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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. @ocprodigy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Hot topic Scouts Pick Challnge please mods 🙂
    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/comment/17270827

  2. Max City
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Bottomed:

    play 2 of these guys, please help:

    1. DCL (CHE)
    2. Kenny (CHE)
    3. Young (lei)
    4. Mee (TOT)

    Cheers

    1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      1 3

    2. Sahil Yadav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      1,3
      4 first sub

    3. ScottyMaz12
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Agree with 1 & 3

  3. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Fab
    Ota christy dunk
    Haz Salah (vc) couts Richo rlc
    Kane(c) dcl
    Subs: Elliot Morata Kiko
    Gtg??
    0ft left 0itb
    No city cover in attack. Wont be disastrous right??

    1. supersham
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Morata - Firmino

      Couts - Kdb

      1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Used my 2 transfers. U are saying for -8??

        1. supersham
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Ah, well then no.. gtg

          1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 1 month ago

            Thanks. Hope sterling doesn't score more than 8and couts match him or get near him this week

  4. supersham
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    What time is city presser?

  5. TOBY1
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Play...

    A) DCL Vs Chelsea

    Or

    B) Maguire Vs Man U

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      b

  6. Bennison
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Sterling vs Kane for captain?

    1. Scheister
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I've gone Sterling

    2. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Kane

    3. supersham
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Kane, because you never know with pep how many mins if any Sterling will get

    4. Dr. DOOM
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling

  7. Scheister
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    1 FT, any suggestions? Cheers...

    Pope (Elliot)
    Alonso Jones Dunk Mariappa (Ward)
    Hazard Salah Sterling(C) Richarlison (RLC)
    Kane Firmino (Crouch)

    1. ScottyMaz12
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Mariappa > Ogbonna/Masuaki if got funds, save FT if not

  8. Dr. DOOM
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Which is the best option out of these?

    A. Play DCL
    B. Play Naughton
    C. Get Masuaku for Naughton and bench DCL

  9. F4L
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    God bless that fax machine

  10. FirminoIsBetterThanYou
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Gomes
    Azpi Otamendi Masukau
    Hazard Coutinho Salah Sterling(C) RLC
    Kane DLC
    Elliot Mee Niasse Duffy
    G2G?
    Correct captain?

  11. Dr. DOOM
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone here not selling Morata?

    1. F4L
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      \o Didn't have him in the first place

    2. Salarrivederci
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      If you stll got him I think you should hold on to him. I did Morata -> Firmino in GW17

    3. fr3d
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I will decide after a couple of drinks this evening.

    4. The Overthinker
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      o/

      Keeping him. Will have to start one of Gomez or mee

    5. MTPockets
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Yep

      • Sahil Yadav
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I think you should not sell him.

        Although I sold him for -4 since I couldn't field 11 players and didn't have any City player

      • Spencer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I'm keeping. Already taken a -4

      • Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Yep.

        Playing RLC against Swansea....Oddly I was thinking I really should play him for that fixture anyway....either that or bring in Zaha, but poor fixtures afterwards...

        Quite happy to bench Morata ready for BHA and STK in exchange for RLC against swa....

      • Dybala10
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Holding so I see how we gets on in the next two. If he flops then I downgrade to Quaner so I can get De Bruyne.

        1. Max City
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Why Quaner?

    6. The Overthinker
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      No Phil Jones is one of the reason for ddg saves !

    7. Manumana
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Play

      A. Rlc
      Or
      B. Dcl

      Thx

      1. The Overthinker
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        A

        1. Shack
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          I reckon DCL, any help below? Cheers

      2. Sahil Yadav
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        A

    8. Jaok
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Feels really bad not to have city cover in front/mid

      Elliot courtois
      Ota monreal mee kiko* kenny
      Salah couthino haz richarlison rlc
      Morata kane niasse

      2ft 0.3itb

      A: kiko -> 4.5 save ft
      B: morata + rlc -> sterling + grey/austin
      C: couthino -> sterling
      D: other

      1. Cornholi0
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Kiko to Masuaku

    9. Spencer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Two questions please.

      1. Who to play in nets? Elliot or Pickford?

      2. In the Sky Game, who to captain tonight? Salah or Sanchez?

      1. The Overthinker
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Pickford . Home keeper. Plus he'll get you save points

        I don't play sky game, but of of those two, I will captain Salah

      2. Numb
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        1. Pickford
        2. Salah

      3. fr3d
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Pickford and salah for me

        1. Spencer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Brilliant. Thanks guys!

      4. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Not going to matter imo as both are likely to concede:
        Newcastle 3.75 27%
        Everton 5.0 20%

    10. Shack
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      One to play and bench order:

      A: Okazaki (MUN)
      ---------------------
      B: RLC (swa)
      C: Mee (TOT)
      D: Kabasele (bha)

      Cheers!!!

