[sbu_large_image] Preamble
19 April 2014 1069 comments
Mark Mark
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Ultimate is a big word and, I have to admit, having tinkered with the Premier League’s new Fantasy game offering I was more than a little skeptical.

Initially I missed the interaction of weekly transfers. I seemed able to absorb injuries and loss of form with some ease, very rarely having to consider thinking outside of my 25-man squad. Equally, I was able to put out a strong XI, leading to me to think that the formula for success was simply to concentrate on the familiar big hitters and pad the squad out with cheap fodder. Most of all, I feared that the robust player template that has somewhat hindered variety in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) this season, would be an even greater obstacle in the Ultimate scenario.

As the season has progressed, however, mounting injuries and suspensions have gradually unlocked new experiences that I’ve rarely seen in other Fantasy games, with new subtle strategies revealing themselves.

I never really thought I’d be watching out for Kenwyne Jones’ points and yet, today, I’m hoping he gets a run-out against his former club in hope he can deliver for my Ultimate lineup. Equally, I’m left pondering just how many defenders to include on my bench to cover myself over the Gameweek and whether Jake Livermore’s combative qualities against Arsenal will see him outscore the cavalier Raheem Sterling at Carrow Road. Suddenly players that have long been redundant in FPL, are real factors in my thinking for the weekend.

It’s Ultimate’s loan system that could just be the killer mechanic. While we’re robbed of free weekly transfers, the ability to loan in players for varied point costs offers the option to freshen things up and replace injured squad members. As mentioned, at first this seems redundant – a few Gameweeks in and it seems you rarely need to look beyond your existing setup. Two months into the season, this view will change dramatically.

In both my Ultimate seasons so far, my injury list has mounted up by seven or eight Gameweeks in, forcing me to consider emergency loans. While at first this seems restrictive – with point costs a considerable barrier – eventually the appeal of dipping into the loan market reveals itself.

While any number of players can be shipped in as part of a loan agreement, you can only have one agreement in place at once. In addition, the longer you loan in a player, the cheaper he costs and the more value you can potentially extract from them. Both elements are crucial to the strategy of playing the loan market. Both seem skillfully designed and may just be the key to making Ultimate a major pull to the dedicated Fantasy manager.

I’m sitting here this morning with Eden Hazard and Yaya Toure both laid low – the need to bring in some loan replacements is obvious. The trick, however, is not so much to identify the targets but to consider just how much I pay for their services before I recall both Hazard and Toure. I have to consider when they will be back to fitness and when their services will be preferred to the players I’m loaning in. I also have to be sure that, if I agree a long-term agreement today, I’m not going to regret that a week from now and be boxed in. I can only have one agreement in place, so settle on a four-Gameweek term for players today and I’m forced to cancel this agreement and lose those points should I need further loans during that spell. These are avenues I’ve never been asked to explore in other Fantasy games, not least FPL. It’s demanding but it feels good to be applying new areas of the grey matter to my Saturday Fantasy thinking.

Equally, the fears over the template squad are somewhat dispelled by the loan system. The players I can bring in can be effective differentials – Christian Eriksen was selected by under 4% of Ultimate players in their initial squads, which is no surprise given his form at the time. Those who loan him now are certain to get an edge, knowing that those who wish to cover this will have to pay points – up to ten, if they are to benefit from his close season form.

Eriksen has scored 49 points over his last four Gameweeks – if I spend ten points on loaning him in until Gameweek 38, will he pay that back with dividends and outscore the player he replaces? This is a far easier decision when he’s replacing the injured Toure, but I ask myself whether I’d be brave enough to start using loans to replace active but out-of-form members of my squad.

That strategy offers a route for a whole new “maverick” Fantasy manager. They will have the option to back their talent to hit form players as a method of closing in on those who perhaps were able to construct strong squads with their initial selections. The mini-league leaders will be there to be shot at, reluctant to spend points to replace active players, while those chasing can play the loan system to find differentials and hope to close in.

My failing FPL season has undoubtedly allowed me to focus on Ultimate in the past month. I’m not sure how comfortable I’ll be should they compete for my attention in equal measure. I do know that Ultimate brings something new to the table – I’m making new decisions, toying with new strategies and looking out for Kenwyne Jones. Believe it or not, that feels good.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Willis.
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    11 years, 11 months ago

    Is Silva gonna play

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    1. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
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      Probably.

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      1. jmcclory123
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        "David Silva and Jesus Navas remain injured for the moment," - Pellegrini

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    2. jmcclory123
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Pellegrini specifically named him in his injury list along with Yaya Toure. The likelihood of Silva playing is minimal.

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      1. Mark
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        • 19 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Certainly I couldn't find a predicted lineup in yesterday's press that included him. I still think there's chance that Pellegrini will patch him up though.

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        1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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          11 years, 11 months ago

          i wouldnt be surprised if he played 20 mins, but id be surprised if he started......... it would also mean pelle is turning into moyes

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        2. Evs
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          • 16 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          I have him, and even I think youre being a tad optimistic 🙂

          If it wasn't for the impending double I would have offloaded him today.

