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2 November 2016 1136 comments
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We dim the lights on Gameweek 10, turning attentions to the rising stock of Manchester City’s mid-price German and the continued promise in the Potteries, while pondering the merits of a change of shape.

The Player

Back-to-back braces against West Brom and Barcelona have sealed the deal for many Fantasy Premier League managers when it comes to Ilkay Gundogan.

The German was already ranked top for transfers in this Gameweek prior to last night’s Champions League display, having served up an 18-point haul against the Baggies on Saturday.

Gundogan went into the Barca clash with the praise of Pep Guardiola ringing in his ears – the City boss reckons
“it is impossible” to achieve his targets without the summer signing on board.

Utilised in a double-pivot role for former club Dortmund, Gundogan bagged just four goals and seven assists in his final two years in the Bundesliga.

Guardiola has a history of reinventing players, though, and a switch to 4-1-4-1 has allowed Gundogan to play with the handbrake off as Fernandinho is instead tasked with patrolling the area in front of City’s back-four.

Despite rising in price overnight, Gundogan’s current cost of 5.6 could still prove exceptional value for money if, as expected, he can cement a starting berth.

In saying that, City’s plethora of attacking options still remains an issue for would-be investors.

With Gundogan initially sidelined through injury, Pep started the season with Kevin De Bruyne and David Silva in central midfield and, while the Belgian is versatile enough to be fielded on the flank, it remains to be seen whether Guardiola prefers him orchestrating play in the middle.

Nonetheless, it hasn’t deterred the 202,000+ FPL managers who have splashed the cash on Gundogan since Saturday’s deadline as we seek out that cheaper fourth or fifth midfielder.

With a home clash against Middlesbrough up next, Pep is likely to field his strongest side as City look to go into the international break at the summit.

Another start and convincing performance from the German should see that bandwagon roll on at pace over the upcoming fortnight.

The Team

Three wins on the spin ensure that Stoke City now warrant our attention.

Until this point, our focus has centred on the now-undeniable appeal of Joe Allen as a cheap but hugely productive midfield option.

His Gameweek 10 performance, punctuated by a pair of assists, continued an ascent and has booked him almost 100,000 new owners ahead of Saturday’s trip to West Ham United.

But Stoke’s potential can extend beyond the Welshman.

Wilfried Bony’s brace on Monday night announced his return to consideration.

A provider of 17 goals for Swansea in the 2013/14 campaign, the Ivorian can produce in the top flight if he can be kept fed by the craft of Allen, Marko Arnautovic and Xherdan Shaqiri.

While Allen will again be buzzing around Bony’s muscular presence at the London Stadium, the service provided by Arnautovic will be absent through suspension, with Shaqiri also an injury doubt.

Gameweek 11 returns could be a stretch, then, even with the Hammers missing the influence of Winston Reid at the back.

But, longer term, Bony can be Stoke’s elusive goalscorer to ignite Stoke as an attacking force.

The Potters have played the bottom three sides over their last previous three Gameweeks, urging caution when assessing their current form.

However, with four in six at the bet365 stadium to follow Saturday’s clash, Bony can embark on a run of goals and begin to edge himself into our thinking.

If he can show consistency, we would also see Allen, Arnautovic and Shaqiri flourish further – with their supply translating into assist returns.

The Talking Point

The emergence of Gundogan adds further fuel to the formation debate.

For several seasons we’ve been set on the popular 3-4-3 set-up, a structure that would allow us to adopt the current midfield template, working in tandem with a settle frontline.

Circumstances in this campaign are prompting a rethink.

Gundongan adds to a cast of worthy fifth midfielder options, with the aforementioned Joe Allen joined by the likes of Junior Stanislas, Etienne Capoue and Nacer Chadli all affordable alternatives to a third striker, nudging us towards a 3-5-2.

The forwards have also played their part in this current movement – failing to provide us with reliable mid-price options to rival the almost weekly supply of candidates in midfield.

The tri-force of Sergio Aguero, Romelu Lukaku and Diego Costa looks unshakable but, for most, it’s out of reach if we are to concentrate funds on two or three big-hitting midfielders.

While it can often come down to a choice of two of those three forward candidates, filling the third striker spot has proved difficult.

Jermain Defoe is the only sub-8.0 striker to have scored more than four times, with Charlie Austin (four goals) perhaps currently the only other option to warrant the investment.

