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28 July 2014 2089 comments
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West Brom boss Alan Irvine continued to restructure his first-team squad for the season ahead with the acquisition of Andre Wisdom on a season-long loan deal from Liverpool:

The 21-year-old is the sixth player to arrive at The Hawthorns since Irvine took the helm earlier this summer and, as the new manager admitted, his adaptability affords the Baggies options at the back:

“I’m delighted to welcome Andre to the club. I’ve spoken to Brendan Rodgers, who I’ve known for a very long time and who I trust implicitly. He said Andre would do a good job for us. That was reassuring. He’s a versatile lad. He’s played as a right-back for Liverpool in the Premier League last season, he also played as a full-back for Derby. He grew up as a centre-back and played on the left side of central defence for Liverpool against Preston on Saturday.”

The History

Yorkshire-born Wisdom started his career with Bradford City’s youth team before being snapped up by Liverpool at the age of 14. After progressing through the Merseysiders’ youth system, he was finally afforded a senior debut by Brendan Rodgers in 2012/13 and, after playing 22 times across all competitions, scoring once and chipping in with a pair of assists, was farmed out on loan to Derby County in October 2013.

Utilised exclusively as a right-back by Steve McLaren, Wisdom was nailed-on for the Championship outfit. Serving up a trio of assists over 37 appearances, he helped The Rams to the Wembley Play-Off Final against QPR back in May, where, despite dominating for much of the match, they fell to a 1-0 defeat.

At international level, Wisdom has represented England at every youth level, from Under-16 to Under-21, on a total of 37 occasions and has found the net three times.

The Prospects

A peripheral figure at Anfield, the move has immediately brought Wisdom onto Fantasy managers’ radars due to his budget price-tag across the Fantasy games. Available for a mere 4.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) and 5.2 in the Sky Sports Fantasy game, there’s a hope that the youngster could cement a starting berth for The Baggies as Irvine looks to improve upon a dire previous season which saw the club finish just three points clear of the drop zone.

Handed a start at right-back on his debut against Sacramento Republic at the weekend, Wisdom played the full 90 minutes in a 3-1 win as Irvine’s side triumphed for the fourth successive outing this summer. Whilst Fantasy suitors will be delighted with his start, the imminent arrival of Costa Rican international defender Cristian Gamboa suggests that Wisdom faces a real battle for the right-back berth as Irvine looks to strengthen following the departures of Billy Jones and Steven Reid over the summer.

However, with the 4.0-priced Chris Baird also offering an option in central midfield and right-back, the situation is far from clear right now. Whilst Irvine has cited the youngster’s versatility as key, The Baggies are not short of alternatives in central defence – new boy Joleon Lescott is favourite to get the nod after quitting champions City for the Midlands, whilst Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson and Craig Dawson are also in the mix.

Intriguingly, though, the local press reckon that the incoming Gamboa could be earmarked for an occasional role on the right of midfield. Pacier than Wisdom, he was used as a wing-back during Costa Rica’s recent World Cup campaign and could offer more from an attacking point of view – certainly, if such a scenario transpires, he could well be the best option from Irvine’s defence.

Certainly, five of West Brom’s first six home fixtures (SUN, EVE, BUR, CPL, NEW) suggest defensive returns could be on the cards, thus strengthening their appeal as cheap rotation options. Wisdom, undoubtedly, has the potential to be a very budget-friendly FPL option for the season ahead, though with a number of ifs and buts still surrounding the Baggies’ likely back-four, Fantasy managers may be best keeping a keen eye on Irvine’s intentions before acquiring the youngster with any degree of conviction.

Further Reference

Andre Wisdom Wikipedia

Andre Wisdom Transfer Markt Page

Andre Wisdom You Tube Highlights

Andre Wisdom First West Brom Interview

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  1. meltedman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Hi guys, how's this looking? Haven't really looked at fixtures/rotation at all yet.

    Krul Mannone
    Shaw BDavies Cameron Chester Vlaar
    Sanchez Hazard Sigurdsson Kightly Albrighton
    RVP Sturridge Wickham

    0.5 spare.

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  2. Bobby_Baggio
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    got 1 vote on each so need more advice

    Which would you go for

    A) 3-4-3

    Fab, Silva, Eriksen, Sig
    Dzeko, Giroud, Roopig

    OR

    B) 3-5-2

    Fab, Silva, Eriksen, Mata, Sig
    Giroud, Roopig

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    1. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      A

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    2. penguinsofdeath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I'm so tempted by 3-5-2 but 3-4-3 is a proven formation that works time after time

      Can't help thinking that everyone who gambles on 3-5-2 will be trying to work out how to get back to 3-4-3 once a few strikers hit form

      There are going to be some good strikers this season and there is a good chance that a few will be bargains, you need to be set up to jump on board

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    3. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      A with Mata

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    4. meltedman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Mata over Dzeko for me

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  3. Ksimparomenos
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    2 spots not decided yet....please some thoughts?

