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16 July 2011 1632 comments
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Liverpool have completed their fourth signing of the summer with the £20m capture of Stewart Downing from Aston Villa on a long-term deal. Having had a £15m bid for the winger knocked back last week, Kenny Dalglish wasted little time in returning with an improved offer and with Villa giving the club permission to speak to the player on Thursday, the deal reached a speedy conclusion, following weeks of media speculation.

Downing joins Jordan Henderson, Charlie Adam and Alexander Doni in arriving at the club this last few weeks and continues the major rebuilding process undertaken since Dalglish replaced Roy Hodgson back in January. Liverpool’s Director of Football, Damien Comolli, shared his thoughts on the transfer:

“We needed that pace and wide player that can bring us something extra, which we did not have in the squad. He has the right mentality, the right attitude and was absolutely committed to coming to us, so we are delighted.

He is a big, big signing for us. When we have Andy up front, he can put those balls in, but also he’s got more than that. We look thoroughly into data and statistics before signing players and we really think we are bringing a big, big asset into our team.”

Downing also spoke to the club’s official website upon completion of the transfer:

“It’s a great feeling and I’m very happy to be here. With the tradition, the manager and the players they have here, there was a big temptation to come here and once I knew of their interest, there was only one place I wanted to go.

‘It will be a great feeling to run out at Anfield. When I wanted to come to Liverpool, it was the first thing I thought of – playing at Anfield in front of those great fans. I’m really looking forward to it.”

The Statistics

A graduate of Middlesboro’s Academy, Downing debuted for his hometown club back in April 2002, though a failure to establish himself in the first-team meant he played just six games in his first two seasons. Loaned out to Sunderland in 2003-04, he made 7 appearances and scored 3 goals before injuries at the Riverside saw him recalled.

Resultantly given a run of games to nail down a starting place, Downing grabbed his opportunity and became a regular starter for Boro, staying with the club until the end of a doomed 2008/09 season that saw them relegated to the Championship. In total, he played 171 league matches for Middlesboro, scoring 17 goals and making 17 assists.

Snapped up by Martin O’Neill for Aston Villa in the summer of 2009, Downing, upon recovering from a broken foot, proved to be a key player for the Midlands outfit. Over the past two campaigns the winger has played 63 league games, scoring 9 and assisting 9 goals, with last season’s returns of 7 goals and 3 assists indicative of his growing influence on the side. He’s also played 22 times for England, picking up 3 assists.

The Prospects

The addition merely adds to the currently congested midfield but, as the weeks progress, departures are likely to start filtering out of Anfield and a clearer picture will emerge of Dalglish’s intentions.

Joe Cole and Milan Jovanovic seem certain to leave and with Raul Meireles and Maxi Rodriguez both linked with moves away from Liverpool, Downing’s prospects as a first-team option perhaps look greater than both fellow new-boys Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson, with less competition for a left wing role than in the centre and wide right.

Another factor here is that Downing’s arrival brings yet another set-piece taker to Liverpool; Henderson was number one for Sunderland corners, Adam took, well, everything for Blackpool and Downing shared corner kicks with Ashley Young. Downing took 93 corners last season but, with Steven Gerrard also added to the mix, he’s likely to lose that part of his game.

Downing’s crossing will bring a crucial extra element to Liverpool’s play, however, which may help the club bring the best out in Andy Carroll. Last season, Downing made 51 successful crosses, third best in the league behind Leighton Baines and Nani. With just 15, Raul Meireles was best Liverpool midfielder, a clear indication of the side’s inefficiency from the flanks.

This lack of quality aerial supply meant Carroll’s effectiveness in the air suffered; he won 62% of aerial duels at Newcastle but just 46% at Liverpool. For as much as Downing’s delivery has been talked about as the key to Carroll’s effectiveness, in terms of Fantasy perspective, Carroll may prove the answer to unlocking Downing’s potential; Downing made a total of 243 crosses last season and picked up just 3 assists- Carroll’s ability to turn those crosses into goals could considerably boost Downing’s assists and propel him into our Fantasy thinking as Dalglish looks for a top-four finish this time round.

