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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. palace ash
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Current team:

    Pope (TOT)
    Jones (lei), Monreal (LIV), Mariappa (bha), Mee (TOT)
    Hazard (eve), Salah (ars), Sterling (BOU), Zaha (swa), RLC (swa)
    Kane (bur)

    Elliot (whu), DCL (CHE), Kenny (CHE), Morata (eve)

    0FT, 1.1 ITB

    A) GTG
    B) Morata to Aguero -4 (Play instead of Mee)
    C) Morata to Lukaku
    D) Other

  2. Hardly Athletic
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Thinking long term, A or B?

    a. Silva > Sterling
    b. Silva > Coutinho

    1. palace ash
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

    2. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

    3. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Long term B

    4. TOBY1
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A.

      Coutinho could go in Jan...

    5. Rik Waller
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A, all the way

    6. Geordienufc1
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

  3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    G2G for GW19? Bench order, captains etc...

    DDG
    Christensen, Dunk, Mee
    Sterling(vc), Haz, Salah, Richarlison, Zaha
    Kane(c), Firmino
    (Elliott, DCL, Kenny, Daniels)

  4. Not again Shirley
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    No Manchester City cover!

    For -4 would you:

    IN - KDB and Sane
    OUT: Hazard and Martial

    Good moves for Christmas period or not?

    Thanks very much.

    1. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Hmmm, yes...

      1. Not again Shirley
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Sane could also read Sterling but I really don't rate Sterling. Think Sane a lot better technically but as people have said, Sterling does appear to have the good habit of popping up in the right place at the right time.

  5. Siggy Azalea
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    My team needs help....

    Pope (Elliot)
    Morgan - Francis - Christensen (Duffy - Mee)
    Salah - Sterling - Hazard - Richarlison (Miliojevic)
    Morata - Kane - Calvert-lewin

    0.3 ITB...worth a -4 hit for...
    a) Morata + Calvert Lewin > Firmino and Austin
    b) Morata + Calvert Lewin > Aguero and Crouch
    c) Morata and Miliojevic > Firmino / Austin and Willian
    d) Morata and Morgan/Francis > Firmino / Austin - Otamendi / Trippier
    e) Any other options?

    1. Not again Shirley
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      TBH I would be inclined to leave Morata as will be refreshed for the 2 easy home games following this GW.

      Just my opinion though!

  6. ooooo
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Which one would you do next week?
    DDG
    Christ Ota Ward
    Haz Salah Sterling Rich RLC
    Kane Firmino

    (A) Rich to Pogba
    (B) RLC to Lingard..

    1. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

  7. GE
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Would you captain Kane or Sterling? 🙂

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling

    2. MGD
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      My dilemma too. Brave men captain Sterling i think

      1. Athletic Nasherbo
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Brave men captain Kane right now.

        1. Rik Waller
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          You could call it brave...

        2. GE
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Agree, but I'm not brave 😉

    3. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling

  8. Carcaju
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Play DCL, Depoitre or Andre Gray (also have Richarlison...)?

    1. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      DCL

  9. MGD
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    A) Swap Pope out for a 5.2 (-4)
    B) Leave it and start Elliot

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      b

    2. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      B

    3. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Start pope a lot of save points

  10. circusmonkey
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    The burning question: Should I do Kane to Aguero? Would be saving my transfer otherwise.

    1. Pieterke30
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Save

    2. fr3d
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      No, Burnley has a lot of injuries at the back

  11. Athletic Nasherbo
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Have I got the bench right?

    Speroni
    Otamendi Christensen Ogbonna
    Hazard Salah Coutinho Sterling Richarlison
    Kane Abraham

    Hennessey Dunk Dcl Kiko

    Appreciate responses

    1. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Thats close..may be tempted to swap DCL and Dunk

  12. GENERATION X
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    So City 4-2-3-1 with Ferd and Gun as the holding two and KDB in the 10?

    Or 4-1-4-1 with Gun pretty much in the Silva role?

    1. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      4-3-3

      Ederson
      Walker Ota Mangala Delph
      KDB Fernandinho Gündogan
      Sterling Kun Sane

    2. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      4141 with KDB in the Silva role and Gun in the KDB role

      1. GENERATION X
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers - I'm warming to the Gun as a punt. Fresh as a daisy when it comes to rotation too...

  13. HD7
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Hi Managers,

    Some questions for you 🙂

    Kane Hazard Stering or Salah as C for this GW?

    Currently on Sterling*

    Bench one for this week:
    A) Crouch vs WBA (h)
    B) DCL vs Chelsea (h)
    C) RLC vs Swansea (a)

    Which combo scores more in the festive period?

    1)Morata Richarlison RLC
    2)DCL Pogba Coutinho (-8)

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling captain for me - my only City attacker against Bournemouth, seems like the best option

      Bench Crouch

      1, but only marginally

    2. Siggy Azalea
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Got the same captain dilema...also currently on sterling
      Bench A
      and 2 should just about score more

  14. Darth_Newdar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Lots of changes I want to make, but am I best off saving my 1 FT for next week in case of suspensions etc.?

    Speroni
    Azpi, Otamendi, Dunk
    Hazard, Salah, