussion for tomorrow to polish it off! I really really appreciate this, thank you for the help!

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            1. Zilla42
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              No worries, dude. Over here we rarely use any of the blah blah latin terms and, of course, I have no idea of your controlling case authority, but I am glad you found my ramblings helpful.

              Keep up the good work.

              Now, I have a quick RMT to annoy you . . . .

              🙂

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              1. da Beeeez
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                yes, the latin needs to go...

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                1. Zilla42
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Plain speaking never hurt anyone.

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              2. Somalion
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                Ha if you wish of course I'd be happy to help 😀

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                1. Somalion
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Except it is just about 2:30 now so I gotta get some sleep, make sure to save that annoying RMT for me and get me when I'm next on 😀

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                2. Zilla42
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  I was just being a smartas$. I thought I could make your head explode by mentioning a RTM as you are certainly working on more important things . . .

                  Of course, that is not to suggest FFL is unimportant. To the contrary, I was preparing for trial a couple of weeks ago and had my client in the offifce on a saturday morning getting ready for his direct examination. My client never caught on that each time I left the conference room to "get some documents" from my office, I was checking match scores to see how my FFL team was doing. When I shouted "f-ing Berbatov", he just thought I was yelling about some lawyer.

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  6. isacki: full casual
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    OK I think there's a new approach worth punting on til the January WC (and beyond if you dare, but these fixtures particularly suit it). If your team is reasonably template the transfers might be doable.

    Proposal: Play 4 at the back til GW21. 3 are from MUN (Rafael/Evans), ARS (Gibbs/Sagna/Mert) and LIV (Johnson/Enrique/Skrtel) - the fourth can be EVE (Baines) or MCI (Nastasic) depending on budget - their fixtures are similar. Lots of attacking defenders with strong CS chances - I'll go through the fixtures below.

    How do you afford this? Because you play a front 6 instead of a front 7. The easiest way is to downgrade to the excellent options of Sterling and Puncheon as 4th and 5th midfielders.

    Applying it to my squad, if I did Bardsley > Johnson and Sess > Bale I could play each week:

    Begovic/Foster
    Johnson Evans Sagna Baines
    Bale Fellaini Michu Sterling* Puncheon*
    RVP Suarez Lambert*

    * = Choose 1 of 3.

    My 4 defenders then have the following fixtures from GW17 to GW21:

    GW17 AVL SUN rdg sto
    GW18 wig FUL swa whm
    GW19 WHM NEW WIG sto
    GW20 WBA NEW qpr CHE
    GW21 SUN wig sot new

    So you can play RVP, Suarez, the two OOP goalscoring machines Michu and Fellaini, a heavy hitter mid of your choice such as Bale, and four elite defenders with some of the best fixtures of the season and considerable attacking points.

    Just throwing it out there.

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    1. FPL Emu
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I'm expecting you intend this for people with wildcards?

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      1. FPL Emu
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ah, sorry, saw your comment on template etc now. If I were to follow such a strategy, I would get defenders I more or less knew would play. Evans is challenged by Vida during Christmas, Nas by Lescott/Toure, Sagna by Jenkinson. All of those will give away at least one game, I expect, if not more.

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        1. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah if I could start over I might have gone Gibbs/Mert, Vidic or possibly even Rafael. Security is important.

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      2. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Virtually all of us have michu or Fellaini, perhaps most both. Most of us have Sterling. Most have one heavy hitter. You'd just need to downgrade one mid to puncheon. The defenders - loads jumped on the Liverpool defender bandwagon already, loads have Rafael. Two or three transfers for most I think. I'll need two.

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    2. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Attacking mids and forwards score more than defenders. End of.
      Sorry, don't mean to be trite. Good post.

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Haha, fair point, over the season. Chris Glover has coveted a strong trend of cs increasing in the mid season. Over that period I would not be surprised if it's the opposite. Plus, that's why I suggest just milking these good fixtures. You can win in the short term. Then WC.