The knock-on effect at Villa Park brings Marc Albrighton further into the picture, with the youngster currently Villa‘s only first-team right winger. New boss Alex McLeish must move to strengthen his options on both flanks, though, and has been strongly linked with Wigan’s Charles N’Zogbia. The Frenchman is likely to play on the left, though Gabby Agbonlahor’s adaptability may influence Big Eck’s thinking here. Set-pieces are also up for grabs, with the club now bereft of their two main takers from last season and N’Zogbia would be nailed-on favourite if he makes the move to the Midlands.

McLeish is notoriously defensive-minded and much will depend on his favoured formation. Last season he fielded a 4-4-2 on twenty occasions but Birmingham’s other eighteen games saw them play with just one forward up top. Five in the midfield could even bring forgotten man Stephen Ireland into the equation, with the player positive of his chances of becoming a key member of the Villa side under the new regime.

Further Reference

Stewart Downing Wikipedia

Stewart Downing Stats

Stewart Downing Goals and Assists 2010/11

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  1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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    Been away at work all day, come back and load up FPL with bated breath...

    nothing

    S.Fletcher'smug is once again all that awaits me.

    Thus it had been for the last 15 or so days.

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    1. Nomar
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      Same here, Pork Pie. Wish it would just give me a blank screen or something. I can actually still make transfers with last season's team.

      Normally by now all access to last season's game has long gone.

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  2. TheHazard
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    Is anyone not getting RVP at the start of this season?

    I think he'll be the first name on my team sheet.

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    1. TheHazard
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      Top of the page 8)

      http://imgboot.com/images/bodyofkrang/spiderman.gif

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    2. Dave Bauer
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      He will literally be the first person I click into my team if it EVER opens!

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    3. Demí
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      Playing the fixtures, so i may not be until gw 4/5

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      1. TheHazard
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        I thought about that. But I hate planning transfers at the start. I did it last year and found that injuries come and wash all your ideas away.

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      2. Dave Bauer
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        Oh I'm not saying he won't be out again and in again and out again all pre-season, but he'll definitely be the first one I put in at the start. Even if I ultimately don't have him for the first couple of weeks, I'll make sure I have an easy route in.

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      3. Screaming Midget
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        RVP is one of the few players who is 'fixture proof'.

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        1. Demí
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          Don't really believe in fixture proof players anymore.

          Especially with how much more competitive the league is every season, and more and more teams taking points of the top teams.

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          1. Dave Bauer
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            True, but RVP scored against everyone pretty much when he was fit last season. IMO he's probably the closest thing to it since the fake Ronaldo left. But the injuries are a definite concern.

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            1. Demí
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              Agreed

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            2. TheHazard
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              Not sure about Ronaldo like, but 150 points in half a season is hella form by anyone's standards.

              If he can carry that into this season he is going to be very hard to leave out.

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            3. Shakey
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              The one thing about RvP is he doesn't get niggles like a Saha-type crock, he gets spells of being fit, then big injuries.

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              1. applebonkers
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                are you calling saha a niggler?

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                1. Cheggers
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                  lol

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          2. Screaming Midget
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            Really? Check RVP out last season and also Kuyt in the latter parts. It didn't matter really what the opposition was - they were scoring against them.

            Each to their own though. But I can see RVP's price going up a decent amount by week 4 or 5, so it's something to keep in mind.

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            1. Demí
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              I know what you're saying and on his day, he can score against anyone. As proven by his scoring run last season.

              But for example i'd rather Someone like "Ba" against Wigan and Fulham, than RVP against Spurs and Liverpool. It's only the opening few fixtures, and then he's right in my team.

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          3. 4vets
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            9 consecutive away goals... hmmmmm

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            1. Screaming Midget
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              Yep. I'd say he was the most consistent player in the Prem last season.

