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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

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  1. Karan_G14
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Darmian should be nailed till he f*cks up!

  2. CrouchDown
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Bit late for my first draft but here goes...any feedback would be great!

    Foster Myhill

    Valencia Cedric Dawson (Suttner) (Mee)

    KDB Salah Fabregas JWP (Carroll)

    Lukaku Jesus Benteke

    1. Tomerick
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Most would advise against doubling up on West Brom defensive assets.

  3. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    https://twitter.com/WestHamUtd/status/894977763177660416

    Heard a lot of different reports about that striker for West Ham tonight.

  4. jiGGidyJ1
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Begovic
    Daniels Stephens TAA
    KDB Eriksen Salah Fraser
    Kane Lukaku Mounie
    Elliot Carroll Dunk Long

    Am I crazy for going this weak in defense?

    I realise that I'll only get 2 weeks out of TAA, but he can become Hegazi or Mee

    1. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I've got a similar defence atm but I'm not to sure about it lol

  5. Hotdogs for Tea
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    I am going to adopt the Ville Ronka tactic on transfers this season 😉

    1. bojack
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I said that last year and I'm saying it again this 🙂

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Which is?

    3. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Please enlighten us ignorants ?

      1. NorwichCityLad
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        What's his tactics?

        1. AA33
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Not to take hits

  6. St. Joseph
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Is it okay to punt on iwobi until alexis back?

    1. Byrnzie17
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I think so

      1. Dr. Agabuse
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        one week punt

    2. dougyd
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'd avoid. Alexis won't take long to back.

  7. Red Dagger ✪
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Thoughts on this team gents......?

    DeGea (Spironi)
    Kompany, Kola, Bertrand (Mee Mariappa)
    KDB, Mane, Zaha, Carroll (Romeu)
    Kane, Jesus, Mounie

  8. R.DON
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    How is my team looking.....
    Foster Elliot
    Kola Danilo TAA Tomkins Lowton
    Pogba Alli William Salah Romeu
    Jesus Lukaku Abraham
    Apprecate any advice

    1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Is Tomkins nailed.?.. I have heard no.. would love it if he was

      1. R.DON
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Not nailed but in contention

  9. VS10_
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Lemina is not a proper DM like Romeu. He plays beside a destroyer like Romeu in a 4231 or as a box-to-box preferably right sided CM in a 433.

    1. Atimis
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Still not as JWP I recon ? I know Lemina but not JWP that much

      1. VS10_
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        He plays in a similar position where JWP is used, not sure why people have this misconception that he doesn't. Not the exact same type of player but position is still pretty similar and could affect his time.

        1. Atimis
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 11 months ago

          Can he rather take place of Steven Davis ?

          1. VS10_
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 11 months ago

            Yes, of course. But it's still another midfielder added.

            1. Atimis
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 11 months ago

              Yah, good point

  10. Aarono23
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Kane and Zaha

    Or

    Jesus and Alli

    Other midfielders are KDB, Salah, JWP and TC

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Jesus and Alli

    2. Kizza_10
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Swap Salah for Ali and have Kane ?

  11. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Is this 442 a good way to go ?

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric Daniels (Long)
    KDB Salah Wilian Zaha (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku (4.5)

    Otherwise I can switch to 343 with JWP and Firmino.
    Any other ideas ?

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Switch I think

      1. Atimis
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        More flexibility that's a fact

    2. Dazzrb
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I'm on 3-4-3 currently, but might switch to 4-4-2 with Salah instead

      1. Atimis
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Haha, mind blown

    3. STEP rOVERS
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Firmino vs Salah.

      Salah for me

  12. Karan_G14
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Can't wait for a good performance from either Mkhi or Pogba tonight.

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Is it worth investing nearly 1/5 of the budget into Untieds attack though one of them and Lukaku?

    2. Oven Glover
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Why not both?

  13. zotter
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Rmt folks

    Foster
    Bertrand. Kola. Trippier. TAA
    Mane. Alli. Willian
    Firmino. Kaku c. Firmino

    Elliott. Sobhi. Carroll. Rosenior

    1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Trip is out mate

    2. gaurava1216
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      who's kola?

      1. Dr. Agabuse
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        kolasinac. trip defo out?

    3. gonzalocampos
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Who is TAA? Sorry to ask

  14. Gnu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Nearly there.
    A)Just whether to start with Trippier in my 15
    B) Stick with Salah ahead of Mane.

    Pretty happy although I thought Doosra's team gave me food for thought - that's never happenend before!! 😉

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I just switched salah to mane

      1. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Been on Mane but the 0.5 million is edging it.....just.