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          1. Mark
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            • 19 Years
            11 years, 11 months ago

            I can't see him getting the double though Evs. He won't be over the ankle injury - it may need an op - just can't see him doing the back-to-back matches in GW37. Title could be gone by then, too.

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            1. Cheggers
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 11 months ago

              i've kept silva and this is my issue too - might just trade him out for Mata and get a city defender instead

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            2. Evs
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              • 16 Years
              11 years, 11 months ago

              Very true, I suppose. Sigh.

              When you see Granny next please ask him to lift his curse from me 😆

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        3. jmcclory123
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          11 years, 11 months ago

          The FPL website themselves have deemed him 25% probable. It depends on the risk you're willing to take; It's difficult to see him play a full 90 mins none the less.

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        4. Grumpy Camel
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          extra day has to help. May be playing funny buggers with mart

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    3. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I say no....but in reality it's 50/50.

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    4. SneakyPete
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      11 years, 11 months ago

      How can he play when he is not even training

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        He trained with the first team squad y'day.

        http://www.mcfc.co.uk/citytv/City-Today/2014/April/City-Today-18-April-2014

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        1. Alberto Tomba
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          In trainers only though said AB.

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    5. I Am Nobody
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Play safe, Suarez (C)

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      1. jmcclory123
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Not if ur looking to catch ML rivals

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  2. dillydally1982
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Start Oscar or Mirallas (not sure Oscar will start for Chelsea, save him for Champs League)?

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    1. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Oscar.

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    2. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Mirallas, can score even if he make a sub appearance

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    3. Grumpy Camel
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      oscar surely

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  3. Woy of the Wovers
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Let's try again. Coleman > Kosc/Azpil or save FT?

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    1. rdpx
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I thought you had already had replies to this?

      I would save it but then I have had Coleman since GW1

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      1. Woy of the Wovers
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        My bad. Thought it was stranded on the last thread.

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  4. Luis Suarez Ate My Homework
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    For all of us suckers who jumped on the Silva train following Yaya's injury... is it wise to jump ship? Is he definitely out? Would be sad to make yet another change to Nasri and City draw 1-1 because their form is rubbish.

    My team is as follows:

    Cech (Mannone)
    Ward Coleman Skrtel (Shaw Collins)
    Lallana Mirallas Gerrard Silva (Johnson)
    Dzeko Lukaku Suarez (C)

    Thinking of downgrading Silva to Puncheon and upgrading Dzeko to Aguero for a total of -8.

    Looking to gain some traction for a respectable finish in my ML.

    Thoughts, opinions and insults are welcome.

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    1. Grumpy Camel
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      your bench is solid, i wouldn't take another hit

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      1. Luis Suarez Ate My Homework
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        My bench sucks. It's not Adam Johnson, but some no name from AVL. Collins never plays and Shaw who've kept 1 clean sheet in 5 and haven't won their last two games.

        Plus, Dzeko prob. won't play.

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  5. Lawrø
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    What's the likelihood of Kolarov starting?

    I'm considering Kolarov --> Koscielny (-8)

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    1. Jude Rooney
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Kolarov will start

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    2. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I wouldn't.

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    3. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I've captained him.... although I rarely don't these days 😉

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      1. Lawrø
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Haha good luck!

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    4. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      well kosc will likely reapy that over the final 4..... kolarov is too flaky to own for the run in imo

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      1. Lawrø
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        That's my thought process, and if he doesn't play I'll either have Olsson against Liverpool or Turner who may not start...

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    5. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      60-40in his favour. opinion based on it being a monday home game

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      1. Lawrø
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        I don't like those odds, I'm inclined to think get won't start, last time he played they conceded twice to Sunderland, I think it speaks volumes that Pellegrini played Clichy in the big game this week, now every games a big game. Clichy to start...

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  6. FAITHNOMORENO
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    punted on aguero C,catching the ML leader a few weeks now.
    hope luis does not backslap me.

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  7. Jude Rooney
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    On holiday in Florida - Skygo doesn't work - any way to watch Spurs on iPad?

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    1. @ocprodigy
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      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Use a VPN, although it may be on state TV?

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      1. Jude Rooney
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Not in my hotel - will watch Chelsea in a bar later but can't be bothered to go out at 7.45 for Spurs albeit the English bars will be open for breakast

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    2. Luis Suarez Ate My Homework
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      livetv(dot)ru... great for any streaming. also rojadirecta

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      1. Jude Rooney
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers

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      2. Jude Rooney
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Will they work on iPad or will I need to download something?

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  8. @ocprodigy
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    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Last call for Scout Picks Challenge!
    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/comment/7177226

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  9. El Reagano
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Lads Boruc or Adrian?
    Distin or Chester?

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    1. jmcclory123
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Boruc and Distin

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      1. El Reagano
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        cheers was leaning that way

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  10. zee303
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Both of my rivals have taken 8 point hits this week so i did the same.

    It might not look the best for this gameweek but hopefully it will pay off in the long run??

    Dzeko > Aguero
    Yaya > Mata
    Snodgrass > Ramsey

    How does it look for this week?