With the fixtures set to wing in favour of defensive investment at Chelsea and Spurs over the next month, the lure of a shift to five across the middle is growing.

Acquiring a benchwarmer up front – perhaps Hull City’s Will Keane – can make it possible to stock the midfield, sparing funds to pick up some reassuringly expensive options at the back.

As Gundogan flourishes and the procession of candidates from midfield continues, it’s now up to the likes of Defoe, Austin and perhaps Bony to prove they can keep pace to retain our trust in the 3-4-3 setup.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Hands Guber
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Good afternoon cowboys,I'm mad for a hit this week but I think I should sit still? I've already done Cech to Heaton for funds and other obvious reasons.

    Heaton
    Lovren//Bellerin//Smith
    Lallana//Sanchez//Payet//Mata
    Aguero(C)//Rashford//Wilson(VC)

    Grant//Allen//Holebas//Amat

    1.7 in the bank

    Thank you cowboys

    1. Larry Legend
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Wilson VC? Other than that GTG.

      1. Hands Guber
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Suspect no hope of Aguero getting rested ahead of internationals so it doesn't really matter who VC is on.

        I would be tempted by Wilson (C) since I captained him the week he got a goal/assist but Kun is King.

        1. Krionos
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          It really does matter who VC is on... You never know what can happen. Getting your team set for the weekend (Including bench, VC etc etc.) Is usually a lot more important than considering further 4 point hits...

  2. ANDER.
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    A) Vertonghen > Fuchs (-8)
    B) Do it next week

    Which one would you prefer?

    1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      A would be rediculous. Just sayin

    2. EmreCan Hustle
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      B

    3. ANON.
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      B

    4. Worzel Gummidge
        9 years, 3 months ago

        A would be for a -4 and B

      • Sjaugen
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        It's still a -4 even if it's your second hit.
        B

        1. ANDER.
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Knew that Lol. But guess the leagues like LMS takes the hits into consideration and i don't want to drop out of it just yet

      • ANDER.
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        My defenders cover next week easily but the price changes are my actual concern. Vert may drop, Fuchs could rise. Think i will wait till friday then ..

    5. Allen v Gundogan
      LakhaneeFC
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Allen vs Gundogan debate:

      I know everyone will probably consider yesterday's results to be definitive proof that the City mid is the perfect 4th/5th midfielder, but I am not so sure:

      Pep's statement that they can't win without him is being misconstrued in my opinion. It does NOT mean that he's going to be playing every game and is above rotation risk - i think it means that having him provides the team with depth which is necessary to battle for 2 trophies. If you look at the goals against Barca, I don't think he was a driver for the goals (unlike KDB), he just pushed forward along with the team and got the final touch.

      Regarding Allen, i won't go into the stats as they're covered elsewhere, but I would think having Arnie and Shaq out only makes it having Allen a much juicier prospect. You now have a guaranteed creative hotspot with a proven FPL scorer in Bony up font - the balls/attacking options will pass through him going forward. Additionally, with West Ham horrible at the back and with Reid now suspended - I am going to put money on the fact that Stoke will score/create a LOT more chances this GW

      TL;DR: Allen over Gundagon for the next 2 GWs

      Would love to know what others think on this - is there anything i am missing?

      1. ANON.
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Makes a lot of sense

      2. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I agree Allen is more involved in attacks than Gundo, but I'm not convinced Stoke are a free scoring team. They've just played against really poor defenses.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Their next 4 matches are: West Ham (Without Reid), Bournemouth, Watford, Burnley

          I think that satisfies the 'defensively weak teams' criteria - for 3/4 atleast

          1. EmreCan Hustle
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Compare that with City and their attack potential.
            West Ham, Watford and Bournemouth can all prove stubborn.

            1. LakhaneeFC
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Just made a similar reply below:

              City's potential actually dilutes Gundo's chances of being involved in the goals. Stoke might score less, but there's a higher chance of Allen being involved in each of them

              I don't think West Ham (this GW) will be able to keep a CS - remember when they didn't have Cresswell at the start of the season?

              1. EmreCan Hustle
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Remember when Stoke didn't have Shaqiri and Arnie at the start of the season?

                But I agree about Allen's involvement.
                Just think that if City rip a few defenses apart, everyone will get some returns.

