Pro Pundits
17 May 2023 188 comments
Simon March Simon March
Share:

Our top team of Pro Pundits and Hall of Famers write about all things Fantasy Premier League (FPL) throughout the season.

Only Premium Members are able to read every single one of these pieces, so sign up today to get full access not just to the editorial content but all of the other benefits, from hundreds of Opta stats to a transfer planner.

Here, former FPL champion Simon March wonders if we can really define what makes an FPL manager good.

FPL team reveal: Why I've picked Vardy over Haaland and Kane

I won’t pretend otherwise: this season has been a real grind. Like every FPL campaign, it’s had its highs and lows, but I personally feel like I’ve had to fight, claw and scrap harder than normal to make any sort of progress this time. In fact, it’s felt like that kind of a game for a few seasons now.

In the three complete seasons from 2019/20 – which we might consider ‘The Covid Era’ of FPL – my ranks have been around 5k, 400k and 48k respectively. With one game left in Gameweek 36, this season I’m currently about 30 points outside of the top 100k, where it feels like I’ve been for a few months. While not impossible, my chances of finishing with at least a five-figure rank (something I’d consider a ‘win’ at this point) seem to be diminishing with each passing Gameweek.

Quite a range but what does any of it mean? Collectively, is it a good performance, a bad performance or a mediocre one? It certainly can’t be called consistent but is consistency even possible when over 11 million managers are playing this game?

I don’t feel like I’ve been playing any differently, so sometimes I question if I still know what it takes to do well at FPL nowadays, or even if I’m any good at it anymore.

What does ‘being good at FPL’ even mean right now? As we head towards the end of this season, it feels like now is a good time to ask.

The good old days

There was a time when ‘being good at FPL’ was very easy to determine; if you finished in the top 10k, then you were good. Then, amongst FPL managers with a lot of top 10k finishes, that question might morph into, “Ah but how many times have you finished in the top 10k” or “Yeah but you’ve never finished in the top 100 though, have you?”. It was a simpler time.

To put into perspective how pervasive the top 10k standard was, I remember appearing very briefly on the very first episode of ‘The FPL Show’ in the year after I won the whole game. When legendary football presenter James Richardson asked where I had finished that year, I was so embarrassed by my rank that I pretended that I couldn’t remember. Would you like to know where I finished? 18k.

The thought of being embarrassed by an 18k rank now seems quite absurd. Maybe it also was back then but, of course, everything is relative. If you finish in the top 7,710,000 this season, you will have beaten twice as many FPL managers as I did when winning in 2015. If you score more than 2,470 points, you’ve totalled more than I did although, in fairness, the chips didn’t exist back then.

Defining ‘good’ evolves as the game grows. Some argue that top 10k is still the benchmark, others say it should be 50k or 100k. The threshold could be even higher if we’re talking in terms relative to what the top 10k previously meant.

But what does it mean if you have a high rank one season and not the next? Can you still be considered good at FPL? While there are a handful of managers who seem to somehow do brilliantly every season, most managers will have at least one ‘bad’ year throughout their FPL career.

This includes all the content creators who you might look to for advice (or entertainment, at least). Over a long enough timeline, even the most freakish of FPL managers – including the Scandinavians – will experience one poor season.

Sadly, off the top of my head, I can name a few who I know in my heart are better at this game than I am but who are currently ranked below me. I might have finished higher than some of them last season, too. However, none of this is enough to convince me that I am now better than them, so if neither past, recent nor current performances are decisive, how do we determine whether we’re good or not?

Is it just luck?

Saka’s goal contributions, Lacazette’s creativity, Watford’s home form: FPL notes 7

Without getting into another unsolvable debate on this, we all generally agree that luck has something to do with where we end up. Sometimes we have the big dramatic slices of luck that launch us into one direction, such as when our Triple Captain scored 60 points or gets injured 15 minutes into a Double Gameweek.

Yet it’s the little bits of luck that gradually mount up; picking the right player of two with seemingly similar prospects, when your defender gets subbed off on 59 minutes and narrowly misses a clean sheet, getting nine points off your bench thanks to an autosub. These are what make the real difference by the season’s end.

As FPL heads towards 12 million players, it becomes inevitable that the influence of luck will grow even greater and this is exacerbated by there being typically more points sloshing around the game in its current format. 

We can use the somewhat popular argument that the last few seasons are ‘asterisk seasons’ anyway, with a succession of unforeseeable events affecting fixture schedules.

These conditions suit some playing styles better than others but, more than anything, they suit those who found themselves on the right side of good fortune. I don’t believe that this makes the game purely just luck but it’s had a bigger influence in these recent campaigns than it might have had in a ‘normal’ one.

