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9 September 2017 2700 comments
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Gameweek 4 gets underway with the showpiece fixture as Manchester City host Liverpool at the Etihad Stadium.

From a Fantasy perspective, the focus will clearly be on the attacking players.

City’s strikers head into the contest with impressive statistics to back them up. Sergio Aguero has scored in each of his five home meetings with Liverpool since arriving in the Premier League. As for Gabriel Jesus, he has been involved in 12 goals in his 11 starts, scoring eight and providing four assists.

But they will face a super confident Liverpool, boasting their own in-form “forward”. Roberto Firmino is the most bought asset over the international break, having found his way into 374,000+ squads since the Gameweek 3 deadline. The Brazilian has scored two goals and earned two assists in his four appearances against City.

Then we have the twin threats of Sadio Mane and Mo Salah – when they’ve started this season, they’ve scored, with five goals between them so far.

Salah is backed by over 238,000 new owners ahead of today’s encounter, only Henrikh Mkhitaryan (241,000+) saw more traffic among FPL midfielders since Gameweek 3.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Shultan
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    If you had both jesus & lukaku, would you get rid of either for Kane (C)next week?

    Was planning on doing jesus to kane but hard to get rid of a guy who just scored 2 & has good fixtures.

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    1. FPL_Sponge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I would still get Kane in, can't deal with Pep's rotation tendencies

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    2. Astronautovic
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Jesus is a great option but he never gets the full 90 mins

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      1. walkman666
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        What's more important are the starts and goals

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  2. Slow regard for silent thin…
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    KDB + Jesus for 18 points.
    Boom.
    No Pool players as I can't stand them

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  3. FantasyNik123
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    POINTS CHECK:

    -2.

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    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      2 from 1

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    2. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      8 from 2

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    3. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      0 from 0

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    4. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      -6 from 1

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      1. polis
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        You triple captained Mane? v City?

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        1. the snazzy viking
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          actually it's more like -2(-4)

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    5. Jigger & Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      12

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    6. fpltactician
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      1 from 1

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    7. Collie01
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      -2

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      1. Ab0mination
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        19 from 3

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    8. reddragons178
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      0 from 2....Mane and Firmino.

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    9. banskt
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      22 from 2 (including bps) -- Mane + Jesus (C)

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  4. eamonhegg
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    JWP AND DE BRYNE! Please no

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    1. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Struggled with who to get in for jwp and he starts. Bugger

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  5. Podge
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    That should put paid to any notion that silva is city cover

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    1. FPL_Sponge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      True

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    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      There is no such thing as City cover. They will get points, but will they be too shared to make them value?

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      1. polis
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I think this. Can you drop Sane after he scores 2? Who do you leave out? It's a minefield.

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    3. Obi-1 Kenobi-0
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Steps to prove how ridiculous that comment is:

      1. Click on your URL bar and go to fantasy.premierleague.com.
      2. Click the "transfers" tab.
      3. In the "view" drop down menu, select 'Man City'.
      4. Check the midfielders.
      5. See who is top and who cost less than those in 2nd and 3rd.

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      1. Podge
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Their best scoring mid is still no cover then. Simples

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  6. alfast1c
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Mendy essential ?

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    1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Seems like it

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    2. Astronautovic
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      This man can cross

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    3. La Roja
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I'd be essential against TAA & 10 men too

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  7. Gudjohnsen
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Feel sorry for Mané. Such agood player and so watchable. He will feel bad after this game. It was a red all day long, don't get me worng, but it would be really harsh to give him more than a three game ban. He also looked really lively before the red card.

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    1. alfast1c
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      agree. he was so promising and imo he would have scored for sure, or assist at least. but well...

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    2. Licky
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Nah I think that's a yellow tbh, perfectly entitled to go for that ball, not sure what Ederson is trying to do.

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      1. Ramboros
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Stud first straight leg into the head of Ederson with a ton of momentum. No idea how anyone can say it's not red.

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        1. Licky
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          It looks bad, yes, but Mané goes for that ball so quickly there's not much he can do about it. If he goes for that ball with nobody around him nobody makes a big deal of it, but Ederson gets caught in no mans land and all of a sudden its a red. Again, I'm not really sure what Ederson was trying to accomplish there, trying to shoulder Mané or the ball?

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          1. MrZ
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            It's a red. Unlucky red.
            High boot style can get caught when defender try to head the ball, let alone keeper.

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      2. JustPark
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Saving his team from conceding?

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        1. Licky
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Amazing analysis, I'd never have guessed.

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    3. Pinky Blinders
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah it was bad but it didn't seem like there was any malicious intent. Sucks that it happened. Wonder how Cout might be impacted

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  8. cjhewitt92
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Moreno Mbemba Kane to Alonso Tripper and Jesus thoughts

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    1. Pigeon
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No, Trippier not nailed

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  9. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Let this sink in

    Brendan Rodgers P72. Pts 138
    Jurgen Klopp P72. Pts 131

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    1. Sims
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Flopp

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    2. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Lol. Is the grass greener?

