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3 January 2017 5318 comments
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Tuesday night treats us to three more matches as the festive schedule finally starts to wind up.

Bournemouth and Arsenal go head-to-head at the Vitality Stadium in the 7.45pm kick-off, with Olivier Giroud looking to score for the third successive match – the Frenchman opened 2017 in style, thanks to his scorpion kick effort at home to Palace. He starts for the third successive outing this evening.

Second in our Gameweek 20 Captain Poll, Alexis Sanchez is looking for a fifth double-figure haul on his travels, yet faces a resilient Cherries rearguard that’s served up four clean sheets in front of their own supporters. Sanchez remains on the flank as a result of Giroud’s start but has fired in 17 attempts from that position in the last two Gameweeks – more than any other player.

Christian Benteke and Wilfried Zaha will look to take advantage of Swansea City’s dire defence in an 8pm kick-off at Selhurst Park.

The Belgian has the chance to play his way into consideration as the schedule turns in Palace’s favour, though Zaha owners will be searching for a way out after tonight’s fixture as he’s set to depart for the Africa Cup of Nations.

Finally, Stoke City entertain Watford in the other later match as Joe Allen and Etienne Capoue go head-to-head in the battle of the budget midfielders.

With the likes of Matt Phillips and Robert Snodgrass stepping up in form over Christmas, owners of both Allen (one goal since Gameweek 8) and Capoue (a single strike since Gameweek 5), will surely be considering their options over the FA Cup weekend break.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    I've only just realised fpldiscovery only counts 20k players in the overall. Surely makes it completely useless other than the top 10k one?

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Wtf. Really?

      1. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        yeah, that's what it says

    2. Uncle Gamst
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Probably a statistically valid sample

      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        I wouldn't say so. An actual overall would be completely different to a top 20k sample. Vastly different landscape.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          It's not a top 20K, it's a random sample.

          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Ahhhh ok, slightly better then. Though still quite small.

          2. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            yeah, I still don't see how it can be anywhere near valid.
            *Disclaimer, I am a maths moron

            1. Differentiator
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              E.g. say scores are 10, 25, 30, 60, 24 and 35

              The TRUE average is ~31.
              Using the first two samples we get an average of 17.5, first 3 we get 21.7, first 4 we get 31.25, first 5 we get 29.8

              Adding more and more numbers are unlikely to change the sample mean much and it'll tend towards the true mean with increasingly small increments. 20k is more than enough

              1. Differentiator
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 23 days ago

                Woops ignore those post !! Missed the maths moron part

                1. Get up ya bum
                  • 16 Years
                  9 years, 23 days ago

                  😆
                  By maths moron I mean I'm uneducated when it comes to Maths and my brain struggles a bit when it comes to numbers. Maths theory I can usually get when explained to me and actually find it very interesting.

              2. Get up ya bum
                • 16 Years
                9 years, 23 days ago

                Ah ok I'm with ya, very interesting. Cheers for explaining.

        2. Differentiator
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          No-one said it was a top 20k sample

        3. Uncle Gamst
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          I stand corrected if it's the top 20K?

          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Apologies, I just assumed top 20k.

            1. Uncle Gamst
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              Looks like we all know more about stats than FF 😉

              1. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
                9 years, 23 days ago

                😀

        4. _Ninja_
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          Its a random 20k not top 20k

      2. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        No way is 20k out of 4+ million statistically valid.
        I'll ask smarty pants when I see him

        1. Differentiator
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          You'd be surprised how accurate that 'small' a sample set is

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            I would indeed, I am.

        2. Crow
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          It's pretty accurate in fact..

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            I refer you to my above maths moronics.
            I don't get how it can be.

          2. Uncle Gamst
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            In one of my previous jobs the numbers the statisticians asked us to sample were remarkably small but you know wt they say about stats 😉

            1. Get up ya bum
              • 16 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              Lies, damn lies and statistics 😉

        3. Smarty Pants
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          I used to add 99% confidence intervals in the past to show the significance of those numbers for random sample, but they were hardly ever outside of 1% from the sample estimates and 99% of people had no idea what the hell that was, so I scrapped them. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval

          Here is an arbitrary post from 2014, if you point your mouse at some of the random sample numbers a 99% confidence interval will show up:
          https://fpldiscovery.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/gw-23-transfers-and-team-selection/

          If this all sounds complicated and makes your head explode, there are some emprical ways to estimate the accuracy of those numbers, e.g.:
          - check whether predicted average differs from what shows up on the FPL site later,
          - compare ownership numbers to those on the FPL website (better do this at gameweek start as some numbers might have significantly changed by now because of new transfers/new teams created), or
          - compare captaincy stats to those posted occasionally by the Official FPL twitter.