      3. TheSteel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Gundogan remind me of Lampard the way he trails in to the box behind the play. Especially on the goal last night and his second one on the weekend. Lampard was an FPL monster.

        1. MagicMessi
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I think Allen is more similar to lampard !

          1. LakhaneeFC
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I kind of agree - too soon to tell though. Lampard was a monster.

            But Allen/Bony could be a diluted version of Lampard/Drogba in my opinion

        2. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          That is a fair point - but Lampard was never a defensive cover. Also, I think Gundo will get goals, but he will remain the sweeper behind the creative hub of KDB, Sterling, Silva, Nolito and Aguero

      4. pompeyfan
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        or Stoke will struggle to score missing their 2 most creative players, or Bojan could come in and take some of Allen's points.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          That is a definite possibility - can't be ignored.

          Hopefully West Ham capitulate without Reid and make it easier 🙂

      5. Football Weekender
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I love Gündogan as a player but I'' not sold on him as a consistent FPL option. I think the most goals he's scored in a season previously is 5? He'll surpass that this season but I think the last week has been something of an anomaly. And obviously the risk of rotation is always there with the great options City have.

        In short, great for building team value now but I'm not convinced it'll translate into points.

      6. momomaimai
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Gundogan with Boro and Allen with Westham.....I think Gundogan over Allen this game week.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Boro have been quite good defensively in the past 2-3 GWs. I agree City will win/score goals, but it's not the kind of defence where your defensive midfielder also starts joining the fun

          1. John t penguin
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            and barca are

            1. LakhaneeFC
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              I think the league is a different beast, and you can't do A>B, B>C hence A>C. Plus City play with a very different press/presence in CL.

              Also, Barca wasn't exactly at full strength - which was a big factor in their defensive uncertainty in the match

      7. Mr-Inbetween
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I think its important to remember the teams they play for, City will score much more - giving Gundogan the opportunity to be involved in a lot more goals. Stoke on the other hand could easily go games without goals, which is probably more likely without Arnautovic and Shaqiri.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I would think it's the other way around:

          Assuming City get 3 goals in a match: The probability that Gundo is one of them is low when you have Aguero, Sterling, KDB upfront.

          Stoke getting 1 goal in a match: I would assume it's Allen/Bony combination (with Arnie and Shaq out)

          I think we should also focus on who they play, and playing against a weak defense guarantees both teams score - i just think Allen's involvement seems more sure

      8. Krionos
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Some good input there, but Stoke creating more than City?? errmmm...

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Not more than City, that's never going to happen 🙂

          % of chances created that Allen will be a part of (vs Gundo) - that's key i think

      9. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        An attacking force like city at moment easily outweighs a "what if he's better with no shaq or arnie " for me. I could have probably excelled against the defence allen faced over last 3. I don't think he will have it that easy for a while..but yes it's all ifs and buts.no one knows yet just go with instinct.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Yup, boils down to gut feeling at the end. Mine is Allen, clearly 🙂

      10. Crystal
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Allen with a proven goal scorer in front of him but Gundogan doesn't have that? Also, Allen not exactly prolific away from home. I'd bring in Gundogan for this GW and take it from there

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Hmm, hadn't checked his away form - might be a factor towards Gundo.

          Gundo does, but he looks like the pass before the assist, given his position. Too much talent in front of him to feed Aguero in the final third

      11. TRIPPIER'S DAD
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Double up, for sure. He who dares, wins!

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          If you have nothing else pressing, you are a lucky man! 🙂

          1. GENERATION X
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            I've done likewise but was pushed into a corner somewhat having Snod n Arnie...

            1. GENERATION X
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              ...so Capoue went, I took the money before he drops even further (which is inevitable)...

              1. LakhaneeFC
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Makes sense - i should have figured out a way to sell Capoue at his peak price (was putting out fires elsewhere)

                Good luck - you win both ways!

      12. Individual
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Excellent.

        As I posted earlier, I'm worried Gundog is a bit of a red herring. I remember last year Schneiderlin scored in consecutive gameweeks, cue a bandwagon, lots of people proclaiming he had a new position, then his goals promptly drying up as soon as many brought him in.

        As Gundogan seems another deep lier who's also had a day in the sun, I'm inclined to watch and wait again.

