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3 December 2012 1089 comments
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A bitterly cold Monday evening provides the backdrop for a vital Premier league fixture for Alan Pardew’s Newcastle, who are looking to end a run of four straight defeats when they take on Wigan at St James’ Park. In Fantasy terms, there is perhaps limited interest, with Demba Ba still carrying the hopes of some despite scoring just one goal in his last five league appearances. Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is open to cater for those who fancy some real-time banter during tonight’s proceedings.

The team news from the North East finds the home side handing Sylvain Marveaux his first league start of the season; he replaces the suspended James Perch. Pardew’s side are set to lineup up in a 4-2-3-1 formation with Demba Ba presumably leading the attack, although it will be interesting to see how he works with Papiss Cisse in that formation. The visitors also make one change: Roberto Martinez is able to welcome back Gary Caldwell to his defence after injury, with Adrian Lopez dropping to the bench.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Les Bleus
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Good enough for a 4 point hit?
    Mcartney and Britton out for Davies and Puncheon?

    Current team is
    Bego (Foster)
    Enrique Mcartney Clyne Cuellar Gorkss
    Felliani Nolan Mata (Britton) (Bale)
    RVP Berba (Suarez)

    That way I can at least field a decent 11 and hope for the best

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      well no. wait for t wc for that low value transfers imo

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      1. Les Bleus
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        But without those transfers, I will not be able to field a decent 11. Gorkss might not play, neither Mcartney and Britton just just a 2 pt 5th mid

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    2. Paz12
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      No.

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  2. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    News flash# Transfers numbers (NTI) are frozen atm. Don't count on those price rises still. Who knows maybe its glitch again.

    P.S. I wouldn't mind free WC 😛

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    1. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Wouldn't we all 😆

      Good luck everyone! Tonight's points are written in the stars!!!*

      * Depends which horoscope you read and in which newspaper.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Post of t day Isacki. So creative 😀

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      2. thetinkerman
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        "This week will be the week that something happens. It could also be the week where nothing happens. Other people may or may not do something that may or may not make you have some sort of emotional response. Also, Demba Ba will score on the 67th minute."

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          So no one worried about no price changes. Ok. P.S. Stats don't lie. Ba will score tonight

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  3. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    First

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    1. Portuguese&Proud
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      the story of your life 😉

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    2. Hits Magnet
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      soooooooo embarrassing ................ 😛

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  4. Owd Big 'Ed
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Bale, Silva, Suarez all potentially out.

    Mertesacker out too?

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      suarez is not potentially out, he is definately out

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      1. Owd Big 'Ed
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        No, 'all' potentially out.

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    2. Paz12
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Mertesacker out?! What?!

      In a game with no subs and a team with Bale/Suarez/Merte this would be an untold disaster.

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      1. Owd Big 'Ed
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Thought I heard something about him potentially being rested. Maybe not though...

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        1. boro_faithful
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Rested for the CL game mb.

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  5. Fancy Feet
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    To me Gary Neville seems to make a lot of sense in his analyses

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    1. Owd Big 'Ed
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Definitely, he's a top pundit and one of the only ones who says stuff that some punter in your local doesn't.

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      1. Fancy Feet
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Yeah he seems to have great tactical awareness. I would have never thought that about him.

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        1. thetinkerman
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Playing his whole career under Fergie can't have done him any harm.

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    2. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      😀

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    3. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Wanted to hate his analysis. Can't do it though. Best on tv

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    4. Dale Cooper
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Especially if you compare him with Crooks, Jamie Redknapp or Savage. Contrast.

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  6. Clintymints
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    It just sounded like G Neville said dog sh!t

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  7. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Players dropping like flies this week!

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Its cold, they want to stay in the worm and eat some popcorn instead of playing on the ice 😛

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      1. Paz12
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Nothing like being inside a worm.

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        1. Hits Magnet
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          can't beat the worm...

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            lol hahhah 😆

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  8. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Ⓣⓔⓐⓜ Ⓙⓐⓢⓚ
    or
    Ⓣⓔⓐⓜ Ⓑⓔⓖⓞ ?