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Average will still be 38.
      FFF has the same numbers including players played.

      1. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        So do they only count 20k teams?
        How about fff?

        1. Uncle Gamst
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          FFF?

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            fantasyfootballfix

            1. Uncle Gamst
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              Of course

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          Yeah, works out to be 20K scaled down from 4m.
          FFF must use all teams as it's random.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Interesting

            1. Gloria Kanchelskis
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              It's a long time since I studied statistics but my instinct is that the 20k sample is large enough to be statistically significant

  2. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    Bench one:

    A)Phillips(tot)

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      B) Holebas(MID)
      C) pieters(sun)

      1. Rider on the Storm
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        B

    2. GloryBXI
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      B

    3. Captain Vantastic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      a

  3. pompolipoika
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    Stanislas got 21 points last time out against Hull. It's Bournemouth's next fixture. Will he play?

    1. Crystal Ball
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      definitely

    2. white lightning
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I remember that gw. I owned Snodgrass & was going to sell to Stanislas for a -4 hit but didn't. The only bonus was the next game Stanislas got injured & was out for a while after so it saved me a ft haha.

  4. Rider on the Storm
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    Did siggy have a good match 2nite?
    I consider keeping him against arsenal

    1. Jimmers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      His fixtures are pretty awful

      1. Rider on the Storm
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Imagine ars take 3 goals again...

    2. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Best player on the pitch for me, although that's not saying much...

  5. We Will Klopp you
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    A) Alli and Stanislas in for Eriksen and Morrison -8
    B) Keep Eriksen and Fraiser -4 in for Morrison

    1. pompolipoika
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Stanislas got 21 points against Hull...

      1. We Will Klopp you
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Hmm wth, those who dare win

  6. _Ninja_
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    Bdst move from these? cheers
    Origi ->
    A. Defoe
    B. Giroud

    Any of these worth a hit?
    Holebas or Evans -> Brunt or Daniels
    Amat -> Ake

    Heaton
    Baines / Jones / Holebas
    Sanchez / Hazard / Eriksen / Phillips
    Ibra / Costa / Origi

    Pickford / Allen / Evans / Amat

    1. Crystal Ball
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      very difficult mate none of us know. It's a real punt effectively on whether Giroud will now keep his starting place based on his good performances recently

  7. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 23 days ago

    Can't believe many of you fools didn't double up on Stoke defenders like I did.

    Nothing to do with me forgetting I already had a Stoke defender when I brought in Grant...

    1. Krul Runnings
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      😉

    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      😀

  8. Still Unsure
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Tekkers to:

      a) Defoe
      b) Giroud
      c) A. N. Other

      Cheers!

    • Moose™
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Lads, need some ideas on how to improve my team? Any transfer hits-worthy? Just did Cedric to Ake. Really pissed off with him.

      Foster Pickford

      Alonso McAuley Ake Pieters Amat

      Sanchez Hazard Lallana Phillips DeRoon

      Kun Ibra Origi

      0 FT & 0.8ITB

    • Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Who starts with Francis suspended?

      1. John t penguin
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Smith

        1. Professor Abel X
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          Adam or Bradley?

          1. John t penguin
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Adam, the dear one

            1. Hooky
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 23 days ago

              He is a love

    • Magic Bean
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I bought Holebas at 4.5, does him dropping tonight from 4.7 effect me?

      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Yes

      2. Burger
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Yes

      3. trinzoo
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        but he is dropping from 4.8 to 4.7 so you are safe !!!

      4. Jimmers
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        He's currently 4.8 so you're fine

      5. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        no

    • GuillermoDickero
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Would you WC this team? I think I can sort it out with a few hits + there's a 2 week break so some players could come back fit

      Valdes, Pickford
      Evans, Cedric, Alonso, Pieters, Francis
      Hazard, Sanchez, Eriksen, Lallana, Fletcher
      Ibra, Costa, Anichebe

      1. Dedalus1
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        No. Maybe All Out Attack for short term?

    • Simon Says...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Would love some advice, cheers. Replacements for Origi & Zaha (15.1 to play with)? Remaining 6 of front 8: Sanchez, Hazard, Phillips, Capoue, Ibra, Kane.

