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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Magic Man
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    grav check.

    1. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Mean Girls?

      1. Magic Man
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Margot Robbie

  2. TheSteel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rate this team please:

    Foster
    Terry Shaw Friend
    Lamela Martial Mane Tadic
    Gray Vardy Kun

    Jako Naylor Capoue Mee

    Not sold on Vardy, cant afford Zlatan. Not sold on Mane either but covering my ass if LP explode out of the gate.

    1. umerlfc
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sold on Martial? Get Hazard

    2. Frank Black
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Liverpool has a team with no defense and Burnley in the first two and they proved they can score against anyone. Of course they also have a poor defense but as long as the attackers score goals that doesn't concern you.

    3. Lazarus Star
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino over Mane will give you 0.5 back
      JT not for me, look at a 5M def instead
      Martial to anyone and you have a Ibra budget over Vardy

      1. TheSteel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I like it, cheers.

  3. Chelsea Dagger
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Decisions, decisions, decisions ... Assistance requested ...

    1 Gray, Siggy, Azpil
    Or
    2 Vardy, Ramirez, Francis

    Already have Kun, Ibra, Mahrez, and Alli.

    Cheers!

    1. Frank Black
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don't even know if Sigurdsson is available for GW1 and Ramirez is just a bad option. No Vardy if you have Mahrez.

  4. WeekendSoldier
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rooney + Fabregas?

    Or

    Kane + 6m midfielder?

    1. umerlfc
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane +

  5. Mavric Marco
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    The Burning Question –

    Is Shane Long nailed on?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes.

      1. Mavric Marco
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I've just seen he scored today! Best 6.5 option now??

  6. Jay_
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Do you think Oscar starts GW1?

      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah.

      2. KingNidge
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Maybe but could be eating the pine GW2,3 and 4... seems like a lot of hassle mate

        1. Jay_
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Keeping 1m itb for either him to Eriksen/Alli or Vardy to Kane in gw2. I know what you mean though, seems a bit like a honey trap.

      3. WeekendSoldier
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Lamela or Fabregas?

        1. Emp
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          lam

      4. Slam
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Leicester defence > Bournemouth defence.

        Also, Bournemouth were the second worse team at home (Obviously Villa were worst)
        Zlatan can have a bad game and get a hat trick in the next.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yes he can, but it's extremely unlikely.

          1. Slam
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            He was playing pretty deep today, but who will score for United?

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Man United don't have to score

              1. Slam
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                I like that thinking.
                Kane or Vardy then

        2. Frank Black
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I'd pick Daniels right away if they didn't have such bad fixtures.

          1. Greenbackbøøg…
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I doubt hes on pens this year

          2. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Callum Wilson on pens.

      5. camarozz
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        What's our view on Zaha? Currently have firmino, hazard, lamela, Zaha, kun, zlatan and gray up front with capoue on bench.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          An underrated option

      6. Bobmarley121
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Zlatan or Kane???

        1. The Donald
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Kane for me, or Vardy for 1 GW

      7. The Donald
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        anyone else's defense a mess? I've got:
        JT (maybe injured)
        Shaw (Valencia might be better?)
        Naylor (not starting??)
        Souare (injured maybe?)
        Smith (4.0 gross)

        problems everywhere

        1. Slam
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Souare injured?
          That's not good

        2. Dušan Citizen
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          u need to use wc right now

          1. The Donald
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            already have 😉

      8. Dušan Citizen
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ok, I am considering getting Kolarov.

        1. The Donald
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I'd get him but is he going to play?

          1. Dušan Citizen
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            He started every pre season game

            1. The Donald
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              interesting...

            2. Every Dog Has Its Day
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Eh, he's not going to play. Clichy and Angelino are far better and ahead. He won't play CB again that's for sure - he's finished.

              1. The Donald
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                just looked it up and I agree, him playing at CB wouldn't be good for points anyway

              2. Emp
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                angelino?

      9. YankeeDoodleDandy
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Heaton/Foster
        Friend/Sagna/Suoare/Pieters/Kone
        Oscar/Tadic/The Ox/Siggy/Capoue
        Kun/Ibra/Vardy

        5-6 penalty takers all on the same team?

        1. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Siggy didn't start or play any game of pre-season + not sure about oscar with many good players in the same range +Souare may miss first game

      10. Ronnies
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Good to go guys ??

        foster - (jakupovic)

        azpil - shaw - stones - (friend, smith)

        hazard - tadic - lamela - townsend - (capoue)

        kun - ibra - gray

        Any feedback welcome.
        Tnks

        1. YankeeDoodleDandy
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Looks good to go

        2. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yep.
          Probably deulfou over townsend

      11. @fpl_phenom
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        surely pre-season puts Valencia ahead of Shaw, he looks nailed at RB and Ibra will finish his supply?... thoughts....

        1. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Agreed

        2. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Was Darmian available for preseason?

      12. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Today's Draft

        Courtois (jaku)
        Baines Valencia Morgan Kone smith
        Hazard Coutinho Tadic Delboy
        Kun Vardy Gray

        1. @fpl_phenom
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          loving this! Just Morgan that I would drop... think leicester will leak more goals this year without Kante....

