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Should we sell or hold Timo Werner ahead of FPL Gameweek 4 and who are the best replacements?

It is fair to say that Timo Werner (£9.4m) has not started life in the Premier League as Fantasy managers had hoped he would.

Chelsea have scored six in their first three matches but their new forward has managed just one assist in that run.

So the question is: Is it time we looked to replace Werner? And if so who for? In this article I want to talk about the possible options.

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  1. TomSaints
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    1 month, 1 day ago

    Barkley at 5.9 playing every week for Villa is interesting. Not for a few weeks but could be a gem as cheap 4th mid

    1. Tarby
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      A 5.9 midfielder needs to be a starting surely?

      So many options at 5.5 or less if you're not going to start them regularly. Several options under 5.0 even who always start and can pick up 2 points when required. I'm not a fan of many of the 6/ 6.5 options this season, they seem no better than lots of cheaper options and not nearly the potential of the 7+ options. Foden now 6.6 is the pick and will almost certainly be great value, but needs to be paired with a reasonable bench often as will likely be rested some games

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Barkley will be a starter. No good for that price at Chelsea, but at Villa he'll be nailed. Replace either Hourihane or McGinn, both of whom have made great starts in their 2 games.

    2. El Presidente
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Better cheaper options elsewhere + Grealish is the asset from Villa you want to get

    3. hewittj1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Soucek much better option once WHU fixtures turn

    4. Klaren
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      I don't think he'll be nailed. Probably rotated with Hourihane.

  2. dee_top
    • 3 Years
    1 month, 1 day ago

    Starting squad for GW4:
    McCarthy
    Doherty TAA Justin
    Salah (c) Barnes Rodriguez Soucek
    Vardy DCL Ings (vc)
    Subs: Nyland Reed Mirchell Saliba
    3.6m INB, 0 FT

    Best move:
    A) Soucek to Mahrez for -4?
    B) Doherty to (??) for -4?
    C) Soucek to (??) for -4?
    D) Do nothing

    1. JBG
      • 2 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      D

    2. hewittj1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      D

  3. JBG
    • 2 Years
    1 month, 1 day ago

    Sorry for repost.

    What option?

    A) Play Bissouma and bench Son
    B) Son to Rash/Barnes/Hamez/Mahrez -4
    C) WC

    McCarthy-4.0
    TAA-Vinagre-Justin-Johnson-Mitchell
    Salah-Kdb-Son-Podence-Bissouma
    Jimenez-Adams-Martial

    1. 0 itb and I took a hit last GW(as great as that was :/).

    1. Tarby
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Bissouma suspended

      A lot of potential non-players in your team! Vinagre, Johnson, Adams could all be on benches. Then Son and Bissouma def out and Podence could be injured!

      Mitchell and Justin could lose their places in the not to distant future when PVA and Pereira are back fit!

      Soon you could only have McCarthy, TAA, Son, KDB, Salah, Podence, Bissouma, Jimenez and Martial actually playing!
      I expect Johnson to start for West Ham eventually as well though. A lot of gambles in your squad though, could be great, could be a struggle. I've started super safe with locked in starters throughout

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        "Bissouma suspended"
        He's not. He's served his time and is available.

        1. Tarby
          • 1 Year
          1 month, 1 day ago

          Apologies, I thought he was on a 3 match ban

          1. PompeyUpNorth!
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            I’m sure it was 3 as well, but 2 games were in the cup but regardless of that he’s defo available which is great..

            1. Tarby
              • 1 Year
              1 month, 9 hours ago

              You're spot on, it was a 3 match ban but 2 games served in Carabao Cup. A lucky break for his owners there!

      2. hewittj1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Bissouma isn't suspended - it was a 1 match ban

    2. hewittj1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      bank it. Son fixtures tasty after the break

  4. Garlana
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    1 month, 1 day ago

    Do we know who West Broms pen taker is? Im tempted by Pereira as a cheap option to enable pool double up or Ings up top. 6.4m to spend max.

    1. El Presidente
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      I dont think Matheus is the pen taker

    2. hewittj1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      whoever is the striker on the pitch

      1. Klaren
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Callum Robinson, their 1st striker, has never taken a penalty before (other than penalty shootouts). So very unlikely to take one, Pereira is more likely compared to him.

  5. Chilli Heatwave
    • 2 Years
    1 month, 1 day ago

    Life is good as a villa fan right now 🙂 🙂

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      That's a seriously decent first team squad being assembled, there.

      1. El Presidente
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        1 month, 1 day ago

        At least this season they spent money on the right ºplayers....