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            2. Demí
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              yeah i know, and that set a new premiership record, but i don't expect him to repeat that feat again

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        2. 4vets
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          That's my thinking. I'm going to try to keep it simple this year and base my team around such players... if there are enough of them.

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          1. Cheggers
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            I'm going with Baines, Kuyt (if hes a midfielder), a chelsea defender, RVP and Torres from the off I think.

            Torres is purely there on fixtures and Ill swap him with rooney at week 7/8.

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            1. Screaming Midget
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              Not convinced Torres will score regardless of the fixures.

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            2. Drip Doctor
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              Surely not Kuyt? Most of his points came from pens and he wont be on pens anymore.

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              1. TheHazard
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                Yeah, I won't be going for Kuyt. His returns came when he was pushed up front and he was on pens. he'll be neither of those things at the start of this season, and he'll be back on the wing where he's a safe bet for a 2 or 3.

                Not knocking him as a player, but as a fantasy prospect he has to be upfront.

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                1. Drip Doctor
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                  Yep, he'll be around 9-10.5 aswell.

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                  1. TheHazard
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                    Good point, he will be overpriced because of his stint out of position last year

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    4. Shakey
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      I don't think I will.

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      1. TheHazard
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        Ant particular reasons? I know a couple of the fixtures are tough, but Arsenal can score against anyone and it's invariably RVP...

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        1. Shakey
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          Still, I don't think I want a 10mil+ player I won't captain for the first few weeks.

          he's not a bad pick, I just think there are better options.

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          1. TheHazard
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            That's a good point. Although I'm hoping captains should pick themselves with Suarez possibly week one, and then a big hitter from Chelsea for weeks two and three.

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            1. Drip Doctor
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              I think i'll go Torres/Drogs, Suarez & Bent. Silva is nailed on in my midfield.

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            2. Shakey
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              Well exactly. I'm not sure if I want to have three 10mil+ players in my side.

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              1. TheHazard
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                Yeah, difficult to picture it without the prices, but they're all sure to be expensive.

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                1. scoops
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                  Suarez at 9.5 looks to be the bargain pick

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          2. Nomar
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            I agree MFaulkner.

            After week 4 RVP should be a shoe in. But the first 3 games are tough and form doesn't necessarily carry over from the end of 1 season to the beginning of the other.

            If he's still there Tevez is better bet for the first 3 weeks, IMO. Easier fixtures.

            Not sure about Torres either. I'd rather go with Lamps from the start as Chelsea have good opening fixtures.

            Think someone like Bothroyd is worth a gamble early on too. Good fixtures and could get into a groove early.

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  3. Morrissey1986
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    And Bruce will be left to reflect on a useful outing, although he did lose defender John O'Shea when the former Manchester United man was substituted as a precaution after picking up a knock.

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    1. Demí
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      Am i right in thinking he started off with the captains armband?

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  4. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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    Mame Biram Diouf going to Blackpool. You heard it here first.

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    1. TheHazard
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      Good singing for the championship

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    2. Demí
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      😡

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    3. applebonkers
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      his starfish header for man utd was one of football's great moments. the cruyff turn, the hand of god, zidane's headbutt, diouf's header

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      1. TommyK
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        We do have a ludicrous amount of strikers- hernandez, rooney, owen, berbatov, macheda, wellbeck....

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    4. AP
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      First? It was all over twitter about 2 hours ago!

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      1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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        Was it 😯

        Who had it?

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        1. AP
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          Do a search for Diouf and you'll find out.. came from this:

          http://www.blackpool.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=524170

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  5. TheHazard
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    This is going to sound a year out of date, but how about Gareth Bale?

    Obviously the fixtures start tough, but after gameweek 3 you have wol LIV wig ARS new bla QPR ful AVL wba BOL stk SUN

    Lots of away trips, but that shouldn't be too much of a concern for a winger. he's had a whole summer to rest up and he could be something of a forgotten man. Prices at 8/8.5? Obviously it would take a brave man to have him from the start, but he's a great option for when the fixtures pick up.