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        1. RoysCallerAnne
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I will continue to play 3 at the back. 2 from "big" teams, to cover the increase in winter CS from the "big" teams. 1 other from a Stoke, WH, Fulham etc, etc.

          Seriously though it's a well thought out strategy. You do post good things on here, well outside the normal RMT, transfer opinion stuff.

          Bravo, keep it up!

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          1. isacki: full casual
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Cheers, your plan is sound too, the main thing that would spoil this is two massive heavy hitter mids on form at the same time.

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      2. HVT
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        I'm still slightly annoyed at the other night , I read back text following morning and even though I Clearly apologised Initially if I was in the wrong and then after some clarification from Berbilly and Heartsattack and after posting what I was actually seeing - i then apologised again ,
        But you still went on to pontificate that I should be careful before I made accusations of double indemnity , I accept I got it wrong due to a poor 3G connection but I felt your final post cut me no slack even after I proved what I was seeing And tbh I was dissapointed with it, at one stage I was accused of being weird and smokin pot - that was a slang on my character to which I didn't deserve to which I shouldn't have implied yours to be flawed as being disingenuous in regard to double indemnity.

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        1. RoysCallerAnne
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Chill out HVT. The posts were flying about at seriously fast pace.
          I know you apoligised and I accepted it.
          It wasn't my final post.
          My final post was that everything was cool.
          You shopuldn't be dragging it all up again imo.

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          1. RoysCallerAnne
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Ps I'm off to feed the baby, if I don't reply for the next few minutes

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            1. HVT
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              No worries look after that little darling - these moments are precious , I have 4 myself and they make my world - night Roy, talk soon.

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              1. RoysCallerAnne
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                • 15 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                I'm back!
                3 here, so we're busy dads!
                Seriously HVT, we'll put it behind us. I apologise for the "weird" and smoking pot comments. It's just it was so random and out of the blue (that I would have dual/ or fake accounts on here) I reacted a little badly because (I hope) I've built up a decent reputation on here over 3 years and didn't want it sullied in any way.
                Anyway...cheers

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                1. King Eric, in America
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  You're one of my favorites, RCA -- intelligent, agreeable, endlessly patient, and diplomatic.

                  I can barely believe you're a 'Poolie 😉

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                  1. RoysCallerAnne
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 1 month ago

                    ONE of your favourites? 😉 Thanks, very kind of you!

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                2. HVT
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                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Yea the whole thing was Freaky ! - liked your link from lord of the rings or was that in like Flynn !!!!!!
                  , lol !!
                  confused totally at this stage 🙂
                  off to bed to make No 5 😉

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    3. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I think a 4 at the back is a good tactic because its at this time of year clean sheets start to become more frequent. I don't have an expensive back line so even though I consider my team as a classic template it would be too difficult to get in those big hitting defenders.

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah fair enough. The uber strategy has a good record.

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    4. Parm
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      A very good idea, but I have 4 'budget' defenders atm, so not for me! 😀 😉

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      1. Ryan
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Same, the better template defence is the budget one.

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        1. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Allows you to have 2 of Bale/Silva/Caz/Theo/Mata with Michu and Fellaini.

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      2. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        That's the opposite strategy and I think it's historically worked very well last year and before? One major thing pushing me away from that is that fellaini and michu are so cheap. The cash isn't so important.

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    5. Mílanista
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/11/26/the-digest-gameweek-13/comment-page-6/#comment-4421981

      Suggested this weeks ago. Unfortunately, its not really worked out so far...

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        cor, deja vu! These things repeat! 😀

        Hmmm... good to hear about the pitfalls.

        Go on, break down how it's gone wrong at the back. I guess I better know!

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          GW14: Kolarov doesn't start despite Clichy's injury, City get a CS. Baines comes close to loads of points but gets 1. Rafael gets a CS. Wisdom gets injured/dropped.

