Moving Target
11 August 2016 2600 comments
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Having bolstered Man City’s attacking options with the acquisition of Nolito and Leroy Sane, new manager Pep Guardiola moved to strengthen his defence this week with the signing of Everton defender John Stones for a fee believed to be £47.5 million.

The 22-year-old England international put pen to paper on a six-year deal at the Etihad, and speaking to the club’s official website, revealed his happiness at joining City, and his desire to earn his place in Guardiola’s starting XI:

“I’ve obviously seen what’s going on here at the Etihad, it’s an ambitious club with a great manager so I can’t wait to get stuck in and help achieve the goals. I know it will be tough getting a place in this team but I’m determined to become the best player I can be and help us to success.”

The History

Stones came through Barnsley’s youth set-up, progressing all the way through to the first team. He made his professional debut in a 4-0 defeat to Reading in March 2012, and managed 28 appearances in all competitions for the Tykes, scoring one goal.

In January 2013, Everton paid Barnsley a fee reportedly in the region of £3 million to secure the young defender’s services, although he had to wait until August 2013 to make his debut for the Toffees, coming in a 2-1 against Stevenage in the League Cup.

Stones’ Premier League debut eventually came in a 1-1 draw against Stoke in January 2014, and he enjoyed a strong second half of the campaign, racking up a further 20 league appearances.

Whilst injury curtailed Stones’ progress during the first half of the 2014/15 season, he ended the campaign as a regular starter, and totaled 23 league appearances, scoring one goal.

Last season, the cultured centre-back was Phil Jagielka’s regular partner at the heart of the Everton defence, clocking up 33 appearances, although he failed to register any attacking returns. His individual performances did come under some criticism, though, with Everton’s disappointing campaign eventually leading to the departure of Roberto Martinez.

Stones represented England at Under 19, Under 20 and Under 21 levels, making 17 appearances in total, before earning a senior debut off the bench in a 3-0 win over Peru in May 2014. He was included in Roy Hodgson’s squad for Euro 2016, but was one of only two outfield players, along with Ross Barkley, not to feature in the tournament. He currently has 10 international caps but has yet to score for his country.

The Prospects

With Vincent Kompany expected to miss the opening weeks of the season due to a thigh injury, Stones will fancy his chances of going straight into the starting XI for Saturday’s season opener against Sunderland.

Guardiola started with Aleksandar Kolarov and Fernando in central defence in City’s final pre-season match against Arsenal, but it could be that Stones partners Nicolas Otamendi against the Black Cats. The England man has got plenty of minutes under his belt playing for the Toffees during pre-season, and should physically at least be ready for the big kick-off.

Furthermore, Eliaquim Mangala has not been included in City’s Champions League squad, which indicates the Frenchmen will likely be allowed to leave before the transfer window closes.

Guardiola favours using a four-man backline, so when Kompany does return to full fitness, it could leave Stones and Otamendi battling for one position. Given the investment made in the England international, he may be the one to keep his place providing he settles quickly in Manchester.

The major positive for Stones’ prospects is the fact Guardiola places so much emphasis on his defenders initiating attacks through their distribution, as he explained last month:

“Normally central defenders are strong in the air and aggressive. But we need to have a good build-up to create easy passes in the midfield so they can create good passes for the strikers. I believe when the ball goes from the central defender to the striker as quickly as possible, it comes as quickly as possible back.”

Crucially, amongst all defenders who played over 1000 minutes last season, Stones was ranked fourth for completed passes with 88%, illustrating his capability as a ball-playing defender.

Comparing the underlying statistics of Stones, Kompany and Otamendi from last season, it’s the Argentine who comes out on top. The former Valencia defender averaged a tackle every 21.4 minutes, far superior to both Kompany (45.9) and Stones (48.1). He held a similar advantage in terms of interceptions too, managing one every 27 minutes, better than both Stones (52.4) and Kompany (53.9).

The only significant area where Stones led the way amongst the trio came via blocks, averaging one every 83.9 minutes, far better than both Otamendi (215.9) and Kompany (310).

Otamendi could hold the edge for CBI, then, although the fact Kompany only managed 13 starts last season and was generally far from his best is perhaps not indicative of what we can expect if he can stay fit for a prolonged period of time.

The big factor in Stones’ favour from a Fantasy perspective is the fact he’s priced at 5.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL), whereas both Kompany and Otamendi are valued at 6.0.

