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19 August 2011 1262 comments
Mark Mark
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Nothing changes. One Gameweek down and a section of us are already berating the Fantasy Premier League bonus points, questioning their award – venting frustration that the shining performances of our own players have been ignored.

We had such high hopes; the inclusion of the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index as the system that powered the bonus awards was expected to offer clarity – to reward those players who obviously stood out over 90 minutes. However, perhaps that’s an unrealistic goal; perhaps there always be a section of us destined for despair when the bonus is dished out.

From the evidence of Gameweek one, it’s clear that our love/hate relationship with the FPL bonus could very well continue – the Saturday night bafflement transferred to Monday morning, when this season’s statistically powered points arrive. Time will tell.

Having contributed the first Gameweek review at the Fantasy Premier League site, we got a glimpse as some of the statistics that contributed to the EA SPORTS PPI Gameweek totals. That brief dalliance and crucially, from the PPI totals already poured into the game from Gameweek One, a number of theories on the factors that will influence this season’s bonus point distribution have been developed further and a few more questions raised.

Hitting the Target is Crucial…
There were several PPI point totals that caused concern – in particular Fernando Torres earning 0 for his display at Stoke, Victor Moses also fetching 0 for his showing against Wigan and Andy Carroll’s -10 picked up in the 1-1 with Sunderland.

These players appear to have a couple of key factors in common and it’s perhaps the Carroll PPI which offers the most obvious guide. It appears that off target goal attempts are costly and can outweigh more positive factors and dent a players’ PPI – particularly when that player’s team fails to win the game.

Andy Carroll had many attempts on goal against Sunderland, of which only 1 found their target. His missed attempts appear to be the key factor behind his miserable day one PPI return. This was presumably compounded by the fact that Liverpool only mustered a draw against Sunderland.

Both Victor Moses and Fernando Torres also “wasted” opportunities in matches that their teams failed to win. While we’re unaware just how this is weighted against their total PPI, it appears that failing to hit the target with a goal attempt can seriously begin to dent your PPI total. Had Liverpool, Chelsea and Wigan won their matches, the PPI of these players could well have been boosted significantly.

With that in mind, Fantasy Managers may need to identify those players who gamble on firing in efforts from range – or are perhaps wasteful in front of goal.

The latter is a given – why would we invest in players who often found Row Z from six yards? Players like Clint Dempsey and Nani, however, are renowned for taking pot shots from range – it could be that, by doing so, they will damage their PPI score and, if they fail to find the net in a game, seriously hinder their chances of fetching FPL bonus points.

It could be that the algorithm is fed statistics that incorporate the nature of the missed goal attempt – it seems unlikely though and Carroll’s Gameweek one PPI appears to indicate the costly nature of wasted opportunities.

The Spread of Bonus points will be wider…
It didn’t take long to discover this. Immediately in Gameweek one we had a match at the Britannia which served up a spread of bonus across a group of players with Ashley Cole earning the maximum 3 points, while four players – John Terry, Jon Obi Mikel, Ryan Shawcross and Asmir Begovic, all collected 2 points. The Wigan vs Norwich game meanwhile saw seven players earn bonus – five earning 1 point each.

The spread was impossible to predict – created by a ties in overall PPI scores. Such an event will take some getting used to but appears to indicate that players that were previously overlooked by the PA representative (Mikel in particular) now have the opportunity to earn bonus recognition if they put in a statistical shift. A good thing? Probably.

With this in mind it’s inevitable that the overall total of bonus points dished out this season will increase and will perhaps increase quite considerably. It’s unknown how often these ties will occur but, given the apparent spread of the PPI totals in some matches, it appears like we could see at least one or two matches per Gameweek featuring such a spread – particularly in drawn matches.

Out of Position Players Could be even more valuable…
We know from the definition available on the Premier League site that the EA SPORTS PPI uses position as a weighting factor in its algorithm when it comes to clean sheets. We don’t know how much of a factor it is and whether a player’s position also influences the weighting of performance statistics. Perhaps actions that are atypical for a player’s position – a goal for a defender, a tackle for a forward – may well earn a stronger PPI return. With this in mind, we can only speculate that, if a player is played out of position, their PPI will be skewed.

For example, Gabby Agbonlahor, according to the EA INDEX statistics, put in an unnatural number of dribbles on the Villa left flank at Fulham. As he is classified as a Forward, these dribbles may have earned him a heavier PPI value than if he’d have been classified as a midfielder. As a result of his PPI return of 16, he nudged ahead of Shay Given, touted as man of the match at the Cottage, to 1 bonus point. Could it have been Agbonlahor’s position classification that helped him achieve this? Like so many of the theories discussed, we will need more Gameweeks to pass before we can firm this up.

The Bonus will remain unpredictable…
While a portion of the Gameweek one bonus awards appeared to make sense, as usual there was a decent size slab that left us puzzled and perplexed. The lack of bonus for Wes Hoolahan despite scoring at Wigan, the aforementioned snub of Fernando Torres at Stoke, these examples immediately spring to mind.

While we had the impression that the use of the EA SPORTS PPI would make the Bonus awards more predictable – perhaps even transparent, it’s already clear that this won’t be the case. We will still be nervously awaiting their arrival, unsure of their destination and left querying several awards each Gameweek.

While this will be scandalous when it affects us personally, from a distance it at least maintains the post Gameweek discussion that have become almost part and parcel of the FPL for many seasons.

For the purity and transparency of the game it’s obviously not the progress we expected – for fuelling banter and opinion however, it means little has changed. The whims of the man in the stand have been replaced with the cold secret of an algorithm – a new, faceless scapegoat for our failing Gameweek points tallies.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. The Bandit
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    One to bench please..

    Holt
    N Dyer
    Moses

    Leaning towards Moses atm

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    1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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      dyer

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      1. Johnny Unitas
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        I would go Dyer too, despite being at home, Moses is a sleeper after week 1 I think, I am playing him myself together with Sinclair.

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    2. The Bandit
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      Cheers

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  2. Hay Number 2
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    I think I am done, phew! Time to sit back and have three fingers of Glenlivet, with a little bit of pepper… and some cheese.

    Check out my b!tching team:

    Given (vorm)
    Bosingwa Kompany Hughes (Orr)(Brown)
    Lampard (c) Moses Yaya sessegnon Sinclair
    Rooney Torres (vc) (Johnson)

    Hay number 2 is Premier league fantasy football....boom!

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  3. Namtab Nomolos
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    It's a shame the prices were frozen. Aguero's TFPL price rise % is up to 1,583.9%

    Sure it would have been chaos, but a shrewd investor could have made a mint 🙂

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    1. @BigChrisso
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      +512

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    2. Fray Bentos
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      which is why prices were frozen

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        +42.

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  4. Uber Mo
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    Micah Richards or Vincent Kompany?

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    1. g-doo
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      im going with richards due to his greater attacking potential, although he is more of a rotation risk his starting birth looks secure for the mid term.

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    2. @BigChrisso
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      Richards for goal threat imo.... just took kompany out myself

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    3. baronvanduck
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      Thinking the same thing, Richards for me

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  5. Namtab Nomolos
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    On SSN they just said QPR might bid for Danny Simpson after his contract talks broke down. That would be bad news, he's good for a few sneaky clean sheets.

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  6. CFCTom
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    Watching our game on Chelsea TV against West Brom at the Bridge last season and Malouda scored our first goal. I won't be going for him though.

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  7. Dre
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    Have any of you guys had this glitch when on the FPL site?

    I took a screenshot of what had replaced Man City's name and took it into paint to draw a ring around it. I promise I didn't change this myself!

    http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e76/sifting_101/ManCityPleaseStayUp.png

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    1. Namtab Nomolos
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      Have they sold naming rights for their FPL name now?

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    2. Stevie D
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      Yep saw it myself @ 13:30 but not more recently

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    3. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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      😆

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    4. tommys
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      you bulked up your strike force to make it look good.....admit it 😉

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      1. Dre
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        Haha, of course, really I've got Vellios Holt Heskey 😉

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  8. tommys
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    carroll or torres??

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  9. mufc4lyfe
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    RMT Please Lads, going for a top heavy but surprisingly decent squad!

    Schwarzer (Vorm)
    Young, Alex, Jagielka (Brown, S Taylor)
    Barton, Malouda, Elmohamady, P. Neville (Delph)
    Torres, Roondawg, Bent

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    1. Dre
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      Neville and Delph won't get you many points IMO, Alex is a rotation risk (but who isn't in the chelsea squad apart from Cole) same goes for Malouda.

