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There was plenty of Christmas cheer this week as our members articles and tables offered some tasty statistical treats for high spenders and Scrooges alike. Speaking of Scrooge, there were more than a few cries of “bah, humbug” in our hot topics as the community braced itself for some unwelcome festive rotation. This week has also seen the Scout Picks team take on their highest ranked Community Champion competitor yet and we find out just why one half of our Scoutcast team, in particular, was full of festive spirit.

The Community Articles

Triggerlips won the right to represent the community for the Boxing Day fixtures in the Scout Picks following a close Gameweek 18 Community Champion vote. As our updated Hall of Fame showed, he is the highest achieving community member the Scouts have yet faced.

Meanwhile, we brought you news of a festive break from the Scout Pick Champions Vote. To help us keep up with the busy schedule we are reverting back to the old single Scout Pick method for Gameweeks 19 and 20. Normal service will resume in Gameweek 21.

Following a rare triple blank for The Puntmaster in Gameweek 17, he’s hoping for a better showing from his trio of options for Boxing Day. He also revealed details of a special Christmas competition for budding punters.

Elsewhere, The 3rd Turd delved deep into captaincy statistics to find out if a premium price tag really does translate into a premium point score.

Don’t forget, if you’ve got some analysis, scout reports or features brewing, be sure to visit our community section to submit your article.

The Hottest Topics

Boxing Day is likely to bring further team sheet surprises and there are more to come over the festive schedule, according to our Christmas rotation horror stories discussion. Among the most unlucky managers in years gone by was Snotgrass, who last Christmas earned zero points for his non-playing captain Yaya Toure and vice captain Wayne Rooney.

Normally Parm is another who fears further rotation. His visit to the ghost of Christmas past turned up these interesting statistics about the pitch time some of our key players have enjoyed in previous years. For JimBobMu, Gameweek 17’s hero Pablo Zabaleta is a shoo-in for a rest at some point. There were plenty more names in the frame for rotation in our round-up of the safest and most at-risk players on Boxing Day.

Doosra dropped by with a Christmas premonition and a sack full of statistics showing that Alexis Sanchez is in dire need of a rest. The downturn in his attacking output has certainly been a worry for the Arsenal midfielder’s owners in recent weeks.

Sticking with the Gunners, Bubz had their defender Per Mertesacker in his sights. The German may be a World Cup winner but his recent performances have been nothing short of shocking, says our community regular. There were also plenty of community members gunning for Diego Costa this week after his disappointing Gameweek 17 blank. StephenL15 was among those to chip in later on and reveal ditching the Chelsea striker in Gameweek 8 catapulted him from 159,000th to 149th in the overall rankings

Fortunes Always Smiling was full of festive nostalgia as he invited the community to look back at the season’s highs and lows so far and Normally Parm revealed just how deep an obsession with Fantasy Football can get, when you start to look forward to Boxing Day matches more than Christmas Day itself.

The Members Tables

Attacking midfielders is the focus of The Hut’s latest Table. If you sort by the last four Gameweeks some surprising stars of yesteryear are revealed near the summit.

Further up the pitch Di-can-i-o Di-can-i-o has been looking at forwards and their goal shooting accuracy, while Vimanas has combined the best of both worlds looking at shot accuracy for both midfielders and attackers.

If you’re a member and are yet to get to grips with the custom statistics tables, you can view this movie for an explanation of how they work. Also, remember to tag them so that people can find the tables with ease.

The Community Leagues

The Tinkerman was replaced at the summit of the FFScout moderators and contributors league by myself following Gameweek 17. But the real story of the league was Granville’s ascent. He climbed to ninth, controversially narrowing the gap with his Scoutcast co-host Mark to just two points going into tomorrow’s matches.

In many of our other prominent community leagues it was business as usual going into the Boxing Day fixtures, with Ciaran Lamont continuing to lead the Puffinboy Memorial Cup, Adam Johnson remaining top of the FFS Dead Zone league and Dan Clark sitting pretty at the summit of the FFS Old Farts Club, a league for our more senior community members.

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  1. Chelsea Dagger
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Any thoughts on who will fall off the suspension tightrope tomorrow?

    I'm going with Skrtel, YYT, and one of the Stoke blokes.

    1. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Yyt would be sweet

    2. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      so many players on 4 yellows, there is bound to be some suspensions for the weekend

    3. Wonderful Wizard Hazard
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Keep drinking and Keep The Blue Flag Flying High!