That disparity is likely to be one of the main reasons why Stones’ ownership has soared to 27% since the move was confirmed, and if City can equal or better the 16 clean sheets they accrued last season, the former Barnsley man could provide fantastic value providing he’s a regular starter.

As highlighted by this recent in-depth article on Guardiola’s tactics, the signs are promising:

“Guardiola has had the best defensive record in every league campaign of his career at Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Tellingly, the most goals he’s ever conceded came in the first of those seven seasons and the fewest came in his last one with Bayern”.

Stones does, however, lack any real goal threat, having only averaged an attempt every 366.9 minutes last term. That was far worse than Otamendi (104) and Kompany (112.7), both of whom have scored at decent number of goals throughout their careers.

City’s fixtures over the first six Gameweeks (SUN, sto, WHM, mun, BOU, swa) are fairly mixed though, so while Stones may offer tremendous value now playing for a side expected to compete for the title, it may take Guardiola time to get his methods across to his players – something that won’t be helped by Stones’ late arrival should he be thrust straight into the action.

Over the course of the season then, there’s every expectation that Stones could develop as a viable FPL asset under Guardiola’s guidance.

With a number of similarly priced options such as Robert Huth, Michael Keane, Ramiro Funes Mori, Alberto Moreno, Steve Cook, Patrick van Aanholt and Craig Dawson offering significantly greater goal threat, though, the City new boy may need to up his attacking output to offer exceptional value.

Further Reference

John Stones Wikipedia

John Stones Transfer Markt Page

John Stones You Tube

  1. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    "Bilic".
    He came back very fit, so he doesn't need a long pre-season, obviously he's not ready for 90 minutes".
    On Payet.

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I said at the end of last season that Payet was the first name on my team sheet next season. Hmmmm.

    2. @FPLMason
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Oh boy...

    3. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      His ownership is already pretty high

    4. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      No orange flag so that's great news.

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Sounds like he'll start and play 65-70.

        1. Beavis
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Agreed.

    5. pompeyfan
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      think i'll just stick to Carroll

  2. Upside14
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Foster seems to be the nailed on goalie for most people. Anyone else wondering why this is? I know theres the Pulis factor, but west brom didn't have the best record last year. Just down to the opening fixtures?

    1. reason17
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Pulls + decent goalkeeper+ saves

      +
      (Mainly) they feel the money saved will be better invested elsewhere

    2. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      yes and yes

    3. pompeyfan
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      for me it's his price, good value for WBA

    4. bakayoko
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Pulis, fixtures & price

    5. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yes to both.

  3. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    News on Lukaku's fitness?

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Something fishy going on with Lukaku, pretty sure hes leaving for Chelsea

      1. Gooner97
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Would you keep him if he's going to Chelsea

        1. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No, I'd wait until he settles in and is playing regularly etc

          1. Gooner97
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I'm stuck with him and don't know which player to get if he won't play this GW.

            1. Bubz
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Why are you stuck with him?

              1. Gooner97
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Because I don't know if he'll start and I need to get a new striker probably

                1. Bubz
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Just find 1m and get Vardy

                  1. Gooner97
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Will Bathsuayi start? Anyway I could also get Benteke if he goes to Palace

                    1. Bubz
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Not at the start of the season imo. Benteke hasnt had any preseason so I doubt he will start this weekend either

                      1. Gooner97
                        • 12 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Thanks

            2. Donkey_Sanctuary
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              How can you possibly be stuck with a player before the season has started?

              This has to be one of the most ludicrous statements I've seen on here

      2. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        That would be bad news for my Costa pick....

        Haven't heard anything recently though

        1. Gooner97
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Do you think Batshuay will start?

          1. JÆKS ⭐
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Lukaku would surely be ahead of him

            1. Gooner97
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Cheers

  4. reason17
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    A) eriksen - Bolasie - Capoue
    B) Lamella - Townsend - gradel

    (2nd, 4th and 5th midfielders)

    1. pompeyfan
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      a. Although not sure on Bolasie

  5. Mayo for Sam
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Best midfielder for 6m or less for first 3 GW's

    1. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Most gone for Redmond

    2. bakayoko
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I went for Redmond because he might play up front. Might be tempted to switch to either Bolasie or Cabaye because of fixtures

    3. Rake
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Mark my words

      Max Alain Gradel

    4. il Brutto
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Bojan

  6. Juhlers
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Hey folks! RMT please 🙂

    ---

    Foster / Jakupovíc

    Terry / Baines / Wollscheid / Stones / Evans

    Payet / Eriksen / Sigurdsson / Fischer / Højbjerg

    Agüero / Ibrahimovic / Gray

    ---

    1. Horlicks esq.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      No chelsea attack, Payet not 100% fit, Fischer & Hojberg decent picks but not without more up top.