          GW15: Kolarov lasts 6 minutes before getting injured, Nastasic doesn't play, Rafael gets -1. Thank god for Baines

          GW16: Nasty and Baines get a point each, Kolarov is injured. Rafael with 9 points is on my bench because he had City away and bloody Shorey had a DGW.

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          1. Mílanista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            The Kolarov part is obviously a risk but by having a strong defence, you can allow for someone to come off the bench because it will be an attacking player of another decent defender, not some 4m shitter away to City/Utd etc.

            Then, when the greatest LB in FPL gets his games over the Xmas rotation and City's easy fixtures you hope for a nice double digit score.

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            1. isacki: full casual
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Lord, that last week is horrifying.

              Yeah because defenders don't sub on often they're much more likely just to get autosubbed off. So you can take a little risk, Kolarov is possibly ok.

              Hmmm. I need to know if evans will continue. I think Baines Johnson Evans sagna is solid enough.

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    6. Porkmeat
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Who's the most secure from Manchester United back line?

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Most secure looks like Rafael actually, but admittedly we're not talking 100%, absolutely, nailed on.

        At least in the 10-20% of the time defenders get rested, they are rarely subbed on, so you get tha substitute off the bench.

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      2. Pau
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        evra imo

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    7. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Surprised you aren't considering Spurs defence with their fixtures. Vertonghen/Walker/Caulker are options and similarly priced to these guys. Caulker could be a bargain too like Sagna.

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Caulker is very well priced but I just don't trust them to deliver the CS with 2 in 15 or something. There's also uncertainty over that backline with BAE due to return, gallas hanging around like a bad smell etc. AVB is not a man I trust to do shutouts, for sure.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Baines is 1/2m more than any of these guys and he's kept 2 CS all year. I'd trust Spurs more with their fixtures to deliver CS. They've shown signs of tightening up lately imo.

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          1. isacki: full casual
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Neville this very night ran through an analysis of spurs' problems at the back - positioning, concentration... it was a bit of a catalogue of errors. If I could count on attacking returns from an attacking player such as vertonghen then I wouldn't completely rule it out, but it looks pretty unreliable both going back and forward.

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            1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              going back? Going forward I think fixture-wise they're hard to ignore. I know he did an analysis on it but that doesn't mean they're hopeless and will never keep CS in the future. They just kept Fulham out and were it not for a comical Bale OG they would have kept Pool out. And Everton only beat them by a smash and grab right at the end. I think their tendency to concede late goals has been their flaw. But that to me is something they can overcome. I'm considering them anyway.

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  7. @FPLStrategist
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Ba and Wallcot to Rooney and Snodgrass would give me...

    Federici
    Enrique Nelsen Huth
    Michu Snodgrass Felliani Cazorla
    Rooney RVP Suarez
    subs: Mignolet, Clyne, puncheon, Cuellar

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    1. FPL Emu
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I'd hold off with Walcott to see, and I'd keep Ba, honestly. Rather use transfer for a viable keeper.

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    2. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Nice.

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  8. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    10.8m to spend on a midfielder.. I'm tempted by Walcott given Arsenal's fixtures and know if he plays he has a good chance of running riot.. Silva and Cazorla are both looking at me too, and also maybe Bale if he is fit to play. Any realistic suggestions, guys?

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    1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Dempsey and Gerrard might make nice differentials. Both have some nice fixtures in the next 5 games and are starting to score or assist too.

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      1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ahh Dempsey, yes.. Thanks for the heads up, had forgotten about him 😀 I think I'll leave Gerrard as I already have Suarez and Sterling though.

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  9. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Whassup Deadzoners!

    I'm going to lose my h2h this week by one point because opponent is likely to get Rafael off the bench if Fletcher doesn't play tomorrow. I'm currently leading by 8 points but if he gets Rafael off the bench then he wins by a point. We both have Sess(C) to come and I'm assuming Morrison won't play so expect no points from him. I'm gutted I left Rafael on the bench myself. Is there any chance at all that Fletcher might play? MON might be desperate and play him as he wants to save his job, well that's what I'm hoping.

