Moving Target
11 August 2016 2600 comments
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Having bolstered Man City’s attacking options with the acquisition of Nolito and Leroy Sane, new manager Pep Guardiola moved to strengthen his defence this week with the signing of Everton defender John Stones for a fee believed to be £47.5 million.

The 22-year-old England international put pen to paper on a six-year deal at the Etihad, and speaking to the club’s official website, revealed his happiness at joining City, and his desire to earn his place in Guardiola’s starting XI:

“I’ve obviously seen what’s going on here at the Etihad, it’s an ambitious club with a great manager so I can’t wait to get stuck in and help achieve the goals. I know it will be tough getting a place in this team but I’m determined to become the best player I can be and help us to success.”

The History

Stones came through Barnsley’s youth set-up, progressing all the way through to the first team. He made his professional debut in a 4-0 defeat to Reading in March 2012, and managed 28 appearances in all competitions for the Tykes, scoring one goal.

In January 2013, Everton paid Barnsley a fee reportedly in the region of £3 million to secure the young defender’s services, although he had to wait until August 2013 to make his debut for the Toffees, coming in a 2-1 against Stevenage in the League Cup.

Stones’ Premier League debut eventually came in a 1-1 draw against Stoke in January 2014, and he enjoyed a strong second half of the campaign, racking up a further 20 league appearances.

Whilst injury curtailed Stones’ progress during the first half of the 2014/15 season, he ended the campaign as a regular starter, and totaled 23 league appearances, scoring one goal.

Last season, the cultured centre-back was Phil Jagielka’s regular partner at the heart of the Everton defence, clocking up 33 appearances, although he failed to register any attacking returns. His individual performances did come under some criticism, though, with Everton’s disappointing campaign eventually leading to the departure of Roberto Martinez.

Stones represented England at Under 19, Under 20 and Under 21 levels, making 17 appearances in total, before earning a senior debut off the bench in a 3-0 win over Peru in May 2014. He was included in Roy Hodgson’s squad for Euro 2016, but was one of only two outfield players, along with Ross Barkley, not to feature in the tournament. He currently has 10 international caps but has yet to score for his country.

The Prospects

With Vincent Kompany expected to miss the opening weeks of the season due to a thigh injury, Stones will fancy his chances of going straight into the starting XI for Saturday’s season opener against Sunderland.

Guardiola started with Aleksandar Kolarov and Fernando in central defence in City’s final pre-season match against Arsenal, but it could be that Stones partners Nicolas Otamendi against the Black Cats. The England man has got plenty of minutes under his belt playing for the Toffees during pre-season, and should physically at least be ready for the big kick-off.

Furthermore, Eliaquim Mangala has not been included in City’s Champions League squad, which indicates the Frenchmen will likely be allowed to leave before the transfer window closes.

Guardiola favours using a four-man backline, so when Kompany does return to full fitness, it could leave Stones and Otamendi battling for one position. Given the investment made in the England international, he may be the one to keep his place providing he settles quickly in Manchester.

The major positive for Stones’ prospects is the fact Guardiola places so much emphasis on his defenders initiating attacks through their distribution, as he explained last month:

“Normally central defenders are strong in the air and aggressive. But we need to have a good build-up to create easy passes in the midfield so they can create good passes for the strikers. I believe when the ball goes from the central defender to the striker as quickly as possible, it comes as quickly as possible back.”

Crucially, amongst all defenders who played over 1000 minutes last season, Stones was ranked fourth for completed passes with 88%, illustrating his capability as a ball-playing defender.

Comparing the underlying statistics of Stones, Kompany and Otamendi from last season, it’s the Argentine who comes out on top. The former Valencia defender averaged a tackle every 21.4 minutes, far superior to both Kompany (45.9) and Stones (48.1). He held a similar advantage in terms of interceptions too, managing one every 27 minutes, better than both Stones (52.4) and Kompany (53.9).

The only significant area where Stones led the way amongst the trio came via blocks, averaging one every 83.9 minutes, far better than both Otamendi (215.9) and Kompany (310).

Otamendi could hold the edge for CBI, then, although the fact Kompany only managed 13 starts last season and was generally far from his best is perhaps not indicative of what we can expect if he can stay fit for a prolonged period of time.