    I will ask this several times this question cause I've been burnt so many times. Previous week too

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Ⓑⓔⓖⓞ

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        1 vote for Begovic

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    2. Portuguese&Proud
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      i have bego there at the moment

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Bego 2 votes.

        But Liv aren't free scoring atm. They could draw a blank and no Suarez too.

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    3. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Jussi, at home and Suarez aint playing

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        first vote for jask. i am giving him mine too so its 2:2 current score

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    4. Paz12
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Jussi

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        3:2 for Jussi. He changed the score

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        1. Les Bleus
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Jussi

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    5. thetinkerman
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Sell Juusi, play Bego every week. Simple!

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        4:2 for Jussi. Thinkerman I must say I am thinking of selling Jask for 4.0m goalkeeper and play Bego all the time. I always hated this rotation and I still needs to be convinced that it works

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    6. shegull
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Ⓑⓔⓖⓞ

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        4:3 Jask. Damn. My vote aside and we r back to begin.

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  9. Malcolm Tucker for England …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Memo to the wife: when our one year old pulls down the Christmas tree it's not as funny a you think.

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    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 19 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Mmm...we haven't got ours up yet. Child proofing decorations will be a nightmare I reckon.

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      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        He likes the tinsel so decided to take a handful and run off..

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    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      I spent last christmas teaching my nephew to blacken his hands in the fireplace with soot. I found it amusing. His parents did not

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      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        😀

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    3. Damo.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Stick them up on it too lads. Job's a good 'un

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    4. Breadbin
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      It's not just me that thinks the wife is careless with baby safety. A cause of many "debates". My sympathies.

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    5. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      We put it up yesterday. My 2 year old couldnt resist pulling most things off

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    6. CarelessGenius©
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Don't worry....baubles work their way through...

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  10. Whazza
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Robson-Kanu best Reading mid for DGW?

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  11. SpinyNorman [*_*]
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    Ba is my final and only player to play...

    He is also my captain

    Many many goals & assists please Dem Ba.

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    1. The EJJ
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Ballsy

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    2. Spencer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      I wish I hadn't transferred Ba out for Suarez for a hit.

      At least I'm not alone.

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      1. Les Bleus
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Oh you are definitely not alone

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    3. McEwan
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      I need him to do nothing, any returns from him will make my drop down the rankings much worse

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    4. Paz12
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Demba Ba goal, provided my opponent doesn't have him, will win me my H2H in the Super 16 Cup in TFF! Which would be delightful considering I am second highest scorer yet playing top scorer this week, and would keep me in the top five which takes you through to next round after Christmas!

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  12. The Devil Wears Prada
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 2 months ago

    so i have posted this on two pages in the last post, and got one joke response, and asked how to type the same font as my username.. does no one have any ideas what i can do?

    i have 3.5 in the bank and currently looking at nelsen -> baines after this weekend. i don’t know where else to spend the funds. what would you do? team looks like this:

    bego, tremmel
    rafa, nastasic, cuellar, davies, nelsen
    bale, walcott, fellaini, michu, sterling
    rvp, suarez, berba

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    1. The EJJ
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      Crikey, nice team with 3.5 in bank. Maybe Nastasic -> Kompany if you want City defensive coverage?

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      1. The Devil Wears Prada
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        i heard nastasic was only out last week because his wife was pregnant? and for 5.5, he seems a bargain for a city defender. and there's talks about lescott going out on loan in january, so surely means he's even more nailed on

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    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 2 months ago

      berba upgrade?

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      1. The Devil Wears Prada
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        with his price and fixtures, i'm more keen on keeping. the only one i can really see myself getting and being able to afford is tevez, but i don't want the nightmare of rotations

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    3. JT's Dog
        13 years, 2 months ago

        yip baines sounds ok, would even consider a punt on vidic just to be different, everyone in man utd team seems to get points so cant see him not doing it also.
        though wouldnt be bad idea to keep some pounds in case you want to change walcott come his next injury

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        1. The Devil Wears Prada
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          if i go cuellar -> baines and rafa -> jevans, i can upgrade walcott to silva or mata

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          1. JT's Dog
              13 years, 2 months ago

              not a bad option, reckon evans is more secure than rafa anyway. can only see rafa price dropping from now on.
              need to be careful you dont have 4 defenders you want to play every week, can leave hard decision if front players producing

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              1. The Devil Wears Prada
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                well if i get baines, it will be baines, nastasic and rafa/j.evans and have nelsen and davies rotating.

