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3 January 2018 4961 comments
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The penultimate fixture of the packed festive schedule gets underway at 7.45pm as Arsenal and Chelsea go head-to-head at the Emirates.

For the hosts, Alexis Sanchez has upped his output in recent weeks – after a slow start to the season, last term’s top scoring player in Fantasy Premier League has delivered points in seven of his last 10 league appearances.

That form suggest that the Chilean is likely to pose the main danger to a defence that’s conceded just four times in their previous 11.

Nonetheless, it’s Alexandre Lacazette who is the Gunners’ most captained player for Gameweek 22, handed the armband by 2.02%.

The Frenchman has been a consistent source of points at home, producing a goal or assist in seven of his 10 appearances, but he’s struggled for a cutting edge of late and failed to find the net since Gameweek 15.

A return to form could reignite interest in Lacazette ahead of four kind fixtures (bou CRY swa EVE) in as many Gameweeks.

Despite a run of two goals in the last nine Gameweeks, Chelsea’s Alvaro Morata (3.7%) is the top armband pick for this fixture.

That lack of form means that the Spaniard and team-mate Eden Hazard were among the top five most transferred out players for Gameweek 22, sent packing by 243,000+ and 207,000+ respectively.

Hazard has mustered just a single assist in five yet both he and Morata also have some decent fixtures ahead to arrest their recent declines – over the next five Gameweeks, Antonio Conte’s side host Leicester, Bournemouth and West Brom and also make their way to Brighton and Watford.

Encouragingly for Hazard’s owners, he looks set to return to a central role with the visitors rolling out a 3-5-1-1 formation.

The Gunners, meanwhile, welcome back Mesut Ozil from a minor knee problem, though injuries in defence means that Arsene Wenger is forced to field the likes of Calum Chambers, Rob Holding and Ainsley Maitland-Niles in his starting line-up.

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  1. Time to break free of Salah?
    Salarrivederci
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    Has the time finally come to ditch Salah and break free from the flock?
    I want to point out, that this first and foremost addresses the 9% of the managers who got rid of Salah before this GW.

    Salah has been incredible so far, but before you ask me to visit the doctor or delete my FPL team let me walk you through my thought process! 😀

    1. Coutinho is leaving.
    Alright so people are already getting rid of Coutinho, and with his leave Salah needs to deliver, but it will get harder due to the fact, that Coutinho is such a brilliant player who can pass the ball just right to Salah. Really not much more in it. Without Coutinho I expect Pool to struggle scoring the same amount of goals pr. match. This one is subjective, but I can't be the only one to think that Coutinho is/was vital to the Pool offensive.

    2. Midfielders vs. Forwards.
    My second point is more objective 😉 When it comes down to select midfielders and forwards it is much easier to select midfielders than forwards and be happy about it. At the moment Kane, Agüero and Firmino seems to be the 'only' three who we really trust or like. You could argue, that Rooney and Vardy and a few others can prove to be good value, but the way Everton plays and the fact that Vardy does not seem to deliver combined with tough fixtures to come the above mentioned would be the dream forward front 3.
    Midfielders on the other hand - well take your pick, and feel happy about it!
    KDB, Sane, Sterling, D.Silva, Salah, Hazard, Sanchez, Özil, Son, Alli, Eriksen, Pogba, Lingard, Richarlison, Zaha, Groß, Arnoutovic and so on. The point here is, that it is easier to replace a good midfielder with another good midfielder than to do so with a good forward.

    3. Time to only play with 1 offensive Pool player?
    If so then I would argue, that Firmino is more essential than Salah due to previous arguments made. It is much harder to replace Firmino at the moment than Salah due to the slim pickings in the front 3. The reason why I question double/triple Pool attack is simply the fact, that they will sell Coutinho. I don't trust Mane, Firmino and Salah to deliver nearly as much without him. They won't play nearly as fast which would result in more balls in the box, where Firmino is just as great of an asset as Salah? I know this is pushing it a bit since most teams is different, but would you rather have Firmino + 10 mil midfielder OR Salah + 9 mil attacker (provided you will only have 1 offensive Pool player going forward)

    4. 10.0 to get him back after City.
    Is he worth it now? You will either need to sell Hazard or prioritize Salah > KDB / Hazard. City won't stop scoring. They are brutal, and I would rather keep Hazard and get KDB or get Sane and upgrade a defender.

    Not saying FH, WC and 2 free transfers can't get you Salah back in, but I just tried to make my transfers for the next few weeks, and I kept telling myself, that I should get Salah back in after City, but then it struck me, that I would rather keep Hazard and get KDB in as my third City player, and I would feel as happy as someone not owning 50% ownership Salah could feel. Firmino would be my Pool cover, but my other offensive players would be something like: Sterling, KDB/Sane, Hazard, Son/Lingard, Kane and 1-2 cheapies depending on Son/Lingard and KDB/Sane. (Sane could actually result in this front 8: Sterling, Sané, Hazard, Son, Lingard, Firmino, Kane, DCL)

    A mad thought or did I seal my fate after selling Salah before the GW 😀 ?

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      I sold Salah too. This needs to be a hot topic!

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Well thanks. My first day as a member - figured I wanted to contribute a bit.
        But really. After I sold Salah I find myself in the position of wanting KDB and Hazard more than Salah.

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I understand. But it's very dangerous to go without him. KDB and Hazard would really need to keep pace with him,

          1. Salarrivederci
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Ye it is. I would probably get him back on WC for DGW and TC him or something, but at the moment I would rather get KDB and keep Hazard than pay 10.0 to get him back and play with double Pool before I see how they are doing without Coutinho..

            I am getting laughed at - I can feel it 😉

    2. Jazz!
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      No.

    3. Prøfeßör …
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Hot topic worthy but definitely mad. 🙂

    4. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Chapter 1

    5. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Selling Salah was a mistake.

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Not this GW, but maybe in the long run. And maybe only IF I buy him back?

        1. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          This GW of course going without Salah was fine but going without him from now on? Don't think its the right call. Every goal will be a red arrow.

          1. Salarrivederci
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Not if KDB and Hazard gets the same or more. Have not captained Salah once this season. On -92 in hits and I am in 25K after tonights game. Not saying people should get rid, but those who sold him (and made that mistake according to you - what can/should they do now?)

      2. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I could see myself TC him in a DGW when I activate my WC though.
        But for the next many weeks I might just put my faith in Firmino.

      3. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        this

    6. Chazz69
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Salah without Coutinho .... Factor i'd say

      1. Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Wrong see below

    7. Ambrosiana Inter
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Dunno I ve been without salah all the season, and that is why I am behind shit teams in my league...now that he hasn’t deliver and he s out i m catching up...
      Is risky to go without him as many people have him...
      I think pool be ok, they got Lallana back which is always good,and also good value for fpl...

    8. Homo Neanderthalensis
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Salah was scoring even when Coutinho wasn’t

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Yes true. But will he outscore KDB/Hazard over the next 6 weeks without Coutinho.
        Those of us who sold him needs to pay the same amount to bring in Salah > KDb/Hazard

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Lingard has outscored those 2 in 9 weeks he's regular minutes by 7 KDB and 27 Hazard

        2. Biancazzurri
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          if he plays, he outscores Hazard and possibly KDB.

          Salah's in the golden boot mode now, can't see anything stopping that, not even Coutinho's departure.

    9. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Salah scored 67pts in 8 games without Cout including 12min late sub so that argument invalid

    10. Bad Kompany
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      I personally wouldn't. Cout leaving I don't think will affect him much as Cout has been injured for most of the season. I know that he's expensive at 10 but he's the leading scorer by over 20 points and is so consistent and explosive that he's worth it. He offers the best value for anyone near that price besides Sterling

    11. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 8 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      +1 I'll read it later, a little boss eyed to concentrate on long posts atm.

      I've always found peeps posting tldr rather rude actually.

    12. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Lol... Salah was great without Cout early in the year and people were worried Cout would take away from Salah when he got healthy...

    13. Kiwivillan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Point 2 is completely wrong and includes mids that haven't delivered for ages etc

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Ye I might have put a few names to prove a point, but seriously - who can we get as forwards and feel happy about? Firmino, Agüero and Kane.