        That said, I'm not doing a Mark and acting refusenik about him: if he does keep it up and morphs into this year's Mahrez, I'll follow along 🙂

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Yup, a couple more GW of returns and it's no longer a bandwagon - it's the real deal. Could even get him in as the 4th even if goes up to 6mm

      13. LakhaneeFC
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Hahaha, popped my cherry with this one - feels good 🙂

      14. Ku Aing Sia Maneh
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I got both hehe

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Haha, hedging at its best 🙂

      15. Qubit
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I agree that Allen has better short term fixtures. However, my main concern with Allen is once the fixtures stiffen you're left with a 5m stoke midfielder who hasnt scored more than 4 goals in a season for the last 5 years then facing Arsenal, Sot, Lei, L'pool, Chelsea in the run up and over xmas.

        Now if he's your 5th mid, no big deal, but if he is a regular playing member of your 11 each week then shifting him out is that much harder even than a player just 0.5m more. By then you will likely have re-invested the cash elsewhere, which would potentially mean multiple transfers just to get rid.

        1. LakhaneeFC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          My view to get out of it is simple:

          1. Play him for the next 4 GWS - easy fixtures.

          2. Sell him at his high price point (if he performs in these 4) - for a neat profit.

          That way, you get back cheap 5th mid and money for the rest of the team.

          Don't think it's worth discounting him because of tough fixtures 1 month or more away.

    6. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Should i play Evans (lei) or Pieters (whu)? Playing Foster in net.

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Pieters

      2. ANDER.
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Pieters then. I doubled up last week with Pieters/Grant and left Heaton on the bench ...

    7. I Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Deeney to Austin worth a second hit? I think it is long term even if Austin doesn't make up for the -4 this week (which he very well could against Hull). Considering Valencia, Shaqiri + Deeney -> Fuchs, Gundogan + Austin. The alternative is Valencia + Shaqiri -> Fuchs + Redmond but Austin is the standout 3rd striker imo and I don't really fancy a Saints attacking double up.

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Don't think it's worth a second hit.
        Liverpool are terrible at the back.
        But you can decide after tomorrow's match.

      2. Over Midwicket
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Troy has great fixtures after this weekend

        1. I Member
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Doesn't matter if Watford can't score goals.

      3. Krionos
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        If it's for long term, then it can wait. If you think he will score a goal+ this weekend, then yes.

    8. Littlefish92
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Any changers to this team ? 0.9 in the bank

      Lloris
      Clyne holebas stones
      Sanchez coutinho bolasie Allan
      Aguero Defoe zlatan

      Subs Pickford Capoue Mcauley amat

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        What are your plans with Zlatan?
        If I were you, I would do Zlatan+Capoue->Kdb/Hazard+Austin.
        But I tend to go hit crazy sometimes 😛

        1. Littlefish92
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Well my plan was to keep zlatan but now he is not doing good might get rid and yea sounds a good plan that thanks

      2. momomaimai
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Zlatan to Costa/Lukaku.
        Capoue to Gundogan.
        Defoe to Austin.
        Bolasie to Firmino.

      3. Russell
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Ibra to kane as a differential?

        Could be a good transfer for next week if you're happy to keep Ibra vs Swansea.

    9. Over Midwicket
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Any news on Shaqiri? Will he play vs the Hammers?

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Wait for pressers.

    10. Boris Bodega
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      How much forward planing does everyone do with their FF transfers? Does defence need more planning than attack? Last year I put in a lot of work planing weeks in advance, but it actually tended to take my eye off ball of who to get now. This season, I have started poorly, but I am not really making any plans, I assess my team each week and look for any weaknesses.

      1. EmreCan Hustle
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Don't plan more than 2 or 3 weeks at a time.
        I play the fixtures first, then try and fill the gaps with in form players and a couple of punts.

      2. liiusions
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I tend to plan my defensive transfers around fixture swings. I.e. I've just done Kos->Fuchs who will become Alonso in 4 weeks time

      3. CloudSky
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I plan like 6 weeks ahead but it never really works that way.

    11. NestorC
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Who are you transfering in for Snod?

      1. Football Weekender
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Redmond. But Gündogan is now the favourite on here at that £5m - £6m range.

        1. NestorC
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Its him or Allen than, just not sure which one to get.

    12. Worzel Gummidge
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Who do SOU have available to play up front if not Austin on Thursday? If Austin plays then doubts over him playing Sunday.