      6.6/10

  7. Will
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Any thoughts;

    A: Ibrahimovic & Mahrez
    or
    B: Sanchez & Vardy

    With Mahrez out wide, Sanchez possible up front & Ibra untested in PL I'm tempted by B

    1. El Muñeco
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Leaning towards B myself as well. I think Vardy will outscore Ibra first few games of the season. Also allows a switch back if it goes wrong.

    2. Cronos
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Go with your gut.

  8. bakayoko
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Am I GTG?

    ----------------- Foster Jaku

    Valencia Stones Williams Friend Lafferty

    Hazard Eriksen Barkley Ayew Redmond

    --------- Ibrahimovic Vardy Gray

    No early WC & planning on saving transfers so need a strong bench. Thoughts? 😀

    1. woodca04
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I think no aguero is a massive risk. I've even gone for triple captain on him this week

      1. Teddy Steddingham
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Why go triple captain? Surely save that till a double game week to allow two games for returns?

      2. Twiggy SRFC
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        You eejit

  9. Kevin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Guys please RMT. Think I'm done here, until the press cons come in at least. Thoughts? Any weaknesses?

    Foster, Heaton

    Valencia, Terry, Souare, Friend, Amat

    Hazard, Tadic, Firmino, Lamela, Capoue

    Aguero, Vardy, Gray

    1. moz_1983
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Nice. Good to someone else taking a half punt on Lamela as well.

  10. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Will Carroll reman centre forward for West Ham? Or is there a possibility Ayew will play there instead?

    1. Yome
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      WH also going to sign Calleri, he will challenge Carroll for the lone striker role

    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I doubt Ayew will take up that role.

  11. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Where will Ayew play at West Ham? First choice?

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Ask Adstomko

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Who he Bubz?

    2. Yome
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I can see him playing behind Carroll with Payet and Feghouli on the wings

      1. Doylaz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Yeah this is most likely, depending how Caroll does in the first few games there is a good chance Ayew will be moved up top.

  12. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    If Payet starts the season how we know he can... he could absolutely murder us with that ownership

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      No doubt, hoping he stays quiet, his ownership value takes a nose dive and then snap him up.

    2. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Casuals FTW?

    3. Over Midwicket
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I'm happy skipping him until he starts banging in the goals

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Which could be GW1 😆

        1. Over Midwicket
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No chance

          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Why not?

  13. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    A. Vardy + Tadic + Lamela
    B. Vardy + Redmond + Alli
    C. Ibra + Redmond + Lamela
    D. Vardy + Redmond + Lamela + 1.5 iTB to upgrade later

    1. El Muñeco
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vardy + Redmond + firminio?

      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Already have him

      2. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        ^ this
        Or D

        1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          D is where I'm at right now

    2. bakayoko
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vardy Redmond Eriksen. If not, then A

      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        +1

    3. President Giggs
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I'm on D, might switch Lamela for Noble or Townsend though

  14. lennyify
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    shaws or valencia

    and best mid
    alli ,redmond , tadic , oscar or deulofeu

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Valencia for me. And Alli easily out of them.

  15. Fantasytom
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    When are the press conferences today?

  16. HamezMace
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    All this late transfer activity is a real headache!

    Benteke, Mata Bolasie, Lukaku, Costa.....just decide where you're going!

  17. Energetics
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Keep changing back to the same team so think that's a sign I should stick.

    Foster (Jaku)
    Shaw Stones Friend (Kone Amat)
    Hazard Mahrez Tadic Ramirez (Capoue)
    Aguero Zlatan Gray

    Im already forming a plan in my head where I can bring in Benteke in GW 3

    Thoughts?

    1. TheEgyptianKing
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Gk - same as me so great
      Def - very strong, if Kone is at everton
      Mid- Ramirez is a risk, rest of mid are great
      For - Perfect

      Pretty good team

      1. Energetics
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks.

        Would rather have Vardy than Mahrez but can't settle on a way I'm happy with to allow this.

  18. TS9
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    What do you guys think?

    de Gea

    Van Dijk / Bellerin / Daniels

    Ayew / Deulofeu / Cabaye / Firmino

    Gray / Aguero / Vardy

    Feeling alright ATM on this. Strong from 3 but midfield I'm not sure about.