Even so, some managers have adapted to these circumstances better than others and we can certainly use adaptability as one trait for a ‘good FPL manager’. After all, sometimes we can help to make luck happen.

Conclusion

FPL review: Salah ends goal drought, Gakpo off the mark

Realistically, what determines whether or not you are a good or bad FPL manager must be based on more than just the current season. Consistency of past performances will always be a more reliable indicator than a one-off example. Being defined by your latest season ignores so much context, as is pointing to where you finished ten years ago.

Using the top 10k to define excellence now seems archaic and excessively elitist in a game played by over 11 million people, though I’m sure at least 10,000 FPL managers will disagree with me!

While the skills that generally contribute to being good remain largely the same, the results they yield will become increasingly inconsistent with so many participants. More managers will equal greater variance and, consequently, a higher luck factor.

Equally, it is unrealistic to expect everyone to approach each season in the same fashion. FPL managers are, of course, real people and life sometimes gets in the way. In some years you may have a lot of time to invest in FPL, some years you may not, some years you may be highly motivated and some years you may not. The context will always matter.

So maybe we have to get used to the idea that being ‘good at FPL’ has become more ephemeral or mercurial than perhaps it once was and, really, there is nothing wrong with that. To use an analogy that we’ll definitely all understand; form comes and goes and it’s not always easy to point to why. Liverpool’s Mohamed Salah (£13.1m) is one of the best players the Premier League has ever seen but he doesn’t become a bad player every time he goes a few weeks without scoring a goal.

All we can do is lace up our figurative boots and try our best each season, in whatever circumstances we find ourselves in. Perhaps we should not worry so much about what a good or bad rank is. While there is nothing wrong with taking pride in such things, it is probably unhealthy to internalise it too much, to be too self-flagellating or, indeed, too self-congratulatory over where we finish in an FPL season.

It’s easy to forget at times but FPL is a game and games are supposed to be fun. It’s very possible that the managers who are really ‘good at FPL’ are not the ones with the highest or most consistent ranks but are actually just the ones who allow themselves to enjoy it the most.



188 Comments Login to Post a Comment
  1. dshv
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Best martinelli replacement ???

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Rashford!

  2. The Philosopher
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    What does it mean to be good at FPL?

    Score plenty of points regularly?

  3. thepuntmaster
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Quite some luck off the bench for Richard Osman this week

  4. Dunk and Disorderly
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Top 50k now I'd say. Top 10k perhaps comparable now to a previous Top 1k finish. Definitely requires a bit of luck / things to go your way too.

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Previously what have been

      Top 10K, top 1K and top 100 is now

      Top 100K, top 10K and top 1K imo

      1. Debauchy
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        I would say top 50 k to replace 100 k otherwise agree

  5. gonzalocampos
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    I have 3 options, what would you choose:
    1) March to McAllister (Bench Trippier)
    2) Trippier to Dias
    3) Raya to Ederson (Play Trippier - unsecure minutes)

    Current team (70K OR)
    Kepa - Raya
    TAA - Trippier - Botman - Shaw Estupiñan
    March - Fernandes - Rashford - Mitoma - Salah
    Halland - Isaak - Greenwood

  6. bialk
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Winning FPL is more luck, than skills. Good in FPL means finishing in top 10k as much, as possible. This is more skills than luck.

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah luck is huge factor. Especially with 10milion + managers

  7. Forgetmeknot
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Interesting article thanks.

    If you are ‘good’ and have good luck, you will finish high.

    If you are bad and have bad luck, low.

    Most of us will be somewhere in between the two.

    Perhaps this is the nature vs nurture argument of FPL, which has the greater impact?

    1. Forgetmeknot
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      I would add in a game of 11m you won’t win without luck

    2. The Philosopher
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Always felt that to consistently make Top 50k ot whatever, you need some sort of "skill", but to win it all, you need huge(i mean HUGE) amount of luck. You look at FPL winners and most of them aren't consistent guys but just got extremely lucky that season. The game is 75% luck, 25% skill imo.

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        I think it’s 60 40 and 60% is skill

    3. Riverside Red
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Imo you need plenty of luck and have full dedication to trawling news updates to give an advantage. Fortunately most people have a life and don't have time for investigating every snippet

  8. Feanor
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Last season my rank was 356,887 - my worst in 16 years of playing FPL.

    Currently this season I'm at 552, and I don't think I've changed the way I played.

    1. bialk
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Lucky man 🙂

  9. Kodap
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    So if I moved Raya > DDG this week, I'd be looking at this team.. any glaring issues or anything you'd do for a -4? I will monitor Rashford to see if he's likely to start/move Botman into the 11 if not.