    2. Joey Tribbiani
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Before Martinez, Watkins and Grealish new deal I was doubting your survival but looking better now

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          1 month, 1 day ago

          Yeah, they won't struggle. Lower-mid table, I'd say. Somewhere around 13th. In FPL terms that makes them a team full of nicely-priced assets.

    3. No Salah
      • 3 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Bottomed, Team is a mess specially without any city:

      McCarthy
      TAA Robbo Justin
      Bruno Son* Podence* Hames
      Werner* DCL Jimmy

      4.0 Davies Bissouma Mitchell

      Injuries and potential worries *

      1FT, 1.3 ITB

      Son + Werner > KDB + Maupay for -4?

      Any Better suggestions please?

      1. El Presidente
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Just Son to Mahrez

    4. El Presidente
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Would you do Rodriguez to KDB for a -4? Have DCL as well

      1. manu4life99
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        No

      2. ritzyd
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        1 month, 1 hour ago

        Yes

    5. slavkob
      • 3 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Guys can you help me out

      Ryan, Button
      TAA, Justin, Dallas, Dunne, Ferguson
      Salah, Sterling, Son, JRod, Zaha
      Jimenez, Mitrović, Wickham

      Would you do Son and Wickham to Barnes and DCL for -8? If not, what should I do? Maybe Wickham for Callum Robinson?

    6. phily4321
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Saiss & Burke OR Dunne & Podence?

      if podence is fit of course

    7. hewittj1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Is Son's price now locked from dropping as he is now red flagged?

      1. Daniel - Go Granville
        • 11 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        no, just needs more transfers for price drop

    8. Benteke Fried Chicken
      • 1 Year
      1 month, 1 day ago

      Not enough respect put on Vardy’s name. Top scorer this season, top scorer last season, and wasn’t far off being top the season before!

      2 decent home games incoming, both manager and player said he will be fine for weekend.

      Why is he not in many teams?!

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        1 month, 1 day ago

        0.5 too expensive?
        Actually people were tipping Foxes to struggle with their injury crisis. It's Brendan who didn't get enough respect, if anything.

      2. El Presidente
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        1 month, 1 day ago

        There are so many good (expensive) options in the game this season... doesnt surprise me at all. Look at % ownership, there are 47/48 players with double digit ownership... crazy...

      3. El Presidente
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        1 month, 1 day ago

        Plus he scored a lot of pens and he has low % of shots in the box and atempts on goal

      4. Joey Tribbiani
          1 month, 1 day ago

          Too many other expensive options that I want, if he was 9mil I might have transferred him in this week, just cant stretch to a 10mil forward

      5. joker14
          1 month, 1 day ago

          A: Vardy, Zaha, Pereira, Digne
          B: Ings/Jimenez, Fernandes, Podence/Klich, Lamptey

          Comments please 🙂

          1. 2OLEgend
              1 month, 1 day ago

              B with Jimenez and Podence imo

          2. slavkob
            • 3 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            Guys can you help me out

            Ryan, Button
            TAA, Justin, Dallas, Dunne, Ferguson
            Salah, Sterling, Son, JRod, Zaha
            Jimenez, Mitrović, Wickham

            Would you do Son and Wickham to Barnes and DCL for -8? If not, what should I do? Maybe Wickham for Callum Robinson ?

          3. fpork
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            Son->Rashford or Mahrez?

            1. Milk Milk Lemonade
              • 10 Years
              1 month, 1 day ago

              Mahrez for me. I think his numbers are fantastic whenever he gets minutes + you can bank that City are definitely going to rebound in a big way after last week

          4. manu4life99
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            A) Mitro > Jimi
            B) Bissouma > Barnes (bench Mitro)
            C) Werner > Jimi/Vardy
            D) Hold

            McCarthy
            TAA Justin KWP
            Salah KDB Rodriguez Podence
            Werner Mitro DCL

            steer mitchell bissouma dallas

          5. stephenpower130
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            1 month, 1 day ago

            Going into GW1, Werner was on my mind but was never hugely in contention to get into my team. I just thought the likes of Kane, Ings and Jimenez who are +/- 1M from Werner were much better options. The three of them are premier league proven players who you know who can return on a regular basis, while we had no data on Werner who came from a completely different league. Even if Werner hit the ground running I could of easily brought him in with a transfer early on. Same goes for Havertz, I wouldn't get him in until I had premier league data. I started off with Kane and Ings which has rewarded me with 50 points between them in 3 GW's. Just my play style really, I don't like punting on players with no data but if they do start off with a good run of form I will have a plan to get them in.