        1. Ziegler1988
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          JRod

        2. momomaimai
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Redmond

        3. EmreCan Hustle
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Isn't Long fit?

          1. Worzel Gummidge
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Flagged with return of 6th Nov according to FPL. Same as JRod.

              1. EmreCan Hustle
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                🙁

          2. lahi
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Austin will start both games. They play Inter at home meaning they're not traveling. So he should be ok.

            1. Krionos
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              You wouldn't think all these players were highly paid, exceptionally fit professional athletes on here... Everyone seems to think that they can't play 90 minutes of football a couple times a week...

              1. lahi
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Yeah 😀 I personally think Austin can handle a couple of games in a week.

              2. Worzel Gummidge
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Clearly you haven't paid much attention to SOU or quotes by the manager.

          3. invertebrate
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Cards on the table, I think Gundogan is a silly bandwagon. He's a wonderful player and it's tempting to have a City mid at 5.6 for their upcoming fixtures. Unfortunately, I think his goalscoring is unsustainable almost because of those fixtures.

            Against WBA he played further forward with Fernandinho and Fernando both in the starting eleven. And against Barcelona, City pressed unbelievably high putting Gundogan in a much more advanced position against fewer defenders than the formation naturally allowed.

            In the easier games coming up, I can't imagine all three of Gundogan, Fernando and Fernandinho playing, putting Gundogan further back in the pivot. As for a high press, yes City will always do that but they are more likely to be doing it having just lost the ball following a sustained period of possession meaning that while Gundogan will sometimes gain possession high up the pitch it's likely there will be more opposition defenders behind the ball than there were against Barcelona.

            His style of play thrives on counter-attacking or from being played further forward as against WBA. I simply don't believe he'll get the opportunity to do either in his upcoming fixtures.

            Tl;dr Gundogan is probably better against better teams from a fantasy perspective (similar to Fernandinho imo). Actually, from a fantasy perspective just don't bother at all. Great player but getting rid of Sterling or Walcott for him is madness.

            1. Worzel Gummidge
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Here come the Gun owners with counter arguments 🙂 Grabs popcorn

                1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                  • 16 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Hehe. It's getting daft now

                  NO ONE KNOWS!!!!

                  Just choose one and hope your right. Not as if there is only one obvious answer. Not like " should kun be dropped" last week

                  1. invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    I kind of agree. I have no real truck with getting Gundogan if you need a player at that price point. My issue is with downgrading Antonio, Walcott, Sterling et al just because he's had a good week.

                    1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                      • 16 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Yes I agree mate. I can't understand why folk are taking hits myself more than anything. Your points are good ones but either one is capable of goals and assists..it's a coin flip

                      1. invertebrate
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Well I wasn't really doing a Gundogan/Allen comparison, more bafflement at the level of knee jerking and hopefully a logical argument against it.

                        1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                          • 16 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Yer .sorry I didn't mean to say it like you was. That was just my addition to the whole debate on here really

                          1. invertebrate
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 10 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            No worries mate. I'm inclined to think Allen's the slightly better pick of the two but it's marginal.

              • EmreCan Hustle
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Only time will tell, that's FPL. Sometimes logic doesn't quite do it.

                1. invertebrate
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Well... I'd argue that over time logic will actually win out. In the short term anomalies occur.

                  1. EmreCan Hustle
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    I don't consider either one a long term pick. Allen's returns might fizzle out and Gundo could face rotation due to CL and cup ties.

                    1. invertebrate
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      I'm inclined to agree. I have Allen in a 3-5-2 as his fixtures are good for a little while yet but I'll probably downgrade him at some point and move back onto a third striker.

                    2. Krionos
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 15 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Allen makes so much more sense after watching the game Monday. He is being asked to be the creative force in a somewhat limited Stoke team and is delivering. Gundogan plays in a team that has Aguero, KDB, Silva and Sterling as their attacking force(With some very viable alternatives on the bench) and will be played in the role he is best suited, a defensive midfielder.

                      1. invertebrate
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        This. City have a higher goals ceiling than Stoke but Allen is much more likely to be involved in the goals they do score.

              • Bun Rab
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                I swapped Snodgrass for him. Is that acceptable?

                1. Worzel Gummidge
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Computer says yes.

                  • invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Yes, more so!

                2. Russell
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  But against a team like Boro and following fixtures, they will have so much possession that he will be around the box anyway as it will be siege-like mentality - almost like Ramsey for Arsenal a few seasons back when in double Pivot.