    DDG
    Trippier - Taa - Shaw
    Mitoma - Salah - Mac10 - Mahrez - Rashford
    Haaland - Isak

    Steele - Botman - Watkins - Zinchenko

  10. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    My goal is top 1k every season, anything worse than that and I'm disappointed

    1. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      My goal for many seasons was to have at least one top 1k finish, but I have yet to achieve it and now probably never will.
      In fact, I've only ever been in the top 1k for a few weeks in one season, before messing it up.

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        I still think it's pretty achievable, just have to take more risks than in previous seasons

        1. Robe Wan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 9 months ago

          This only make sense if you know the risks are asymmetric

  11. Riverside Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    So at least we now know that Jacob Murphy remained an unused substitute at Leeds United because of a tight groin.

  12. Deer-in-headlights
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    For remaining games:
    A. Mahrez (-4) (Assuming not playing CL)
    B. Mitoma

  13. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone have a clear position or insight on Kepa for the remaining games this season?

    I tended to think after Saturday that surely he'd come back in for those challenging away fixtures and that the Forest game was just a good chance for giving Mendy a run out. Then again trying to second guess a terrible manager with a few games left on his deal is perhaps fool's gold.

    Fwiw, I'm deciding between Newcastle Def to Shaw or Raya (currently on my bench) to DDG this week, so that's the context.

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      I think he starts the remaining three games

    2. The Biscuitmen
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      No insider knowledge but it would seem odd to drop a keeper for just one game but, as you say, trying to second guess Lampard is pointless.

      I have Kepa on my bench and Steele starting. Unless you had no other moves to do or your other keeper isn't playing I'd just ride out the season with your second keeper.

  14. lilmessipran
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Bit subjective innit?

  15. Karan_G14
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this lot?

    Ederson
    TAA Shaw Trippier Estupinan
    Salah Bruno Rashford Mitoma
    Haaland Isak

    (Forster Botman March Gwood)
    1FT & 0.4m

    A) Save Ft
    B) Trippier ➡️ City def?
    C) Anything else?

    1. ct mariner
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      March to MacA and bench Trippier?

  16. artvandelay316
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    A lot of talk of skill vs luck, but I think a third variable is being overlooked: perseverance. At least part of the key to success is being able to persevere consistently for all game weeks, ensuring you have the best team you can. Some will give up if things don't go their way, even if they have been playing to win most of the season.

    I have seen that from a couple of ML opponents who were above me in the ML at Christmas, but I then made some crucial moves which allowed me to jump ahead and now the gap is around 120 points between me (first place) and second place, and even more for third place. One has given up, one is close to it and not making the best moves.

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Very true mate, the ability to grind your way through the rough
      patches plays a large part in the final outcome.

    2. The Biscuitmen
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      I think that's part of the skill. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Part of being a good test batter is concentration and that's the same with FPL. Stick as it for the season and you'll invariably overtake people that stop playing or play on tilt. Don't doubt yourself when you don't get the rub of the green but analyze the decision and be honest with yourself if you were right and just unlucky or if you were wrong and how you can be better next time.

      For example I TCed Haaland in GW23 (the first double) and he got 8 points. I stand by that as a good decision. On the other hand I stacked my team with some fairly expensive defenders (Mee and Schar) to try and maximise BB but I limited funds available for future transfers by doing that which made other transfers sub-optimal which in hindsight I think was a poor decision.

    3. Forgetmeknot
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Bit late the party in playing here but agree with the above comment, you can either impact an outcome (skill) or can’t (luck).

      Perseverance comes under the former for me

      1. Forgetmeknot
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        Posting* not playing

  17. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    March only used the word 'variance' one in that article. But from what I noticed a lot if those community youtubers say 'variance' a lot more.
    They would never EVER use the word 'luck' that would be fpl heresy. Many fpl youtubers try and puesdo-science it up a bit.

    Macro this Micro that. Sounds like an economics class half the time.
    Maybe this is where March is going wrong? Maybe he needs to go on about 'metadata' (who talks like that in real life?)

    All the cool kids seem to get lost in the jargon, to the point that very few words other than fpl jargon is used. caveat this, haul that. XG this XA that.

  18. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Being a good fpl manager is akin to being a good poker player. Yes in poker, on a hand by hand basis, there is going to be luck involved. Much like there is from gameweek to gameweek in FPL. It's about making consistently good decisions over a large enough sample size that the luck element evens out, and those making the closest to optimal decisions tend to prevail. But just as in poker, in FPL you can certainly go on large downswings of luck over a long period and have a bad season, and vice versa, a spell of exceptionally good luck and have an incredible season.