        The midfield is different. So many good options, and Salah is simply taking a spot. I know about 50 - 99% will disagree calling me mad, but I would rather have Firmino + KDB than Salah + Vardy/Rooney/Firmino (again teams ar different, but those are my options)

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I'd rather my midfield and Kane DCL Depoitre +5.4 to spend than those 3 atm

          1. Salarrivederci
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Not gonna run with Vardy, Rooney and Firmino.

            What I was trying to say: If I decided to go with only 1 Pool I can either go Salah + 9mil forward or KDB + Firmino?

            Or I could go Sane, Lingard, Firmino > Salah, Firmino, Atsu / KDB, Firmino, Atsu

        2. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Play with one forward, there are loads of defenders offering great points

    14. Feed tha Sheep
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Ridiculous he is the best FPL this season

    15. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      The "coverage" and "mids vs fwds" stuff is meaningless. You have hazard and kdb in your line up there at salahs price point. I'd back salah over either.

      1. Salarrivederci
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        But moving forward I am not sure, that I would like to go 2 Pool attackers which would force me to go Salah + Vardy/Rooney or KDB/Firmino.

        Again it is first and foremost for the sellers, but those who did sell now need to get rid of Hazard, ditch the idea of KDB or take -8's to get Salah back in (That's my situation)

        1. Lawrø
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Salah and Firmino. Done.

        2. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          This basket wasting coverage nonsense you are hung up on is pointless. Players don't score different depending on how many red shirts are on a random fpl screen.
          You are assuming people have hazard and need kdb. Neither is true. I swappes kdb, Salah, Richarlison for eriksen, alli, Arnautovic. I can get salah back with a FT whenever I want. Or kdb or hazard but I want salah because he'll get more points

          1. Salarrivederci
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            No I am simply trying to question whether we should on on to double Pool attack now Coutinho is leaving?
            If it will affect Firmino and Salahs returns which of those should we hold on to given the alternatives?

            Does Firmino + Sane + Lingard look better than Firmino + Salah + Atsu ? That is currently what I am trying to decide. And if I decide to only go with 1 Pool player could Sterling, KDB/Sane, Hazard, Son, Atsu/Lingard be my best option?

            I just think Firmino is one of the best strikers to have in your team due to lack of alternatives. Salah at 10? I can replace him if I decide to go with 1 Pool attacker, and if I decide it's worth the risk to trust Sane/KDB/Lingard over the next few weeks.

    16. MTPockets
        7 years, 11 months ago

        1. In the games where Coutinho was absent, Salah got 7G, 3A
        2. Salah has 17G, 7A. And it's Jan 3rd
        3. Firmino has 9G, 5A. And more streaky
        4. Shoulda woulda coulda

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          nice succinct rebuttal

      • Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Point 3 wrong. Firmino isn't and never has been more essential than Salah this season

      • Gimli son of Gloin
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I would love if lots of people got rid of Salah because I'd be getting loads of points that they're not getting.

        He's scored more than 10 points in 9 of 21 games so far. Between 7 and 9 in 5 others. Madness to get rid.

      • Jigger & Pony
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Salah is more critical than Hazard or KdB currently. This could all change. But for me Salah and Sterling are a must in midfield.

        PS - I sold Salah for Alli but will be buying him back after the City game.

      • Lawrø
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        LOL.

        Thanks for putting time into this post but I think you're a tad bonkers 😆

      • Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Point 4. Before today Hazard 15pts last 6 game weeks for owners. Less than 3ppg is criminal for that price. Even after today 25 in its 3.5ppg

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          *17 and 27

        2. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Ye, but I owned him. That's life. Looking forward and tring to figure out what to do now. I realize that Salah has been the greatest FPL player this season, and thank god I owned him most weeks, but I could see/hope KDB/Hazard outscoring him in the next 6 weeks. Remember I now have to pay 10.0 to get him back. I know he did great without Coutinho, but I do honestly think Coutinho leaving will influence his future points.

      • Fitzy.
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        "..and I kept telling myself, that I should get Salah back in after City, but then it struck me, that I would rather keep Hazard.."

        Were you thinking that way before Hazard scored today?

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          This. Hazard reference is bonkers. 43pts in last 9. I use 9 as 9AL (after Lingard)

        2. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I like the fact that mere 8% owns Hazard and 50% owns Salah. I can either make the template team and stay in top 50K or try to push it for the win and glory? 😉 What's so wrong about that? Hazard and Salah are almost same price now that I sold Salah. Hazard have nice fixtures and takes pens. I don't mind owning him > Salah tbh.

          1. Fitzy.
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            You should be a politician! Avoided answering my question despite a lengthy reply... 🙂

            1. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Haha 😉 Sorry.

              No my plan was to either take a hit to get Salah back for Eriksen or downgrade Hazard. However Hazard is my way into top 10K (whether I like it or not) 😉 8% ownership. If he can outscore Salah over the next few weeks it will be gold.
              And now I simply consider KDB/Sane > Salah (Sane would mak me able of Atsu -> Lingard)

          2. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            So the tldr version of your post is "I think hazard will outscore salah"
            Good stuff, predictions is the name of the game. I think you are wrong but don't let that stop ya.

            1. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Or KDB to outscore Salah. Plan was to either do Hazard > Salah next week or to tae a hit and do Eriksen -> Salah. Now I consider Eriksen -> Sane and Atsu -> Lingard (completly ignoring Salah) or do Eriksen -> KDB (-4)

              1. Get up ya bum
                • 16 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Kdb and hazard certainly have it in them to outscore him. Still seems unlikely to me. Salah is a goal machine and klopps system is designed to maximise his chances. I don't see anyone on par with salah and Kane so I'll keep the differentials for other positions

                1. Salarrivederci
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Yes, and he was great when Coutinho had a that 'back problem' 😛 But Coutinho really add something to that offense, and I just fear that Salah will miss out on some points (not all but some). And at the moment I can either my choice is: KDB - Atsu - Firmino OR Salah - Atsu - Firmino OR Sane - Lingard - Firmino. Due to the fact I want to hold on to Hazard and not using WC or taking more than -4.

                2. joeydelucchi
                  • 8 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  thats exactly it, people worry too much about trying to break away from the template, however the key is about making the differentials elsewhere, in the other positions.....going too much away from the template is suicide

      • Caleb's Kitties
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Good luck..but very likely early season KO..

      • barracuda
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        If you like red arrows, go for it.

      • Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        You make a good case there.

        Nice post. +1

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          It's a horrible case as rebutted

      • Reiko
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I remember some seasons back when Ronaldo cost 14.0. Everyone had him, but I was too adamant saying that he is just too expensive for one man, and was pretty sure i could match his output with 2 or 3 good players, the likes of Lampard & Gerrard. That was my worst season in FPL.

        Watching Salah play u know he is going to get a goal anytime soon with the kind of runs he makes and the chances he gets. I will keep Salah. Thank you very much.

        1. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Fair point, but you did not sell him either. Those of us who did sell Salah before the GW is in a different situation. He is now worth the same as KDB. Or could be Sané + Alonso > Salah + Christensen just to give an example.

          9% of all the players did sell him tbefore the GW 😉 That is 500.000 - sure someone is now wondering what the heck to do besides me 😀

      • PickleRick
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Your logic is that Coutinho leaving affect Salah but not Firmino?
        Nonsense

      • andy85wsm
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        1. Coutinho (might be) leaving

        Here's Salah's record where Coutinho has missed games:

        GW1 - Watford (a) - 1 goal, 1 assist (11 points)
        GW2 - Palace (h) - 1 point - 29 minutes played
        GW3 - Arsenal (h) - 1 goal, 1 assist (11 points)
        GW4 - Man City (a) - 1 point- 45 minutes played
        GW10 - Hud (h) - 1 assist (4 points) - he missed a penalty this game
        GW11 - West Ham (a) - 2 goals (15 points)
        GW14 - Stoke (a) - 2 goals (13 points)
        GW16 - Eve (h) - 1 goal (11 points) - Coutinho played for 12 minutes in this game

        67 total points in 8 games = 8.4 ppg

        2. Midfielders v Forwards

        It's true, there are lots of midfielders to choose from which is why 3-5-2 is back in fashion. One of the best is Mo Salah 🙂

        3. Time to play with only one Pool player

        See point 1 for Salah

        For Firmino:

        GW1 - Watford (a) - 1 goal, 1 assist (12 points)
        GW2 - Palace (h) - 2 points
        GW3 - Arsenal (h) - 1 goal, 1 assist (12 points)
        GW4 - Man City (a) - 2 points
        GW10 - Hud (h) - 1 goal (8 points)
        GW11 - West Ham (a) - 2 points
        GW14 - Stoke (a) - 2 points
        GW16 - Eve (h) - 1 point (23 minutes played)

        43 points in 8 games = 5.3ppg

        Not as good as Salah (to be expected) but it matches up with his 5.2ppm for the season which is only behind Kane and Aguero.