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      1. mufc4lyfe
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        Cheers, mate- top lad for replying!

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  10. GinjaWhinja
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    Brunt or Sinclair?

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    1. RedGun
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      i went sinclair for short term, if he doesnt do well in next 2 home games hes out for brunt

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  11. Fray Bentos
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    The amount of people that moaned about bonus points in years gone by – and now people moaning about the new system.

    One thing wont change – people like to moan

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    1. The hope that kills...
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      Was that a moan...?

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      1. Ticker
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        Yes!

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  12. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    RMT please

    Dempsey or Downing

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    1. Johnny Unitas
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      If that's your team you are goosed, I would prefer Downing over Dempsey this weekend anyway.

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  13. ADucksBehind
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    RMT

    Given (vorm)
    Baines A Cole Komapny Warnock ( de laet)
    Silva dempsey moses larrson ( ferguson)
    Rooney suarez ( Campbell)

    Would anyone make any changes?

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  14. halnone
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    the worst part of this free wild card is all the RMT's again.

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  15. Beavis
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    Vorm (Ruddy)

    Baines Brown A.Cole (Senderos) (Simpson)

    Sessegnon Silva Jarvis Sinclair Moses

    Rooney Torres (Odemwingie)

    and considering:

    Vorm -> Hilario
    Cole -> Warnock
    Sess -> Brunt
    Odem -> Bent

    Better with the 4 transfers or worse?

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    1. GinjaWhinja
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      Worse I'd say.

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  16. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    I see that Yaya Toure has now become flavour of the week - despite the enormous caning I took last week for selecting, and promoting him ... 🙂

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    1. Nibbsy
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      Whoever caned you for that is insane, he was brilliant value for money last season.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        Jolly nearly everybody! 😀

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    2. NotoriousDRE
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      LOL

      but with the pending purchase of Nasri....wont Yaya have to revert to the role he played at Barca? We know Silva and Nasri wont be coming back to defend!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        I suggest you take a gander at the EA Sports Index, and refer back to the two spreadsheets I posted passim ...

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      2. Nibbsy
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        Yaya will still bomb forward against weaker oppo, and he'll still make nice simple PPI passes and tackles against stronger teams.

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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          This ^^^, absolutely. Indice no. 2!!!

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          1. Nibbsy
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            What is indice no. 2? What are these spreadsheets posted passim??

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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                Nibbsy?

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  17. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    dempsey and Hoolahan

    or

    Bale and Sinclair

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    1. RedGun
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      second one

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  18. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
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    RMT please

    Given(Ruddy)
    Jagielka Bosingwa Hughes(Enrique)(RTaylor)
    Cahill Mikel NZogbia Larsson(Brunt)
    Suarez Bent(C) Rooney(VC)

    Got 0.5 in the bank, will bosingwa start instead of ivanovic or is alex the better option?

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    1. tommys
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      mikel???? eh no

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      1. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
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        he did get 5points gw1

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  19. Red-United
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    Can anyone give me some insight in to Lampard this season? Any Chelsea fans here?

    I've been reading a few of the Chelsea forums and it seems that the majority want Lampard dropped and think he will play the majority of games coming from the bench this season.

    Should I go for Malouda over Lampard instead?

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    1. g-doo
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      he wont be dropped

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    2. CFCTom
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      Want Lampard dropped? Thats ridiculous, they aren't Chelsea 'fans' they've probably never been to The Bridge in their lives. Lampard is a much better bet over the season than Malouda, how they could possibly want him dropped I don't know, they are idiots. Lampard is proven FPL quality, at 12 I think he's too expensive but I would refrain from getting any player at 12 tbh. The deeper role people have made up for him is also silly, I don't know if they are watching the games or what but he is just as advanced as he has ever been, Malouda's place could come under threat from Mata/Sturridge and Lampard's from Modric but the former is most likely, a lot of these forums talk nonsense, if you want to have either Malouda or Lamps, I would advise Lamps, though a striker would be preferable over the two of them, one of Drogba, Torres, Anelka or Sturridge if and when they become a regular. I doubt AVB would play Lamps off the bench for the majority of the season, he is not an impact player, he needs to be on the pitch for 90 minutes and if so will provide the goods more often than not, I've seen every single game Lampard has played for Chelsea and his time isn't up yet.

