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The first midweek Gameweek of the season starts with two games where Premier League survival is the ultimate goal. There’s still an hour before the Gameweek 17 deadline, but the Dugout Discussion swings it’s doors open nice and early for tonight’s games…

Relatively high-flying Norwich travel to Molineux to face a Wolves side perilously close to the relegation zone. Although there’s an eight place gulf between the sides, anything but a home win against Norwich – who will be viewed as eventual fellow candidates for the drop – would constitute as a failure.

Mid-December is normally too soon for clubs struggling for points to begin to worry but, for Blackburn Rovers and Bolton Wanderers, a loss tonight would ensure mass hysteria. To say both managers’ jobs are on the line pending this game’s outcome, might not be that far off the mark.

That bottom-off-the-table scrap at Ewood Park is the televised game tonight, but you can follow all of the action in our Dugout Discussion chatroom.

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  1. deccoo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    Blackburn look awful! So happy resisted the twitch to (c) the Yak!

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  2. Animals & Scandals
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    Norwich look good.
    Surman, Morison, Hoolahan play well together.

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  3. DRIZ ✅
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    yakubu (c) - how you all feeling?

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    1. Manamongst
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      Night is still young homie...it´s cold out. Givem time...

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  4. Gravless wonder
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    If the FA don't give Terry and equal or longer ban, then I'm afraid they're guilty of racism themselves

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    1. GlasgowFF
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      +1

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    2. DRIZ ✅
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      the FA is corrupt.

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    3. Kings of Lyon ★
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      I agree

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    4. Mulder
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      Terry is innocent.

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    5. jamsiep
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      Aye, because the two incidents were the same.

      Moron.

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        *If* he's found guitly he should get the same ban. Racism's racism.

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        1. AP
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          This.

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        2. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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          *if* he is found guilty, England captaincy goes and may never play for them again. Respect.... Good news for England if he is found guilty and I think there's more evidence against Terry

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      2. GlasgowFF
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        At least Suarez has the excuse of a language barrier. Terry does not.

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        1. Shakey
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          Luis Suarez knows more than enough black people to know what you should and shouldn't say to them. Language barrier isn't an excuse.

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          1. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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            truth

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      3. Gravless wonder
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        that's the point...one was someone clearly shouting something offensive on camera. The other was the word of someone who organised a strike at the world cup finals...!

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        1. Isabella
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          +1 Exactly

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        2. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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          +1

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    6. Syd.
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      They cannot do anything until the police investigation is complete. He will probably be longed retired by then.

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  5. Ste7ieBoy
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    I see Johnson didn't make the starting lineup again for Norwich.
    Time to drop him methinks!

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  6. AP
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    Liverpool fans saying they should boycott England and take their players out of the euros if selected... OH SH*T! NO KELLY!

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      🙂

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      😆

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    3. Drip Doctor
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      😆

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    4. Syd.
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      They will be missed....

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    5. Shakey
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      luls

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    6. jamsiep
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      AP done a funny.

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      1. Gaffer
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        They do love a drama don't they the scousers ??!!
        Just deal with it and move on ok.

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    7. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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      Yeah, grandpa beat up the dj is ready for the pasture and carroll is not getting enough time to get a call up.

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  7. sotothemightygreek
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    Norwich killing Wolves here.

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    1. mobbonkhouse
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      We need to score a second though as we are bound to concede.

      Hunt booked for the most hilariously pointless cheating I have seen in a while.

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      1. sotothemightygreek
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        There you go

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      2. mobbonkhouse
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        Sigh

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    2. Granville
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      Good Norwich are my IKTS nap of the day.

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  8. Optimus.
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    the only ones to benefit from the suarez 8 game ban is the goalposts

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    1. Kings of Lyon ★
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      😀

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    2. Somalion
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      And the poor gent who has to repaint them after each onslaught.

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    3. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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      LOL. Business as usual for the back of the net though 🙂

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  9. Kings of Lyon ★
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    bring in jones before the rise even though hes playing at fulham?

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    1. Jukesy
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      Can't bring him in to play Fulham?

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    2. Mull
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      Bit late aren't we.

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
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        no i mean il bring him in for next week to get the rise?

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        1. MrJefferson
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          so he will have already played fulham so whats the problem?

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    3. IAmTheWalrus
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      I understand your post, yes bring him in, risk it!

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      1. MrJefferson
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        i also now comprehend, bring him in hes a pure bull, cant see him getting injured

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    4. thetinkerman
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      I was in the same situation but ended up bringing him in before the deadline (for Ward)

      If he doesn't play vs. Wolves, would you still want to get him?

      Obviously there's also the risk of injury.

      Plus the player you're getting him in for could do well and you'd be regretting making the transfer before the game! He's not due to go up until Thursday at the earliest anyway is he?

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      1. thetinkerman
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        • 14 Years
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        Oops, got an error message but it obviously worked!

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    5. thetinkerman
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      What if he doesn't start, would that change your mind?

      What if he gets injured?

      What if the player you're replacing him with does well?

      I don't think he'll go up before Thursday at the earliest anyway... will he?