      1. The Overthinker
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        D
        ---
        B
        Ç
        A

      2. Annie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        play b, a,c,d

      3. Manumana
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Difficult one

        Play B

        BAC. But phew i dont kbow mate

      4. Max City
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Play B or D

    11. Athletic Nasherbo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      How’s the team looking and is my bench correct?

      Speroni
      Otamendi Christensen Ogbonna
      Hazard Salah Coutinho Sterling Richarlison
      Kane Abraham

      Hennessey Dunk Dcl Kiko

    12. enrico.palazzo
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      When is City Presser?

      1. MTPockets
          8 years, 1 month ago

          now

        • Numb
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Just now

        • Spencer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          13.30

        • enrico.palazzo
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Ta

        • Old Wulfrunian
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          now

      2. Roy1905
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I think Ozil could be a massive differential in the coming weeks. A player who we all know isn’t happy at Arsenal, and with the rumours emerging Sanchez wants out of there, I think Ozil might want to follow suit. Could be in for some big performances from him as he tries to grab the attention of some of the European giants. Just a thought.

        1. TheAdder
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Not at that price with the rest of the mids around

          1. FPL Mentor
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 1 month ago

            Jinx

        2. FPL Mentor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Too many consistant mids about at a cheaper price and doing more damage.

          1. Roy1905
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 1 month ago

            I think for people looking to bring in Cou’ could possibly look to Ozil as a different source of points, certainly with Klopp’s risk of rotation.

      3. ScottyMaz12
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Thoughts on the below folks?

        a) Mee to Ogbonna/Masuaki
        b) Gross to Pogba
        c) Both for -4
        d) Neither & Save FT

        DDG (Krul)
        Christensen, Otamendi, Dunk (Mee, Long)
        Hazard, Salah, Sterling, Gross, RLC
        Kane, Firmino (DCL)

        1. FPL Mentor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          B

        2. Baz
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          B

      4. Expected Toulouse
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Pope (Elliot)
        Otamendi Christensen Fernandez (Mee Kenny)
        Hazard Salah Coutinho Sterling (Ramsay)
        Kane Dcl Quaner
        0 Ft, 1.3m itb. Anything worth a hit?
        A. Ramsay to Pogba (-4)
        B. Pope to Ddg (-4)
        C. Mee to Jones (-4)

      5. Fpl Richie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        If Silva was confirmed out for a few weeks - would anyone here punt on Gundogan for a few weeks?

        Have the exact cash to go RLC to Gundo if so.

        1. FPL Mentor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Maybe. Altho playing midweek is offputting considering he just returned to action. Might not start at weekend?

      6. Baz
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Arsenal v Liverpool score prediction?

        Looking at previous scores, Firmino has only managed more than 2 points when Liverpool have scored 3 or more goals

        1. Expected Toulouse
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          2-3 to Pool.

        2. Old Wulfrunian
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          2-1 for me

      7. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Guys which one do you prefer:

        A) Austin Richarlison Pope
        B) Gray RLC DDG

        1. Baz
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          a

          1. JÆKS ⭐
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 1 month ago

            Cheers!

        2. Old Wulfrunian
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          a

      8. zizoo10
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        best 5.5 fwd (not dcl)

        1. Expected Toulouse
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Depoitre

        2. Baz
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          depoitre

      9. klavan
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        DDG, Elliott
        Jones, Ota, Christensen, Mee, Kiko
        Hazard, Salah, Sterling, Rich, RLC
        Kane, Firmino, Niasse

        2FT, 1m itb
        A) Kiko to Ogbonna, Save 1FT
        B) Firmino, RLC to Pogba, Austin
        C) Kane, Niasse to Aguero, Austin
        D)Kane, RLC to KDB, Austin

        1. Toblerone52 - Zlatan Ibra-H…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          A because Austin won't be a good long term option

      10. Erez Avni
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        foster (elliot)
        christensen masuaku mee kolasinac (ake)
        salah richa sterling hazard (carroll)
        kane firmino (dcl)

        a. kolasinac < otamendi
        b. kane + carroll < de bruyne + austin

        cheers!

      11. FPL_Hazards
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Guardiola: “Vincent Kompany is much better. I think in the next days, he will be ready. I don’t know if he will be ready for tomorrow. We will have to see”.

        1. FPL_Hazards
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          John Stones "is coming back soon" but Phil Foden's injury is "not good

        2. Spencer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Every week he has "to see"!

      12. TOBY1
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Listening to the podcast and they're talking about KDB - and rest. He went to Dubai last week for a break for a few days...

        1. Salarrivederci
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          That's why he looked so tanned.

          KDB is doing such a crazy amount of running, and he could potentially get a 1 match break at some point (like any other City player). But as long as the other regular mids remain out or gets injured (Silva, Fernandinho) he will play 80+ minutes pr. match. The guy is freakin great - I just don't want to ruin my team trying to fit him in just yet (Haz -> KDB -4 stinks if you ask me)

      13. Pieterke30
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Only 1 goal in 3 games vs BOU for Aguero

        1. Baz
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          so you're telling me he's due?