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    1. Phoenix Wright
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Fletcher may play. There is hope...

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      1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        I'll take him coming on with 1 minute to go if possible 😉

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    2. Live4pool
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      am i your opponent?

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      1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        lol...no but very similar to my opponent's

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  10. Release The Ox
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    What s Suarez NTI looking like. its been showing as 0 for me all day. when is he due to rise? Want to pull the trigger on Fletch ->Suarez

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  11. Royal5
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Has overall been updated?

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      aye

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      1. Royal5
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ah 2 points didn't change a lot then 😛

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        1. Chris_White
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          nah, ba and berbs blanks worked a treat 😉

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          1. Royal5
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            All up to Cuellar an Sess to save my miserable 50 point game week.. 😀

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            1. Chris_White
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Yeah dunno if I hope Fletcher will start or not, got Cameron off the bench if not. Cuellar header, i will take that! 🙂

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              1. Royal5
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                I'm expecting 3 new points, anything more would be a bonus!

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                1. Chris_White
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 1 month ago

                  Haha I think they will win, 2-1 is my guess. Sess will contribute to that, I am sure 😉

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  12. top556677
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Bale is about to drop in price tonight but lambert doesn't have a gameweek.

    Who is priority to ship? (have 3m in bank)

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      lamb

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Lambert. I'm sure Bale will rise again in due course.

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  13. Salah’s Sonnet
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    anyone think baines might keep a few clean sheets in evertons upcoming fixtures? im thinking of getting rid tonight for sagna to fund fletcher to rooney.

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      im thinking baines & pienaar > caulker & bale (if bale is declared fit)

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        yeah thats kinda simalr to me, as im also thinking of doing baines to sagna and sterling to bale, but then im stuck with fletcher, think i might hold off bale, for ever gw he's scored nothing, i had him, for every gw he scored points, i didnt have him, i should sacrifice him on that alone haha.

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        1. Chris_White
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Haha yeah those transfers look good. I might just downgrade Fletch to a cheapie and play 4 at the back until the January WC

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          1. Salah’s Sonnet
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            thats quite a good idea, i may play about with that idea, i can always get bale and baines back with january wildcard anyhow i guess 🙂

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  14. ccc
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    I have 10m to replace Berbatov. I think he looked good tonight, but it is hard to ignore his strong of blanks and more price drops. The only replacement I can think of is Defoe, but I'm not overly excited about that transfer. Any advice?

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Torres after next week

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        ^^^ This, grudgingly.

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    2. ccc
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Oh I have Ba. I'd feel nervous about Torres. I want to see more out of him before I bring him in.

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Nailed on striker, never rotated, on fire. 😉

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        1. Chris_White
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Torres with a weekly .3 rise

          That would be something... 😀

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        2. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I'd hate to have both Suarez and Torres in my team. Way too much room for dissapointment

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          1. Chris_White
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            But some level of excitement... 😉

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          2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            You can only own one if you have RVP really.

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            1. Ryan
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              No not necessarily

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    3. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I am staying away from both Defoe and Adebayor. With Bale back and Dempsey hitting form, I think we will see some rotation...

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      1. Royal5
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        ^^ This. Wait for Bale or go Dempsey for Spurs cover imo. Dempsey has scored or assisted in his last 4 games and starting to look very good.

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    4. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Keep Berbs. I have a budget of 10.5m and I'm considering Suarez. Thats a much better reason to sell Berbatov. Defoe will be rotated during the busy xmas schedule.

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  15. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Baa!!

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      🙁

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        All will become sheep, give it time 😉

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    2. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Dad?

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  16. Title20
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    whats the deal with gorkss, going to play tomorrow? (please say no..)

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Ok, no 🙂

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    2. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I think Pearce will

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    3. Drogo
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I'm curious about the same!