                  1. invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Yes, that's possible but I think it'll be just that: around the box rather than in it. He may well do a good job in a game like Fanduel but if I had to pick a City goalscorer against Boro he'd be at least 5th on the list.

                3. mojoindojo
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Went Redmond over Gundogan. I have faith in Hull

                  1. invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Yeah, Hull are dreadful. I think I'm getting Van Dijk as my Valencia replacement but a bit worried having no attackers in that game.

                4. Kered
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  It's like printing money bringing him in..one more goal this week and his stocks will continue to rise.

                  1. invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    That's true and maybe the only reason to get him imo. I don't have the luxury of two free transfers and no other issues though.

                5. NestorC
                  • 9 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Well who would you get in instead of Snod, Allen or Gundo, for these couple of weeks?

                  1. invertebrate
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    As a playing fourth or fifth mid you mean?

                    1. NestorC
                      • 9 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Fourth, this is my front

                      Sanch Firm Cout Snod Fletch
                      Kun Kaku Austin(atm is Rash)

                      1. invertebrate
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Allen I think although if you're downgrading Rashford to Austin can you afford someone like Redmond instead?

                      2. invertebrate
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Scratch that, hadn't realised how much Austin has risen!

                        1. NestorC
                          • 9 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Yes I can afford Red but double up Sout?

                          1. invertebrate
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 10 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            It's a bit of a risk but Southampton will score in most games and have a good run coming up. In terms of value for money they're just about the best team out there this season.

                            1. NestorC
                              • 9 Years
                              9 years, 3 months ago

                              Thanks mate, will try it out

                              1. invertebrate
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 10 Years
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                All the best and in advance, I'm really sorry when it goes horribly wrong.

                      3. invertebrate
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Or you could always get someone like Fuchs or Alonso and play four at the back. Not trendy, I know, but if you're not that sold on mid options at that price point it could pay dividends.

              • lahi
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                A. Arnautovic -> Coutinho
                B. Antonio -> Coutinho

                B was the one I had planned but Arnie is banned and my bench is short of quality and starters (Fletcher, Collins, Amat).

                But A makes sense given Antonio gives me another decent starter and maybe look ahead to get Allen in GW12 for Antonio.

                Given that there's a chance that Collins(STO) would start in place of banned Reid, would it be better to keep Arnautovic(BOU-wat-BUR)?

                1. EmreCan Hustle
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  B. Play Collins.

                  1. lahi
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Thanks, that's the plan atm. Gotta do it today before Coutinho rises again tomorrow.

              • RAFA THE GAFFA
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                So tempted by Deeney > Austin for a -4, what you guys think? Otherwise I'm pretty happy with my team with 2mil ITB.

                Heaton
                Lovren Walker Pieters
                Sanchez Firmino Gundogan Coutinho
                Deeney Kun Lukaku

                (Jaku, Capoue, Evans, Amat)

                1. Worzel Gummidge
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    I would normally keep as Pool defence is rubbish but Watford look so toothless going forward nowadays. I did it for free. Your call.

                  • EmreCan Hustle
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Since you're playing Lovren I would be tempted.
                    But wait till after the Europa game.

                  • lahi
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Already did it before the price rise. Hit inclusive in my case as well. Best possible week to take a hit for him as they're playing Hull.

                    1. I Member
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      This. I'd rather to do it this week for -4 and have him for the Hull fixture than wait and do it for free next week.

                  • I Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    See above. I'm thinking the same.

                2. RD
                  • 15 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  What's d situation with Walcott?

                  1. Bun Rab
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    Unknown. Wait for pressers.

                  2. EmreCan Hustle
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 3 months ago

                    More likely to play than not.

                3. merin
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 3 months ago

                  Lallana -> Gundogan & Sterling -> Hazard for a hit?

                  My current team:
                  Pickford Grant
                  Walker Coleman Smith Holebas Amat
                  Sanchez Sterling Firmino Lallana Allen
                  Aguero Lukaku Deeney

                  FT: 1, ITB: 0.2

                  1. Worzel Gummidge
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      No thanks. First 1 could maybe pass my stringent validation checks but not the latter and not for a -4

                      1. merin
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        What would you do with my 1FT?

