| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change |  Raya Martin | ARS | B, Vs |
| No Change |  Donnarumma | MCI | B |
| Up |  Henderson | CRY | C |
| No Change |  Pickford | EVE | C |
| No Change |  Verbruggen | BHA | B |
| No Change |  Darlow | LEE | B, Vs, £ |
| Down |  Roefs | SUN | B |
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change |  Gabriel Magalhães | ARS | B, Vs |
| No Change |  O’Reilly | MCI | A |
| Up |  Lacroix | CRY | A |
| No Change |  Keane | EVE | C |
| Up |  van Hecke | BHA | B |
| Up |  Struijk | LEE | B, Vs, £ |
| Up |  Hill | BOU | C, £ |
| Down |  Ballard | SUN | C |
| Down |  van Dijk | LIV | A |
| No Change |  Thiaw | NEW | C |
| No Change |  Cash | AVL | C |
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change |  Bruno Fernandes | MUN | A |
| Up |  Cherki | MCI | A |
| Up |  Saka | ARS | C, Vs |
| No Change |  Wilson | FUL | B |
| No Change |  Ismaila Sarr | CRY | C, Rest |
| No Change |  Rogers | AVL | B |
| No Change |  Gibbs-White | NFO | A |
| No Change |  Dewsbury-Hall | EVE | A, £ |
| No Change |  Palmer | CHE | C |
| Down |  Szoboszlai | LIV | C |
| No Change |  Tavernier | BOU | C, £ |
| No Change |  Hinshelwood | BHA | B, £ |
| Player | Club | Factors | |
|---|---|---|---|
| No Change |  Haaland | MCI | B |
| No Change |  Thiago | BRE | B |
| No Change |  Bowen | WHU | A |
| No Change |  Watkins | AVL | A |
| No Change |  Welbeck | BHA | B |
| No Change |  Calvert-Lewin | LEE | C, Vs |
| No Change |  João Pedro | CHE | C |
| Up |  Isak | LIV | B |
Mark While there are still five games to go in the Gameweek, the EA Sports Player Performance Index has been published for the weekend’s four matches, which means the Fantasy Premier League have awarded their bonus points accordingly. Here’s how they’re shared out…
Fulham 0 Swansea 3
Sigurdsson 3, Routledge 2, Allen 1
Wigan 1 West Brom 1
McArthur 3, Scharner 2, Beausejour 1
Wolves 0 Man United 5
Hernandez 3, Valencia 2, Welbeck & Evans 1
Newcastle 1 Norwich 0
Cisse 3, Gutierrez & Cabaye 2
Team for GW30
Mignolet
Rangel, Enrique, Evans
Silva, Valencia, Bale, Siggy
RVP, Rooney, Ba
Vorm, McClean, Raylor, Senderos
0 FT, 4.4 in the bank...
It's galling that Rooney didn't get any BPs - he was by a million miles their best player yesterday, which means that the Ppi index is just a rubbishly weighted calculation towards goals.
^this
Evans Welbeck Hernandez Valencia all in there
Also I saw Valencias stats surely he should have got the three instead of Hernandez?
he would have got 2 I reckon under the old 'man in the stands' system. If it'd ended up 1-0 he might have got something, but with that many assisters and scorers Rooney was always going to end up behind those others.
I'm a Rooney captainer, but still happy as at least he got something and Evans' unexpected 13 pts more than makes up for it.
To be honest, I think Valencia was better.
But Rooney was definitely top 3.
If it was the system from last year:
Valencia 3 Rooney 2 and Hernandez 1 (for being in the right place at the right time) IMO
I miss the days of Ferguson, Birmingham milf, with his 3point boners every home game.
😀
JOA, looks like you are going to whoop me 2 weeks in a row... Jammy bugger !!!! no seriously nicely played with Siggy
Hello
hey rudi.. howzit?
haha, Siggy's a machine!
12 + Reina Vermaelen Enrique Silva
vs
Hart Skrtel Adam Suarez
unless Suarez explodes it's all yours.. Can't even see Adam starting the prick... (or is that me for getting him)
Was anyone genuinely surprised that Rooney didn't get BPs?