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          2. thetinkerman
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            So he gets one assist and we're back on the Baines wagon? 😉

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            1. The Devil Wears Prada
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              i only just got rid and that's because of his injury he magically shook off. i was never off the baines wagon.

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          3. thetinkerman
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Next thing you know you'll be talking about cross completion and historic chance conversion rates from crosses from the left corner of the penalty area 😆

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          4. Paz12
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Don't do Baines.

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            1. The Devil Wears Prada
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              he is expensive and a luxury player to have, but at the end of the year, he will still be top 3 defenders in terms of pts and i just don't see what else i can do at the moment, and baines uses up all of what is just sitting in my bank.

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        2. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          what about saving it. great team

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          1. The Devil Wears Prada
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            i would, but 3.5 feels a lot to have in the bank. i always thought baines was a season keeper, and i only got rid last week cause i thought he was injured, playing city,and was dropping in price. now i regret taking him out.

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            1. FPL Daniel
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              well never mind t money in the bank. After one week u always change your mind. wait and see. U have almost perfect first 11

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              1. The Devil Wears Prada
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                ya i will definitely wait until this gameweek is over. i just don't know where else to spend the money currently, other than baines. but you are right, there will be some new players to jump on my watchlist after this gw.

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      • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 2 months ago

        Demba ba hattrick, demba ba hattrick, demba ba hattrick....

        If i keep saying it, it will happen,

        Demba ba hattrick, demba ba hattrick, demba ba hattrick....

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        1. Breadbin
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          The only possible saviour of many a gameweek including my own.

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        2. Hits Magnet
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          build it, and they will come 🙂

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        3. JT's Dog
            13 years, 2 months ago

            hat -trick, the gods won't understand if you don't focus

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            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Hopefully they'll get the point 🙂

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        4. Smellbobs
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Evening guys, bets just done.

          £10 FGS Ba
          £5 FGS Gomez

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          1. Breadbin
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Guaranteed money for someone, betting company shareholders long term.

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            1. Smellbobs
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Very pleased to say that over the last 18 months I'm about £100 up.

              That does however include the £100 Paddypower reimbursed me in error. More a bit of fun - an alternative to FF when there's 5 days untl the next deadline!

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              1. Breadbin
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                The only way to bet. Good man.

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              2. Paz12
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                I was £340 up. Now £60 up after losing like 35 bets in a row. Betting is a fickle game.

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          2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Marv first scorer in two nil win.
            And separately (obviously) fig first scorer

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        5. Dale Cooper
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Any news on how long Bale can be out for?

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            1 or 2 games. I think it is 2. Surely missing the weekend IMO

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            1. Dale Cooper
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Hm, him being 3-4 weeks out would make the initial switch to Fellaini easier.

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              1. FPL Daniel
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                in t same boat mate. thinking of selling him for either sess or fellaini

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          2. Mr. Perfectionist
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            1-2 weeks

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          3. Breadbin
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            This sites tweets estimate 1-2 weeks based on AVB's say so.

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          4. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Id say back for after everton. He was able to limp off which means not a complete tear i think. Time to get worried if he pulls up again when he comes back though

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            1. Breadbin
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              You should replace the physio man on this site 😉

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          5. Owd Big 'Ed
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            1-2 weeks. Not sure what AVB is typically like with his injury forecasts.

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        6. Mr. Perfectionist
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Jaask
          Bardsley Enrique Rafael Per Clyne
          Johnson Morrison Fellaini
          Ba RVP
          Bench: Bego Bale Suarez Pablo
          0.2m in the bank

          Ba>Giroud & Pablo>robson-Kanu for a hit or Save FT. Any other suggestions?

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        7. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Everybody ready? Ba plane soon to get off. Fast your seat belts and enjoy it. We wish you pleasant flight. Always fly with Toon Airlines 😀

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          1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Problem is Alan Pardew as navigator. First trip will get you there fine. 2nd trip your going nowhere near your intended destination

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          2. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Injury on the horizon...