    Fabregas, Ramsey, Mata, Siggy, xxx

    Rooney, Diego Costa, xxx

    a) De jong + long/bojan/crouch

    b) Giroud + 4.5 mid

    c) Dzeko + 4,5 mid

    d) Eriksen / Lamela + 5.0 forward

    e) other please specify for 13mil

    thanks

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    1. Misunderstood Genius
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      C

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  4. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    It's kinda funny, if there was an unlimited transfer budget I reckon there would be less of a template team than with the 100mil

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    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      This place would be anarchy 😀 😀

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  5. Annie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Is anyone considering Rooney and RVP for first few games?

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    1. Misunderstood Genius
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Both? No.

      But one of them yes 😉

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      1. Annie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        and...

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    2. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Considering it, but think I might just go with RVP-Dzeko until Charity Shield suggests otherwise

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    3. The Chosen One...
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Yep, looking for a differential to get off to a good start

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  6. Test Eagles
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Is Wickham nailed, surely be in the mix after the strong finish to last season and a pretty solid pre-season.

    But, with Fletcher back ... who knows.

    Thoughts?

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Sunderland forwards haven't crossed my mind.

      🙂

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  7. Djerbil
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Can I get a RMT??

    Krul Mannone
    Shaw Debuchy Huth Cahill Targett
    Siggy Silva Ramsey Hazard 4.5m
    Rooney Dzeko Austin

    planning to go 4-4-2/4-3-3 for the first couple of weeks

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    1. NapalmDeath (Northern Chaos…
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Too much money in your defence. Trim some and upgrade Austin for a 3-4-3

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    2. Champ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I would advise trying to get mata in if you can

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      1. Djerbil
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Mata in place of Hazard/Silva/Ramsey??

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  8. Shaw must go on
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    hi everyone,is the new planet of apes a good flick???

    Can i have some opinion on this team,please....

    ddg,myhill
    Targett,jose enrique,cahill,B.Davies,duff

    Eriksen/lamela,Hazard,Sanchez,Siggy,taylor-fletcher

    Pelle,Dzeko,Rooney

    0.5 left in the bank 🙂

    What should i change??? thank you in advance...

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    1. Wirtzle Gummidge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Best film I have seen all year.

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    2. Champ
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Apparently it is very good. And based on a true story 😉

      For your team....well....start with Jose Enrique to phil jones...

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  9. teddy.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Wassup!

    Check-in:

    Krul Guzan
    Filipe Azpilicueta Shaw Debuchy STaylor
    Sanchez Fabregas Sidwell Sigurdsson Elmohamady
    Rooney Giroud Dzeko

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    1. saata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I really like the Chelsea double-up in defense!

      Good midfield rotation with Stoke and Swansea. Are you sure Sidwell will start?

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      1. saata
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Maybe Bojan a better rotation option at same price?

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        1. KujaliaFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          Bojan is a forward.

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          1. saata
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 4 months ago

            Yep.
            Rotation that relies on formation change each week.

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        2. teddy.
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          Had considered exactly that, but Sidwell has 3 goals in 6 games vs Villa. Also more alternatives - if Bojan drops out there aren't many forward options at 5.5.

          Looking at Chelsea's defensive record, United's fixtures and Debuchy all round, it just seems that 5.5 and 6.0 defenders offer far more promise than midfielders at the same price...

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          1. saata
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 4 months ago

            Completely agree with you. My strategy this season as well.
            In fact, currently my team relies on rotation between Siggy and Pieters (respectively 3-4-3 vs 4-3-3).
            My other 3 defenders are Luis, Debuchy and Davies.

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    2. Misunderstood Genius
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Wouldn't be my cup of tea

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    3. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Downgrade Debuchy. You don't need to spend all your cash just because it is there - your defence can be trimmed significantly and if necessary just save the rest.

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  10. hazza44
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Why combo to get more points?

    A.) Hazard & Bony/Pelle
    Or
    B.)Erikson & Costa

    Thanks guys

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    1. Djerbil
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      A with Bony

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  11. crazyasianac
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    hey guys
    1) hazard, giroud, pelle
    2) fabregas/mata, sturridge, weimann
    I already have rooney, so im leaning towards fabregas if option 2, but i'm currently going with 1. Thoughts?

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  12. Spoox777
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    RMT please.