Have 2 FT should i do?
Demps, Ba -> Val, Suarez
Giving me
Vorm (Krul)
Skirtel Enrique Evans (Simpson Senderos)
Silva Bale Dempsey Pilk (Moses)
Rvp Suarez Rooney
Fisrt you got your team wrong! Secondly though wait news on Suarez's injury first
Guys thinkign of doing Nani to Gerrard?
United midfield just seems a bit of a lottery - and although switching to Valencia frees up funds, he can and prob will be rotated (game time for Young, Nani, Giggs). Think I'll just stick with Roons.
not tempted by Walcott?
ARS have two nice GW's coming up (AVL, qpr)
Sensible. Dont chase points. Last week everyone wanted Young. That turned out well!
not sure i get you.
i bought Young in but that was part of the plan as MUN have decent fixtures for the rest of the season. that's not chasing points.
But you brought i Young as he scored well last week. He then gets benched.
Maybe the same will happen for Valencia next week.
I suppose one could have both??
if you look at valencia stats, he's played almost every minute of football that he's been available for since december 3rd. Ferguson has stated he will play a big part in the run in, and also the fact that he is 2-3 million less than young and nani, means in my opinion it is a straight forward conclusion that :
Valencia > Young || Nani
I think you're right. People will rush to get Valencia in after this gameweek but reality is he WILL be rotated every now and then for Young and Nani etc, he could even play RB sometimes...
Rooney is the only certainty IMO
(United Fan)
Wilko 1 bit of advice, ignore Toni at your peril for me he's essential till end. Saf much prefers toni to young/nani in that order. United are in controll of their own destiny mostly playing 1 game a week, rotation wont come into it , Saf will play his best 11 every week he's cutthroat , Valencias work rate and footballing ethic is exactly what Saf demands for the run-in, he won't have any time for hot/cold players eg young or luxury players/divers eg nani. Saf can smell victory in his nostrils and against the noisy neighbours, "he will love it when he beats em !" at your peril mate....
Team for this game week;
Reina (WIG)
Evans (FUL) Vermaelen (AVL) Enrique (WIG)
Walcott (AVL) Valencia (FUL) Sigurdsson (EVE)
Van Persie (AVL) Rooney (FUL)
Which 2 would you add to this bunch?
A. Ba (wba)
B. Bale (che)
C. Richards (sto)
D. Surman (WOL)
A & B
Surman and Richards
Surman is obvious, Richards is always a rotation risk
c and d
D, anyway. Dunno otherwise.
Cheers everyone, currently have Ba and Bale in so glad people (mostly) agree.
Vorm - Krul
Skrtel - Caulker - Santon - Senderos - Evans
Bale - Valencia - Dempsey - Moses - Siggy
Rooney - RVP - Ba
I have 1 FT and 4m in the bank
Any suggestions?
And suddently Torres becomes great value at 9.9 with 2 goals and 2 assists yesterday... Third time´s the charm!
Frustrated Suarez owner is better than frustrated Torres owner
Torres gets rotated, Suarez doesnt either
v Leicester
Lolz
Jokes apart though, he looked like his old self, great exhibition!
Ok i propose a rule change for next year:
Every first goal for the player (not first in the game) is worth:
5-7 for a striker
6-8 for a mid
7-9 for a defender.
I mean why to wait the bp ....
Yep. And get rid of Baps
Assist from Midfielder = 3, from a striker 4, from a defender 4
Striker 2 IMO. Surely being high up the field allows for better chances of an assist
If a pen is saved taker gets 0 if he misses then he gets -2. Thats fairer
Like you would like for Evans to get 7-9 pts. for his goal only?
Silly idea.
Sarcasm for the BP system maybe... 😕
Just had a quick look through results & baps. You obviously have a point. Have a look at GW25 Swansea 2 - Norwich 3. Graham scores 2 yet gets 0 baps. Ward gets 1 assist & gets 2 baps. Most of the time in a one-sided game the baps are obvious atm but not always.