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  20. g-doo
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    torres and nani
    or
    rooney and malouda

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  21. HST
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    Suarez and Lampard

    or

    Malouda and Torres?

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    1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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      A definitely.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      Suarez for me, anyway ...

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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        In order of preference:

        Torres, Suarez, Lampard, Malouda.

        Option A probably just shades it for me.

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  22. Nibbsy
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    Bench Kompany or Brown this week?

    Baines and Bos are my other starting defs.

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    1. Chip
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      I'd bench brown. i take the view that man city def gets played every week (maybe drop for an away game at a big 3 team. i will be doing similar unless i play brown as 4th def. also heard sun new tends to be high scoring (no doubt will be 0-0 now!)

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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        Bench Kompany for me. Do you have a coin?

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        1. Nibbsy
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          Interesting. I'm surprised this question hasn't come up yet, considering most people's RMT's today have these 2. Maybe once people have decided on their squad...

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      2. Nibbsy
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        Cheers. That is the way I was going. Conventional wisdom says back the home def, but you're right its slightly different where derby games are involved.

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    2. J0E
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      • 16 Years
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      snap I asked that a few pages back...I'm going for the home boy Brown.

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      1. Nibbsy
        • 15 Years
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        Ok thats 2-1 to Brown now. Definitely not a no-brainer.

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        1. J0E
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          • 16 Years
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          bolton looked far more attacking away than newcastle did at home. I know the opposition is different, but I can see bolton scoring, whereas sunderland's defence is in great shape with alot of competition and newcastle haven't really got out of the blocks yet.

          Its a nice choice to have as both are great picks, but Brown has the edge for me this week...I like seeing all those (H) on my team this week as well.

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  23. Ceefax Page 302
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    Big thanks to everyone whose helped sort my mess of a team. Still intend to play WC in 2 or 3 weeks though for now this is the team.

    Hilario, Vorm
    Woodgate, Brown, Baines, Simpson, Figeroa
    Silva, Dempsey, Sinclair, Moses, Taarabt
    Suarez, Torres, Bent

    Good enough for the next few weeks?

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  24. Dartsfan501
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    34.5m for my mid any ideas who to get ???

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    1. Fray Bentos
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      lazy post

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      1. Johnny Unitas
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        The laziest in a while!

        Nani/Moses/Silva/Surman/Dyer with 1m spare.

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      2. Nibbsy
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        Haha. RMT

        Given Ruddy

        91m left, any ideas?

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          Change Ruddy for Begovic! 😉

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          1. Nibbsy
            • 15 Years
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            Thanks! Even harder now though with only 90 to play with.

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        2. J0E
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          lol.

          Its like asking peole to pop round and do all their housework. Back to forum school for you dartsfan501.

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  25. halnone
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    Is N'Zgobia any good??

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    1. Johnny Unitas
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      He's a good kid, don't bust his chops.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Exceptional, imo.

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      1. Johnny Unitas
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        Exceptional my ass.

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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          Well, that's one opinion, anyway ... 😐

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          1. Johnny Unitas
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            Oh shoot, sorry MMW I thought you were quoting Something About Mary to my Something About Mary quote, wires crossed!

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  26. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    bale or dempsey

    ?

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    1. FPL Daniel
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      tim cahill

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  27. Gommy
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    Having a bit of a dilemma...

    Rooney & Taraabt (already picked)

    or

    Torres & Nzogbia?

    Cheers,

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  28. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    dempsey or bale

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  29. eggvillan
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    (A) Malouda, Yaya Toure, Bent, Rooney

    (B) N'Zogbia, Nani, Torres, Rooney (no M. City coverage)

    both options leave me with 1M in the bank

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    1. Johnny Unitas
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      (B)

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    2. zee303
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      Probably A

      I have Nzog, Bent, Rooney, Yaya and Torres

      Will sell Bent or Nzog next week if Villa don't come good

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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        A

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  30. Rough Paste 12
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    Apparently we’re able to check out other players’ teams (with new subs) in our mini leagues … is this true? If so how?

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    1. Fray Bentos
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      it was a bug that was fixed

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