        4. 10.0 to get him back

        Well if you sold him this is true and I guess I can see why you'd have to weigh up the options at a similar price.

        A lot of us got him for a lot cheaper. My hope is that it was a mistake to sell the best FPL asset of the season so far for what could be just 1 game. Look what happened earlier in the season when people did that.

        The hot topic title should be - "Time to break free of Salah if you sold him and are now trying to justify not having to pay a premium for him" 😉

        1. @FPL_liverbird (liverpoolfa…
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Haha the Hot Topic name.

          Keep salah then is what you're saying?

          1. andy85wsm
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Well if you kept him for his missing game there's no need to drop now

            1. @FPL_liverbird (liverpoolfa…
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Agree, I'm looking at a big 5 mid with all the options, what are your mid plans?

              1. andy85wsm
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 15 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                I have:

                Son - Salah - Sterling - Lingard - Arnautovic

                Plan is to stick this week and then think about it next week 🙂

                Likelihood is that I'll want to change Son but I may give him the Everton game. Pogba is an option but if he gets put back into the double pivot then he's not such a great option.

                1. @FPL_liverbird (liverpoolfa…
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Yeah, thats what's stopping me from getting him this week for Son as well. Want more information on what position he's likely to be playing. Are you looking at Alonso, Aguero long term?

                  1. andy85wsm
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 15 Years
                    7 years, 11 months ago

                    I'll find it tough to fit Aguero in. I own Alonso already 🙂

                    1. @FPL_liverbird (liverpoolfa…
                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 11 months ago

                      Oh nice! I have cash to get him in potentially this week but really want to save to mini WC next week. The problem is Pogba is tempting vs Stoke as well.
                      I am eyeing up Kane > Aguero in GW25 for 3 weeks I think

                2. Salarrivederci
                  • 9 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  This is most likely going to be my midfield for the next few weeks:

                  Sterling - Sané - Hazard - Son - Lingard (Son -> Mahrez if he moves/after the tougher fixtures)
                  It is really either Sané + Lingard or Salah/KDB and keep Atsu 😉

                3. JÆKS ⭐
                  • 11 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Same midfield, leaving it as it is. Have Vert and Morata but want Alonso Aguero soon, so sticking with Son until I'm actually getting someone in, could be after the EVE game

        2. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Hey Andy. Nice reply - appreciate it!

          Due to Salahs points (with/without Coutinho on the pitch & just overall) maths would always call me a madman when I suggest going without Salah? 😉 Stats and maths will kill my argument (at the moment) :), but Salah is only cheaper than Sanchez, Haz and KDB now.. I simply predict Pool & Salah to make fewer ppg without Coutinho.

          But if Coutinho leaves I would worry for Pool. I can't deny that I think Salah will get you points, but I also think Hazard, KDB, Sané, Silva, Sanchez/Özil (depending on the transferwindow) could get you points, and it is one of those Salah would potentially push aside.
          I just don't know if I want to move forward with 2 pool attackers, and it is just much harder to replace 9.1 Firmino than 10.0 Salah.

          I guess I will have to put my money where my mouth is, and in 5 weeks we shall all see how it affected my rank 😉

          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            You're missing the point buddy, Andy has just demonstrated that pool players ppg isn't effected when coutinho is not there so why do you think this will change going forward?

            Another reason to not sell Salah is due to pool fan base. An inordinate number of people will be captaining salah in non logical games and getting away with it due to them being fans.

            1. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              And as I said. I know all the ppg and stats shows I am wrong, but I can't help but feel, that this will change in the upcoming weeks. After watching Coutinho I just think it will be hard to replace him, and that it will effect Firmino/Salah/ Manés future ppg stats. If I thought Salah would keep up returning such a crazy amount of ponts I would not have made this post?

              Some is subjective I know that!

              I don't really worry much about the ownership and (C) and such. I like owning 8% Hazard as a differential rather than having the template team. I would like to win this, and if my team is: DDG, Jones, Otamendi, Alonso, Salah, Sterling, Lingard, KDB, Groß, Firmino, Kane then I will not win? Simple as that. I am 200 points behind nr.1 and currently 26K OR. Have to make some tough choices at some point - one of them culd be to go without Salah for the next 5-6 weeks? 🙂

              1. andy85wsm
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 15 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                I like the attitude of going for it 🙂

              2. Dino
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                "Some is subjective I know that!"

          2. andy85wsm
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I briefly mentioned that above - you've already made your bed at this point so I can see the argument for going without when Hazard isn't too much more expensive for example.

            As Ruth points out Hazard does have good fixtures but again last night it was a penalty that saved him, a great game for him (as happens most of the time) but doesn't always translate into points. That being said, penalties is one of the draws for him.

            That math is only for what's happened so far. It's not just on the pitch that Coutinho leaving could hurt Liverpool, there's also what kind of an impact it will have on the club as a whole. When you sell arguably your best player it probably doesn't boost morale 🙂

            I probably came at this from the hot topic title alone - to answer that I don't think it is time to part with Salah. If you've already done it though it's a different conversation

            1. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              I did. Brought in Eriksen for this DGW, and now I need to decide what to do in the upcoming weeks 😉 I did state, that this first and foremost addressed those 9% of te managers who got rid (if I had Salah still I would keep him).

              It is frustrating owning Hazard, but it is certainly not impossible that he could outscore Salah in the next 5-6 GW's.
              And yes - morale is a factor! You sell Coutinho and bring in VvD. If I was Salah and Firmino I know which player I would have wanted to play next to me of those 2 😉

            2. GreenWindmill
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Ugh, you said 'math' 😡

              😉

              1. andy85wsm
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 15 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Sorry, I meant maffs

                1. GreenWindmill
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Better! 🙂

        3. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          QED

        4. 7shadesofsmoke
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Nice work Andy, I was just about to drill the same figures for games without Coutinho.

          Personally I'm sticking. Liverpool are quick in transition and the style suits Salah. His form without Coutinho in the side is still superb so i see no reason to doubt his credentials going forward.

          My only other argument was that point 3 is counter-logic. If there are lots of options in midfield, best to invest your money there where injuries and suspensions are easy to manage with the available alternatives. Up front, limited options means you may find a time when two are hard to find because the pool of talent is far smaller and represents worse value.

      • Ruth_NZ
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        OK, a few comments...

        You will get pilloried for stuff like this on FFS as I know all too well. Most FFS managers can't stand their certainties being questioned.

        Personally I will also prefer Hazard to Salah over the next 5 weeks. They are directly comparable on price now and Hazard has way better fixtures.

        Some of your logic is a bit strained but I get what you are trying to say. The forwards really are a problem position right now. I have Firmino too but seeing that 50% of his last 9 or 10 goals have been assisted by Coutinho I fear that he will suffer the most if Coutinho does leave. With Coutinho in the team the creation from deeper areas comes from him and Firmino is able to play more like a striker. Without Coutinho, Firmino tends to drop off into that deeper role and the beneficiaries are Salah and Mané. Mainly Salah so far but I actually think Mané is turning the corner and could quite easily equal Salah's output over the next period.

        Anyway... the managers that count up recent points and call that analysis will scoff at your idea (and have). But I think it's quite reasonable. And it would only take one transfer to correct if the tide turns against you. Whereas those that have kept the Salah comfort blanket wrapped around them and think they would lose TV by selling him will probably keep him for too long if the tide turns against them. I'd prefer to be in your position than theirs.

        1. andy85wsm
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          "if the tide turns against them"

          It has to be a big if considering his form all season.

          I can see why people got rid for the DGW, it's always a big draw but for me I know I'll want him straight back so there was no need to take him out and lose money.

          Salah and Hazard are only directly comparable on price if you sold. So yes I can see why people who got rid might not be as keen to get him back, but for those that kept it's not surprising they still think that's the correct course of action. Only time will tell.

        2. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Hey Ruth.