Steve Kean happy for #BRFC game at #BWFC to be postponed this weekend if Bolton make the request.
Bolton's game's being suspended is fine. Their players will still be all over the place. I don't agree with talk of the likes of spurs-stoke game being off though. Can't see why they can't play that. Obviously fingers crossed muamba pulls through regardless.
The bps system is flawed. Valencia was miles ahead of Hernandez yesterday. In what was the easiest game United will have all season Chicarito had a poor game by his standards. Hernandez and Welbeck both benefitted from the great play of Rooney and Tony V. The bps system is more about who happens to get on the end of the final ball to score not the overall performance of a player. It needs a revamp.
Exactly. It is too weighted to goals. You already get the points for goals, so other things need to be accounted for
What organisation would you accept as an arbiter of the "fairness" of a stat based system?
One in which goals were not so very heavily weighted. Also one which differentiated between the woodwork and a miss. Just my opinion.
OK but whatever system is devised, someone will say it isn't "fair" for whatever reason, who could arbitrate? Who could decide impartially what "fair" means?
I am not questioning the arbitrators that currently decide who to award bps to. It's the system that is flawed. Once they have taken into consideration other keys factors besides putting the ball into the net I am happy for them to award the bps in accordance with the new criteria.
Would be helpful if they gave the formulae to the PPI. Obviously it is being worked out slowly with better bap prediction. Either way get goalscorers in your team for FPL.
I agree Doos. I think the stat based system is fairer, but the weightings need revising to take account of contribution to the match as a whole rather than just the number of goals scored.
I think best if people 'watch' the game and see who is the most influential etc. You can't count certain things which influence a game - i.e. a defender could own a forward from 5 minutes in, but since that forward can't go near him then no influence is registered in the current format OR for e.g. siggy wouldn't have got his goals without other players pulling the defence this way and that.
Yes WATCHING FOOTBALL objectively is the answer.
Stilicho, how about some kind of system that combines Influence, Creativity, and Threat? Just a thought to whisper into the great one's ear.
Out of interest, the ICT Index said Valencia 3, Rooney 2, Welbeck 1...
Very interesting. Are you at liberty to hint as to whether there's been any kind of mention of such things in The Towers? Getting a decent BP system would be very nice next season.
Yes it is.... because my captain would have got 2 BPs under that system 😛
Everyone should be careful that they aren't just calling for revolution because they got 2-4 less points than they should have. It should be for the right reasons.
As an aside, are Goalkeepers fairly represented in the ICT index? More so than the Rooneys of this game, people like Vorm and Hart have often been overlooked in the BPs this season because of the current EA PPI system.
No, they are not. Excellent point.
And one that incorporates successful passes in relation to unsuccessful passes.
I think I'm not explaining my question very well, we all may have a particular preference for the weighting of the system - but who is to say that my preferred system is any "fairer" than your proposed system? Is there an arbiter which would be acceptable?
Well, I'm afraid you haven't really! My question relates to certifying the fairness of the system that awards the points, not the consistency of individual points awards within that system. You have a preference for a change, another person will have a different preference for a change, what I'm getting at is "is there any way to objectively certify the fairness of the system?"
Employ people who don't care about football or fantasy football to monitor the matches in accordance with the new criteria and award the bps accordingly.
Well OBVIOUSLY there isnt. But the implication is that just because we cant objectively certify something as FAIR, then we should not even attempt to get FAIRER!
I'd say a system will be deemed FAIR (or FAIRER) if it takes into account more factors of a football match, and if it produces acceptable outcomes* across a number of test matches.
*In accordance with, I suppose, the bonus allocations that a panel of experts would dish out.
Arbiter = Fantasy Football Scout 😛
Reason why they think this system of EA is "fairer" but the numbers don´t count the human factor in the game... just numbers... just numbers... just numbers...
As all systems are arbitary, the 'correct' system is the one that generates results that most people who watched the match agree with. At the moment everyone knows that the BPs will be stupid, even if they know why they are awarded. The system thereofer doesn't worka nd need s to be changed. Ideally it needs to reflect both stats (to make it accountable) and the perception of observers.
