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14 January 2023 1409 comments
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The Manchester derby is the first Premier League match of the day and kicks off at Old Trafford at 12:30pm GMT.

United and City are two of the four clubs who ‘double’ in Gameweek 20 and have been well-backed by Fantasy Premier League managers as a result: three of the top four most-bought players ahead of Friday’s deadline came from the these two teams.

The names in question were Luke Shaw, Marcus Rashford and Kevin De Bruyne, and all of them start this afternoon.

As for the rest of the team news, Anthony Martial is fit enough to start for the hosts at Old Trafford.

Shaw stays at centre-half, with Tyrell Malacia at left-back, while Fred comes in to bolster the midfield at the expense of the benched Antony.

Three City players who have struggled for Premier League game-time since the World Cup, Kyle Walker, Joao Cancelo and Phil Foden, are the only three survivors from the side that lost to Southampton in the Carabao Cup in midweek.

Foden is back on the left flank at the expense of Jack Grealish, while Walker and Cancelo’s deployment at full-back means that there is no place for Rico Lewis.

Aymeric Laporte is also among the substitutes.

GAMEWEEK 20 TEAM NEWS

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Shaw, Varane, Malacia, Fred, Casemiro, Eriksen, Fernandes, Rashford, Martial.

Subs: Heaton, Lindelof, Maguire, Martinez, Antony, Elanga, McTominay, Garnacho, Mainoo.

Manchester City XI: Ederson, Walker, Ake, Akanji, Cancelo, Rodri, De Bruyne, Silva, Mahrez, Foden, Haaland.

Subs: Ortega, Phillips, Gundogan, Grealish, Laporte, Alvarez, Gomez, Palmer, Lewis.



  1. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Thats it, no players in rest of todays games. That's sh1te.

    1. Mr. O'Connell
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Could be worse.

    2. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Have Ward and Mee. Lets see how it goes!

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      It seems I have planned out my weekend beautifully. See y'all tomorrow 😆

  2. The Parrot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Lineups?

  3. FCHaalandaise
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Rash KDB and Bruno

    32 from match 1

    Sorted!

    1. FPL Brains
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Wow, nice one mate!

    2. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Nice

  4. Old Wulfrunian
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Best defender up to 5.6 except Tottenham/Trippier?

    1. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Any of Trippier's team mates or an arsenal defender

      1. Old Wulfrunian
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        cheers

  5. Arvin-ation
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    RASHFORD(C) VINDICATED!!!!

    Thought we were cooked after he went down 1st half lmao

    1. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      He just wanted a lie down

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Maybe he just felt pain strong enough.

  6. Random Name
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Rashford clearly impeded Akanji. It's not a goal... if you argue otherwise you don't understand/never played football before

    1. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

      + interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate

      + interfering with an opponent by:

      ----> preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision

      ----> challenging an opponent for the ball

      ---- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent

      ----> making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

      https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Which applies?

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          This one - making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

          1. Deulofail
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Who's ability to play the ball was impacted? And how?

            1. Bartowski
              • 15 Years
              3 years, 4 months ago

              The ability of the goalkeeper and defenders was impacted by the fact Rashford was in control of the ball, even if he hadn't touched it.

              1. Deulofail
                • 10 Years
                3 years, 4 months ago

                It didn't impact their ability to play the ball. Only their decision of whether to try to play. "Ability" is the key word. It sets a higher bar for interference than just something psychological in the minds of the defenders.

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  3 years, 4 months ago

                  It did impact their ability because they were wafting for an action from Rashford before making their decision i.e. is he going to shoot. It's the same reason you see goals ruled out when an offside player is standing near a goalkeeper because the goalkeeper is waiting for an action from that player.

                  If this whole sequence had occurred in the penalty area it would have been ruled out.

                  1. Deulofail
                    • 10 Years
                    3 years, 4 months ago

                    I don't see goals ruled out for that unless the player is interfering with the keeper's line of sight. If it does happen, the refs have made a mistake.

                    1. Debauchy
                      • 13 Years
                      3 years, 4 months ago

                      Interfering with play , done deal Deu

                    2. Bartowski
                      • 15 Years
                      3 years, 4 months ago

                      Nope, in that instance, they get ruled out for this one - making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball.

                      1. Deulofail
                        • 10 Years
                        3 years, 4 months ago

                        "impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" is so clearly written to mean something different to "interferes with opponent's footballing actions", so I disagree

                      2. Bartowski
                        • 15 Years
                        3 years, 4 months ago

                        All of the rules you pasted above contain the phrase 'play the ball' though.