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    3. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      It's almost as if context is pointless

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      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        You've been Bemba'd 😉

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    4. twoplustwo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      He really isn't the messiah

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    5. pjomara
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Suarez got a lot of Rodgers points for him

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      1. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        But in fairness, does that matter?

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        1. Nascimento
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          yes

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    6. amol
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      One had Suarez and an injury free Sturridge, don't be such an idiot.

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      1. Sims
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        he's just stating facts not giving any opions

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    7. andymck
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Is someone going to post this every time we lose?

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  10. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    People might opt for Jesus or Kun now if Kane stays quiet...

    Silver linings and all that 🙂

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  11. FantasyNik123
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Rival, who is the definition of a casual will leapfrog me easily this week with Sane, De Bruyne and Aguero (c). 38 points before Baps. Lovely

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    1. Superflymonk
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      That is a monstrous haul! Esp from just 3 players.

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    2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      define "casual" without sounding like a d!ck

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    3. JRM
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Early doors, won't last. Good start to the GW for all the casuals who hung onto City players.

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    4. banskt
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Having Sane, KdB and Aguero is by no way, "casual" -- not in any stretch of imagination.

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      1. JRM
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        KDB producing nothing at 10 mil and dropping to a holding role? Sane off the bench and playing wing back? Tell me one top player who still had those two.

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  12. Gooner Kebab
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Whoever held on to KDB deserves the points.

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    1. Sims
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      yes we want those below 3m to do well too

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    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Appreciated.

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    3. FantasyNik123
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No. Casuals don't deserve anything.

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      1. Gooner Kebab
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        I read your comment above, it's tough sometimes!

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    4. Cojiro
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Too many points chasers on here

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    5. BoleynWin
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I had the dilmmena all week whether to transfer out or not, this was going to be his last chance to shine for me... Thankfully he did.
      Other bitter comments about people who kept him in being 'casual' are amusing, knee jerk point chasers on the other hand are fine.

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  13. Superflymonk
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Very unpredictable game. No one saw that scoreline coming. But what a difference a red card can make in the game! Hopes for a WBA clean sheet.

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  14. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    I fear that I may have been a bit hasty doing Jesus to Lukaku in GW3.

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  15. Malcolm Tucker for England …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Just got in and saw the red card.
    Agreed no intention, but the rules say that's a red. Unfortunate but that's it.

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    1. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Klopp was spot on. The keeper was out 20 yards from goal. Mane was well within his rights to challenge for it.

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      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Just thinK that dangerous play on a keeper should be applied to incidents in the box. No one invited Ederson to come charging out of the box.

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        1. MFC86
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Agree

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      2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        not with his studs that high. Endangering the opponent doesn't say where on the pitch they should/shouldn't be

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        1. Jigger & Pony
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          This

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        2. fedolefan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          At the area of the pitch the incident occurred, he obviously can't have been playing the keeper. A regular outfield player and may be a case for dangerous play is justified, but Ederson had no business being where he was.

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          1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            that is possibly the silliest thing you've ever said, fella.
            So it's a red if it's Stones but not Ederson....?

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            1. fedolefan
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              Yes. Silly indeed. There needs to be discretion applied to dangerous play incidents that result in red cards.

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            2. fedolefan
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              I know it's hard to understand. Think of it this way. Mane had no real reason for dangerous play. He was well clear of all outfield players. Ederson created the situation by charging out of the box.

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              1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                Think of it this way. Any player on the pitch has a right to be there. If he'd nailed the ballboy at that point on the pitch i might agree

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          2. JedJez
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            he can be anywhere on the pitch though - unlucky and it's the second red in two weeks for me - but it's a red

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      3. Ramboros
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Was Mané well within his rights to jump before he challenges for the ball, then raise his leg way above his waist and keep it straight?

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      4. Fanta sea
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        1) Mane knows Ederson will be there because he tried to collect the ball at head height. If Ederson was not there, he'd be collecting that ball much lower.

        2) The Keeper being 20 yards from his goal line means nothing. If that was John Stones, it would still be a red card. It was a head high challenge with high reward if he go there before Ederson. He didn't, he caught the player and he rightfully gets sent off.

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        1. fedolefan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          1) So, that's the risk Ederson runs. Playing yourself into a dangerous position is not fair play.

          2) The keeper being 20 yards from goal is what's wrong with it. As I said earlier, if it was an outfield player, the red card was probably deserved. Read my post. Mane was well within his rights to assume he was clear since he beat the last outfield player.

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          1. RealSocialDads
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            The keeper is allowed anywhere on the pitch, his position has no bearing on the decision, mane knew he wasn't clear and knew ederson was coming

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            1. fedolefan
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              I know he is, and I'm arguing his position should have a bearing on the decision. Not that it wasn't a foul or dangerous play with a high foot.