OK fine, but let's say hypothetically the PL sets out to do precisely what you ask, who then decides whether they've achieved it or not?
Fran :0 !
Seconded! 😉
Blimey. I had no idea all this was humming along ... 😀
Can I decide Stilicho?
Maybe you could arm wrestle Fran for the honour, that's a system we can all agree with I reckon.
Agree with this. The appropriateness of a stats based system hinges on the appropriateness of its results.
Yes but if, as I suspect, FPL players will never agree on the appropriateness of the results - to play devil's advocate - why would the PL be interested in investing in a change which simply swaps one set of moans for another?
i see mancini was off watching hazard yesterday
http://football-talk.co.uk/60983/video-eden-hazard-scores-as-roberto-mancini-watches-from-the-stands/?
Yeah, because they need another creative midfielder for the bench!
It's interesting from previous Hazard comments though, I don't think he'd be too keen to go to City.
He seems to want to be assured gametime first and foremost.
He's kept his commitment to Lille for the past few years when he could have gone and had money elsewhere, so seems like the kind who values football first.
i know this might sound a little sanctimonious and i don't mean it to be but can people please stop and think before they post things like: "i hope the TOT vs STO game is called off".
the reason it would be called off is that some players and staff might have been affected by the fact that a fellow professional and friend nearly died right in front of them.
we all like to do well in FPL and we all want points off the bench but please think before you post.
Fair enough, but personally, and this is just my opinion, I don't think the spurs-stoke game should be called off. Completely agree that bolton's game's should be though.
i don't think it will be either but the rumours start and we tend to look at it in terms of bench points to be gained rather than for what it really means.
Well said!
Ah. Sporting. Walcott - a big thumbs up! 🙂
I was thinking the same sort of.
Seen people celebrating that Bolton/Villa was called off so they got Siggy off the bench or hoping Spurs wouldn't play for similar reasons.
I know this is a FF site and that, but I didn't like it.
Anyone benching Dempsey (away to Man Utd) or Bale (away to Chelsea) for GW30?
but fulham have norwich at home in gw31. bale's fixtures are tougher.
Don't bench Bale... People make so many mistakes benching players against good teams... Just look at some of the seasons results:
City 6 - 1 United
United 8 - 2 Arsenal
United 3 - 3 Chelsea
People still score goals... Bale is capable of destroying whoever plays at RB for Chelski
Demps went for Valencia yesterday and Bale went a long time back
Who to play this week?
a) Dempsey (mun)
b) Surman (WOL)
So why exactly doesn't Papiss Cisse get any love here? The guys is ahead of Ba in pecking order for their country and has thrived in the epl instantly. Priced at 6,7 now, great value. I know that Pog scored well for a few rounds but still?
Daniel - I'm back ... for a short while ... 🙂
as am I Doos! 🙂
Bolton and LCH Statement at 9.30 today:
"Fabrice Muamba's heart condition is stable, but he remains critically ill in intensive care at The London Chest Hospital. "The family is grateful to the media for continuing to respect their privacy at this time."
Not out the woods or anywhere close for that matter. He's in the best place now though and condifent that the doctors can pull him through.
Which option looks better?
1) 8pt hit.
Vorm
Enrique, BAE, Evans
Dempsey, Valencia, Siggy, Bale
Rooney, Aguero, RVP
Bogdan, McClean, Kelly, Hanley
2) 4pt hit.
Vorm
Enrique, Evans, BAE, Lescott
Valencia, Silva, Siggy, Bale
Rooney, RVP
Bogdan, McClean, P.Cisse, Hanley
wonder will grant holt start next week against wolves
I'm glad he was rested y'day as I think this will mean he'll start next week. I'm playing him anyway.
Man Utd PPI scores from y'day:
Hernandez - 50
Valencia - 47
Evans/Wellbeck - 31
Rooney still a way off at 22
I think Chicha needs to ger 90 PPI,. Those tap ins are great!!!
