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In our final article looking at the player list in the Sky Sports game, we bring you our top targets in attack.

While forwards don’t always offer the best value due to their inflated prices compared to the other positions, they more than make up for that in points.

Or at least the right forwards do.

The three top-scoring players in the game last season were Alexis Sanchez (285), Harry Kane (282) and Romelu Lukaku (248) who, when paired with the armband, were obviously the stand-out options over the course of the season.

They commanded hefty fees back then and do so again now. But skimping at the back and targeting value in midfield should afford us the ability spend the bulk of our cash on an expensive front two or three.

Using our transfer swaps to move the forwards in and out as fixtures and form dictate is also useful, as having expensive place holders means that any single player is potentially just one transfer move away.

It’s been a tried and tested recipe for success in Sky Sports over the seasons and the new overhaul feature appears to only strengthen this strategy.

And if a less expensive forward does challenge the heavy-hitters then we can react, maybe with a direct swap from midfield, although pre-overhaul, it seems foolhardy to take the risk.

As a result, our favorite picks won’t come as much of surprise.

The Picks

Harry Kane – 12.9 – 45.9% – Fixtures: new CHE BUR
Kane is the most owned player in the game, after picking up the Golden Boot last season and doing so in emphatic style, netting seven times in the final two fixtures. In fact, Kane’s record has been stunning since he first graced the Premier League, having scored 78 goals in 113 appearances to date.

He is also one of the few forwards to earn bonus through the shots on target route, picking up 26 points due to his unerring accuracy – the equivalent of five extra goals. The Englishman will be heavily captained pre-overhaul due to all Spurs’ fixtures falling on a Sunday, which makes him all the more appealing. There really isn’t any reason we can see not to go for Spurs’ talisman – unless you buy into the theory that he starts the season slowly.

Romelu Lukaku – 12.4 – 41.8% – Fixtures: WHU swa LEI
Manchester United’s new marquee striker signing scored 25 goals for Everton last term and ended up as the Sky Sports game’s third highest scoring player overall. He also managed four MoTM awards and six assists to supplement this tally. The prospect of playing in a more dominant team this season means that most would expect him to improve further on this total, with over 40% seemingly backing this theory. With a favourable three matches to start the season – and two of those falling on different days to Harry Kane – he offers an ideal front two captain partner for the Spurs assset.

Gabriel Jesus – 12.1 – 9.7% – Fixtures: bha EVE bou
Such is the dominance of Kane and Lukaku in early squad selections that last season’s wonderkid has practically been forgotten, with just over 9% making the swoop so far.

The Brazilian started only eight games (two sub appearances) due to injury after his January arrival, but still managed seven goals, four assists and two MoTM awards. His impact was great enough to leave the mercurial Sergio Aguero (12.8m) with bench duty at times. The duo are expected to start the season together, however, and form a deadly strike partnership. City have also been on fire in pre-season and, should either of the South Americans continue that form in the first three games, we may be forced into picking an incredibly expensive front three.

Alexandre Lazazette – 11.8 – 17.8% – Fixtures: LEI stk liv
Arsenal kick us off on Friday night and perhaps that is a factor behind the Gunners new front man attracting over 17% ownership.

Captain coverage is obviously key in Sky, and the Frenchman looks the best option for that fixture as it stands. Twenty-eight goals in as many starts for Lyon last season is obviously impressive, as is his rate of shooting of roughly 2.8 shots on goal per match.

Alexis Sanchez (12.7m) was the game’s highest scoring player, and if he remains at Arsenal will surely warrant serious attention post-overhaul. But he has been ruled out of the opener and perhaps the two matches that follow, so he has been excluded from our thinking.

Manolo Gabbiadini– 10.3 – 2.7% – Fixtures: SWA WHU hud
The Saints’ fixtures are the main attraction here, with the Italian our stand-out pick on offer.

Opponents Swansea City and West Ham both only managed two clean sheets away from home last season, while the newly-promoted Huddersfield Town shipped 32 goals on their travels in the Championship.

The January signing made an instant impact before tailing off, but he still managed to earn 47 points in just ten starts and one substitute appearance. In reality, it’s hard to look past the pricier options above, but Gabbiadini could yet offer us a cheeky differential at just 2.5% ownership.

Weekly Articles and Podcast

We’ll analyse the Man of the Match awards next, before checking out the bonus point kings in the build-up to Gameweek 1 on Friday.

Also, I’ll be talking through the week’s action and upcoming plans with FFS posters Buffrey and Lewis on our regular podcast – the latest episode can be found here.