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  10. DRIZ ✅
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    YOUR GETTING SACKED IN THE MORNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  11. Demí
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    Stevo_football Jonathan Stevenson
    Fantasy Football update: If Suarez appeals, which he will, the penalty is suspended until final decision. So he'll probably play at Wigan.

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      He has four games before the 14 days, so no major rush for those who have him to panic.

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  12. MrJefferson
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    first week i have went with 4 defenders and i doubled up on man U, im starting to feel nervous!

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  13. Optimus.
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    might mean a bit more game time for jonjo this ban

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  14. Holy See
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    8 matches for the racist then. Makes sense now why Liverpool sold Ngog. Did rather confuse me, given his unmistakable talent.

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      😮

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  15. Jinswick
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    On reflection I actually don't mind this Suarez news as an owner - he will play at least the next 2 games (wig & BLA) and will want to go out with a bang. Expect a lot of goals. Then it's an easy trade to Studge.

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    1. Somalion
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      Or he'll hit the post even more than usual!

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    2. UnderstandablyDistraught
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      He'll be dropping his soap on the pitch then

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    3. brianyboy 42
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      There goes my Tierney CS with an E Banks Blake goal.

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    4. wozza
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      I'm not too bothered either. We have enough warning now to get rid of him without disruption. The only concern is how it will affect his mentality.

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      1. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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        well hopefully he doesnt go out and bite someone

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    5. Shipstontrev
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      You might be better off switching to Bellamy before Suarez's value falls

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  16. DRIZ ✅
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    adebayor looking to price fall tonight? whats he done? good fixtures also coming up and looking to score in most of them.

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
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      those who sell are in severe peril

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    2. Shipstontrev
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      And the DGW of course.

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    3. Piggs Boson
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      don't panic, he'll rise again soon

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    4. Ruud van Basten
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      Exactly my thoughts. Same applies to Bale - although he MAY not play tomorrow, there's a massive shift in people getting rid of him!

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    5. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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      I think people are making moves for the next weeks and will get back on him. There is also the plan of bale,vdv, walker/assou as coverage for the DGW. To each their own.

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  17. Drip Doctor
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    This is shocking. Nobody can pass.

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    1. deccoo
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      York vs. Kiddminster is looking tempting at the moment instead of watching this pish!

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  18. Granville
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    No matter how good a player he is does anyone think Liverpool will be a better balanced team without Suarez.They might actually score more goals, so far they have 20 goals in 16 games which is fairly poor. He's a bit like Tevez but with less goals, and city haven't missed him.

    Just saying......

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    1. PFOR
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      City signed Aguero, Liverpool signed Carroll.

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      1. Syd.
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        For less money....

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    2. Gargamel
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      Not me, I think he is very very good and actually helps balancing the side.

      A good chance for Carroll to show how much he really is worth, then. Will be interesting at least.

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    3. Mulder
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      Because city have Aguero, Balotelli, Dzecko etc. Instead of Carrol

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    4. Drip Doctor
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      I agree, i think it will suit Liverpool.

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    5. DRIZ ✅
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      looking to put in bellamy could prove worthwhile

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    6. Jimmers
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      Who's going to score them?

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    7. Shakey
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      Suarez does dick around a lot when he's on the ball, always taking the most complex route to goal. It could suit Liverpool to be more direct.

      Having said that, PFOR's point is very valid.

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        Suarez is deceptive in my opinion, twisting and turning, head down, rarely picks the right option quick enough. They could be a lot more direct with the Big Oaf upfront, it will suit the likes of Downing, Adam etc...

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    8. Alsorans
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      Suarez is twice as good as the next best pool player, they will struggle even more I reckon

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      1. jamsiep
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        Incorrect.

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      2. The EJJ
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        We will struggle, Suarez has been unlucky and is our main creative force. Although the blow will be weakened if Gerrard returns soon

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          5 goals, 3 assists. I guarantee, Bellamy and Carroll would have more had they played as many minutes.

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  19. Namtab Nomolos
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    So 14 days before Suarez's ban kicks in is 3rd Jan. 8 game ban. Then who do Liverpool play next? Oh, it's Man U.

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    1. Syd.
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      Its Man City you plonker

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      1. Namtab Nomolos
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        I mean the comeback game for him after the ban. Assuming it starts with that game on the 3rd, or if liverpool get an FA Cup replay.

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  20. Gnu
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    From what I've read it appears that the offensive term that Suarez used was 'negro'
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro
    Any thoughts?

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      yea negreto something like that. its racism. i think what terry said is worser has he is english himself.

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    2. Epic Fail
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      Depends what else he said to go with it...

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    3. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Common sense says if in doubt, don't call a black person a negro.

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      1. Gnu
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        I think there may lie the issue, you can call some one a black person but a chalkboard is called that because blackboard was deemed offensive, lots of grey areas and some of it has got really silly. There's blatant racism going on across European games and nothing more than a slap on the wrist is given. Not an arguement anyones going to win but the it's Suarez shouldn't influence people on what the punishment should be.