  2. Randy_Marsh
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    One more time Costa -> Giroud FT ?

    Yay or Nay

    1. Tiki-Taka
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Nay

    2. Oz lotto
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      No

    3. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Nay

    4. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Peer pressure says no
      Risk takers say yes
      This game is so much more fun when you dont own Costa 😆

    5. walkman666
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Nay

  3. TheOneAndOnly
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Who to start?

    A) Wisdom (MCI) clean sheet odds 11/2
    B) Wasilewski (TOT) clean sheet odds 7/2

    1. Willis.
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Wisdom

      1. TheOneAndOnly
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Whatchu talkin' bou' Willis

        1. Willis.
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          ?

    2. Oz lotto
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Wasilewski

    3. Jay_
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Wisdom has the chance of pinging a cross in the box lucky assist I would play him

  4. Billy Ketsu
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Good morning Boxing Day Dead Zone. I hope everyone enjoyed their Christmas and isn't feeling too bad today.

    1. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      G'day billy. Just eaten an entire box of lindt balls so not feeling great

      1. Atwood
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        We've all been there.

      2. President John F. Keninnsie
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Half a box of scorched almonds here 😆

      3. Billy Ketsu
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        He he. I ate my own body weight yesterday, including most of a box of these.

        http://www.pierreherme.com/products/new/noel-et-fetes/boite-signature-noel.html

        I had a great time but I feel rooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhhhhhh today.

        1. Amateur Pundit Zan
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          Normally those would appeal but not right now

          1. Billy Ketsu
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 7 months ago

            They're amazing, absolutely delicous. I don't think I could eat another one right now if you paid me though........

  5. Tiki-Taka
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    RVP, Costa or Bony for captaincy? Leaning toward RVP

  6. Danny x-factor
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Rooney ➡ Giroud. Yes or No?

    1. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Si

    2. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      I probably wouldnt but not a bad transfer if you did especially for the giroud captaincy option

    3. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      I'd do it in a flash.

    4. Nobodinho
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Yay

    5. Danny x-factor
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Thanks all. Giroud (C)!!

  7. Lizard Lips
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Hart
    Naylor Wisdom Hutton (Yun Cresswell)
    Sanchez Hazzy Yaya Siggy (Albrighton)
    Austin Costa Bony

    Advice on transfers please!!!

    1. Oz lotto
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Hold

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        No transfers? Not even Albrighton to Boyd in case Hazzy doesn't play?

    2. Oz lotto
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Or upgrade wisdom. I would rather play cresswell btw

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        West Brom clean sheet much more likely than West Ham one and very unlikely to see Cresswell get attacking returns against the Chelsea defence. A horrible week for my defence in general tho I suspect lots of us with cheap defence line are in for a horrible week defensively.

        1. RubeRx
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          i may be tempted to play cresswell as well
          his delivery is sooo sweet tho
          Could picture a Cresswell to Carroll connection

    3. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Anything in the bank?

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        £1.5m

        1. Amateur Pundit Zan
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          Yun to a sunderland defender or kolo toure.

          They'd go straight in ahead of wisdom and extends your bench cover as well

          1. Lizard Lips
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 7 months ago

            very good shout that, is kolo guaranteed to start?

  8. FPL Notebook (John)
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Save it. Haz -. Fab if confirmed out in morning

    1. FPL Notebook (John)
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      (for Dr Claw)

      1. Lizard Lips
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers dude.

        1. Lizard Lips
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          Wont be confirmed in time tho surely? 🙁

  9. Method man
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Yaya or silva?

    1. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      still Yaya. I have both 😉

    2. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      If you getting one get silva. 3 more games only for yaya now

  10. Arsenal USA FC
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    What to do with this lot? - 2FT's & .9 In Bank

    A - RVP/Sakho -> Giroud/Falcao
    B - Sakho -> Austin
    C - Siggy/Sakho -> Sterling/Kane
    D - Sanchez/Sakho -> Cazorla/Giroud
    E - Yun -> Vlaar/Brown/O'Shea
    _________________________________

    Foster - Krul

    Naylor Clichy Chester - Wilson Yun

    Siggy Sanchez Eriksen Silva - Marney

    RVP Costa Sakho

    1. Arsenal USA FC
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Anything

  11. Nobodinho
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    REPOST:
    Good to go? 1FT 0.9ITB

    Lloris
    Azpi | Wisdom | Zaba
    Boyd | Toure | Siggy | Haz | Sanchez
    Austin | Costa

    Guzan | Sakho | Dummett | Tomkins

    Still I have no ideas for (C), thoughts?