The big factor in Stones’ favour from a Fantasy perspective is the fact he’s priced at 5.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL), whereas both Kompany and Otamendi are valued at 6.0.

That disparity is likely to be one of the main reasons why Stones’ ownership has soared to 27% since the move was confirmed, and if City can equal or better the 16 clean sheets they accrued last season, the former Barnsley man could provide fantastic value providing he’s a regular starter.

As highlighted by this recent in-depth article on Guardiola’s tactics, the signs are promising:

“Guardiola has had the best defensive record in every league campaign of his career at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Tellingly, the most goals he’s ever conceded came in the first of those seven seasons and the fewest came in his last one with Bayern”.

Stones does, however, lack any real goal threat, having only averaged an attempt every 366.9 minutes last term. That was far worse than Otamendi (104) and Kompany (112.7), both of whom have scored at decent number of goals throughout their careers.

City’s fixtures over the first six Gameweeks (SUN, sto, WHM, mun, BOU, swa) are fairly mixed though, so while Stones may offer tremendous value now playing for a side expected to compete for the title, it may take Guardiola time to get his methods across to his players – something that won’t be helped by Stones’ late arrival should he be thrust straight into the action.

Over the course of the season then, there’s every expectation that Stones could develop as a viable FPL asset under Guardiola’s guidance.

With a number of similarly priced options such as Robert Huth, Michael Keane, Ramiro Funes Mori, Alberto Moreno, Steve Cook, Patrick van Aanholt and Craig Dawson offering significantly greater goal threat, though, the City new boy may need to up his attacking output to offer exceptional value.

Further Reference

John Stones Wikipedia

John Stones Transfer Markt Page

John Stones You Tube

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  1. anish10
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    best 4.0 playing defender, if any?

    1. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Amat

    2. Jøssy ⭐
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Maaaaybe, Amat.

      No one is nailed though.

      1. Hotdogs for Tea
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Amat is with Williams gone. He has been first choice CB sub for 3 years behind Chico and Fernandez.

        He even started pre-season training 2 weeks early because he knew his chance would come 😉

        1. Jøssy ⭐
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 21 days ago

          Really!?? I'd heard promosing news to that effect, but I was trying not to get too excited till it was proven as fact in the league.

          1. Hotdogs for Tea
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 21 days ago

            Even been picked as a holding mid in the past.

  2. caio89
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    After some tinkering I have settled on a team, would be grateful for any opinions/comments.

    Heaton/Foster
    Baines, Terry, Stones, (Friend, Amat)
    Hazard, Firmino, Townsend, Redmond (Capoue)
    Agüero, Kane, Gray

    I have 0.5 ITB, so I could upgrade Capoue to a 5.0 mid.

    1. Savid Dilva
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      I have the exact same team

      1. tm370
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Great team but I'd go for Eriksen instead of Firminio for the first few weeks.

    2. Abdwell
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      I like it. Townsend > Lamela instead of upgrading Capoue could be a decent shout, unless Palace manage to get Benteke. Or perhaps downgrade one of your keepers to free up funds for Tadic

    3. caio89
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Thanks for the input! 🙂

  3. Pigs in Blankets!!!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Rooney or Costa?

    1. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Neither

    2. Jøssy ⭐
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Costa

    3. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Costa

    1. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Lots of reputable sources giving out conflicting info.

      Guardian, BBC and Sky have him staying, L'Equipe and RMC have him as engineering a move.

      I don't know what to believe...

  4. supersham
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Would you choose Williams over Morgan?

    1. Jøssy ⭐
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Yes

    2. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      No

    3. Al Bundy
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Absolutely not.

    4. UnitedFan
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      No

    5. DoobNoob
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      yes

    6. Jøssy ⭐
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Although... caveat... he may not be ready for GW1. As soon as he is, I'd prefer him

    7. Emp
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      yes, better cs channce based on fixtures imo

  5. DoobNoob
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Help please??

    Foster, Jakupovic
    Shaw, Stones, Williams, Friend, Paredes
    Hazard, Lamela, Ayew, Tadic, Capoue
    Ibrahimovic, Aguero, Gray

  6. Bumbaclot
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Any idea when the team news section will be up and running??

    1. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      When sources are found..

      1. Bumbaclot
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Hopefully tomorrow then

    1. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Rotation with Redmond?

  7. beric
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    is martial nailed on?

    1. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Most seem to think so.

