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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Red Dagger ✪
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Kola or Kompany or both..?

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I've persoanlly gone for Kola

    2. Kroosin'
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Can't say without seeing your other defenders. Both are great options.

      1. Red Dagger ✪
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I have Kompany, Bertrand, Mee, Ake and fodder.

        1. Kroosin'
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          This looks decent for three at the back. Start with Kompany, you can switch to Kola if he starts regularly.

  2. Oven Glover
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Kolasinac & Fabregas or Monreal & Pedro? Have .5 ITB.

    Or should I get Walker over Kola?

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Easily K&F

      1. Oven Glover
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Treat yourself to a worm Mr Badger. Cheers

  3. gomez123
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Fab or Will??

    1. Viiksisika
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fab for rme

    2. frenchfries
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fab, but consider Zaha

  4. Mateja
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    pogba or mhki?

    1. Roberto Baggio
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Pogboom

  5. Carcaju
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Jesus + Mané

    B) Firmino + KdB

    I'm currently on A, but B doesn't look bad at all and is saves me 1.5M...

    1. Roberto Baggio
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus KDB.
      Find that extra 0.5

      1. Carcaju
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        That's too much City and zero Liverpool...

    2. Viiksisika
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. Mateja
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A definetly imo

  6. Roberto Baggio
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What's the headache ? Just get Pogba as he will outscore every pool mids above. 8.0 for attacking Pog is too much to resist !

    1. F4L
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      if he plays well tonight; yes

    2. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I am happy to sit and wait

  7. Kroosin'
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Not sure if it was posted earlier but Yaya Toure was quoted saying;

    "We’re more offensive with the two strikers up front. It's going to brilliant. It is not so easy for the defenders but they understand what the manager wants and I think in a couple of games we will see it work."

    1. F4L
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      *heavy breathing

    2. Tomerick
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      That just made my loins tingle.

  8. thorvaldsson
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I'm sorry but I have to put my Agüero blanket back on. The numbers are too good to ignore.

    Foster Elliot
    David Luiz Ake Zanka Lejeune Dunk
    Eriksen Mane Zaha Shaqiri Matic
    Lukaku Chicharito Agüero

    1. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      The numbers from the pre-season?

      1. thorvaldsson
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        his time in England

  9. F4L
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    League Cup tonight; big games

  10. Pariße
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Nice article, they aren't my prefered choices, but with the lack of nailed and proven budget strikers, I'm strongly considering Firmino as a 3rd striker, which means I'll have to downgrade Alli/KDB/Eriksen to someone cheaper like Salah. Might as well have double Liverpool coverage, although I was initally most likely to go without it.

  11. Smoky Johnson
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Let's have some score predictions ahead of the new Premier League campaign.

    Gameweek 1:
    ARS - LEI
    WAT - LIV
    CHE - BUR
    CRY - HUD
    EVE - STK
    SOU - SWA
    WBA - BOU
    BHA - MCI
    NEW - TOT
    MUN - WHU

    TM, green this post.

    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      2-1
      0-1
      3-1
      2-1
      1-0
      1-0
      1-1
      0-4
      1-2
      2-1

    2. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Gameweek 1:
      ARS - LEI 2-0
      WAT - LIV 1-2
      CHE - BUR 2-0
      CRY - HUD 1-0
      EVE - STK 2-1
      SOU - SWA 2-2
      WBA - BOU 1-2
      BHA - MCI 1-4
      NEW - TOT 1-3
      MUN - WHU 2-1

    3. Taking the Mkhitaryan
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      1-1
      1-3
      3-0
      1-1
      2-0
      2-1
      0-2
      1-3
      0-1
      2-0

    4. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      3-1
      0-3
      1-0
      2-1
      2-0
      2-0
      2-2
      0-4
      1-3
      3-0

    5. Tomerick
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      2-0
      0-3
      2-1
      0-0
      1-0
      1-0
      1-1
      1-3
      0-1
      2-1

    6. FPL-Gutten
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      2-1
      0-2
      2-0
      1-0
      1-0
      1-0
      1-1
      0-3
      1-2
      2-1

    7. Roberto Baggio
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      3-0
      1-3
      1-0
      2-2
      2-0
      0-0
      0-4
      1-5
      1-2
      2-0

  12. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How many (if any) City players do you have atm?

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      3

    2. F4L
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      tempted by 2

    3. Roberto Baggio
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      3 , KDB Jesus Danilo

      2 when Trippier recovers

      1. Viiksisika
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Also 2 when Danilo is benched GW1 😉

    4. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      0.