          First of all english is my secondary language - I wish I could respond in danish, it would hopefully kill some of the 'strained logic' 😀 And yes I am getting laughed at by making a post like this since all the math and stats tells us, that going without Salah will hurt you big time! 😀

          I really like your post and points on Firmino/Mané when Coutinho leaves - certainly food for thought!

          Personally I am just not convinced, that I want to double up on Pool attackers any longer, which kinda result in me prioritizing between Firmino + KDB or 9.2 forward + Salah (and since it is such slim pickings in the front 3 I really like the idea of going without Salah should it turn out to be too much investing in double Pool attack)

          Ofc I could get him back, and I am not afraid of taking hits either, but at the moment I just fancy Firmino, Sané, Lingard OR Firmino, KDB, Atsu > Firmino, Salah, Atsu 😉 I would like to get that third City playr in my team, and it would cost me -8 to do Firmino -> Agüero and feel happy with my team next GW (and if I were to get Agüero the time is now and not in a few weeks when Jesus is bck and ready) 😉

        3. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Hazard and Salah may be almost comparable in price now if you own neither and were making a choice. But that masks their real value for many.

          I got Salah for 9.1 for example. Many got him for 9.0. Considering he is consistently outperforming Hazard who costs 1.5m more they are simply not comparable price wise.

          Salah for most rmanagers really needs to be compared against the Spurs mids or Ozil. Or even cheaper ones like Mahrez and what that spare money can be used for. To get Hazard in now - or to own him anytime this season would have cost most at least 1m more than Salah - which for some could be well used elsewhere.

          In a Salah v Hazard contest due to value and form there is only one winner and its not the Belgian fella.

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            So, the OP is irrelevant? He is specific that this is about what is best for those that don't own Salah, not those that do. The OP doesn't, neither do I. 🙂

            What we then have is a bunch of managers that have kept Salah seeking to justify their view that Salah shouldn't have been sold in the first place. Which is a reasonable point of view, of course, just has nothing to do with the OP.

            One of the biggest flaws of FFS is its tendency to suggest that there is a blanket right and wrong about player selection. This leads to words like 'essential' being bandied about when in truth it is rare that any player ever is. Only twice in the season (wildcards) do we start with a clean sheet. The rest of the time we are starting from the squad we currently have.

            Hazard's next 5 games: LEI bha BOU wat WBA.
            Salah's next 5 games: MCI swa hud TOT sot.

            You think it's clear cut which scores the most points? I don't. But I'm perfectly happy to be going in with Hazard in my team and Salah not. It only takes one transfer if I decide that needs changing.

            1. Ruth_NZ
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              PS. As a matter of interest, I just checked the FFS RMT function. It projects 32 points for Hazard over the next 5 games against 23 for Salah. It's not something I often look at and I never base decisions on it. But it's noteworthy that FFS's objective appraisal is at odds with what you are asserting, Jonty. 😉

              1. Salarrivederci
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Gotta check that stuff out! Became member yesterday!

              2. J0E
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 16 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                RMT said Hazard was going to get that the last five games as well but he didn't. Arguably, quite rightly RMT loves heavy hitters with strong fixtures.

            2. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              This.

              I focus on the 500.000 managers who sold Salah before the GW. Could we now due to price, transferwindow(-Coutinho), Pool cover(do we really want to double up?), alternatives(midfield vs. forward picks) and so on argue, that Salah is not 'essential', and that Sane +1,5, Hazard, KDB or someone else could step up and give you green arrows in a Salahless team? 🙂

              But you're right Jonty. Not much point in doing Salah -> Hazard/KDB now (if you kept Salah) 😉

            3. J0E
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 16 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              As you say its not about blanket right or wrong. Same point I was making - for most Salah owners he offers 1m at least extra. That can't be ignored for a player with a 50%+ ownership. So there's no right or wrong, just Salah represents different things and price points to different people.

              For the same reasons why it is good to challenge the established view it is also good to take a step back and avoid backing every fresh idea that comes along without scrutiny.

              If I had neither now and was wildcarding I'd probably get neither at their current prices and instead go for Mahrez, Sterling, a Spurs mid, Lingard, Arnautovic and focus my Chelsea coverage on Alonso. All about value, form and fixtures. Hazard has the fixtures, but is yet to prove he has the Fantasy form and value compared to others.

              Arguably perhaps Salah at 10m doesn't represent value with those fixtures. But for 9m he may well do. No right. No wrong to this. All about each individual manager's set up.

              1. J0E
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 16 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                I did, however, dump Salah in the Sky game. 🙂

              2. Salarrivederci
                • 9 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                I guess you're right, but it is damn hard to keep track with the 'value game'. To bring in Lingard, Alonso and Mahrez would cost me alot in hits, and I am currently trying to postpone celebrating -100 in hits for as long as I can 😉

                Sometimes you just gotta trust a player, and take a chance on another. I've stuck with Hazard for many weeks now (had him since GW8), and I just don't like the idea of ditching him before the next good fixtures. Even due to lack in returns compared to his price. I really like to own 8% Hazard > 50% Salah. That is one of those chances you got to take trying to win this game 😉 It is a huge risk to go Salahless, but as you mention. Due to his PP at 10 he might not be worth it the next 5 weeks. I am looking to take the risk 🙂 I still got FH, WC, BB and TC. I will get him back at some point, but the way my team looks now I think I can make up for it going without him the next 5-6 GW's.

                You don't win silver, you lose the gold.

                1. J0E
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                  • 16 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Yep, outside of a wildcard you can't get all the players you want.

                  I'd like Alonso and Lingard now before price rises but not sure I want to dump certain players for them just yet.

                  But its swings and roundabouts. I got Sterling, Salah, Kane, Otamendi and others for far less than their current value. Also made a big profit on selling Ward recently. Some times you can make money and sometimes you have to spend more than others spent. Just the way it it.

                  1. Salarrivederci
                    • 9 Years
                    7 years, 11 months ago

                    That's true, but I am not gonna get tricked into using WC before I see the fixtures in BGW/DGW's just to bring in the value players 😉

                    I got Courtois and Hazard, and even though it hurts not owning Alonso anymore I will try to survive without him (and Salah :D)

                    Courtois
                    Otamendi - Jones - Lascelles
                    Sterling - Hazard - Son- Lingard - Sané
                    Firmino - Kane

                    (Speroni, Masuaku, DCL, Klavan) Looks fine to me at the moment. Then fix Son, Klavan and DCL in the weeks to come.

          2. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            tbf he has said for those that have sold Salah is he worth bringing back.

      • 1zverGGadeM
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        You have to be mad to sell Salah!!! If it was Sanchez or Hazard you all will call it madness even to think about it and all that just because 1 game doubts 😀
        Seriously: No one from mentioned players can't even melt the gap of 25-30 pts that Salah is maintaining 😀 This is pure consistency and I really don't get who will throw garanteeed points every week :X :X :X

        Liverpool can perform well without any of his big 4 attackers if the core is unite and teamwork is the main priority imho..
        Klopp can find the solution to play without Coutinho easier atm, cuz he already did it previuosly in the course

      • Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        One other point is salah might have pens now again if coutinho leaves which could give him a huge points boost

        1. andy85wsm
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          That might not be a plus 😉

          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            True based on the one time I captained him this season 🙁

          2. ktk_interista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I wouldn't make that assumption based on 1 missed penalty. He scored a far more important one. The one to qualify Egypt for WC. Trust me I am Egyptian and I know. The pressure on him was more than he'd feel if he was taking one in a CL final. Same as if Kane was taking the last penalty in the WC final.

            1. Pierce34
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              This, I was surprised when he missed the one for Liverpool because he took the one for Egypt with so much composure.

      • The Rumour Mill
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        You make some great points. I also sold Salah so this post is particularly relavent to me and I'm wrestling with the same questions!

        The first thing to consider is that all this may be moot anyway as Salah's injury may be a lot worse than Liverpool are letting on. If it is, those of us that ditched Salah are improving our position every week. Secondly, I'm quite happy to own Hazard over Salah (if he is fit) for GW23 given their respective fixtures and the fact Salah would be coming back from injury and may play reduced minutes.