      A) Giroud & Stanislas / Snodgrass (latter has rank fixtures)
      B) Wilson & Sterling
      C) Wilson & any Liv midfielder
      D) Benteke & 7.5
      E) Another.

      Thoughts?

    • Kaneyonero
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Pieters 1Bap .

    • Cluckfuster
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I got Zaha for £5.4, is he worth holding onto whilst ACoN is on?
      Will his price drop by that much?

      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Even if he rose 0.5m over the AFCON he wouldn't be worth keeping. Need playing players.

      2. Simon Says...
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Sell, too long to hold a playing spot.

      3. A.T
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Yes it'll drop loads.

      4. Bored Bear
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        i'd sell for a bournemouth mid for 3 games and take stock after that

    • MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Enough cash to do
      Origi>>Giroud

      Zaha>>7.7mil mid

      1. MoeZe3bi
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Already got sanchez and no palace players.

    • Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      bloody pickford

      1. Rider on the Storm
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        I used my ft to transfer him out for valdes...

    • Rider on the Storm
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Does someone consider crouch for 3rd striker ?

      1. Pirlø's Pen
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Not me

    • Judas
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Sorry to show off. But this week I brought in Giroud and Phillips!

      After 6 red arrows in a row!

      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Nice!

      2. La Roja
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Well done

      3. 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Nice one! Did you watch the game live tonight?

        1. Judas
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          yeah. insane

          1. 1
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Awesome, moves like that feel very good, enjoy.

    • Rainer
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Diouf obviously had Holebas in his team the last few GWs... Close lined him with intent!

    • John t penguin
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      How come holebas didn't get yellow tonight?

      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Wants to get one in the FA Cup game to really piss everyone off.

      2. Uncle Gamst
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        lol

    • Kane Train
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Heaton
      Luiz / Brunt / Koscielny
      Sanchez / Lallana / Hazard / Phillips
      Ibra / Anichebe / Kane

      Bench: Jaku, Amat, Love, Barry

      Options:

      A) Lallana > Stanislas & Anichebe > Giroud
      B) Lallana > Stanislas & Anichebe > Defoe
      C) Barry > Stanislas
      D) Love > Ake
      E) something else

      1. Kane Train
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        cheers guys :-p-

    • ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Well good gains this week, up 100k roughly per fff live. BUT I don't have Eriksen, Kane, Alli, any Spurs defenders, Costa or Hazard, my only player left is possibly Alonso who's a doubt.

      Aaarrgh

      1. Differentiator
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Entirely meaningless post then 😉

        1. ViperStripes
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          It was a rough with the smooth

          So of all teh meaningless posts on this page, the last page and probably the next page why pick mine?

          1. Differentiator
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 23 days ago

            Your post was more interesting than some of the others 🙂

      2. Burger
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Bye bye green arrow 🙁

        I'm currently red but with Alli, Costa, Alonso, Hazard, Kane

        Bye bye red arrow 😎

        1. ViperStripes
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          Exactly.....

      3. Uncle Gamst
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Alonso fit to play!

    • white lightning
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I'm going Allen out & Stanislas in for free. Got Allen in on my wc & he plays too deep & Adam now seems the one doing well. Or should I get Adam instead:
      (a) Allen out - Stanislas in or
      (b) Allen out - Adam in

      Thoughts & thanks.

    • La Roja
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Is this too knee jerky or worth -4?

      Lallana Rondon ➡ Gru Phillips

      1. Hurricane Gilbert
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Yes wouldn't loose those two players. Do you rate Grus chances of starting the next couple of fixs?

        1. La Roja
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 23 days ago

          Yes

    • Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      From Nacho to Origi to Giroud. Stairway to hell?

      1. Bored Ape Jota Club
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Lol. Exactly why I am not gonna get him in.

    • MidTableFantasy
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      6,100 people transferred in Zaha for next GW. Yikes.

    • The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I think I'm set, this is my WC:

      Grant
      Cahill Ake Baines
      Lallana Alli Phillips Sanchez
      Ibra Costa Giroud

      (Heaton de Roon Brunt Taylor)

    • Kaneyonero
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      Stanislas hattrick incoming

      1. It’s gonna Ben Mee
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        It was pretty nice last time he played Hull, wasn't it?

    • TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 23 days ago

      I need a Mane replacement before the drop. Who should i get? Rest is

      Eriksen Mkhi Philips Snoddy
      Costa Zlatan Benteke

      1. GreennRed
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 23 days ago

        Ali