      1. Chris_White
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        :O

    5. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Probably going with 2

    6. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      2 KDB and Jesus

    7. AverageJoe
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Just kdb

  13. Twelve years a slave
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Type question, hit submit, look for replies but find new page has started.
    Unusable. Back for deadzone

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Typing about Ben Crabtree was unlikely to get a reply.

    2. Oven Glover
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No forum at the old Triggerlips.com?

  14. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is this 442 a good way to go ?

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric Daniels (Long)
    KDB Salah Wilian Zaha (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku (4.5)

    Otherwise I can switch to 343 with JWP and Firmino

    1. Cheers Geoff
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Rather the 3-4-3

  15. Cheers Geoff
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bottomed

    A) Ritchie and Yoshida

    B) Lindleof and JWP

    1. BobBradleysOpportunity
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

      1. BobBradleysOpportunity
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        both players nailed

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  16. BobBradleysOpportunity
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A or B ?

    A) salah + benteke
    B) Firmino + pogba (0.5 ITB)

    1. Cheers Geoff
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

      Answer my question above

  17. andrinho
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Loftus-Cheek
    B) Carroll
    C) Chalobah
    or
    D) McArthur

  18. MarvelouSuccess
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    lemina over jwp?

  19. willl
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Kane and Fraser

    or

    Firmino and Alli

    The 3m seems to go along way if you go Kaneless.

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Hmmmm tough one. I don't like Fraser, so B

      1. frenchfries
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Dont like fraser or Firmino, but A cause Kane

    2. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  20. NestorC
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is Firmino higher rotation risk than Salah?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No. Lower. 🙂

    2. Licky
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Firmino nailed I should imagine.

    3. NestorC
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers. Just hope he got the pens

  21. Whats the Mata?
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this? Could be my final team, 0.5m itb.

    DDG - Elliot
    Davies - Daniels - Stephens - Suttner - 4m
    KDB - Salah - Willian - Fraser - TomC
    Kane - Lukaku - Mounie

    Going with a premium keeper as United have amazing fixtures and wll surely keep a lot of Cleanies. Surely the cheapest and most secure way into that defense. WC to sort stuff later.

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      upgrade defence

  22. ooooo
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Henessey/Speroni
    Ake/Danillo/Davies/Cedric
    Willian/Salah/Zaha
    Kane/Lukaku/Jesus

    bench - Carroll, Chalobah 4.0

    Good to go or am I missing anything?.

    1. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good for a team with 3 big hitters upfront

  23. passdpuck
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is having both Kane and Alli too much attack from The Spurs? I'd like to keep kane, but i'm unsure about other options at Alli's price.

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No.

    2. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not at all. I prefer Eriksen over Alli though.

    3. Kroosin'
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kane + Alli/Eriksen are the best two players to double up from a team. 100% nailed and involved in points.

    4. frenchfries
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Unsure on Mane and Salah?

      1. passdpuck
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I'd prefer to stay away from them until I see how they start off. Could be an early transfer in. It's more so just a feeling than anything.

    5. passdpuck
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks everyone.

  24. THFC4LIFE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What's the better option lads?

    A. 343 with Fraser and Mee benched
    B. 433 Danilo with a 4.5 midfielder benched (already have T.Carrol?

    Cheers

  25. Scotty B
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone goin with no Southampton cover?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Maybe.

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nope. Cedric and Gabbi here can't ignore them fixtures

  26. Neil_Riley
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What do people think of this?

    Heaton Foster
    Cedric Stephens Dawson Daniels Mee
    De Bruyne Zaha Fabregas Tadic Carroll
    Kane Jesus Defoe

  27. F4L
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone binning Kane and going Jesus/Kun/Kaku

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A few.

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus Kaku Gabbi for me

    3. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus Kun Defoe.

      In other words, I'll be wildcarding early 😆

    4. Galza
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Can't do it. Won't do it

    5. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very likely, GW1 is more about coverage as the predictions rely very much on luck and Kane's price works against that.

  28. jimmy.floyd
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A Pedro Kompany
    B Salah Dawson

  29. frenchfries
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT please 🙂

    Foster
    Kola Ake Yoshida
    KDB Mane Zaha Ince
    Lukaku Kane JRod

    Myhill Carroll Mee Hünemeier

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good.

      1. frenchfries
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks

    2. Galza
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nice Lukakane team. Admire the Ince pick. Big Ballz

      1. frenchfries
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Have a gut feeling about him, hope it pays off

  30. Bruno Bruno!!
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on my current team going into GW1?

    Main worry is no spurs attacking assets

    Forster | Elliot
    Danilo Valencia Bertrand Alderweireld | Mee
    Pogba DeBruyne Zaha | Carroll McArthur
    Lukaku Gabbiadini Jesus

    0itb

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      the bias is strong with this one

    2. Galza
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Saintly