                        1. Worzel Gummidge
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Personally. Deeny to Austin

                      2. FERDINANDISWORTHTWOINTHEBUS…
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Good move I think. Hazard could really kick on when fixtures soften

                    • JackBetherz
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      This is probably gonna seem a stupid question but Why has Morgan got a such big TSB difference over Huth as I cant seem to notice too many differences? Is Morgan up for corners more than Huth or something?
                      Thanks advance

                      1. Ziegler1988
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Huth was suspended GW1 so now dead teams had Morgan

                        1. JackBetherz
                          • 11 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Ahh thanks mate

                      2. Bun Rab
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        More attacking and less likely to be booked.

                        1. JackBetherz
                          • 11 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Fair enough Morgan it is then, cheers bud

                    • TheSteel
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Is anyone captaining someone other than Kun?

                      1. The Mighty I
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Tempted to captain Austin.

                      2. EmreCan Hustle
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Firmino maybe.

                      3. Gussy
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        I have the C on Austin and VC on Hazard, might switch them

                    • Lightbody
                      • 15 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Grant owners (or non-owners, like me, contemplating bringing him in for the short term), does Butland's "latest setback" give you optimism that Grant will stay between the sticks for the next 4 GWs?

                      1. Ziegler1988
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        I don't think we'll see Butland until January

                      2. EmreCan Hustle
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        What's the setback?

                      3. Bun Rab
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Hughes said "few weeks". Not nailed for next 4GW's as far as i can see.

                    • PEPSIMAN
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Any changers to this team ? 1.7 in the bank. Thanks.

                      Heaton
                      Francis Fuchs Walker
                      KDB Coutinho Firminho Stainlas
                      Aguero Lukaku Austin

                      Subs Pickford Capoue Pieters amat

                      1. Bun Rab
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Good to go. Save.

                      2. Helia
                        • 10 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        G2g

                    • liiusions
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 3 months ago

                      Gibbs was impressive against Sunderland, he may well have the LB spot for now and could be a great option at 4.9m in a few week if he keeps his place

                      1. Worzel Gummidge
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          He wont keep his place. As soon as Monreal is fit he is gone

                        • EmreCan Hustle
                          • 13 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          His attacking potential was always good. But defensively not great. Monreal is first choice.

                        • Bubz
                          • 12 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Monreal is way better

                        • LakhaneeFC
                          • 9 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Did you not see what Cafu did to him yesterday?

                          He's good in attack, but really not that great defensively

                      2. internal error
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Allen or Gundagon?

                        1. Bun Rab
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Both. Otherwise Allen.

                        2. GoonerByron
                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Allen still for me.. Don't think Gundagon will keep up his attacking form

                          1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                            • 16 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Why?

                      3. FERDINANDISWORTHTWOINTHEBUS…
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 3 months ago

                        Hazard or Firminho? Plenty people telling me Firm is better but surely Hazard is a better player and has smashed it since the 3-4-3 move even with tough fixtures. Happy to be told I'm wrong though.

                        1. Worzel Gummidge
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            You're wrong.

                          • EmreCan Hustle
                            • 13 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            If you have a Liverpool midfielder then I would suggest get Hazard.

                          • Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                            • 16 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Well I've had to make the choice this gw. Hazard won.

                            Firminio will get points but I think with added pens and explosiveness hazard wins the race for me. Subjective argument

                        2. _Freddo
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 16 Years
                          9 years, 3 months ago

                          Gündogan, plays for a better team, has more chance of sustaining it.

                          209k transfers in for Gündogan since Sat, that's some bandwagon.

                          1. GoonerByron
                            • 14 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Definitely a failed one in waiting 🙂

                            1. _Freddo
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 16 Years
                              9 years, 3 months ago

                              Yeah off course, I mean two goals against Barcelona is not quite up to a pair of assists against Swansea.

                              I own both by the way so it's an unbiased a view as possible.

                              1. Helia
                                • 10 Years
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                Agreed

                                1. Helia
                                  • 10 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Although i prefer allen.. (was only talking about the barca performance).

                              2. Worzel Gummidge
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Agreed. I was fully expecting braces against swansea, Spurs, Southhampton and Everton as well but he didn't deliver. Since he scored 2 against Barca and WBA it is as good a reason as any to jump right on him.

                                  1. _Freddo
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • 16 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    You need to lower you expectations, not even Joe Allen could score braces against Swansea, Spurs, Southampton and Everton one after the other.