      2. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        "--- clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent"

        This did happen^, no doubt about it.

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Rashford made no attempt to play the ball. He was considering it, clearly. But he decided against it.

          1. Fabreghastly
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            By which action he oriented the defence towards him and 'intefered with play'

            1. Deulofail
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 4 months ago

              What?

          2. Debauchy
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            He was hovering around the ball and clearly confusing the defenders .

            1. Deulofail
              • 10 Years
              3 years, 4 months ago

              Not against the rules. Just read them, they are there ^

      3. Team Bobcat
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Pretty straight forward. You would wonder how even with VAR it still struggles to make sense to so many.

        Time they considered doing away with off side in the whole. Less of the nonsense that way.

        They could limit it to the penalty box for starters.

        Note: I didnt see the game so this is not a reaction to the offside in this game but I have seen enough off sides (on sides) in recent times and problem appears ro he arguments canbe made both ways a lot of the time

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Not a United fan by any means, but I do understand the phrase ‘if the referee feels…’

      Ultimately if the referee doesn’t feel it was interfering then he does not have to give offside.

      As someone who obviously knows nothing about football and has never played the game in my life, I can actually grasp that concept of the rule.

    3. Fabreghastly
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      The rule has been increasingly used to rule out goals when players are merely standing offside and clearly not interfering

      So this decision really stands out as a new interpretation at a key moment in a game that could ultimately decide who are Champions

      Shocking

    4. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      I think it’s fine. Does that mean the football I’ve played never happened? If so, what a waste.

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Yes, it never happened because RN just said so.

  7. El Presidente
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    Matches shouldn't be decided by appalling referee decisions...

    1. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      How is it possible that VAR can be this poor? Are they MU fans? Even my mom would have done better.

    2. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      The VAR could change it but there was nothing to overturn. It's quite simple how it works.

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Well... I have seen VAR checking if the player being offside has affected vision for gk for example. Is that supposed to be different kind of interfering according rules?

        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          I think its needs to be far more clear cut to rule it out such as a touch or a body check.

          1. Baps Hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Just affecting vision of gk with positioning and/or little movement has been enough.

    3. The Senate
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Good thing this one wasn’t! Nothing wrong with any of the goals if you understand football

  8. Total Slotball
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    ETH use of subs is very impressive in big games. Makes changes early and all impact positvely

  9. gooberman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    1bp for KDB

  10. Hy liverpool
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 4 months ago

    ETH is the real deal.

    1. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Certainly I'm actually surprised that Man U made the decision to get him, given their decision making the past few years.

  11. MJF
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Lateriser's gone balls to the wall with a -12 that included Martial and no Kane.

      Guess his style means that he sometimes takes these risks and loses out.

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Kane hatty or YC and ban.. Nothing in between.

      2. Planet Head
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        After also having read his article this week, I think he expected most active players to take at least one hit. So maybe his logic was that a -12 is more like a -8 or -4 this week

      3. Hooky
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        I like the way he plays. Especially as I'm against him in a H2H this week!

    • Lucky Z
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Seriously, why Pep did not try Alvarez or Gundogan after going down?

      1. DARE TO BISCAN
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Sounds rude

    • Mom, Butters just gave me a…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Wow, I still can't believe Bruno's goal was given. Rashford influenced and distracted the whole defense in off-side position.

      Okay,.you can argue that the defense shouldn't have switched off like that. But Rashford was still physically involved.

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Play.

        To.

        The.

        Whistle.

      2. The Senate
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        They switched off when an onside midfielder was running through on goal. Their own fault

        1. Mom, Butters just gave me a…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Well. Would they have switched off, if Rashford had stopped his attempt and not chased the ball until last second?

          Same with Edison, he came out to stop Rashford but there was no need to come out in the end. But it made it much easier to score for Bruno.

          But it's 2023 not 2003 anymore, different ball game I guess.

      3. DARE TO BISCAN
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        If you're gonna discount the defence not playing well, you could say that about any goal

    • lilmessipran
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 4 months ago

      Why have they kept the Brentford game as the late standalone kickoff? No disrespect to the teams but a lot of other games for that slot would have worked better.

      1. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Decided a while ago I guess? But yeah Everton-Soton is a huge game at the bottom

        1. The Mentaculus
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          God no, give me Brentford over that game any day

      2. MJF
          3 years, 4 months ago

          'Cause they have to show every team a certain number of times.