    1. Arsenal USA FC
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Sanchez

  12. NABIL - FPL otai
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Remind me again why we are expecting a goal fest in Swansea today? Many are predicting good points from Bony.

    Last time I check Guzan is on fire. Plus, Lambert has a serious game plan away from home. He proved it a couple of times already.

    I'm not saying this because I have Guzan and I sold Siggy, but I think it's not going to a walk in the park for the Welsh.

    1. President John F. Keninnsie
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      1-0 or 2-1 IMO.

      1. NABIL - FPL otai
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        1-1 imo. Wouldn't be surprised to see 0-1

    2. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      *to be a

    3. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      rest factor plays a role here

      1. NABIL - FPL otai
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        who are the suspects for some rest?

        1. RubeRx
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          No i mean Bony was rested last week so he is fresh

  13. Lizard Lips
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Bony (c) or Costa (c)? Not chancing Hazard. Bony seems guaranteed time where as Costa is susceptible to rotation.

    1. Arsenal USA FC
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Costa

    2. Nickofoz
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Bony out of those two

    3. semiconductor
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      id choose costa myself

    4. Lizard Lips
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      What about Sanchez? Feel he is a massive rotation risk as well and less points now Giroud is back.

    5. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      costa

    6. RubeRx
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Wilfried

    7. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Bony

    8. Lizard Lips
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      50/50, argh, soo confused.

  14. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Guzan panti or jones till gw 23..Other gk is Foster whose only good fix is gw21

    1. semiconductor
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      guzan

    2. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Guzan has better fixtures

    3. UnitednationsXI
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      not jones?

  15. semiconductor
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    have 2 fts and saving one for next week. should this week transfer be

    1. dummet to o'shea (would play him this week)
    2. marney to boyd (1st sub for sanchez)
    3. moore to steven taylor (just my 5th def)

  16. chrisjdgrady
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Foster
    Zab Azpi Cresswell
    Yaya Sanchez(vc) Fab Downing
    Costa Bony(c) Austin

    Myhill Boyd Yun Saylor

    Good to go? Anything worthy of a hit? Thoughts on Bony captain?

    Thanks!

  17. Stupendous
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    If you could pick your perfect team for Boxing Day what would it be? Aka Scout/Dream picks.....

    How many of them do you ACTUALLY own?

    Ddg

    1. Stupendous
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Cahill. Baines. Zaba
      Siggy. Cazorla. Silva. DiMaria
      Falcao. Rvp. Giroud

      Have 3 of 11

    2. President John F. Keninnsie
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Panty
      Baines Zaba Azpi
      Silva Hazard Sterling ADM
      Costa Bony Giroud

      Own 7/11

      1. Stupendous
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Fantastic boxing day for u incoming mate...

      2. BeachBadger
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        I have 7 of them too. Hopefully the right ones 😆

    3. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Baines Zaba Debuchy
      Yaya Silva Cazorla Sterling ADM
      RVP Giroud

      Yep. No Chelsea. 3 of 11 too

    4. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Sczezney
      Ivan, zaba, baines
      Hazard*, cazorla, adm, silva
      Giroud, Falcao, bony

      *sterling off the bench

      I have 1 out of 11 🙁

  18. Jay_
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Burnley v Liverpool predictions ?

    1. Stupendous
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      2-1 Burnley. Not even an upset.

      1. Arctic monkeys
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Boyd Brace to come off the bench , i'll take that.

    2. Joggers Nipple
      • 17 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      1-1

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      1-3

      1. money face bandwagon
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Not sure if pool can produce 3 goals

  19. hooi1983
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    1 FT, keep Benteke or Benteke -> Giroud

    1. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      keep. Tasty fixtures coming up + peno duties, remember.

    2. Stupendous
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Selling Benteke even for Cristiano I Am Pele, Thierry HenVanNistelRinho ahead of his next two, is well, barmy......

      Unless u sell GRU for him again next week I suppose.

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Then giroud→benteke next week?

    4. hooi1983
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      thanks all

  20. Nobodinho
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    YYT(C) anyone?

    1. Stupendous
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Not for me. Milner, Nasri, Silva, Navas all playing ahead of him.

      Risky tbf

      Siggy. United fwd (yes!!). Sanchez. Haz. All better options with Yaya maybe at cpt.

    2. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Yyt or bony for me

    3. Fplnooob
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      yyt (C) 100%...jam incoming

  21. MMN
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Arsenal fans, what are the chances Sanchez comes on for a cameo?