          1. Hy liverpool
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Rotating him with kone/MCcualy for first 8 gws , but yeah I think they may leak more goals too

        2. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          You need to find money for a fifth midfielder

          1. Hy liverpool
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            😀
            Jedinak atm

      13. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Gray (C) in the first gameweek for me. Hopefully no Williams and Naylor.

        1. Slam
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Nice, I hope ballsy decisions like these work out.
          Just curious, why not Kun?

          1. Every Dog Has Its Day
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            We play Steaua Bucuresti 3 days later, won't play full 90 imo.

            1. Slam
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              That's true, but he doesn't need 90 does he

        2. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Wow. Don't fancy Kun?

          1. Every Dog Has Its Day
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            We play Steaua Bucuresti 3 days later, won't play full 90.

        3. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Vardy for me, Gray is a bit too risky

          1. Every Dog Has Its Day
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            forgot I have vardy 😆

      14. camarozz
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Hi AYEW SERIOUS. How u been? Fair play to ya you almost always reply to my posts.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Not too bad man. And you

          I reply to post which intrigue my interest so you earn it 🙂

          1. camarozz
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            All good here. Looking forward to new season sadly mine started today. Villa lost again.

      15. Drop Dead Tsimikas
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Best 5.0 DEF?

        1. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Morgan

          1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Huh. I'm currently on Funes Mori but might think about Wes.

          2. Salah’s Sonnet
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            yep, this.

      16. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        So where are we at on the 5th mid decision?

        Been scouring over the Saints forums - they are very impressed by Højbjerg, his passing range and positioning. Could be a good option.

        Capoue another good option who has been given more freedom in this 3-5-2 system, last I heard he got an injury though. Is he fit?

        Boring Darren Fletcher is also an option.

        Who are you currently on?

        1. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Jedinak

          1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Good shout, on penalties, too.

          2. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Ooh. That's an interesting shout, didn't realise he was £4.5m. On penalties too, right?

            Is he 100% nailed though? Surely Cabaye and McCarthur can play in the pivot?

            1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Played and scored in the last match. But maybe Cabaye isn't back yet. In any event, it will be between him and Capoue for me.

          3. Ayew Serious
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            He's off to Villa, not nailed if he stays even

            1. Jazz!
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Ah.

        2. Drop Dead Tsimikas
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Capoue

        3. Every Dog Has Its Day
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Capoue not because of his 'freedom' but because he has a lower ownership than Fletcher. I do not want to lose value on a 4.5 player.

          1. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Another advantage for Capoue!

          2. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Lower ownership doesn't effect price changes it is the % sold that causes the drop so in theory higher owned players take longer to drop.

        4. Salah’s Sonnet
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Watson

          1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Sounds like Mazzari isn't a fan of his.

        5. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          What happened to 352

          1. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Costa happened. IMO he'll have a fantastic season.

            1. Jazz!
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              First 3 fixtures are beautiful too.

              1. Ayew Serious
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Hazard?

                1. Jazz!
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 8 months ago

                  Both. 😀

                  1. Ayew Serious
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 8 months ago

                    With that Kun, Vardy and Mane my team would be ugly elsewhere

      17. Ask Yourself
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thoughts on this please

        Gk: Foster (jakupovic)
        Def: VVD Valencia Friend (naughton lenihan)
        Mid: Hazard Mane Alli Redmond (capoue)
        For: Aguero Vardy Gray

      18. Zasa
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Djoko vs Del Po, pretty good so far. 5-5 first set.

      19. mranonymous
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Been agonising over this decision... Townsend v Deulofeu? It would appear Townsend is the safer option

        1. Magic Man
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Choose Townsend (everton fan)

      20. camarozz
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Decided on ddg over Shaw thus bringing in Dann for his nice fixtures. think its a good move don't ye??

      21. indiangunner
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Is Iwobi worth a shout at 6 m???

        1. Emp
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          no

      22. Magic Man
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Feeling very happy with this, anything to change?

        Valdes - Pickford

        Valencia - Walker - McAuley - Mee - Bruce

        Hazard - Mahrez - Alli - Gradel - Capoue

        Kun - Vardy - Gray

        1. Mavric Marco
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Needs some Man Utd attack IMO

        2. The Donald
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          looks really solid

      23. Mavric Marco
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        A) Sanchez & Pieters (4-4-2)
        or
        B) Mahrez & Long (3-4-3)

        1. Magic Man
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          B

          1. Mavric Marco
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Cheers - Thats the balanced approach for sure.

        2. Arrow Marked Drogba
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          B

      24. Areid13
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Who's the best 6.0 mid? Redmond?

      25. Slam
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Those with an Everton defender, are you playing them vs. Tottenham?

        1. Magic Man
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          i don't have one but i wouldn't recommend picking whoever you own unless they warrant attacking returns (Baines, Coleman)

        2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          That is the question I've been wrestling with.
          No clue, will wing it on friday....

        3. Arrow Marked Drogba
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yes - Coleman

        4. Frank Black
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Baines, not against Spurs but starting from GW 2.

      26. Ronnies
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Best pick ... ?

        a) townsend

        b) deulofeu

        Tnks

        1. Emp
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          a