  19. Blurryface
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Alli or Eriksen?

    1. il Brutto
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Eriksen for me.

  20. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone else think Hull can do a Leicester this season?

    Think we might be badly underestimating them.........

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      No, no-one does.

    2. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I certainly dont think theyll be as bad as most are making out. Hernandez, Robertson and Snodgrass all great players.

    3. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      At least Leicester had enough fit senior players

    4. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah I think they're going to win the league

  21. Rake
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Leicester fans!

    What are the chances of Musa starting?

    1. Jazz!
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      35/65

      1. Rake
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        That's bad. Is it cuz his playing style is same as Vardy's? Okazaki is really bad, imo.

    2. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      He's in mine, really hoping for some starting luck here

      1. Rake
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Same here.

  22. il Brutto
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Not sure which keeper to start with, any help is appreciated.

    A) Schmeichel
    B) Forster
    C) Butland

    1. Ten Season Wonder
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      D) Foster

      1. il Brutto
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Don't trust WBA at all. Had him for a long time in my draft because of money problems but now that I've found the extra 0.5m no need to go back.

    2. Over Midwicket
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Definitely not C

      A or B look like good bets for the first few fixtures

    3. Zikry
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Do you have any cover for A or B? I'm currently on Forster but have Fuchs in defense.

  23. Ten Season Wonder
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Dunno about you lot, but even if Tekkers does join Palace, I certainly won't be in a rush to bring him in to my team...

    1. Teddy Steddingham
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Could dramatically boost Townsend as an option though

      1. Ten Season Wonder
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Townsend is an option anyway

  24. TaiwanHC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Hi guys! I'm new on the PL Fantasy site, so need a little help. Are you planning on ever using the subs you have or are they only subs?

    1. Teddy Steddingham
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Most likely I'll play my core team every week but, definitely going to use a rotation of GKs (Heaton / Foster). One of my defenders will never leave my bench but, my other two subs could see an outing now and then. When I have more team value / cheaper options reveal themselves I'll probably use my bench more in my starting 11.

  25. Teddy Steddingham
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone got an opinion on what Everton will look like post-Lukaku (assuming he leaves)?

  26. TOrlob
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    RMT please: Valdes (Foster) - Chambers, Stones, Shaw (Friend, 4.0m) - Tadic, Cabaye *or other 6.0m*, Hazard, Deulofeu (Fletcher) - Aguero, Lukaku, Kane

    Thank you!

  27. JÆKS ⭐
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    A) Costa + Mahrez + Williams

    B) Vardy + Martial + Souare

    C) Vardy + Alli + Williams

    Foster Jaku
    Valencia Stones Friend ____ Amat
    Hazard ____ Firmino Redmond Capoue
    Aguero ____ Gray

    1. gbpearce - AMERICAN DYCHO
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      C

      1. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers!

  28. SimonOwen
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    RMT
    Heaton
    Valencia Stones Friend
    Mahrez Firmino Redmond Lamela
    Aguero Imbra Carrolll
    Subs Foster Capoue Amat Kone
    Think I am basically there now...
    Potentially looking at Carroll / Gray and Valencia / VVD and not risking it on Redmond, any suggestions

  29. Razmataz
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Thought I would try to get a discussion going about budget options.

    Who are people thinking for safe budget options with potential returns?

    My thoughts currently are

    Valdes

    Friend
    Pieters

    Capoue
    Lako

  30. Nellirk
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Getting closer by the day, defence settled, but offensively I've come to a crossroad... Pick one and reason.. 🙂

    1)
    GK: Butland-Valdes
    Mid: Redmond-Firmino-Hazard-Alli-Capoue
    Fwd: Kun-Vardy-Gray

    2)
    GK: Foster-Jaku
    Mid: Tadic-Firmino-Deulofeu-Townsend-Capoue
    Fwd: Kun-Vardy-Kane

    (Reasoning for opt. 2: hard to pick from spurs mid, lam/erik/alli, and fixtures for town/deulo good. Tadic on set piece/pens, Haz very costly, Firmino with horrible fixtures.)

    1. Nellirk
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      *Firmino with horrible fixtures but in good form and potential striker role.

    2. Teddy Steddingham
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I'd probably go for 1) because of Hazard and I'm not sold on Deulofeu yet but, I'm really liking Tadic / Townsend as options from 2) (especially with Benteke at Palace)