        So that leaves us the fixtures from GW24 - GW27. Pretty comparable, with a slight edge for Hazard perhaps. However, Chelsea have more fixtures in this period, with the League Cup semi final v Arsenal (2 fixtures). It remains to be seen what sort of side Conte plays here, but if it appears Conte is making it a priority then Hazard's minutes could well be hit in league fixtures over this period. It will also depend what FA cup fixtures Chelsea and Liverpool get, and whether there are any replays. All of this will need to be studied carefully, as if Hazard misses a league fixture, his chance of outperforming Salah over this period dramatically reduces. Klopp has stated before that in the form Salah is in, (and especially if Coutinho leaves), then Salah is practically undroppable (when fit). Conte has made it painfully clear to us Hazard owners that Hazard can and will be rested when appropiate.

        1. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          What a great post 😉 ! Thanks - I think you're right!

          Hazard -> Salah will always be an easy transfer if it turns out I am dead wrong, but I like those Hazard vs. Salah odds over the next few weeks. Combined with the fact, that many of us still got FH, WC, TC and BB options seems plenty.
          However those who kept Salah this GW and will keep him for the City game may be very reluctant to ever transfer him out! If he is somewhat still injured / Coutinho leaving effects morale / fixtures results in lesser returns from Salah then going Salahless could pay off big time 😉

          1. The Rumour Mill
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Thanks 🙂

            Yeah it will. Very true, and if you hold the wildcard until GW26, the transfer window will have shut and we will know many of the teams blanking/likely to blank and have doubles anyway, so Wildcarding then if you need to has less inherent risk as you can plan ahead.

            Yes it could. Although another eventuality is that Hazard and Salah both hit strong form. In which case exploring a way of having both may be worth merit. In your case downgrading Sane to Arnautovic and Son to Salah is possible is it not?

            1. Salarrivederci
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              I think I could make it work since I am looking to downgrade DCL anyway 😉

      • 7shadesofsmoke
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Welcome to the member community, and thanks for an interesting read 🙂

        Personally, I feel that Coutinho's absence hasn't hurt Salah in the past so see no reason to doubt his pedigree if he does indeed leave the club.

        Playing devils advocate, you could even argue that more play will now be going through him so could even see an upturn in his chances or key passes.

        The argument for Strikers oner Mids doesn't quite work for me - if you have a small talent pool for strikers (which I agree, mids seem better this season so far), then why allocate two or three spots when mids are showing value and form a plenty? If KDB is injured or banned, bring in Hazard, Salah, Eriksen, Sanchez etc. If you had your big three up top and one is injured, you'll need to take a hit to re-distribute funds to elsewhere or take a sub par pick.

        So for me, I'm happy to work with money in DF and MF with Kane up top. I like Firmino but if i had him and he was injured, no one to bring in as a replacement since the jump to Aguero is too steep. If Kane goes, easier to replace with Aguero or Firminho without taking a hit.

    17. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Last Man Standing Update

      Current safety score = 27
      Top score = 65
      LMS average = 34.93

      1 game + autosubs to go.

      1. TheTinman
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Happy to make it to 2018

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Soon you'll need a green arrow to survive so keep going.

      2. Urchin
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        28 with only Kane (c) and Lanzini to play, looks like end of road for me here 🙁

    18. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Price Changes - 4th January 2018

      🔺  Jones (5.7), Kane (12.9)

      🔻  Lowton (4.4), Austin (6.0)

      1. Bruno Bruno!!
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        0 up 0 down

        1. JÆKS ⭐
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          How can you not own Kane in a Spurs DGW with Kane just scoring back to back hattricks

        2. Desperately Seeking Dusan
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I don't think you get this site Anish, this is where however many TM posts up, you say "YES! X up!" X being the number of players up! 😉

      2. Pigeon
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Wow

      3. Collie01
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Still no Salah fall, very odd

        1. che
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          WCs

        2. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          FH

      4. barracuda
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        😀 2 up

      5. Siva Mohan
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks TM

        +0.2 -0.0

      6. Duffy Dunk
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        9 up
        thx TM

        1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          My brother’s team is Daffy Dunk...:-)

      7. Chenku╰☆╮
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Salah fixed again

      8. Kiwivillan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Damn it. Was hoping Jones rise would wait another day

        1. Spike ⚽️
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I was 10 secs too late

      9. Totalfootball
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        They are purposely maintaining Salah's price . No way he stays the same after so many transfers !

        1. Kiwivillan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Free Hits WCs

      10. Spike ⚽️
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        That's why I couldn't get jones in right on the deadline!!

      11. Tazah
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Love that

      12. barracuda
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Keep them at bay Salah

      13. OldBenKenobi
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I just know I’m going to get screwed by Salah not dropping! Bugger

      14. F4L
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        .6 TV lost . Damm

      15. FPL_JAAFAR
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        FH chip effect they said !

      16. RESULT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Nice 2up. Even better salah no drop!

      17. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        2-0 ty!

      18. Bad Kompany
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers TM

      19. JustPark
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        No Alonso? I swear his ownership was soaring. Or at least from the comments here when scored that second goal.

        1. JustPark
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          When he*

      20. Albrightondknight
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        105 finally.
        Thanks TM

      21. Albrightondknight
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Well I lost .3 on Salah I ain't ever seeing back maybe not even .1 in the next 10 days

      22. reekster
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks, as ever, TM.

        2 up, none down. Pleasantly surprised to not see Salah.

      23. Pranav Santhosh
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Still no salah fall 🙁

      24. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        +2 🙂

      25. D_R_S_PORT_S
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        2 up 0 down
        Cheers TM !!!

      26. FC Lackless [BALEGIUM]
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        cheers TM

    19. Best time for free hit chip
      Pierce34
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      With the free hit chip, I'm genuinely more excited about a potential big blank GW than by a bumper DGW with bench boost! Nothing better than a starting XI from sh!t teams with no consequences hit-wise or carrying deadwood for weeks afterwards.

      1. enrico.palazzo
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Maybe no consequences hit-wise; but consequences point wise. Sh!t teams are Sh!t for a reason!

        1. GOTHAM City F.C.
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          +1

        2. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          No consequence at all when the top teams are all blanking - it's guaranteed points.

          Using it in a non-blank week has the risk of results not going the way you expected and losing points.

        3. MINUS FOUR
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          They will be playing each other. It's all relative.

        4. MINUS FOUR
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Would it have been 'sh!t' to have Wilson when he scored a hat-trick against Huddersfield?

          This is a myth. The good players in lesser teams will still score points against poor opposition. Free hit team could have the likes of Zaha, Richarlison, Mahrez, Vardy, Arnautovic etc with good fixtures. There's every chance these teams will score heavily in the absence of any tough fixtures against top clubs.

        5. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I don't understand - if your City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. players have a blank you wouldn't want players that have a game on? You don't get more guaranteed points than that.

      2. Bggz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Like I just said above
        I see the fhc value on the reduced gw BEFORE a dgw . Usually the later stages of the cup have a few of city utd spurs pool etc and we have those players. I'm expecting to use it to field from the teams still in the gw and not in the cup - mid-lower placed teams - so I can leave the big hitters where they are and continue to plan for the dgw

      3. MINUS FOUR
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        It's actually going to be amazing. I think a lot of people might be surprised how massive this difference is. I envisage some truly ruined squads, literally down to the bare bones of maybe 3 or 4 starting players that GW, wondering how they let his happen after blowing the free hit because Spurs played twice or Kane had a blank.

        I can't wait to hand-pick my special one-week-only team in the BGW filled with players I don't want long term but who have ideal form and fixtures. It's basically your own budget friendly Scout Squad picks and if you get a bit lucky the results could be incredible.

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Exactly this - when calculating the value of the free hit chip, people forget to take into account the complicated process before, during and after a blank GW. Without the free hit, you take hits to field as close to 11 as possible, and then you end up losing points in following GWs by carrying players you don't want long-term. It's not a simple 'my free hit team scored 20 more points than my normal team would've scored therefore it's a success'.

          1. MINUS FOUR
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            100%. I see all these comments like "I'm 15 points ahead" or (worse) "my real team outscored my free hit team" - this should literally never happen.

            The whole value of this chip is that it will save you on a scale we've never had available before. I'm talking potentially 30, 40, 50+ points difference AND the fact you don't have to spend weeks restructuring and creating new problems in your team. It's what it says it is, a complete free hit when you need it most, then get all top players from top clubs straight back in for a DGW. No hits, no value loss, no awkward planning. It's an incredible chip being used frivolously and the lesson will be learned hard by many, who will not make the same mistake next season.

            1. Pierce34
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              You hit the nail on the head right there. That doesn't mean people can't have an incredible return from the free hit chip otherwise (there have been a couple of success stories already with centuries scored), but those tend to be the exception rather than the rule.