    Team 2 (A)

    Krul / Mannone

    Debuchy / Ward / Shaw / Lovren / Vlaar

    Sanchez / Fabregas / Sigurdsson / Eriksen / Albrighton

    Remy / Dzeko / Rooney

    (I want to transfer Remy £7.5m. I don't have any other money so who else is worth looking at for £7.5m? Don't fance Pelle)

    Team 2 (A)

    Krul / Mannone

    Debuchy / Ward / Shaw / Lovren / Vlaar

    RAMSEY / Fabregas / Sigurdsson / Eriksen / Albrighton

    Remy / Dzeko / Rooney

    (Sanchez to Ramsey (would prefer to keep Sanchez though) frees up £1.5m + transfer Remy gives me £9m. Who's worth looking at? Bony?)

    Any ideas? Thank you

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    1. Spoox777
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      * Should say Team 2 (B) sorry

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    2. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      So basically
      A) Ramsey + Bony/Giroud
      or
      B) Sanchez + Remy

      I would have to say A.

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      1. Spoox777
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Thought about Giroud but already have Sanchez/Ramsey & Debuchy. No need for 3 Arsenal.

        So yeah it's really either:

        Sanchez + £7.5m forward
        or
        Ramsey + Bony

        If i go Ramsey & Giroud would need to change Debuchy for a £5.5m Defender. Any ideas?

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    3. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      You could have both Sanchez AND Bony if you just trimmed a bit from your defence. Downgrade Debuchy to Wisdom and you instantly have 1.5m more to play with, plus he rotates well with Vlaar.
      Then Lovren ➡ Luis and you can have Sanchez & Bony.

      You're welcome.

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      1. FPL Touches
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        There's no point having a 5.5m defender sitting on the bench every week, Wisdom and Vlaar can do that.

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      2. Spoox777
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Thank you for the help 🙂

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  13. Bielsa's Bucket
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Who do you assume will get least amount of minutes out of these 4

    a) Rooney £££
    b) Giroud ££
    c) Bojan £
    d) Diego Costa £££

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    1. SW6
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      C

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    2. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      C

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    3. Djerbil
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      C

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    4. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      C, then D.

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  14. thesham01
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Word with the West Brom fans and media is that Gamboa will play on the wing, ahead of Wisdom on the pitch. Both give WC defensive stability.

    Thoughts?

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    1. thesham01
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      WC = WB

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  15. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone think Rémy could end up at Everton?

    £9mil seems like a Martinez-esque deal, with Everton being able to offer him European football. Perhaps Lukaku coming back on loan with an option to buy? However I see Lukaku going to Wolfsburg/Schalke

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  16. @ocprodigy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    I'm beginning to worry. Jovetic has great form, Aguero isn't in training for awhile still. Dzeko I still think isn't nailed on, but could Jovetic be City's new revelation? That and if I remove Aguero I'll never be able to afford him again.

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    1. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Keep Aguero then, or at least preserve some funds.

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      1. @ocprodigy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Looking the smart option atm. I just wish pre-season gave us more insight but Arsenal vs City may do I guess.

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        1. FPL Touches
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          It is surprisingly easy this year to build a good team that is still under-budget, worth taking advantage of. I have 2.5m ITB affording me a switch to almost any player in the game.

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    2. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Dzeko just joined training that's why

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      1. @ocprodigy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        I know but I don't expect him to be selected over either Jovetic or Aguero. Hmm.

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  17. Ksimparomenos
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    a) any fears that diego costa could be benched or early substituted for legend Drogba?

    c) Do you think that Giroud would miss the first match as the press claims that he is to resume training on august 11th?

    c) Do you think man city's opening fixtures are hard enough and should avoid dzeko from the off?

    thanks

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    1. Ksimparomenos
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I meant b and then c 🙂

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  18. Irish Madridista ⭐
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Said it before, I'll say it again.

    Jovetic = Suarez 2.0 😉

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    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Is he injured ?

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      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Jovetic? Nope, impressed in a friendly too I'm hearing.

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        1. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          Yeah he was brill...couldn't work out why they took him off when he was on a hat trick..

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  19. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Nothing to do with footy..just a post..It was a hundred years ago today since the outbreak of WW1...a war that killed millions...What a shameful waste on all sides...

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    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      War never changes.

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Sadly not...

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    2. SW6
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Was in Sarajevo on the 100 year after Archduke Ferdinand was assinated, some really interesting stuff on it. Fascinating city too.

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        It's a great subject...we only ever hear the version sold to the British public at the time to justify Britain going to war with Germany.....a bit odd when it was a Serb shooting an Austrian...

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    3. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Agreed.