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    2. Alnair
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Actually the rules say it's not. Dangerous play without excessive force is a yellow card.

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      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        "PLAYING IN A DANGEROUS MANNER

        Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury."

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        1. Alnair
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          I clearly said it was dangerous play mate but that is not always a red.

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          1. Jigger & Pony
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Studs in someone's face is a red all day

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            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              only by the laws of the game, not the pub

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            2. Licky
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              I think this is the problem with 'intent', it was a complete accident, Mané is playing to injure someone but Liverpool (or any team for that matter) still get punished.

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              1. Licky
                • 13 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                isn't* That didn't come off.

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                1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  8 years, 8 months ago

                  that's like saying you can do anything if you don't realise it's wrong

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              2. Jigger & Pony
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                You can also get red cards for accidental challenges if your actions endanger an opponent. It doesn't always have to be intent.

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            3. fedolefan
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              No one invited Ederson to come charging out. Mane was well within his rights to assume he was clear. Ederson runs the risk with charging out. Not the other way round.

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              1. Jigger & Pony
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                Don't understand the charging comment. Both players are entitled to go for the ball. Just that Mane doesn't get the ball and instead gets Ederson's face...

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            4. Alnair
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              Only if the force applied is more than what was needed to attempt to win the ball. Elbows, dangerous tackles from behind etc are reds.

              A high foot is typically been a yellow card tbh.

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              1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                or if it endangers the safety of an opponent which then becomes serious foul play.

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      2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        "...with excessive force OR endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
        http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

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        1. Alnair
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed

          Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned

          Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

          http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct

          Obviously the 2nd one applies as there wasn't excessive force for the 3rd one.

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    3. Fanta sea
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      100% agree. Unfortunate but clear red.

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      1. Alnair
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Read. The. Rules.

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        1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          you really should understand them too....

          clearly states endangering the opponent is serious foul play and differentiates from use of excessive force.

          Learn. To. Understand. English.

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          1. Alnair
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            By that logic Ederson should've been sent off as well for clattering into Mane from the side.

            The rules clearly say reckless challenges are to be cautioned.

            Learn. To. Understand. Period.

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            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              ok, pick the bits you want and ignore the rest.
              Have fun....

              some people, eh?

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              1. Alnair
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 8 months ago

                But you did exactly the same thing /facepalm

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  16. Bilbao Baggins
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Even de bruyne took a hit to get himself out his fantasy team

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  17. The Wise Owl
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    On the plus side, my draft team is doing well

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    1. Gooner Kebab
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Sane?

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      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Sane and Kun in mine 😎

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  18. FantasyNik123
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    And now, to turn our attention away from one of the most frustrating games of the season: WE'RE BACK ON KANE WATCH. Hurricane Irma warning? No. Everyone watch out for the HARRYKANE WARNING.

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    1. Astronautovic
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Hattrick incoming

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      1. FantasyNik123
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Surely now, after watching my players fail miserably will Kane bless me with some golazos.

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  19. Twelve years a slave
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Congrats to all De Bruyne owners, good to see patience rewarded.

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    1. RMA
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      it's a trap. now ppl are going to keep for a couple more blanks 🙁

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    2. Dokdok666
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Will always be bad value since you will never captain him

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    3. JRM
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Patience expired after the Bournemouth game. Shocked that he was kept by anyone but casuals.

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  20. Iceball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    In Jesus we trust!

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  21. T444
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Ederson should get a ban for headbutting Mane's foot so hard. No place for it

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  22. Foozeball
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Leave it to KDB to show up big when we all least expect him to and punish us for selling lol

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    1. Gudjohnsen
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      FPL in a nutshell!

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  23. Gudjohnsen
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A Kane hatrick is incoming!

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    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Already hit the hat trick.. of blanks

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  24. Twelve years a slave
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    How was Stones today?

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    1. @persecuted_by_mods
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Same as always, sending off made city dominate and from then he had an easy game

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        1. Gudjohnsen
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Looked shaky first 35 mins then something happened.

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      • KingNidge
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        All over the shop as per usual til the sending off

        Comfortable after that and should have scored

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        1. @persecuted_by_mods
            8 years, 8 months ago

            It's unanimous!

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      • Jigger & Pony
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Carra, Henry and Kolo all agreeing it was a Red. Klopp disagrees...

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      • GAMBIT
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        0.3 short of Mane, Monreal > Alonso, Hazard

        Think I'm going to wildcard

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        1. Astronautovic
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          How does the rest of your team look like?

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          1. GAMBIT
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            Not too shabby, was planning on WCing next week anyway, might as well do it a week earlier

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      • tambourineman
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        New article:
        http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2017/09/09/dugout-discussion-gameweek-4-saturday/

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      • AnfieldLad
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Mane owner and took Danilo + KDB out for a hit. Nice start 🙂

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      • amol
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Don't rush to get in City assets now, they won't be playing us every week.

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      • Gudjohnsen
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Pep is still overrated.

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