              1. MINUS FOUR
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Yes and those exceptions don't make it the 'right' decision. If we had some data it would be so interesting, but I've seen enough examples to know already that it has been horribly misused. Even the teams who scored 100+ don't worry me, because to some extent there had to be an element of luck. They needed their free hit picks to score to get the payoff, and of course some did. We won't have any worries at all because our entire team will be a bonus. Every single point will feel like double points compared to the start players blanking.

            2. noquarternt
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Try telling Hindu Monkey that

              1. MINUS FOUR
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 8 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Why what happened? Massive score? It doesn't matter. Saving it is the 'right' decision, so anyone who gets lucky it doesn't really matter.

                1. noquarternt
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Check my hot topic on the subject. Hindu Monkey and some others were zealous in their FH claims. No one wanted to listen to reason.

                  1. Pierce34
                    • 10 Years
                    7 years, 11 months ago

                    That's more points for those of us that save it then. I wonder whether there'll be pages upon pages of people moaning about all their players having blanks and having to take loads of hits to field something close to 11.

                    Followed by weeks of people moaning about having to sell some of the players they bought for the blank 😉

                    1. noquarternt
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 11 months ago

                      😀

                    2. FFSbet.com
                      • 10 Years
                      7 years, 11 months ago

                      There is no right or wrong,play it when you feel its best.
                      I made around 30 points profit i think in GW 10 with FH,some people here have good scores this GW with FH.
                      Yes you can field 11 on blank GW,lets say i go with 8 players.
                      Dont think your 3 players will outscore much without big hitters and weaker teams playing each other.
                      If i remember well last season blank GW was very low scoring.

                      1. Pierce34
                        • 10 Years
                        7 years, 11 months ago

                        There is a right time to play it insofar as there will be a time when a lot of your players will have blanks. For most people that will come in a blank GW (if the top teams qualify for the later rounds of the FA Cup), unless you're extremely unlucky with injuries or suspensions, which can happen of course.

                        1. FFSbet.com
                          • 10 Years
                          7 years, 11 months ago

                          Maybe its right time for you,what if you make only 10 points over my team with FH in blank week?
                          I think you will need 30+ profit to say it was good FH and i cant see that in blank GW without big hitters,maybe i am wrong time will tell.

                        2. Reiko
                          • 10 Years
                          7 years, 11 months ago

                          Your focus is on the GW itself. How bout the weeks before and after BGW. You mean to say you are not going to get any additional players at all for this BGW in the earlier weeks and play with what you have?

            3. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
              • 16 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              You are looking at this completely from your own teams perspective.
              Every fantasy manager's teams are in different states of flux.
              The free hit chip worked superbly for me in gw22.
              Mainly due to the fact it was no risk as I had a lot of injuries and players who were rested.
              My previous team would have scored 44 (less when including the hits I was considering)
              My free hit team scored 86 points.
              So you are telling me I should have waited until the FA cup congestion?

              I don'y think so would it make me more then 42 points?

        2. che
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          When you factor in the rotation for the DGWs because of UCL and FA Cup commitments it's not a bad shout

        3. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Yip, planning for the blanks previously meant using up your free transfers for 3 weeks to load up your bench with dross just to get 9 or10 players starting, then using your transfers to get some balance back in to your team.

          FH Chip cuts through that, and because the players will be cheap it gives you the ‘best of the rest’ and a great bench if your some of your 11 starters are rested etc - you will really have the best players in the teams available

          1. MINUS FOUR
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            For sure. There's been too much focus on the 'poor teams' in a blank but not enough on the fact we will have all the best players available. We will basically be able to pick whatever team we want with the 7 best attackers and four best defenders available plus a decent bench.

        4. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          The problem is that there are only a limited number of players playing in the gw so everyone will have the likely highest scoring players with a small bit of planning and or a hit or two and the extra few you get will likely be 1 or 2 pt fillers you are hoping for something from

      4. GOTHAM City F.C.
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I consider west ham defense as deadwood. As well as Son & Alli. I don't need any of them and happy to keep Salah for gw23.
        Its all relative points gained over the current team. If you think you can achieve that gain for a blank then definitely a good option to wait.

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          My point is that the free hit over a blank is guaranteed points. You pick players with a game on, and leave behind the players that have a blank. With the added bonus that the players with a game on (likely to be from the worse teams) are then automatically gone for the following GW - brilliant!

          1. MINUS FOUR
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            How is anyone not understanding this? It's the guaranteed element. Replacing non-starters with with definite starters (all picked that week so you can align form and fixtures perfectly). It is 100% going to help you SCORE MORE POINTS. There will be no such thing as bad luck or "my original team outscored my free hit team, oh man so unlucky".

      5. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Ya the closer it gets the more interesting the possibility's are getting.

        With only a few teams in play that week most will go for the same group of players but there is great potential to have a good punt on it with player choices and and captaincy.

        If one played their card right it could give a bigger prospective points advantage than even any of the other chips.

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I agree that the free hitters will probably be going for very similar teams due to lack of choices, but I think there will be enough of a differential vs. the people who have blown the chip already.

          And yes, definitely agree that potentially it can have the biggest advantage. It's a low-risk, high-reward scenario really - even if your players don't score many points it's still going to be more points than players who blank.

          1. Bggz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            millions will have used it, only people on forums like this will really have kept and combined effectively.

            im in a prize leage and the guy at the top has 5,461 OR, 100 points ahead of me, but has used all his chips. i pretty much 'know' ive got him, hes toast

            1. MINUS FOUR
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 8 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Yeah you're going to catch and pass him easily. Love it.

              A guy in my ML used his free hit to make one change - an injured player our for a non injured player. Got the injured player straight back in.

              1. Pierce34
                • 10 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                That might have been due to misunderstanding what it means - when I first came across it I assumed it meant you can make an extra transfer without the -4 😀

              2. Bggz
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                i almost feel sorry for him

        2. Bggz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Its got double value because it can be combined with the bench boost. we can effectively plan for the dgw without worrying about the preceding blank giving us a full one off team before and unfettered planning for the double.

          1. MINUS FOUR
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I can't wait. The game will be chaos for a few weeks and free hitters will be thriving!

        3. MINUS FOUR
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Anyone inside the top 100K who has already used the free hit should be very worried about how far they will drop in the big BGW. It could be a crushing blow.

      6. Boom Xhaka-Laca
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        My plan exactly from the beginning of the season. (but don't go around telling people)

        1. MINUS FOUR
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          To think that there are free hit teams this GW scoring less than their original teams. It's unbelievable. And it's not bad luck, that's the misconception it seems.

          1. Bggz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            now we just have to choose which dgw to do this on... :/

      7. A Betting Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        All of the above is based on there even BEING such a blank GW - correct me if I'm wrong but last year was almost unprecedented in terms of the number of big teams who had a blank. PL teams all avoided each other in the cup and created such a scenario, already I see 3 all-PL third round ties...

        1. A Betting Man
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Having said that - I wasted my free hit chip absolutely horribly, and I'm not proud of it, considering I laugh at the noobs in my money leagues using their chips early in the season 🙁

        2. noquarternt
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          But all you need is City Chelsea and Liverpool to blank and most FPL teams will be down loads of players.

        3. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Yes, hopefully enough of the big teams will progress in the FA Cup, an element of luck is required.

          If there is no big blank GW, I'll most likely use the free hit as a free wildcard in the last GW of the season.

        4. Bggz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          last year was a bit higher than average but not much. the year before gw34 and gw37 were pretty big doubles, i think 2014 had a big one.

          this season the title will be over so teams will likely plough into the cups a bit more.

      8. Dickie1898
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        The free hit chip is surely relative to said team on said gw? Saving for the bgw is obviously the 'ideal' situation, but many will have played it well on other gameweeks depending on their squad and rank etc.

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Sure, it is relative - however, using it on a BGW guarantees you points 100%, whereas using it at other times relies on luck to an extent.

          1. Dickie1898
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Guarantees 100% what points? You're talking as if anyone who doesnt have their free hit will have an entire squad blanking, and we have no idea who will blank yet. There's no guarantees in fpl and luck is a big factor all the time regardless of when chips are used. I acknowledge the good aspect of playing the free hit during the bgw is the lack of planning before and an easier ride after. Points earned on the bgw itself are completely dependant on your players and captain choice as it is in any other gw, and if it's a big blank you should have an edge on most teams. I think you're over stating the potential benefit (in terms of points) of the bgw free hit. I hope it turns out lucrative for you.