That is daft. Look at Metro:
Valencia 105
Javier Hernández 84
Jonny Evans 83
Danny Welbeck 80
Rafael 75
Wayne Rooney 55
David De Gea 49
Michael Carrick 43
Rio Ferdinand 43
Still not right, imo - but better!
Yeah hernadez getting 50 is taking the p*ss. I wish we could get an explanation about what counted towards the points, apart from the obvious goals and assists. Goals' must weighted pretty heavy.
Yes they are. Even in Metro they are 25. If Evans had stayed on, he would easily have outscored Hernandez, in Metro, at least.
Erm somebody had a blog explaining it all in some detail - without any specific numbers for each. Basically it's weighted so acts that contribute most to a victory gain PPI points. Hence goals being weighted high, assists high but a lot less so (an assist is just a key pass without a finish after all) as well as blocks, tackles, conpleted passes. It's all worked out on algorithm on a huge sample.
Yep I figured out most of it myself - but completely underestimated the value attributed to a goal.
Metro get a part of the way round the problem by awarding a starting bonus of 12, and then adding a point every 6 minutes or so.
Here you go Doos:
http://www.getstats.org.uk/2011/11/25/the-ea-sports-player-performance-index-helping-us-to-work-out-which-players-are-best-and-why-2/
It seems to have been done as a purely statistical exercise. I also had a crack at breaking down the relative importance of actions based on the contents of that article:
http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/01/05/fpl-bonus-gameweek-twenty/comment-page-5/#comment-2506941
Morning All,
So - is the reckoning that Santon has now lost his place in the starting XI?
Got 2FTs this week, so I'm reviewing my priorities (one of which is to replace Sorensen). Any thoughts?
Al Habsi - Sorensen
Enrique - Senderos - Evans - Santon - Caulker
Silva - Valencia - Dempsey - Pilkington - Drenthe
RVP - Rooney - Suarez
Hmmmm, very tempted to do
Silva -> Valencia
Ba -> Suarez
Current team is:
Vorm/Schwarzer
Evans/Senderos/Enrique/Richards/Raylor
Siggy/Myaichai/Silva/Demspey/Bale
Ba/RVP/Rooney
Any huge mistakes in there you think might need sorting out before? Cheers!
Seems sensible. No major issues with the rest of the team.
Rushing in Valencia is a mistake IMO. He still isnt guaranteed game time as there is so much competition for wide positions in United's team.
Young for example... Destroyed 2 weeks in a row and got dropped.
Rooney is the only guaranteed starter at the moment
If I was City, the answer 4 the title
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z.....movi%C4%87
10/11 titles !!!
I take back everything I've previously said about Jonny Evans! You little star!
Kind of a strange question, ignoring values and if it had to be from now to the end of the season, which would your prefer:
A: Aguero & Walker
B: Mata & Yaya
A
Without any other info i'd probably say B.
my team: hart, walker, enrique, taylor, williams, bale, dempsey, valencia, rooney, RVP, ba
was thinking ba > aguero or walker and ba to mata and yaya.
this is not FPL as you can probably tell from that team
Is it a Telegraph team? I also do that and would be good to have someone to discuss it with (outside of my mini league) 🙂
its actually a sky sports team but hey we can still discuss! Im currently 132nd overall!!!! Hoping these last few key decisions can win me 30 grand lol
Dammit. My search continues!
132nd sounds mighty good - good luck!
If it was me i'd trade Ba to Ade (which is what i'm doing in FPL this week or next) and keep Walker.
Thought Sinclair might have sneaked a bonus with two assists?
Morning chaps.
I'm thinking of having RVP (c) with Rooney (vc) next week. Who's with me?
Nice one.
Good to see you're back as Fratboy mate - never got used to the last name.
Stuck for transfers this week, but feel like I need to use one. 1FT and 0.9, which one?
A)Ba>Balotelli
B)Young>valencia
C)Senderos>Caulker
Ideally I'd like to do all three but I can only really do one if I'm going to be sensible!
Young > Valencia this week
Ba > Balotelli next week
Senderos > Caulker GW32
Sorted.