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      I'd rather pay more and get vdv.

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      1. cucumber
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        +1

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      2. Wilfried Bony M
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        Bale looked much better than vdv against kaizer chiefs from what i saw

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    2. Shakey
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      Only if he starts getting assists.

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    3. FPL Daniel
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      Ahhh Bale... I want my fantasy players to assist now and then get some bp, score and sometimes to explode, I prefer constant fantasy points. I can't wait 4 Bale for 6-7 GW's in order to explode.I won't hold enough probably will sell bim before his brace or major point haul.

      Aftef his 15points everybody r jumping on him and u r scared his price is going rocket sky and what if he actually dors something you competition will kil u and there goes Paddy with promotion odds if he scores a brace again and he is not gonna then he gets 3bp in one of the next games and a lot of chaps r defending him for bis potential and a lot of them r mad to him why he is not delivering for them, they jumped on that wagon too late and the posting goes like forever.

      Good I miss those times 🙂 FPL is passion after all.Too bad FPL Towers don't understand that.

      On my phone hope no mistakes in the post

      Cheers,

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  6. cucumber
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    Could someone tell me the certain starters in defence for QPR? considering for first 8 gameweeks. Only conceded 32 goals in 46 championship games last year.

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      I think QPR will struggle this season. Bottom of the league.

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      1. cucumber
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        Haven't seen much of QPR, because I never had any interest in watching championship football.. but only conceding 32 in 46 games does make them look tempting, even if it was against championship opposition.

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      2. Nomar
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        Why do you think that?

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          Just a hunch, especially if Taarabt leaves. Warnock seems to be struggling in the market, if you can't agree terms with DJ Campbell, it is worrying. I think all three promoted teams will go straight back down this season.

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      3. Epic Fail
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        I think this is possibly the worst 3 promoted teams that the Prem has had in a while.

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    2. Nomar
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      As it stands now:

      Kenny
      Hill, Gorkss, Connolly, Orr

      I think Connolly and HIll are likely to be rotated. Hill isn't really a LB either and I think Neil Warnock is looking at Upson too (at least I hope he is anyway!).

      I'd play Kenny and wait to see who NW signs. Rumors abound that Kyle Naughton is coming on a loan deal and if thats the case I'd wait for him to come and put him in your team.

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      1. TheHazard
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        Naughton is really good, he was on loan with us (Leicester) last year and he gets forward a lot as well.

        Does a back flip when he scores, too.. which is a nice touch 🙂

        Quite like Gorkss as well, though. isn't he a bit of a goal threat from set pieces?

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        1. Nomar
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          Gorkss is a threat from set pieces yes.

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      2. cucumber
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        If kenny is priced at 4 I'll take him.

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      3. QPR expects... glory!
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        The one thing we never saw was Hill in central defence last year even though he has lots of experience there.

        Orr is terrible. He actually made me long for the return of Ramage!

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        1. Nomar
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          Hill should be in Central Defence really. He would have played there when we had Walker but I think Orr got injured didn't he and Hill filled in at RB I think?

          Hill isn't a wingback though, hence the reason why Warnock went for Routledge as he needed a left winger.

          Like you I'm not sold on Orr but he's a RB so I don't think that he's a major issue.

          Ideally we'd have this defence, if NW can get them:

          Naughton, Upson, Gorkss, Hill

          I'd prefer HIll to Orr for his defensive ability.

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      4. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        Funny. I've just been looking at this - thanks, nomar. By the way - good luck to your team - no chance of unearthing another maverick gem, I suppose? Used to love some of your players, years ago ... 😀

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    3. QPR expects... glory!
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      Paddy Kenny in goal, Clint Hill will be the LB. Other than that there is a possibility of some rotating in the other positions.