    1. MMN
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      (on the off chance he doesn't start)

      1. Arsenal USA FC
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Gonna start

    2. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Im not an arsenal fan but i can still tell you it is definitely possible

  22. comsky
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Why is no one backing Silva (c) when he is the "false 9"

    1. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Milner is in the force 9. Silva ok choice but not the best fixture

    2. money face bandwagon
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Is he?

    3. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Silva is inconsistency from a FPL perspective. Too many times he assists the assister. Great player, just not always FPL points imo

      1. comsky
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Fair point, I'm taking a punt on it though!

    4. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      MIlner is the false 9. Despite that this formation certainly suits Silva but not many people own him so thats why they can't captain him

      1. comsky
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        Did Downing to Silva. brave but going for tried and tested therory of form and fixtures

  23. Kerrazy
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Team GTG? have 1 ft still intact.

    Guzan
    Baines Chambers Azpili
    Sanchez(VC) Hazard Siggy Yaya
    Austin Kane RVP(C)

    Elliott SDavis Wisdom Duff

    1. testmat-20210805.8
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      I think you are good to go! Good luck!

  24. testmat-20210805.8
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Good to go?

    Heaton
    Clyne-Cresswell-Baines
    Downing-Eriksen-Hazard-Sanchez
    Bony-Austin-Costa

    C - Sanchez
    VC - Hazard

    SUBS: Foster-Boyd-Duff-Moore

    I am thinking of giving the armband to Hazard instead but I don't know if I should follow that or just stick to the current setup...

    1. Kerrazy
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Sanchez(C) Kane(VC) for me.

    2. WINNING!
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Climb the ranks C- Eriksen

      1. testmat-20210805.8
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 7 months ago

        This crossed my mind. Yesterday, I had it Sanchez C Eriksen VC. Atm, it's Sanchez C Hazard VC. I still have some time to think about this. Thanks for the idea!! How was Eriksen in last week's game? I did not watch it and I noticed he had no fantasy returns.

        1. WINNING!
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 7 months ago

          Did not see the game, but he has had 3 good scores in away games and against Leicester should do well. So many choices this week maybe worth a punt,

  25. FPL Blow-In
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Im worried about my bench because of Hazard s injury andSanchez possibly being rested.

    Adrian
    Zab Davies Naylor
    Sanchez Hazard Silva Sig
    Costa Giroud Kane

    Boyd Dummrt Yun

    is it worth a hit to swap Yun or Dummet for someone to bench them?

    1. FPL Blow-In
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      I have 5.7 itb

    2. Jay_
      11 years, 7 months ago

      No , Boyd and Dummet are enough cover anyway

    3. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      if you got the cash and a free transfer, I'd do Yun > Hutton

    4. Kerrazy
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      not for a hit. hold on tight, one of Hazard/Sanchez will surely play. tho im more confident of the latter to start. Boyd will come in just fine if one didn't.

    5. FPL Blow-In
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Cheers all

  26. Elly88 > KTR (Kevin The …
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    My team going into the GW is

    Pants
    Clichy Zaba Azpili
    Hazard Sanchez Siggy Downing
    Costa RVP (C) Kane

    Krul. Hutton Boyd Duff

    There is a remote chance that Sanchez, Hazard, Siggy, Clichy might fail to feature.
    Is it worth doing Duff>Bartley using my free transfer to have a bench of three starters?
    Ta

    1. Stupendous
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Bartley is not a guaranteed starter so...no

  27. SneakyPete
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    New Avatar, Hope its visible 😀

    1. SneakyPete
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Meh, I have to set audience as Rated G or X ? so that its visible ?

  28. Arsenal USA FC
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Which is the best?

    A - RVP Costa Kane -> 2FT's next week (Kane -> Austin in mind)

    B - RVP Costa Austin -> 2FT's next week

    C - Costa Falcao Giroud -> 1 FT next week

    1. testmat-20210805.8
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      If I had the money, I'd go B.

    2. NABIL - FPL otai
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      B or C. Maybe B.

  29. Jay_
    11 years, 7 months ago

    Watching Mcullum in test cricket is a joy , looking forward to the last session hope we get another 2 hours out of him

    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah that would be good. At the parents with no SKY TV unfortunately but still following on cricinfo.com.

      Has he just been blasting it has he?

  30. Kerrazy
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 7 months ago

    how do you know which of Kolarov or Clichy is nailed on compared to the other? i mean if Kolarov starts on Boxing Day, Clichy would prob start the other, don't have enough funds to do Chambers>Zaba