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  20. Bobby Zamora
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    RMT:

    Krul / Mannone

    Filipe Luis / B.Davies / Vlaar / Cameron / Wisdom

    Hazard / Mata / Ramsey / De Jong / Wanyama

    Rooney / Giroud / Dzeko

    Any tips? Cheers

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  21. The Sarjeant
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    I think I need some Leicester coverage, because they won the Championship last season.

    Money no issue who would you rather have? Sanchez or Knockaert?

    I have Baines, Krul and Chamakh so I'm leaning towards Sanchez, but I might go for Knockaert instead because Sanchez plays my defender Lescott in GW27.

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    1. Saniul
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      But Knockaert plays your defender Demel in GW23? Isn't that a problem?

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Oh no! My teams ruined now!

        Guess I'll have to settle for 2nd place 🙁

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    2. FPL Touches
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      nockhard is the best get nockhard stop being silly with sannches.

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  22. Saniul
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Cook and Bell score centuries in the Southampton test.

    Liverpool sign both.

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    1. Heydudes13
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Cook didn't score a century.

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      1. Saniul
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Sorry, Ballance.

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        1. Irish Madridista ⭐
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          I thought it was Gibbs..

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  23. Cristi@no R7
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Hazard + mata

    or

    Fab + Sanchez

    Have Rooney Dzeko Giroud....!

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    1. Ksimparomenos
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      fab + mata and use money elsewhere

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    2. Coot
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Fab

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    3. Spoox777
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Fab + Sanchez

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  24. enrico.palazzo
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Courtois (4M)
    Baines - Wilson - Davies
    Mata - siggy - hazard - Sanchez - snodgrass
    Costa - dzeko

    Naylor, Baird, Zamora

    Power mid

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    1. The Hindu Monkey
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I quite like this. All bases covered in truth bar the odd 9/10m personal pref. I personally wouldn't have Baines as I think two 5.5 defenders will score more than him and a 4m one. But I wouldn't argue the point strongly.

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      1. enrico.palazzo
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks mate, which 2 5.5's would you recommend? I just like having baines and Davies every week, with one rotating defended

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        1. The Hindu Monkey
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          I'd look at Arsenal or Utd, especially at the start. Or get Luis/Aspi in and upgrade one the other three to somebody who might get the odd assist. I quite like Baird, I think he's flown under the radar a bit and might pop up with the odd goal. But Wilson and Naylor are dead weight.

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  25. Jebiga
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    I just hope like last year to have Yaya all season 😀

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    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      It can easily be done, just don't transfer him out.

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    2. Saniul
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Don't jinx it.;)

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  26. The Sarjeant
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    I don't know why people keep posting RMT's. They all look the same as every other one that gets posted on here, and each user who comments just suggests ideas to make your team more like there's.

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    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      *theirs.

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      1. @ocprodigy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        Which is why I've moved to simply asking certain questions. This site creates templates.

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        1. The Sarjeant
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          Same, I either ask questions or post my team for people to drool over.

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    2. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      Not everyone spends as much time on here looking at them all as we do Sarj.. So it's not all as obviously similar.

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        I'm hardly on here 😉

        But they can easily just scroll through a few pages quickly.

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    3. OShaughnessy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      I think you should change comments to suggestions.

      Then swap out team for squad in GW3...

      Finally, drop RMT's & get Siggy or maybe Arny.

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  27. sinik
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    will Chambers even get a lot of playing time? will he be back up to Debuchy?

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    1. Saniul
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      He is a backup RB, CB and DM, exactly in Wenger's words.

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      1. sinik
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 4 months ago

        interesting haha, sounds like a nightmare to own..maybe he'll cement a spot at DM since it seems the Khedira move has fallen through

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        1. Saniul
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 4 months ago

          He is nowhere a FPL prospect, it is just a good feeling for an Arsenal fan that we are building well, and buying well.

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  28. avolaris
    • 11 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Here is my team at the moment, can i have some opinions please.

    De gea, Myhill
    Shaw, Filipe Luis, Davis, Moore, Vlaar
    Silva, Hazard, Eriksen, Sigurdsson, Albrighton
    Rooney, Sturridge, Weimann

    I’ll be playing a 3-4-3 formation.

    I've been thinking of making some adjustments as i have 0.5mill remaining,
    Lamela for Eriksen (depending on who will being playing behind the striker)
    Silva for nasri (i will keep nasri if he gets game time)
    I am not sure who too have as a third striker for weimann or whether too keep him

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  29. The Machine
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Buttler survives. Very, very lucky

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    1. Saniul
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      You guys will anyway get to 500 and declare.

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    2. getfunky
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      yeah that was out, he'll go & score 50 off 30 balls now... not that i'm complaining

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  30. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 4 months ago

    Chambers signs for Arsenal.

    Sure starter? Surely not!

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    1. Djerbil
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 4 months ago

      no back up initially

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