We also have the dedicated RMT community article to exclusively deal with Sky Sports Fantasy teams.
Those looking to get involved should click this link.

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Get your teams in – the name is FFScout and the pin number to join is 8300422.

Previous Sky Sports Articles

The Overhaul
Player List – Goalkeepers
Player List – Defenders
Player List – Midfielders

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  1. boogle
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Does anyone know of any good free or paid leagues with prizes? Also any draft leagues going?

    Cheers!

  2. Koflok
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    1.
    A) KdB Alli JwP
    B) KdB Mkhi Willian
    C) Alli Mkhi Willian

    2)
    A) Salah Foster
    B) Firmino DDG

    3)
    A) Firmino JwP KdB / Alli
    B) Gabbi Salah Mkhi

    1. Steve Stiffler
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      1) B, or A if you dont have Kane
      2) A
      3) A

    2. nonprophet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      1b
      2b
      3a

  3. Abusement Park
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Fraser or JWP? Really can't decide

    1. Better Call Paul
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Doesn't matter both are good options at this stagge

    2. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      JWP who has the better fixtures, but I prefer GroB to both of them.

    3. Gabbiadini
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Neither, go for a 5.5 defender

  4. Steve Stiffler
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Kolasinac + Atsu or
    Davies + JWP ?

    1. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      if the mid needs to start i'd think 5mil def & 6mil mid

      1. Steve Stiffler
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        funds are tight, has to be this way man

        1. kennethrhcp
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          funds are tight, it's 11mil either way. I'm just thinking daniels & ince might be a good combo for the same price. just a thought

    2. nonprophet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Visionaries
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A for sure

  5. The real slim shady
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Latest dilemma. Firm and JWP or Gabi and Willian?`

    1. Steve Stiffler
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A

      1. Better Call Paul
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        A

    2. Sean.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      G & W

  6. TheTinman
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Guys, is there a way to export the Season Ticker to Excel? Or do I have to do it manually?

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I did. Copy and paste. Had to do it about 7 times.

      1. TheTinman
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        So you just copied and pasted the images? Is there a way to copy and paste the maths behind it?

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Hahaha. No. I do my own formulae. If you want mine, leave an email.

          1. TheTinman
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            That would be great, could you send it to shearer_god@hotmail.co.uk

            My old email.... 😉

  7. Who Ate All The Prawn Sandw…
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Every year, come week 3, I regret making too many punts. This year its is: Hegazi, Trent, Rosenior, Willian and Mooy. Is this too many again? You'll see from my ranking, I need all the help I can get!

    1. Better Call Paul
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I wouldn't say Willian is a punt tbh

      I have two or of the other 4

      Try and stick with only 2 punts max 3 I team

    2. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      You need to wean yourself off of the punting! Try 2 at most and see how you feel. Any dizzy spells thereafter please seek medical advice...

    3. nonprophet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I did it last year. Got one punt now, atsu

    4. Galza
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I should coco. 4 point hits all over the place in that. Guessing you have KaneKaku. Just pick one. Spend the surplus on the rest.

    5. Who Ate All The Prawn Sandw…
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks guys- appreciate the guidance. Yes Galza:KaneKakFirm
      Back to the drawing board.

  8. Hurrikane
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Where would you spend 1m?

    Fabianski | Elliot
    Cedric | Darmian | Lowe | Mee | 4.0
    Eriksen | Pogba | Salah | Ince | RLC
    Kane | Jesus | Chicharito

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Chicharito has had just 65 minutes of pre-Season.

  9. wolves_simmo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Whats with all the KDB love?

    1. CostaCoffee
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Great player, great pre season, great price

    2. Better Call Paul
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Most assists last season in a team that has only
      Got better and very good chance at title

      1. wolves_simmo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Better option than Jesus at 10.5?

        1. Better Call Paul
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          I think both are great options - but that extra .5 is useful

    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Money anxiety. Comfort from having the 10.0

      1. FPL Emu
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I'm curious - what do you even mean by this?

        1. Greenbackbøøg…
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Maybe that 10.0 is a nice round number

          1. FPL Emu
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            I'm guessing it's a sneaky way of transmitting "The tables say he's a bad option, so in fact getting him is almost irrational"

        2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Well his goal threat is limited, therefore, for me he is not a captaincy option. So, frankly, he is a complete no-go at that price.