            1. Pierce34
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              I think KTeam (above) arguably is overstating the potential benefit. I'm being realistic. There's going to be a bunch of teams with blanks in one gameweek - chances are a lot of these teams will be popular for FPL (City, Chelsea, United for example). Having the chance to swap out players who are guaranteed to score 0 points for players who are guaranteed to play equals guaranteed points. It's pretty simple. Not only in that particular gameweek, but also in terms of the planning it would've taken otherwise.

              On top of that, there's also the following GWs to consider - if you've sold some of your blanking players in order to field 11, chances are you'll want a lot of them back, spending even more transfers.

              Sure, there's potential to maximise points within the blank - you still have to pick the correct players and captain, but it's still guaranteed points vs. what you would've done otherwise. That is, unless the big teams all fail to qualify for the later rounds of the FA Cup and the FPL landscape isn't as affected as last year. In that case, I'm probably playing the free hit in the last GW of the year as a free wildcard.

      9. Patch
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Noted for future free hit use

      10. Strangelove
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        You can use the FH chip with bench boost? Really?

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I didn't say that. Obviously the answer is no.

      11. Perthite
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I've mentioned it before but with the FH even if an ideal round to use it doesn't appear it won't be wasted as we can be guaranteed GW38 tesm carnage where we csn easily use it.

    20. Aguero v Alonso
      samaael
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      With the current shift in landscape, who is more vital to FPl teams?

      Aguero vs Alonso

      The Jesus injury has put a little spanner in the works and gives a nice upgrade from Morata/ Lacazette (in my case)

      A lot of people downgraded Alonso to Christensen a few weeks to get Hazard in. It seems Hazard hasn't kept fulfilled his promise.

      Who is more important? Aguero or Alonso?

      1. GOTHAM City F.C.
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Both ideally.

        1. samaael
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          very difficult i think if you have two big hitters up front and 4-5 decent midfielders

          1. GOTHAM City F.C.
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            GK1, GK2 worth 9.5
            Alonso, 1 premium, +2 4.5s, +1 bench fodder
            2 Good Mids (Sterling, Salah) +2 Decent Mids + 1 Magic Bean
            Kane, Aguero + 1bench fodder

            1. maverickga
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              A little bit unbalanced, is it not?
              9.5 for two goalkeepers is too expensive for me, and you basically count on 6 players to bring you points?

          2. Pirlø's Pen
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            My team will be this next GW, having both is adult viable.

            Pope Adrian
            Alonso Otamendi Maguire Masuaku Kenny
            Salah Sterling Arnautovic Richarilson Lingard
            Kane Aguero Quaner

      2. GE
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Aguero IMO because I always tend to downgrade in the defence before in the attack when I want to upgrade somewhere else

      3. Butcher
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I was in the same predicament but decided to go for Alonso and double up on City mids with Sane and Sterling. If Kun scores most likely be will be assisted by either one or KDB.

      4. Roys Peak
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        aguero for now

      5. samaael
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        i am thinking Aguero also. I think the only reason his % isn't higher is because of rotation etc.

      6. Cheapskate
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso by far. Scores the same costs less than two thirds the price

      7. noquarternt
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso is the best and most important player in the game. Can't believe how long I went without him.

      8. Dyslexia Untied FC
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Both right now with the Jesus situation.. going forward always Alonso

      9. HVT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso

      10. Awesom-o
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso.

        Aguero is not worth the money, he simply isn't the player he was two seasons ago.

        I'd rather use my 3 City spots on Otamendi, Sterling and another mid such as KDB.

      11. Pranav Santhosh
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I'm confident aguero is about to explode not that he is nailed on in this city side

      12. Manchesterford Utd
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Priority is very much Alonso as he has high ownership in the top 10k and only having Christensen means I lose points every time he scores.

        Aguero would be nice, but (a) it would mean taking out Firmino for a -4 just before Liverpool have Swa/Hud/TOT/sot/WHU/NEW, and (b) his ownership isn't nearly as high, particularly in the top 10k.

        1. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I wouldn't overly worry about what the top 10k are doing as they likely won't be there come the end of the season based on their past histories with a very high percentage of them being in the top 10k for the first time ever.

      13. FantaCity
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Great case for Aguero short-term with Jesus out, but Alonso is good all the time

      14. Runaway
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I have both but it is not ideal since my 5th mid/3rd fwd are RLC and DCL and have no money to upgrade them. Maybe 4-4-2 is the most ideal format in my case.
        If I had to select one of them, I would go with Alonso.

      15. Pieterke30
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Hard to say.

        If Chelsea buy a new left back, Alonso has to be ditched asap.

        If Sanchez goes to City, Aguero has to be ditched asap.

        Next GW in 10 days, one of the above scenario could happen so wait on your transfers (eventhough people clearly aren't and Alonso is becoming unaffordable...)

      16. Defcons are for Kinnear
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Aren't Chelsea signing Alex Sandro?

        1. Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          They would like to but Juve wants to keep him. Was the same story whole summer and Sandro did not move.

          Might happen, might not. I think it won't.

          This being said, I think Conte will want to add a back-up left back at the very least.

        2. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Maybe not. But they will buy a lb

        3. Dino
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Not with Juve in the champions league. They might get him next summer but highly unlikely in January

      17. The Hindu Monkey
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        who was that guy a few weeks ago who came on here saying Alonso was the most over priced player in the game?

        I really just want to point and laugh at him at this stage...

      18. Feyzi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Have been thinking of exactly the same thing since my morning coffee...

        I have Hazard, Salah, Coutinho, Sterling, Pogba (and Otamendi, Kane) which I am happy with. I was just thinking of how to get Agüero and who to sacrifice in midfield. And it turned out to be difficult, to say the least, to upgrade Diouf or DCL to Agüero. But now I wonder, with either a CS or a goal with these lovely fixtures, it makes more sense to go Alonso with a midfield downgrade. It gives me the same, if not better, value for money.

        I think where value is essential, and it is, the reply is a certain Alonso (if you have Kane and you are content to captain him mostly).

        Agüero is inconsistent captain material. Not of the same value when you already have Kane.

      19. PickleRick
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I did Morata + Zanka -> Aguero + Alonso for -4 as I planned

      20. ktk_interista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso is a good option but doesn't have much over Azpi. Aguero is not important at all. The issue with him this season was never the minutes unlike last season. He hasn't been injured yet unlike previous seasons. He has almost always started and completed more than 70 minutes which in most matches City have already scored 2 or 3 goals and are already cruising by then. He is just not the Aguero of 2 or 3 years ago.
        1) He is older and slower.
        2) In Pep's City and especially that year, he is not the focal point of the team. The team doesn't depend on him to win. The team doesn't just pass only to him as before. Its all about the midfield and the wingers now. In short, his involvement in the tea's play is much less than with City pre-Pep.
        3) He probably wants to leave City as his role is less important.

        The ideal 3 City players to have are KDB,Sterling and Otamendi.

        1. Fitzy.
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          "..He has almost always started and completed more than 70 minutes.."

          Except for the 9 games that he hasn't.

          1. ktk_interista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            5 of them he didn't play though. With a good bench, it wouldn't hurt so much. He is yet to go into a run where you'd think '"Oh Aguero is in great form now". Average/Decent performances aided by penalty kicks and tap-ins are the summary of his FPL season so far. Even Messi and Ronaldo depend on those to boost their numbers but they are not the majority of their tallies. Aguero is not the same FPL asset of the pre-Pep era no matter how you look at it.

      21. La Roja
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        It's a no brainer for me, Alonso.

        City midfielders are on fire and which is effecting aguero's heavy investment.

        Fake number 9 with clean sheets. Yes please

        1. Runaway
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Fake number 9 with clean sheets - good definition 🙂

      22. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Aguero is not important. If anything, it's important to avoid him as he is a waste of money. Alonso by far.

      23. Amateur Pundit Zan
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        It’s an unusual comparison, a 7m defender and an 11m forward.

        No question I want Aguero after Liverpool for that spell, more urgent than alonso but alonso is the player you get as soon as you can and then set and forget

      24. Samurai Blue
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        At the moment I have both, but going forward If I have to choose I will ditch Kun.