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        1. Somalion
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          I do agree that things have grown out of hand. In general there's a bit too much political correctness nowadays. For example, a computer company were ordered to remove the names "master" and "slave" from their hardware. Master/slave technology is based on one device having the ability to control another. That was seen to be too offensive though.

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        2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          It's all about context. Calling someone a black person is fine, calling them a black c*nt isnt.

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          1. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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            well said.

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    4. Portsmouth Bubblejet
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      The BBC's South America correspondent Tim Vickery wrote a good piece today about the cultural differences between South America and Britain when it came to using epithets:

      "Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - the black boss. Among Suárez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken. It appears to be used in the same spirit that Alvaro Fernandez is called "El Flaco", which means skinny.

      "These words are not easy - perhaps almost impossible - to translate into a contemporary English context. How do you judge the weight of a word uttered in a foreign language from a different mindset?"

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.stm

      Point taken, but once Suárez arrived in Britain, it was his responsibility to work out whether it's socially acceptable *here* to use nicknames like this. I think that in this case, Suárez wasn't intentionally trying to act in a racist way, but that's still not good enough. If you say what he was alleged to have said to a British player (or, in this case, a Frenchman), you're clearly and irrefutably crossing a line. So a ban of some length is fully justified.

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      1. Shakey
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        I think the points about cultural difference would hold more weight if Suarez hadn't played in the Netherlands since he was a teenager.

        Personally, I think Suarez knew he was being a little c*nt.

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        1. Gnu
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          • 16 Years
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          Oi, up here little is taken as offensive, we prefer 'wee'.

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          1. Shakey
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            Sorry, 8 game ban for me.

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        2. Portsmouth Bubblejet
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          True, but a Dutch friend of mine said that the Dutch have two words for black - "zwart" and "neger" - which are interchangeable and non-insulting. Don't get me wrong, I think Suarez would resort to any wind-up to get an advantage on the pitch, but I don't think he realised the extent of what he was doing this time round.

          And, as I said: Ignorance is no excuse. The ban is fully justified.

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          1. Triple J
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            I'm from Holland too. And I have seen him playing for quite a while. The main thing here is that this fellow has an attitudeproblem long before he came to the UK.

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            1. bobbydinho - Portland Irons
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              He looks pissed off all the time. Unless he scores or gets someone a card. Then he is smiling ear to ear. The guy is just mental. Biting, racism and the WC...wow!

              Dennis Rodman was talented also...I'm just sayin...

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    5. thetinkerman
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      • 14 Years
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      Fact of the matter is that no matter how nice Suarez is, how many black people he went to school with or what the context of what he said was, the FA had to ban him to make an example.He said something that could be construed as racist.

      If the FA didn't ban him, would they possibly be in trouble with FIFA?

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  21. Cruicky
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    1-1 Wolves.

    Ebanks Blake goal, Hunt assist.

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  22. therealgreek
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    im so pleased i've stuck with suarez.

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  23. Davido989
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    When does Suarez's ban actually start ? after 14 days ?

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  24. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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    John Terry isn't going to be charged. He should be, but the English FA who think it's alright for one of their players to kick an opponent won't charge their captain with a major competition at the end of the season.

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      he will be charged, depends for how long. If he isnt then theres not points of doing these respect rasicm schemes.

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    2. jamsiep
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      "He should be"

      Why exactly do you think you're in a position to make comments like this, when you have no idea about the facts?

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      1. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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        What facts? There's one fact, if it's even a fact. And I have a perfectly good idea of that fact, it's clear as daylight what he said.

        If he wasn't a Chelsea player, you wouldn't defend him. Fact.

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      2. Granville
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        • 16 Years
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        I'm with you on this. Too many jumping to conclusions.

        Same when Evra first made the accusations, many were saying he's telling porkies.

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      3. AP
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        Irony alert.

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    3. Mulder
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      Difference is that John Terry is innocent and Suarez is not.

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      1. sotothemightygreek
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        How the f*ck do you know that?

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      2. thetinkerman
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        Didn't know that God posted on these boards

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  25. @FuzzyWarbles
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    for gw 18

    Vorm(QPR)

    Enrique(BLA), Evans(WIG), Shotton(AV)

    Silva(wba), Nani(WBA), Mata(FUL), Bale(nor)

    RVP(WOL), Adebayor(nor), Sturridge(FUL)

    (Brown-EVE 1st sub)

    if i pick a decent captain, that looks like a 100 point GW to me!!!!

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    1. Shipstontrev
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      I've got 90% of those players. so I'll take 90 points 😉

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  26. LMFAO
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    really hoping either Bale or Richards doesnt play now.....Surman is my 1st sub!

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    1. Syd.
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      They will both play

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  27. Drip Doctor
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    SEB goal. Really wanted to pick him in FT!

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Can someone tell me why Doyle didn't play? That goal should be mine!

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  28. For Fuchs Sake
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    According to text commentary, Henessey has made 9 saves, but I only have one save point for him? Is there a specific criterion that constitutes a save?

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  29. Josh
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    Blackburn vs Bolton is like watching a championship match

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  30. Syd.
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    2-0 Bolton...

    Reo Coker

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