      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        cheers, should do well as a midfielder no?

        1. Davido989
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 21 days ago

          Probably will do well. Not sure if he's the best 9.5m though.

      2. Bumbaclot
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Yep left wing is his

    2. dja81
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      He will be subbed by memphis or rashford most weeks

    3. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Should be. Think he'll do well over the season.

  8. Tshelby
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    G2g?

    Foster
    Targett, Valencia, Stones
    Haz (c), Firmino, Deulofeu, Townsend
    Kane, Kun (vc), Long

    Jaku-, Walker, Kone, Fletcher

    1. Jigger & Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Play Walker, captain Kun

      1. Tshelby
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        You think Spurs will get a cleansheet against everton?

        1. Jigger & Pony
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 21 days ago

          Yes. Predict either 0-0 or 0-1

  9. JoBro
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Dier or Ibe?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Ibe

    2. UnitedFan
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Ibe

    3. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Ibe. Dier not really a good fpl prospect

    4. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Gradel.

    5. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Ibe

    6. Jøssy ⭐
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Dier should not be near consideration for any FPL manager. End of story. I'm horrified by his ownership.

  10. Painter
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Best 4.5 mid
    Fletcher, capoue anyone else?
    Thanks

    1. UnitedFan
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Capoue

    2. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      I think either of those are the best two, so which ever is your preference.

    3. Jigger & Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Carrick

    4. dja81
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Not capoue..to many people have him and not looked at Watford fixtures so a no go if you looking to rotate him

      1. Teddy Brewski
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Fixtures pretty irrelevant for 4.5 bench fodder. Playing 60+ mins every game is the main thing. No way a 4.5 should be rotated with anyone

        1. dja81
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 21 days ago

          that's where you will come unstuck then..injuries suspension to other players which will happen will leave you with a 4.5 mid playing for team likely to be relegated..bad move

  11. Dom15
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    This might be me just about settled, then. What do you think? Any advice/suggestions welcome...

    Foster - Jaku
    Valencia - Stones - Friend (Kone, Amat)
    Hazard - Lamela - Townsend - Ramirez (Capoue)
    Aguero - Ibra - Vardy

    Cheers!

    1. ZakyJ
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Pretty similar to mine (2 below)

      Looks goods, obviously youve gone 3 top strikers and weaker elsewhere. Might be the right move

  12. Jamie_GAWA
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Surely West Hams new striker won't start against Chelsea.. If Carroll plays well he will play against BOU aswell so I'm gonna punt on that

    1. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      What striker ?

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      You should keep in mind that they have EL qualifyer also.
      I like Carroll.

  13. ZakyJ
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    RMT and help with last pick, an everton defender

    Foster / Jaku
    Kone / Stones / Valencia / Amat / Coleman or Baines or Williams (+0.5m)?
    Hazard / Lamela / Firmino / Redmond / Capoue
    Kun / Ibra / Gray

    Thanks in advance

    1. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Baines

    2. Teddy Brewski
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Could be double Everton in your defence shortly with Kone. I'd go with someone else as your 5th defender if you want to keep Kone

    3. Speaking Words of Wisdom, R…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      I currently have the exact same team other than Valencia/Amat/Coleman > Shaw/Friend/Morgan, so naturally I like it. I am a bit worried about not having a 9.5 mid though, making it difficult to bring in Mahrez if he explodes or Payet/Ozil when they are ready, unless we ditch Hazard. Having said that, I am planning on a GW4 wildcard so not too stressed about my starting team.

  14. CONTE'S HAIR
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    What about mark pugh from bournemouth? he had i good last season...routledge or him?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Pugh won't play

      1. CONTE'S HAIR
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        thanks mate

    2. Costa's Counsellor
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Who, Pugh? What about Barney McGrew?

  15. Bumbaclot
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Ok i am not touching my team anymore. Im sticking with this. Any feedback most welcome:

    Heaton
    Shaw/Baines/Morgan
    Hazard/Eriksen/Firmino/Redmond
    Aguero/Lukaku/Gray

    Subs: Foster/Kone/Pieters/Capoue

    Thanks

    1. Sjaugen
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Sou, Sun, Eve pressers might force changes

      1. Bumbaclot
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        In what way??

    2. Teddy Brewski
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Too much invested in defence for me. Baines to a 5.0 and Pieters to a 4.0. Then allows you to upgrade Lukaku to Vardy

      1. Emp
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        well maybe he prefers luakku?

  16. Sjaugen
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Have the presser times been posted?

    1. Defcons are for Kinnear
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      No. We're all waiting for someone to do that without actually doing it ourselves

      1. Sjaugen
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        That's how we roll

      2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        🙂
        Much like a day at work then...