    Boruc
    Skrtl, Coleman, Azpillcueta
    Ramsey, Mata, Silva, Eriksen
    Suarez (c), Lukaka, Aguero (vc)

    Mannone, Bacuna, Collins, Olsson

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    1. Jafooli
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Looks good.....bench ain't the best, but no great worries

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  11. Jafooli
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Present o/

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    1. Cheeseoid
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Not Present o\

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      1. Jafooli
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        😯 😛

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      2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        looks like youve dislocated your shoulder

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  12. DannyBoy33
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Sturridge to Rooney worth a -4?

    Alternative is Punch off the bench!

    Cheers!

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    1. Jafooli
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Play Punch....

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    2. Your Mum Zohore
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Thinking of doing the same move

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    3. Sloopy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Punch will do just fine. Get Rooney for free next week.

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    4. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      play puncheon

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    5. DannyBoy33
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Cheers all, Punch it is!

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  13. Belli2007
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Are most people gambling on Silva playing?

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    1. jmcclory123
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      He won't play 90mins!

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    2. Jafooli
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I am...Puncheon first sub....

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    3. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I haven't - the way I see it, I think he could still play on Monday but his double Gameweek appeal could be dead as a result of the injury. I can't see him getting both fixtures in GW37.

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      1. Evans
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        The same with yaya

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  14. Pitch Invasion
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Coleman & mirallas > Cahill & mata

    For 4pt hit?

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      no

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    2. EmreCan Hustle
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Good transfers imo.

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  15. EmreCan Hustle
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I'm playing Mata, should I...

    A. Still start Coleman

    Or

    B. Start Demel instead and bench Coleman?
    (Have Terry and Cahill as my other 2 defenders)

    Thanks

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  16. Dušan Citizen
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    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Should I play Chester or Smalling over Distin or Vlaar?

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  17. Belli2007
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Just contemplating the switch to Nasri for -4. Does free up 1m for upgrading Lukaku to roopig next week.

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    1. Belli2007
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Sorry, should have been in response to the above. Also have Collins and Dann, always favour home defence but not sure whether Collins will start so is Dann the better option?

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  18. mutatedllama
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I have Silva and my first sub is Collins (then Colback). Is it worth taking a hit to get Zaba in for Collins and play him in place of Distin?

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    1. Kane Toads
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I took a hit and got Mata in (I have Zab) - I think Zab will be worth it - what about a swap to Nasri or Eriksen? I have done -12pts in hits this week (Yaya, Silva, Haz and Sturridge to Gerrard, Eriksen, Mata and Aguero).

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      1. mutatedllama
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks. I'm unsure about transferring Silva out because of the impending DGW. Is the general consensus that he won't play both games in the DGW? If so it may be worth transferring him out (I would go for Nasri).

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        1. Kane Toads
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          That was my worry - the starts in the DGW. Now I have Mata (also DGW) and have cash to bring in Rooney for the DGW.

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  19. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    if silva does magicly play this i think it rules him out of the villa game in the dgw. if he doesn't play this he stands a chance of the villa game with the extended rest but misses this beauty.
    in the words of duncan bannatyne i'm out

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      *oot

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    2. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I'm in, but only because I've already invested.

      Balls.

      Hate 2014.

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        This

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    3. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I got nasri -4 last night for that exact reason. I want players that are gonna play every game from here on in and don't think you can say that about silva.

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    4. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Milner and Nasri ftw

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  20. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    anyone lookin at villa players for thier dgw....?

    considerin vlaar/delph as cheeky punts

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      no benteke no party.

      seriously though i don't view it as a double gameweek for any of the non manchester teams. defenders especially

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        prob right, just with my no man u rule, i have to go begging elsewhere

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  21. John Easten
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Good to go GW35....

    http://imgur.com/SHxtcIi

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      As long as you trust the Scout picks

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  22. Grubby
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Sturridge to Aguero for -8?

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      ja

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  23. Your Mum Zohore
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Guys, which option should I go with:

    A. Strruidge + Yaya => Rooney + Ramsey
    B. Strruidge + Yaya => Aguero + Eriksen

    Thanks guys!

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    1. Grubby
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      A

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  24. Evans
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Lol .....Suarez is set to rise ..... Where have these people been

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  25. JayCee
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Ok, Hazard, Yaya, and Silva, who to ship out? Silva seems closest to returning next week

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      yaya

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    2. nashi
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Drop Yaya. Next in the line is Hazard, but if you haven't sold him so far, might consider keeping. Def. keep Silva.

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  26. Tsssst
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Worth replacing Puncheon with Mata /Gerrard / Salah or Schurrle for a 4 point hit?

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    1. nashi
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      no

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  27. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    goodbye baines..........hello cahill

    a transfer sponsored by groove armada

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  28. # Young Gun SEAMUS #
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    play Snodgrass or take Nasri for (-4)

    or Save Transfer

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  29. nashi
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    play Howard (MU) or Marshall (STO) ??

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      marshall

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  30. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Good read, great summing up of UFPL . Should put the cat amongst the pigeons on this site next season.

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