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    4. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Not been even on the bench the last games. So I would say no..

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  17. Drogo
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Any news about Readings squad against Sunderland tomorrow? Saw on their official twitter page that the squad had boarded the plane to Sunderland. I badly don't want to se Gorkss playing, I got Clyne 10 points on my bench!

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    1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Looking very likely with Morrison seemingly out. Sorry.

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  18. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    My defence is a bit of mess at the moment. Morrison and Enrique injured, Clyne blank and Demel not certain of playing 90 minutes. I have 2.2M in the bank but am setting that aside to get in Bale for Sessegnon, once he's fit again, so I'm looking to transfer out one of my 4M cheapies. Best 4M cheapie at the moment? Looking at Nelsen or Davies as both have decent attacking potential, as not expecting much in terms of clean sheets.

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Davies the better option long term, but Nelsen has better fixtures until January WC...

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      1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, that's my feeling too. But Nelsen does seem to get on the end of a fair few set-pieces and after scoring this GW might get into the habit of scoring a few. Davies looks the more consistent threat I agree.

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        1. Chris_White
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I agree. It really is a coinflip, go with your gut 😉

          The only thing I know is that I am getting Davies in my January WC!

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          1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Would love to have a WC right now 😉

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            1. Chris_White
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              What I wouldnt give... 😀

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  19. Waitakere_
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts please 😀

    Bego / Ruddy
    Enrique / Baines / B.Jones / Shorey / Cuellar
    Bale / Walcott / Fellani / Puncheon / Sterling
    Suarez / Rvp / Ba

    1ft 0.8
    Thanks 😀

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    1. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      A man with one watch knows what time it is; a man with two watches is never quite sure.

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      1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        A man with no watch doesn't give a hoot

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      2. Waitakere_
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ok thanks. Great advice 😉

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    2. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Maybe get in Defoe for Ba as Spurs have nice fixtures in the next 5 and Toon have City, United, Arsenal and Everton in the next 5.

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      1. Waitakere_
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        I think I have more worries than getting rid of Ba, namely getting 11 players for next week. Walcott out?

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        1. Captain Berbarossa - arrrrr…
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Fair enough. How about Walcott to Dempsey or maybe for Bale, if you don't like having two Spurs mid in your team. Dempsey's form has been bubbling nicely and might be ready to explode and has the fixtures coming up too.

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    3. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Get Holt and ditch BAAAaaaaaaa

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  20. Salah’s Sonnet
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    A OR B please guys? first one to five i will most likely go with.

    A) Baines & Sterling >> Sagna & Bale

    B) Baines & Fletcher >> Sagna & Rooney (Have got RVP also)

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      B

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    2. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      b) although I don't like either option 3 solid players up front is priority

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        how come you no likey either? just curious haha.

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        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Not a fan of doubling up on Rooney and RVP and I'm not a fan of having Fletcher in the team and not having an easy midfield bench option

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        2. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          I see you have HRK, consider upgrading him instead.

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          1. Salah’s Sonnet
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            cool, im not massive on the idea of doubling up, but gotta admit a rooney and rvp combo is darn tasty for points 🙂

            yeah could upgrade HRK, shall have a think about it.

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    3. King Eric, in America
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      B, as Rooney is more likely to play more during the festive fixtures.

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    4. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Keep the only defender who has pens and corners + due a big score.

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        true, and i love havin baines in my team, just my patience is growing thin, whilst one week of sagna and rooney could potentially kill a baines haul altogether.

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        1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          On your head gl

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          1. Salah’s Sonnet
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            yeah, i may have to rethink this 🙂

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  21. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Ditch ba for Holt

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      why?

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      1. Waitakere_
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        yes, why?

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        1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Because you are getting an striker from one of the most improved teams this season at a bargain_and fixtures do not matter to those guys.

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          1. Ryan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            You might be onto something there. I'd still be wary of the fixtures though.