  17. Defcons are for Kinnear
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Anyone playing 433 this week? I'm starting Friend over Gradel

    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Whenever you get the urge to do this; stop, view it as a warning that your 4th mid is not strong enough, and redistribute funds to strengthen him.

      Just my view.

      1. Teddy Brewski
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Agree

  18. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Gray licking his lips now that Williams is gone from Swansea

    Might even be a good (C) shout 😉

    1. Jigger & Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Essential

    2. Defcons are for Kinnear
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Definitely. Unfortunately Kun is irresistible

    3. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Agree.

      It's between him and Hazard for me.

    4. Sjaugen
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Vardy better outscore him

    5. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Ballsy

  19. Kvelertak
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    I really wish i had the balls to remove Ibra from my team. And this is coming from a United fan.
    My team could look so much more balanced without him. But i guess its easier to fix he fails in my team, compared to being worth the output if he's not in my team.

    Who dares go without?

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Me.

    2. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Me.
      Im going Vardy

      1. Kvelertak
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Can see that being a good move. Same with Kane.

  20. beric
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    why does everyone have hazard in their teams?

    1. Davido989
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Top, top player.

    2. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      because we think he will be awful and get no points

    3. Al Bundy
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      2014/15 233 3373 14 10
      2013/14 202 2890 14 10
      2012/13 190 2626 9 16

    4. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Conte ditched the stupid 442 formation and played with an inverted front 3, with Hazard more advanced than the opposite side.

      1. Emp
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        how does an inverted front three work?

    5. Bubz
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Could be a beast under Conte

    6. dja81
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Easier to get him out of your team then to get him in

  21. arthadox
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Anyone know if Kone actually signed for Newcastle, read it on twitter?!

    1. Defcons are for Kinnear
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Newcastle!?

    2. arthadox
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Oops Never Mind. 😛

    3. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      I think the story was that Everton were hoping to get Kone before sending Galloway to Newcastle.

  22. CONTE'S HAIR
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    best 5.00 midfielder for the first 5-6 gameweeks?

    1. Bumbaclot
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Capoue at 4,5

    2. dja81
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      No not capoue stay clear

    3. *sigh*
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Possibly Whatmore but wait for Sunderland prematch for any hints of him starting.

    4. Teddy Brewski
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Get Capoue or Fletcher and upgrade your 4th mid

  23. Just Been On Loan
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Which of the following options:

    A) Firmino-Redmond-5.5 Defender
    B) Tadic-Ayew-5.0 Defender

    Rest of the team is as follows:
    Foster (Jak)
    Shaw-Stones-___ (Friend Amat)
    Hazard-Lamela-___-___ (Fletcher)
    Aguero-Zlat-Gray

    1. Teddy Brewski
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      A with Valencia

      1. Teddy Brewski
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 21 days ago

        Or Morgan and leave 0.5 ITB

  24. Tiamani Warrior
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    If I go with an ultra cheap backline of 5-4.5-4.5-4.5-4 who's my best bet as the 5 to play every week? Stones, Morgan, Williams or PVA? Or someone else I've missed?

    1. Jamie_GAWA
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Morgan is the most nailed but I prefer Stones

  25. Gooner97
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Lukaku or Vardy?

    1. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Vardy until you know Lukaku fitness and if hes going to transfer somewhere

  26. AJ24
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    A) Tadic & Lamela

    Or

    B) Alli & Redmond

    1. Blaugrana Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Exactly my question. Just changed from A to B.

  27. trinzoo
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    This picture with Benteke holding CP shirt was a fake ?

    1. Kvelertak
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 21 days ago

      Apparently photoshopped.

  28. tm370
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 21 days ago

    Marks out of 10?

    (0.5 in the bank)
    Foster, Jakupovic
    Targett, Shaw, Stones, Kone, Amat
    Tadic, Hazard, Eriksen, Townsend, Sanchez
    Aguero, Gray, Diomande