          1. lilmessipran
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Did not know that was a thing, makes sense in that case

        • The Senate
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Garden centre game for sure

        • Gandalf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          They decided a Toney hat-trick would make prime time viewing

          1. lilmessipran
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Haha

      3. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        No clean sheets
        Haaland blank
        Rashford goal

        Kane TC to come.

        Dreamland!

      4. It’s gonna Ben Mee
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        32 points so far. I’ll take it

        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          What if you don’t want to take it?

          1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
            • 12 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Then it’s a do over

          2. Scapegoat Salah
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Create another team!

      5. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        KdB with a cheeky BAP

        1. DARE TO BISCAN
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Both are

      6. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Same old UTD, Always cheating. They don't win many without some contrevery. Especially against the big teams. Why is anyone shocked?

        1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
          • 16 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          * controversy

        2. Lingard’s Shin Guards
          • 7 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          can i get you a tissue mate?

          1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
            • 16 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            My mummy taught me not to take anything from dirty disgusting UTD fans. I'm good thanks

        3. boc610
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Haha cheating ? Try pi***ng all over finacial fair play for the last decade . Thats cheating.

      7. Radzio
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Somehow I feel that doesn't matter for whom you are rooting for, such goals are simply hurting the game.

      8. Bobby Digital
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Massive chance to climb the rankings with a differential captain this week...

        1. Pep's Money Laundry
          • 10 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Or Haaland could haul against a very dodgy spurs defence

          1. Gizzachance
            • 11 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Hope so v tot dodgy defence, usually conceding about 2 !

      9. gooberman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        Just watched the Bruno goal again. Legitimate goal. The presence of Rashford had no impact on the play or what the defenders did so not interferring.

        1. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Ederson ran towards Rashford, not Bruno.

        2. Debauchy
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Nonsense , and I have Bruno

      10. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 4 months ago

        I love how city fans want to argue about a 50 50 call when the reality is they are in deep shite with the viking up top and he can break every record and they still got worse as a team but they don't want to face that reality. May haaland stay at city for many years and may pep continue to change his unstoppable style to accommodate one person's mission to be the best player in the world. Rash is not your problem. Haaland is

        1. Bartowski
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Nah.

          1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            When was the last time city looked this bad?

            Living memory: ...

            1. Bartowski
              • 15 Years
              3 years, 4 months ago

              Trudging off with those goalposts there...

              1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
                • 9 Years
                3 years, 4 months ago

                Eh?

                1. Bartowski
                  • 15 Years
                  3 years, 4 months ago

                  Your comment was about Haaland wrecking their side not City having a bad few games.

                  1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
                    • 9 Years
                    3 years, 4 months ago

                    Those two are not necessarily independent facts.

                    Haaland has ruined city

                    City are playing crap

                    1. Bartowski
                      • 15 Years
                      3 years, 4 months ago

                      I think their independent 'facts' so nah.

                      1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
                        • 9 Years
                        3 years, 4 months ago

                        That's why I kindly inserted the phrase not necessarily.

                        You think they are independent and I thin they are not. Time will tell.

                        Hopefully haaland ends up cities top scorer and never wins anything except golden boots.

                        Best player to never win the premiership might finally get settled

                        1. Bartowski
                          • 15 Years
                          3 years, 4 months ago

                          Nah

        2. Mirror Man
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Haaland is to City as Ronaldo was to United.

            1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
              • 9 Years
              3 years, 4 months ago

              Yes and no

              United had the balls to get rid of ronaldo

        3. Ange Ball
          • 11 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Rashford cap here let's hope Spurs can shut up shop on Haaland.

        4. Debauchy
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          No doubt offside should have been the call for Bruno's goal ,no doubt whatsoever .
          That said as a Bruno owner and Arsenal supporter I will take it .

        5. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
          • 9 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          (Not so) bold prediction:

          The only thing city win this year is the golden boot.

          #longnorwegianwinter

        6. Gandalf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Might become a new strategy a player constantly lurking around the goalkeeper distracting him but not touching the ball

        7. villa_til_i_die
          • 14 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Didn’t see the game. Arsenal’s title to lose now, or just a bad spell for city?

          1. MYNAMEISBigtopmark.sman
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Pep needs a false 9

            Does that answer your question?

          2. Debauchy
            • 13 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            One diabolical decision changed the game. Big games upcoming Arsenal home to MC and MU.

        8. Haa-lala-land
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          These four games on now are so tight to call.

        9. AutoFill 2021
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          3 years, 4 months ago

          Salah to Ganacho, free up 8.5m?

          1. Not again Shirley
            • 9 Years
            3 years, 4 months ago

            Salah to anyone would be an upgrade TBH.