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  7. TommyK
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    Who do we think will win tonight's final then? I'm thinking Jim...

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
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      Helen I think, but agree with Bubbles hopefully Tom

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    2. Bubbles
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      Hopefully Tom. It's gonna be great, I absolutely love the interview episodes.

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        You've got to be kidding! How that clown is still in the competition is beyond me!

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      2. TommyK
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        I can see Tom struggling in an interview situation though...

        Would love him to win even so!

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          Jim will get ripped to shreds in his interviews, he'll hold his own though. Tom will be a stuttering mess.

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          1. Damo.
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            Margaret: "Jim, tell me something about yourself and try to do it without using a cliche"

            Jim: "I'm exactly what it says on the tin" 😀

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            1. Drip Doctor
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              "Im kinda a big deal...people know me"

              I can imagine him saying that with his Irish accent aswell. Awesome.

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        2. Bubbles
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          Sir Lord obviously likes him a lot though. It basically came down to choosing to boot out either Melody (who may have been a right knob, but was damn good) and Tom, and he stayed. Tom's a product guy, and the Lord likes those types of people.

          I agree he probably won't do too great with the interrogations, but its not a job this time. It'll all boil down to who's business plan will make the most money for Sugar, and I can see Tom doing quite well there as Sugar could basically say every invention you now make will go through our company (if Tom were to win, obviously).

          He may not be the strongest, from a business point of view, but that's why I kind of like him. He seems like a tidy guy.

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          1. Drip Doctor
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            Im sure he is a nice guy but I've noticed a darkside to him the last few weeks. I know they all take digs at eachother but his have been harsh. He comes across as a wiesel and kiss arse to me.

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    3. TheHazard
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      Nah Jim's going to get burned in the interviews.

      All style no substance. Likeable, though.

      Suzie or Tom, I reckon.

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      1. TommyK
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        Interviews play to jim's only strength: talking. 😛

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        1. applebonkers
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          ha so true

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        2. TheHazard
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          Not sure, don't think he'll be able to pull the wool over the yes of the kind of people they get in to do the interviews.

          A lot will hinge on the quality of the business plans, and I imagine Jim and Helen's may be weaker than Tom and Suzie's.

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          1. applebonkers
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            interesting thought on the business plans.
            if jim gets desperate hopefully he goes all stuart baggs and starts talking about fields of ponies and stuff like that

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    4. andy85wsm
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      I'm confused, is it the interview show tonight as well as choosing who wins?

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      1. TommyK
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        Yep.

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    5. applebonkers
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      😯 didn't know it was tonight, thanks for the heads up.

      helen 1, susan 2, jim 3, tom 4 imo

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      1. TommyK
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        I'm buying into the theory that at the end of the last episode you could tell who Sir Alan was looking at when he said "You're hired". 😀

        It's definitely Jim. 😉

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      2. O Fenomeno
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        Are you serious? I would even put that the opposite order, Helen has no chance she is a manager, people who can't do manage.

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      3. Drip Doctor
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        BAM! Exactly what i think.

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    6. Epic Fail
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      Wait. The Apprentice is on tonight?

      I would have waited til Wednesday.

      I love you. No homo.

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      1. TommyK
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        Meh, there was always iplayer anyway....

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        1. Epic Fail
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          Aye true, but chances are I would have seen who won before watching it.

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    7. applebonkers
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      they should bring back edward 'i roll with the punches' hunter back for the interviews

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  8. O Fenomeno
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    I would rather watch the Glee Project than see Darren Clarke get the Claret Jug.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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      I knew you'd be pleased ... 😉

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      1. O Fenomeno
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        I was lucky I kept my dinner down when he won, he is so smug looking I want to punch him

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  9. Bubbles
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    New post, but its not what you wanted...

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  10. O Fenomeno
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    Tom should win hands down if the Sugar is looking for a business partner, he is the only one I see who has the skills to get a product from design to the shelf.

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