          1. FPL Emu
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Is it, though? More advanced in the team right now. Hit the woodwork a fair few times last season too IIRC

            The problem is getting City attacking cover. Jesus and Aguero are predicted outside of the lineup by so many fans

            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              Yes, it really is. Over two Seasons, now.

    4. Steve Stiffler
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      aw gone back to bed

    5. MTPockets
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Team, form and easier to swap.

      • Pariße
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Premium player up there with Sanchez and Hazard, hit most posts last season and is bound to improve.

        1. wolves_simmo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          But Jesus is just .5 more? unless you've got both?

          1. Pariße
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            My latest draft has neither, because I want Agüero, but that may change. City are the favourites for an attacking double-up in my team.

    6. BlzE_94
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Would you play Atsu against Spurs or Carroll against Saints?

      1. nonprophet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Atsu, form

      2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Carroll, fixture

    7. andrinho
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Pick 1 please (already have Bailly)
      a) Kolasinac (£6m)
      b) Bellerín (£6m)
      c) Alderweireld (£6m)
      d) Monreal (£5.5m) -would free up funds for elsewhere
      e) Kompany (£6m)

      1. Podge
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        A

    8. Blues Cruise
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Is Bellerin nailed on to start and explode?

      1. FPL Emu
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I'd be concerned with Ox. Played really well on RWB end of last season

    9. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Hi guys

      Just about to go on the bog so will be free for around 10mins if anybody wants any top class advice.

      1. FPL Emu
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Ok.

        What's your opinion on the following players for FPL

        1) Pogba
        2) Kolasinac
        3) KDB

        1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          2 my pick. Better options than kdb who are cheaper. Pogba wait and see.

      2. Dreams
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Who is the best midfielder for 9.5?

        1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Alli/Eriksen

          1. Dreams
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Cheers Chappie.

            1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              How's your team looking?

      3. nonprophet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Hennessey
        Jones Cedric danillo
        Kdb salah Atsu Carroll
        Kane kaku jesus
        Elliot rlc hegazi long? What you think expert?

        1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Jones dodgy. Prefer Yoshida to Cedric. Rest is good imo. Atsu a punt but with that heavy front line something has to give.

      4. Ghost Gooner
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Pls rmt

        Hennessy
        Kolasinac Danilo Dawson
        Salah Willian Ritchie Fraser
        Kane (v) Lukaku (c) Jesus

        Elliott TC TAA Hunemeier

        1. @chapellefpl OR 577TH
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Really like this team. Solid. Would maybe take out TAA he's a transfer out waiting to happen.

    10. FPL Emu
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      1) Kolasinac in a 4-3-3 (with two 4.5 bench fodders in midfield)

      2) Ritchie in a 3-4-3 (with a rotating 4.5 instead of Kolasinac)

      1. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        1, i'd only consider 2 if you have a second 4.5m defender to rotate with.

        1. FPL Emu
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          I do. The 4.5 would be part of a three-way-rotation

    11. andrinho
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Is Otamendi nailed on?

      1. kennethrhcp
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        doubt it

    12. Blues Cruise
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Davies/Trippier?
      KDB/Silva? (Is KDB really worth from FPl point of view?)
      Walker/improve mid?

      1. andrinho
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Trippier (if fit) as Davies will be replaced by Rose GW2.
        KDB imo. Can you ignore the 21 assists?
        Improve mid

    13. FF Dirtbag
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Seeing a bit of Darmian love... is he actually going to play every game? May get him over davies if so...

      1. Greenbackbøøg…
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Simon Stone said he's gonna start

        1. andrinho
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          If you're thinking long-term, I'd say to avoid Darmian. He's the type of player who may play about 20-25 games.

          1. Greenbackbøøg…
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            I'm not right now though, as long as Darmian starts the first 5-6 I'll be happy

    14. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      FPL Top Tip.

      The Game starts on Friday.

      1. Better Call Paul
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Thought it was Sunday

        Thanks for the tip 😉

      2. Holmes
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        😮

      3. Dreams
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        A better tip. Deadline is 1 hour before Arsenal vs Leicester.

    15. Yordan Letchkov
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Worth to risk a weak defence for this attacking prospects?

      De Gea / Elliot
      Yoshida / Britos / Naughton / Hegazi / B Smith
      KDB / Pedro / Zaha / Ritchie / Carroll
      Kane / Lukaku / Firmino

      1. Sean.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Exactly where i am and i don't know the answer either

      2. Ghost Gooner
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I have Kane, Lukaku, Jesus and my team is better than this. Need a better approach

        1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          What's your team? I have Kane Lukaku and Firmino and mid stronger but def weaker...