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Aye Bubz in a nutshell fella

    2. onceuponatyne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      It is like poker, but mostly me for in the sense of how you should judge your points and position. You shouldn't get too happy or too sad based upon results, you should be happy or sad based on whether you made the correct calls with the information you had available at the time. I've lost poker hands I played perfectly and won hands I played awfully and my feelings on my performance are based on how I played it, not the end result of winning or not.

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        Yes totally agree

    3. Ghost10
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      This is really well summed up.

      I'd compare it to the stock market to a certain extent too, using your analogy - ie in FPL, things even out over time provided we're making consistently good decisions. But 'time' could mean anything from a few months, to a season, to multiple seasons.

      Your other point about up and down-swings is also a good one - the trick, as you say, is in identifying those opportunities to maximize your upside and limit your downside.

      In FPL, for upside, this can mean maximizing double gameweeks, while in the stock market it can mean finding an underrated IPO to invest in. For limiting downside, in certain weeks you may need to go with effective ownership in order not to lose too much ground and be able to stay in the race.

  19. Pep Roulette
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Bring one in

    A. Rashford
    B. Bruno

    1. GC123
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      If it’s a straight shootout, Bruno for security. I expect him to deliver in United’s favourable run-in

  20. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    https://fplreview.com/season-review/

    A decent tool as we close the season to see just how "lucky" or "unlucky" we have been. I am down -71 points according to variance. When you combine that with someone who has had as good luck as my bad this season - then the difference is massive. I am 150 pts down on somebody in my ML who this tool thinks should have been 10pts behind me, all things being "fair".

    The game is 50/50 luck and skill imo and always has been. The only difference now is that your rank can be downright awful if you have bad luck due to sheer no of players and how clued up they are due to widely available info.

    1. it lies in the proles
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Fair? Nothing to do with fairness, it’s about going with the data or going with your guts.

      1. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        "Fair" in this instance literally is the data though...

  21. Michelle Davin
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    I think I might have a better record than Fabio Borges.

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Fair play. At FPL?

  22. Flynniesta
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Very good read.

  23. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    It's more judgement and probability.

    With a bit of patience and as someone else said perseverance thrown into the mix.

    I'm not convinced that 'skill' is the right description in a virtual game.

    Anyhow, as long as you are enjoying it and are top X whatever and also stay in touch with more distant friends and family partly through it...

    All to the good.

  24. The Biscuitmen
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    I played FPL a few seasons back around 2009 then stopped. Started again 3 years ago but very much a casual and picking on vibes rather than anything more meaningful. Last 3 years finished between 1-2m. This year I've taken it (reasonably) seriously and currently 95k, would be v.pleased to sneak into the top 50k. There's clearly skill to it, I've planned transfers out and looked into player data more than before. That said, there are clearly huge chunks of luck involved in a game with so many variables.

    Like Richie Benaud once said, "Captaincy is 90% luck and 10% skill. But don't try it without that 10%." FPL feels very similar.

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Richie Benaud will always be remembered by cricket lovers the world over and yep pretty much sums it up in terms of FPL also

  25. Kodap
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Will monitor Rashford situation and switch him out if it looks like he's not gonna play, but how does this look? Bench order right, captain good?

    DDG
    Trippier - Taa - Shaw
    Mitoma - Salah - Mac10 - Mahrez - Rashford
    Haaland (c) - Isak

    Steele - Botman - Watkins - Zinchenko

  26. it lies in the proles
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Hits - No hits

    I took a -12 this gw for 5 changes, incl Estupi and Wilson. Still a game to play, but even in a single gameweek it would have been worth it.

    Take the risk, take a hit!

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      - 12 hits will seldom pay . I never go more than a -8 and even then only in exceptional circumstances. Could you not have got Wilson and Estup for less hits is the question . Regardless well done mate.

  27. Aribo Starmix
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Best option for the last 2 weeks?...

    a. Shaw & Eze
    b. Wan-Bissaka & Odegaard

  28. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Good afternoon all-

    Preferred option for this week folks(will impact my transfer)????have DDG and Rashford

    A- Grealish and Shaw
    Or
    B- Bruno and Trippier

    Cheers everyone!!!!

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      Tough , flip that coin

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        Haha I think you’re right there mate!!!

  29. C0YS
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    On the fence about which transfer to make, thoughts?

    A) Dalot -> Shaw
    B) Grealish -> Gundo/Mahrez

    20 points behind in my 2 main ML’s

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      A
      I also have Dalot but would take a hit to swop which may not pay , as Dalot could easily get one game and a return.

      1. Debauchy
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 9 months ago

        From an Arsenal supporter 🙂

  30. Miguel Sanchez
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 9 months ago

    Move this week?

    A) Kepa to DDG (have Raya too)
    B) Grealish to Bruno

    1. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 9 months ago

      B