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          3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Its flying to man of the match town via goals and assists galore

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          4. The Bandit
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Any airline is better than Virgin... If I get on a plane I want it to go all the way.......

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              1. FPL Daniel
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                its off !!!

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        8. Owd Big 'Ed
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Predictions for tonight's game?

          Newcastle 3-2 Wigan

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          1. Chris_White
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            2-1

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          2. Phaze 1
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            with Ba scoring 3 please

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        9. Screaming Midget
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          I’d say it’s very close between Begovic and Jaask on who to start. Both Stoke & West Ham have the same cleansheet odds and Liverpool will be suarezless.

          So I guess it comes down to how many shots on target you think Liverpool and Villa will have.

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          1. Chris_White
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            i fancy bego simply because i think gerrard will cause wham lots of trouble in his more advanced role

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          2. Owd Big 'Ed
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            I have the same conundrum.

            I'm a Stoke fan and I got my fingers burnt this week when I went for Jussi instead of Begovic. I really can't see us keeping another clean sheet though, maybe it's my pessimism showing through!

            That said, I have Sterling so I'll probably spread the risk and go for Begovic.

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          3. Scroobius Mac
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Who is Villa's current penalty taker? Gerrard is pretty damn good at them still.

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        10. The Bandit
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Bump

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        11. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Come on Demba Ba, remember how much you like Mondays

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19540636

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          1. Evs
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Like Shaun Ryder... 😉 ?

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          2. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            And its offff!!!

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            1. FPL Daniel
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              reply fail. I meant +100

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          3. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season rc…
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Yep you need a big score from BA to haul back Mark`s lead ....... (he won`t mind he`s probably a bit tipsy tonight)

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          4. Phaze 1
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            4 goals coming.

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        12. HarryS
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Who are the must have players so far this season?

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          1. Chris_White
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Fellaini and Michu

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            1. The Bandit
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Bego

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              1. Chris_White
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                Not far off 😉

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            2. CarelessGenius©
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Michu certainly....

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          2. FPLFamily (Lee)
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Fellaini and Bale.

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          3. Jax
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            fellaini
            michu
            suarez

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          4. Owd Big 'Ed
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            I don't think there is one.

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          5. Evs
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Depends on the games.

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          6. Colonel Shoe 肝池
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            as a non rvp owner.........rvp!!

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          7. Leaf
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            The ones with the most points

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          8. Jafalad
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Sterlo (great 5th midfield option); Fell, Michu, Bego and RVP.

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        13. Owd Big 'Ed
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Bale and Suarez out this week.

          Front 8 of:
          Bale, Silva, Fellaini, Sterling, Puncheon
          van Persie, Suarez, Berbatov

          Worth getting rid or keeping Bale / Suarez?

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          1. Chris_White
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            I would keep both

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            1. Owd Big 'Ed
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 2 months ago

              Okay, thanks man. I quite like the idea of getting Michu in or Nolan as they're constant threats every week and (in my opinion) fixture proof.

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              1. Chris_White
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                Well I would do Silva to Michu if he is confirmed out. Not convinced by him...

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              2. Evs
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 2 months ago

                Nolans not fixture proof. Done sweet fa last few weeks since fixture have stiffened up.

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          2. Evs
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            I can add fletcher to that pair of clowns 👿 !!!

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          3. Jafalad
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Keep-you have plenty of coverage. You'll probably have 4 good defensive options this gwk too.

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        14. Portuguese&Proud
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Penalty

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        15. Dynamic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Ba WILL get some attacking points tonight, everything else this gw has gone wrong for me and I sold him last week.

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          1. Bøwstring The Carp
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            He just did 😛

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        16. big oak
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          cisse assist
          ba goal

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        17. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          YES!! BA!

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          1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            10 men...hat trick time! 🙂 🙂 🙂

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        18. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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        19. Bøwstring The Carp
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          Figueroa red card, Demba Ba goal from the penalty, Cisse assisted.

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          1. Evs
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Could be floodgates . . .

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          2. Bøwstring The Carp
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 2 months ago

            Beausejour yellow also

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        20. Phaze 1
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 2 months ago

          So it starts

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