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    2. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      RVP to Chamakh, imo.

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  22. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Right, almost time for bed, but before I do, maybe a little time to play with my balls...

    Footballs.

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    1. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      If you don't have a fanclub already Ronh, I'm willing to start it up.
      Membership badge with "number 1 fan".

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  23. Portuguese&Proud
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Sessegnon -FT-> Snodgrass (for next 2 GW's)
    if you do not agree who would you suggest? max7,6M

    Jaask, Bego
    Cameron, J.Enrique, Sagna, B.Jones, Shorey
    Bale, Fellaini, Michu, Taarabt, Sessegnon
    RVP, Tevez, Suarez

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  24. Cantona90
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Thinking of doing Ba>Rooney to give me a front three of RVP Rooney Berb.

    To afford this would need to downgrade someone, probably Sess. This would leave me £6.3m to get a midfielder in? Whos best in that bracket considering fixtures?

    And does anyone this its too much of a risk to do RVP Rooney rather than RVP Suarez?

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    1. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      downgrade Baines, get Suarez, Rooney, or Aguero

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      1. Cantona90
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Really don't want to downgrade Baines.

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    2. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      The obvious thing is to only have Roon because he is the man who will score you most Utd points.

      This is proven over games played and points scored_In fact he Sir Perc was lucky to score in the dying secs. yet again. RVP is not essential.

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      1. OPTA FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        -57
        RVP is still scoring points as a machine
        Best is having both

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        1. Cantona90
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Agree. But instead of Rooney could get Suarez and could do that with one transfer. I just feel it is too standard. Rooney is still a bit of a differential. And United are a much better team.

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          1. OPTA FPL
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            with downgrading baines, i would have RVP - Rooney - Suarez front 3 right now
            no idea wy people hace so much blind love for baines

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            1. Beamer
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Just do it..... Might really pay big in the next 4 or 5 gameweeks...

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        2. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yer I can see that too_but It's a lot to ask having 2 Strikers from same team consistently delivering. I think you need one or the other and give you options of having 2 other big scorers.

          My first choice for Utd has always been Roon and the points are bearing that out, over games played.

          And come on who is Utd's Babe in Arms!

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    3. Beamer
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Snodgrass, Pablo Hernandez .... Not the best of fixtures they have,, but they are in good form.

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      1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        +1

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  25. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    boners for todays game is out if anyone hadnt noticed (I for one had not)

    sidwell 3, duff 3, rodallega 1

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    1. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Goddamn, I only have two of them. And I captained Rodallega over Sidwell. FML.

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      1. Chris_White
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Sidwell coming off the bench here. Tekkers.

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  26. Feanor
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    My current plan is to take my first hit of the season to do Fletcher -> Suarez, Nolan ->Puncheon and then play 4-3-3.

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  27. Pau
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    merts, gibbs or sagna?

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  28. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Best defender for 6.4 or less? Thinking Johnson

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      You are correct

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  29. athleticbilbobaggins
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Morning. So, not one completed pass in the box for Mr. Cazorla. http://tf-chalkboards.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/images/0frXD.png Good or bad ?

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      good, because he chose to shoot instead 😉

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I guess if all those passes into the box were accurate against WBA we'd be talking about a couple of assists. He generally goes for the spectacular and tries through balls that others would not so I don't think the lack of accuracy points to anything to be majorly concerned about. It's a bit like Silva. He's constantly trying to probe the box with through balls and slipping people through. Quite a lot won't be accurate but the important thing is he's always trying them...if that makes sense.

      You'd rather 10 inaccurate passes into the box than a guy who has 1 accurate pass all game continuously. I'm rambling... 🙂

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      1. athleticbilbobaggins
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        True 😀 The more concerning thing though is that Wilshere attempted more passes into the box. 😐

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  30. tw
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Who do you guys think will win?

    Me: cueller + sess (c)
    Jk: mig + shorey

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