    21. Tosun's FPL valuation
      Make United Great Again
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      BREAKING: @Everton agree fee of £27m with Besiktas for striker Cenk Tosun - Sky sources. #SSN

      How much do you think he’ll cost on FPL?

      1. Differentiator
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Fpl will price him too highly. 8

      2. Ghost Gooner
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        7.5

      3. Foozeball
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        7.5 methinks

      4. L'Aeroplanino
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        7.5

      5. MTPockets
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Fingers crossed for 5.3m...

          1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            This

        • Miguel Sanchez
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          7.5

        • Make United Great Again
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I agree with the posts above. 7.5 - 8.0m

        • Arteta
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          7.5

        • J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          With 20 goals last season in the league I'd expect a slight regression due to the difference in the leagues. But nevertheless could be a goal every other game striker (which he has been on average since joining Besiktas.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Be%C5%9Fikta%C5%9F_J.K._season#Goal_scorers

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Tosun

          I think 8m if he can get around eight to nine goals and provide a few assists over GWK 23 to 38 is not bad. 7.5 and I'd definitely consider him. That could be excellent value.

          FPL can certainly do with some challengers in that price bracket - which currently is just Firmino and Vardy.

          1. *Reformed-Character*
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            He didn't play all games tho....

            1. J0E
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              He was a sub alot at first - as was competing with Ba. Then became nailed as their main striker last season. Turned down Palace last year.

        • IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          8 I guess irritatingly

        • Pacer.
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          what do you get for £27m thesdays?

          competition for Niasse

        • Pranav Santhosh
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Assuming 7.5/8

        • Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Could be a nice downgrade from Aguero in a few weeks if he hits the ground running

        • Feyzi
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          In my (Galatasaray fan, spends more time on FPL rather than rubbish Turkish football now, and have only a fair idea of Beşiktaş; a devoted Beşiktaş fan could comment better) opinion, Tosun would hardly be of value if priced above 6.5.

          His virtues include a fine finishing capability in one-touch scenarios, a surprising ability with his headers (although he is not particularly tall), that he can use both right/left feet well (mainly right though) and his shots outside the box are also powerful.

          His disadvantages include inability to play with your back to the goal (not a pivotal centreforward) and his lack of Accelaration (he is not especially slow though). Also, where there are two strong and sppedy central defenders, he is weak to struggle with them. He is improving though and has been working with a personal trainer for a while.

          Add to these the fact that most talented Turkish players have failed abroad (Tugay Kerimoglu being the hero to refute that statement and Arda Torun in his Atletico days) he will need time to make an impact. I would not acquire him, unless at 5.5, prior to seeing him actually get settled and scoring for Everton. He would also need a partner as a forward and does significantly less well as a lone strker.

          1. La Roja
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Feyzi mate, Cenk Tosun is 1.84m, tall enough I guess.

            I’m not following Turkish league religiously but I have watched him many times. I think and expect him to fit in well to Premiership. Could take a while though.

            1. Feyzi
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 11 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Thanks for the correction mate. As he is not a Gala player, my observation was merely based on how I saw it on TV, and not on stats, but if he is 1.84, obviously he is tall enough. The bottom line is, as you say, it will take a while.

              1. La Roja
                • 13 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                Aynen

        • ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Too much

        • Defcons are for Kinnear
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          If I remember correctly last season the players that were added in January were not rounded to the nearest 0.5.
          So we might see 7.8m

          1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Ahh - I think you're right mate - well remembered 🙂

            1. Defcons are for Kinnear
              • 12 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              I'm surprised no one else remembered. Not taking this game serious enough

        • A.T
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Judging by how they priced Everton’s other two strikers at the start of the season, Sandro and Rooney at 7.5, I think 7/7.5 is a fair price. Sandro scored 16 goals in 31 games in Spain so you’d think it’d be lower than him but you never know.

      6. Ha.
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I have a good feeling about tonight 😎

        1. TLF
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Which assets do you have playing?

          1. Ha.
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Christensen and Morata

      7. FPL ZB
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Nothing worse than having no attacking players in a game, and watching hoping for a boring one

        1. Fpldonny
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Wait, you dont have alonso?

          1. FPL ZB
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Nope

      8. Rik Waller
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Which advert is more annoying...

        A) Paddy Power (match day's my favourite day...)
        B) Adidas advert (Pogba dabbing, Messi looking lost)

        Vote now...

        1. Fantasy Gold
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          A by a country mile.

        2. Brosstan
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          A is most annoying. B is just lol because of how much Messi is phoning it in.

        3. Yozzer
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          B anything with Pogba in it is annoying. That dabbing makes me cringe

      9. Fantasy Gold
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Predictions for tonight?

        2-1 Chelsea I reckon

        1. WE GO FOR IT
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          2-2

        2. Monkey Hanger
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          4-4

        3. Podge
          • 14 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          3-1 Chelsea

        4. umerlfc
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          2-0 Arsenal

      10. Bruno Bruno!!
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Alonso brace please with CS

      11. Fred54
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Finally an escape from the hard drinking, gambling and Pundit of Pans.

      12. That Was Easy!
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Hazard is going to absolutely punish sellers. (Me)

        1. Fantasy Gold
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah. 2pts on their way

          1. WE GO FOR IT
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            You forgot to add the 1 before the 2.

        2. Sterling is £11Mill..…
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Hazard getting nothing tonight

        3. Yozzer
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          It's hazard. He punishes buyers not sellers

        4. ILOVEBAPS
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          He won't get more than his usual 2 points.

          1. Sterling is £11Mill..…
            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Hazard will get one, he will get a yellow

      13. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        @ Walkman. I've found a return flight to NYC in Feb for £268 ($350). Think that's pretty decent. Will see a good friend of mine there do if you're keen let's meet.

        1. walkman666
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          @Horseman. That is a great airfare. I could meet up with you then. My email is walkman666@gmail.com. I work downtown and live uptown, and can meet you after work on a weekday, or during the afternoon on the weekend.

      14. Fred54
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Azpi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And Hazard).

      15. Rik Waller
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        ... And it's live!

      16. WE GO FOR IT
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Come on Hazard! Now is your time to shine,

      17. pundit of punts
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Anyone visiting India soon?

        Top tip. 😀

        Malana cream. In Himanchal Pradesh. Beautiful place. 😎

        Thank me later. 😉

        1. DF
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Get up to tosh.

          1. pundit of punts
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            😯

        2. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Enjoyed it a little.

          1. pundit of punts
            • 12 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Good man! 😀

      18. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I hope this is a good game i have seen a lot of so so games over the holidays so far.

      19. liiusions
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        On the watchlist, what does Vs stand for? I know it's favourable fixtures but how does that correspond to Vs?

        1. Fred54
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          If only there was a key or a link to show the key.

          1. liiusions
            • 10 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I'm very aware of that hence what I put. It just doesn't make sense it says Vs

            1. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Stands for versus if that’s any help

        2. HamezMace
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Versus.
          It means a favourable fixture.

      20. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I wonder what excuse it'll be for a Morata fail tonight...

        1. Fred54
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Appendix is playing up.

          1. Dr Dream
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Could be...

        2. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          ...and he's on the floor already...

      21. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        What are Cech and Cesc doing on the pitch? Parent club rule been abolished in 2018?

        1. Sterling is £11Mill..…
          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I swear you say this about every player who has ever transferred to another club

      22. Brosstan
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Jammy Chelsea defense owners better not get a haul tonight after the bullshit call last week.

        1. grumpyman
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Us Christensen owners say hello.

      23. pundit of punts
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        C'mon Christensen!!!!!!!!!!!!

      24. WE GO FOR IT
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Hazard looks up for it!

        1. Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          The mofo

      25. Sterling is £11Mill..…
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        2 Sceanrios tonight. Either Sanchez gets 10+ points and IDK what the score will be. Or its 0-0

      26. Jam0sh
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        C'mon Alonso and Christensen!

      27. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        It’s simple tonight. Morata haul please.

        Fanks.

        1. Differentiator
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          +1 million upvotes

        2. George Sillett
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Even simpler . Chelsea win.

        3. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Even simpler. 2-2 with goals from Chambers, Xhaka, Bakayoko and Moses

          1. Old Man
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            perfect

      28. HamezMace
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Morata doing his best Lukaku impression there

      29. Sandy Ravage
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Azpi & Hazard are in my pre FH team, so this could be painful...