            1. Bossworld
              • 2 Years
              29 days, 10 hours ago

              Humble brag?

              1. stephenpower130
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                29 days, 4 hours ago

                Not at all. Just giving my opinion on what I thought was the best option going into GW1 in terms of unknown players. As much as I am happy with my forward pair of Kane and Ings people who started off with DCL and Vardy have jumped me.

          6. Roy Rovers
            • 6 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            Who gets the C?

            A - Jimmi
            B - Ings
            C - KDB
            D - Werner

            1. Herculeez
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 1 Year
              1 month, 7 hours ago

              Ings

          7. Well you know, Triffic
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            Werner - Don't buy, don't sell.

            1. MSTRKRFTSMN
              • 6 Years
              1 month, 1 day ago

              Counterintuitive but agreed

            2. BobbyDoesNotLook
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 1 day ago

              I agree until I see Jimmy's next fixture(s). Still an owner however.

          8. Ronnies
            • 5 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            McCarthy
            TAA, Saiss, Justin, Lewis
            Salah, KDB (c) J.Rod
            Martial, Jimenez, Wilson

            Forster, Bissouma, Ayling, Reed

            1.5m ITB
            Have already shipped Werner -> Jimenez.

            Best option for a -4 ?
            A) Martial -> Ings
            B) Wilson -> DCL
            C) Reed -> Trossard
            D) Hold.

            Thanks guys.

          9. Well you know, Triffic
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            The point is Chelsea are not playing to Werner's strengths and at present, from an FPL perspective he is a glorified winger with minimal goal threat if you compare his runs and positions from wide to Son, Salah, Mane, Rashford, Greenwood and co.

            His potential will be unlocked when they start putting him through the middle and Ziyech is fit again. At the moment there is 0 creativity with Kante and Kovacic. Mount and Abraham are not good passers either. The only one who can spot his runs are Jorginho.

            1. BobbyDoesNotLook
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 1 day ago

              You put it perfectly.

              Still an owner and still thinking if I should save ft this week. Saving would be quite easy decision despite your rationale if Jimmy didnt have the dream fixture next and really good ones after that as well.

          10. BinManJack
            • 4 Years
            1 month, 1 day ago

            pick one to bench
            a) James (PALACE)
            b) Justin (WEST HAM)
            c) Saiss (FULHAM)

            1. BobbyDoesNotLook
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 1 day ago

              Play all. What is your xi otherwise?

          11. RoyRedDevils
              1 month, 13 hours ago

              Team:
              McCarthy
              Walker/Digne J.Gomez Justin Vinagre
              Havertz Sterling Mane
              Lewin Jimenez Vardy
              Gotta be 70 plus points right??
              Should I drop from walker to 4.5m defender to put robo instead of gomez?

              1. stu92
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                1 month, 4 hours ago

                Yes to Robbo. No to 70 points.

            • DOGS
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 3 Years
              1 month, 7 hours ago

              Should i go Werner > DCL?

            • stu92
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 1 Year
              1 month, 4 hours ago

              Is this worth a wildcard after the international break?

              McCarthy - Nyland*
              TAA - Robbo - Semedo - Holding - Johnson*
              KDB - Bruno - Rodriguez* - Pereira - Soucek
              Jimenez - Martial* - Davis*

              1. Want to upgrade Nyland to Martinez/Ryan and potentially rotate goalies
              2. Johnson & Davis are poor 4.0/4.5 selections, Dunne & Brewster are better shouts I think
              3. Could do Martial & Davis to DCL & Maupay alternatively
              4. Not convinced yet by Rodriguez, may be best player in any given game but will he be best points/£ value?

            • Jabler79
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              1 month, 3 hours ago

              Would appreciate some advice. My current team:
              Ryan Walton
              TAA Dier Taylor KWP Mitchell
              KDB Fernandes Pereira ASM Bissouma
              Werner Jiminez Ings

              Should I:
              A) move Dier to Castagne for -4
              B) move ASM for Podence / Foden for -4
              C) hold

            • JohnnyRev7
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              1 month, 1 hour ago

              Have various WC drafts evolving but stuck on one question:

              Lamptey (4.6) or one of Ayling/Dallas (4.5) for the long run.

              I'm tempted by a LEE defender.

              Thoughts?

            • Ray In Bruges.
              • 7 Years
              28 days, 22 hours ago

              McCarthy (Nyland)
              TAA KWP Justin (Vinagre, Mitchell)
              Fernandes JRod KDB Traore (ASM)
              Jimenez Ings DCL

              G2G?