                                • Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
                                  • 16 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Hehe

                          2. royals forever
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 16 Years
                            9 years, 3 months ago

                            Due to a TV of 100.9 is this is the best front 8 I can come up with

                            Is it too weak?

                            Sanchez Bolasie Gundogan Allen Redmond

                            Aguero Costa Deeney

                            Any ideas would be welcomed

                            1. Worzel Gummidge
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                Deeney to Austin will provide more case.

                              • Kered
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 10 Years
                                9 years, 3 months ago

                                Looks good. But Deeney to Austin is a popular move, frees up a bit more funds also

                              • Worzel Gummidge
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Downgrade Bolasie to a 4.4 will give you more cash to upgrade Gun/Allen or Redmond

                                • EmreCan Hustle
                                  • 13 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Way too weak. What's your defense like?

                                • Worzel Gummidge
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Downgrade Beelerin as well. With that midfield you can't afford that luxury.

                                  • Helia
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Down grade one to de roon or another 4.3 youll never play, and see what you can upgrade the other one to. (Mids)

                                • Typo
                                  • 12 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Ive had Benteke and Deeney for the last 3 gameweeks. Did Arnautovic -> Gundogan. Is it worth taking out one of the two for a hit? Who do you reckon? Bony? Dont get the Austin hype tbh

                                  1. Helia
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Nah wait the seek unless youd be getting in a solid upgrade

                                    1. Helia
                                      • 10 Years
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      Week*

                                • Helia
                                  • 10 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Anything to change here?

                                  Pickford
                                  Fuchs koscielny stones
                                  Sanchez hazard firmino allen
                                  Aguero(c) lukaku austin

                                  Foster williams amat de roon

                                  1. EmreCan Hustle
                                    • 13 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Nope. Looks good.

                                  2. TorresMagic™
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • Has Moderation Rights
                                    • 16 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Gtg

                                  3. PEPSIMAN
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Looks solid.

                                  4. Helia
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Cheers.

                                • internal error
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 13 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  Nolito, Sane and Navas will probably all start at some point during this fixture run. Assuming Fernandinho, kdb and Silva are nailed to start, the likes of gundagon could be rotated along with the 3 wingers I mentioned

                                  1. Helia
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Gundogan isnt a winger

                                    1. internal error
                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                      • 13 Years
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      I didnt say he was. Its more to do with Silva and Kdb playing centrally to accomodate the wingers, meaning that theres less chance for Gundagon to start?

                                      1. Helia
                                        • 10 Years
                                        9 years, 3 months ago

                                        I guess.. but he has been playing with 3 at the back right? If thats the case then theres room for him aswell

                                • ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
                                  • 15 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  anyone unsure on gundogan and allen? 2 players not known for scoring goals going through a purple patch or are they the real deal?

                                  1. Helia
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    I feel safer with allen, but waiting to see what they do over these next 2

                                  2. Bubz
                                    • 12 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    I'm not very interested in either of them

                                    1. RustyBz
                                      • 11 Years
                                      9 years, 3 months ago

                                      This ^

                                  3. NestorC
                                    • 9 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    I am not sure which one is good for 4th mid instead of Snod...

                                  4. Gazj11
                                    • 11 Years
                                    9 years, 3 months ago

                                    Allen playing in the 10 role is paying dividends. Time will tell if it's a purple patch but I think he'll continue to score and assist.

                                • tets mcgee (Ha La Land)
                                  • 10 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  any1 without a chili bowl team yet who is interested drop me a line. need a reasonable team in place and the willingness to participate in whatsapp discussions. cheers joelnewman1@hotmail.com

                                • Gideons Rolling Another One
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 11 Years
                                  9 years, 3 months ago

                                  G2G ?

                                  Foster
                                  Kos / Stones / Pieters
                                  Sanchez / Sterling / Allen / Firmino
                                  Aguero / Costa / Lukaku

                                  Or thoughts on the transfers below (which would be a -4?)

                                  Sterling + Kos to Hazard + 5m Defender (Morgan or Cedric if fit)

                                  Sterling has a good fixture over the next three, and I'm hesitate to transfer him out, but I think Hazard has the potential to match if not do more over the next three and if he does I maybe priced out of the moves.

                                  Similarly nervous about dropping Kos, but with Bell possible out with the defence be affected and maybe a good time to move on.

                                  Any thoughts much appreciated.