          1. Ghost Gooner
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Hennessy
            Kolasinac Danilo Dawson
            Salah Willian Ritchie Fraser
            Kane (v) Lukaku (c) Jesus

            Elliott TC TAA Hunemeier

            If speroni is the 1st choice keeper Im using the 0.5 to boost dawson to a 5.5 or danilo to kompany/mendy

    16. Morbius
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Due to red flags / injuries to a few guys I'm resigned to:

      Foster | Elliot
      Cedric | Kolasinac | Daniels - (Mee / Suttner)
      KDB | Salah | Willian | Zaha* | Kachunga
      Kane | Jesus - (Quaner)*

      3-5-2 as above or Zaha to 4.5 and Quaner to Chicharito (3-4-3)?

      1. Ghost Gooner
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Choose one def to be a 4.5
        Downgrade KDB (you have Jesus)
        Use the money to improve 1 or two players

    17. Super Silva
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      andre gray going to watford.

      decent 3rd forward at 6.5 ?

      1. Greenbackbøøg…
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        bah

      2. Pariße
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Wait and see, but I think he'll turn out to be a great option. Not yet for GW1 though.

    18. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Iwobi worth a 2 week gamble?

      1. twoplustwo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        no way

      2. David Slade
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I like it

    19. twoplustwo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      If I may: Alli is 3m cheaper than Kane and scored the same amount of points last year. No brainer doing that spread?

      1. Greenbackbøøg…
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Kane played less games

      2. Miguel Sanchez
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        He also played 6 games more. But i get your point and am going Eriksen over Kane and spending the 3m elsewhere

      3. kennethrhcp
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I know going into a game i'd prefer to gamble on not having Alli than Kane. that being said... 3mil can make a massive difference in other areas

      4. Salah'd n Sauce
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        That's been my puzzle all day.
        Alli + Lukaku
        Vs
        Pogba + Kane

        Not much difference cash wise (0.5) and the points per minute works out almost the same.

        Tricky (and still undecided)

        1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          A because Pog will be a massive let down.

          1. Salah'd n Sauce
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Yeah, that's how I initially set up. I just can't stomach picking Pogba.
            Cheers.

    20. Dyslexia Untied FC
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A.) Zaha, KDB, Firmino
      B.) Mane, Fraser, Jesus

      1. twoplustwo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I have A

      2. MTPockets
          8 years, 8 months ago

          a

        • David Slade
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          A

      3. The Seagulls and the Trawle…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Been playing with my team and I see an alternative to my (pretty) solid initial draft. Here it goes:

        A) 3-4-3
        Foster (Elliot)
        Danilo, Cedric, Valencia (Mee, Rosenior)
        Alli, Salah, Zaha, Wilian (Caroll)
        Lukaku, Jesus, Gabb

        B) 4-3-3
        Foster (Elliot)
        Danilo, Daniels, Yoshida, Cedric (Mee)
        Salah, Zaha, Wilian (RLC, Caroll)
        Lukaku, Kane, Jesus

        Danilo will swap to Trippier when he's fit.
        What do you lads think?

      4. dashdriver
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Which 4.5 GK behind this defence?

        Stones / Yoshida / Dawson / Mee / Suttner

        Currently on Begovic.

        1. Salah'd n Sauce
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Hart?

          1. dashdriver
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Meh...

      5. Duffo
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Foster
        Yoshida | Bailly | Kolasinac
        Zaha | De Bruyne | Salah | Willian
        Kaku (c) | Kun | Abraham

        Elliot Carroll Dummett Long

        Thoughts?

        1. Old Gregg
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          similar to mine.
          Not worried about Spurs cover?

      6. Big Sam Time
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Like to hear people's thots on this

        Foster

        Valencia, daniels, yoshida

        Willian, de bruyne, salah, fraser

        Kane, lukaku, Gabbiadini

        Bench: elliot, carroll, long, rangel

      7. Emiliano Sala
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        What do you think of pogba guys?

        1. nonprophet
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Nope

        2. Old Gregg
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          waste of money.

          1. Old Gregg
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            in real life and FPL

      8. nonprophet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Hennessey
        Jones Cedric danillo
        Kdb salah Atsu Carroll
        Kane kaku jesus
        Elliot rlc hegazi long? Have to ask here, no real life fpl friends advice is worthy. They casuals..am I good to go, suggestions?

        1. MTPockets
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Midfield a bit dodgy. I'm trying to squeeze in same front 3 & it's difficult.