  15. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Those with Tomkins and schlupp probably want to reconsider. They both start tonight in a pre-season game v mesterham. Looks like it's a reserve team

    https://twitter.com/CPFC/status/894975483313610753

    1. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      #pva

      1. La Roja
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Cool kids have him 😎

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      It's not covered in pre-season tab.

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        might be a reserve pre-season game

    3. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Good shout Bemba...

    4. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      So does this mean Funes Mesa is nailed on?

  16. rakdaddy
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Who will perform better first six weeks, mane or alli? Already have Kane and firminio in my team so actually got coverage.

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Both could do very well !! Go for mane first two weeks

  17. La Roja
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    A) DDG Stephens
    B) Foster Kola

    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      A

  18. Kizza_10
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    A. Foster, Luiz, Monreal

    Or

    B. Courtios, Holding, Lindeolf

  19. Alan_T
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Have I only gone and cracked it?

    Foster, Myhill
    Cedric, Rangel, Daniels, Dunk, Dann
    Tadic, Alli, Zaha, KDB, Carroll
    Lukaku, Jesus, Firmino

    1. ralfb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      no kane?

    2. *Reformed-Character*
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Beautiful but that defence s doogpoop

    3. SerenityLater
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      He's only bloody done it folks.

    4. Pigeon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I hate seeing Rangel in teams

    5. Tomerick
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Stick to gardening.

    6. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Rangel and Tadic ... to Mariappa and Redmond imo

  20. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Is that a 4-3-3 for United or is Pogba further up the pitch ?

    Smalling making a mockery of any United defensive picks...pffft...

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Hoping Lindy has a solid game.

    2. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Hoping Darmian impresses

  21. dark91
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Will Lemina already start from GW 1 ?

    1. Fatboy_Slim
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      who did he sign for?

      1. dark91
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Saints

      2. Paganoi
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Southampton

    2. Paganoi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I seriously doubt it.

  22. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    any word on what time the Scoutcast will be?

    1. SerenityLater
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      9.30 i think

  23. AnfieldLad
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Who is more nailed lindelof, darmian or smalling?

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Stick me neck out... Lindy

      1. *Reformed-Character*
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Damian

  24. Scotty B
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Are Stones & Otamendi just as nailed as Kompany?

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      In a back 3, yes.

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      depends on the system, if 3 at the back yes. If 4 then no

  25. HNI
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    SO finally the match that will solve Pogba vs Mikhi connundrum...unless Lindelof screws up badly and put united to a point beyond return

  26. bojack
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Mkhi starts eh.

    Mourinho will want to win this quite badly so I find that interesting.

    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      I think he's on for a good season.

      1. bojack
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        If he plays regularly yes I agree.

    2. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Very tempted by Mkhi if he's believed to be reasonably nailed

      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        I'm finding it increasingly difficult to envisage a United team sheet without him. Who's better ?

  27. trikster102
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Reading this is making want to stick Milner back in my team and forget about the rest of Liverpool players for now. He's a defender who could be playing in midfield, atleast until Lallana is back, may still take the odd penalty (when Firmino isn't on the pitch?) and is ofcourse the cheapest of the lot.

    1. zotter
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Remember Liverpool also have can and wijnaldum who can play with Henderson in the double pivot.

    2. TheTinman
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Penalties are Milners

  28. Lallana's Bananas
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Think I'm done. Thoughts on this 11 player sky team.

    Lloris
    Bertrand Kolasinac Schindler
    Mane Mooy Phillips Salah
    Kane Jesus Mounie

    My only worry is three Huddersfield but they're good value for money and have good fixtures before the overhaul (pre-GW4)

    1. Red Dagger ✪
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Like it. Mine is similar

      DeGea (Spironi)
      Kompany, Kola, Bertrand (Mee Mariappa)
      KDB, Mane, Zaha, Carroll (Romeu)
      Kane, Jesus, Mounie

      1. Lallana's Bananas
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Nice

    2. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      Is Schindler nailed on- not much talk about him

      1. BobB
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        Schindler is on the (watch) list

      2. Lallana's Bananas
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 11 months ago

        I believe so but could be wrong

  29. the snazzy viking
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Pick a pair:

    A. Dawson + Mane (4-4-2)

    B. Willian + Gabbiadini + 1m (3-4-3)

  30. Galza
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 11 months ago

    Putting this out here now. Mikhi is in my team. Don't want any, jumping on bandwagon nonsense coming my way.

    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 11 months ago

      He's in mine as well...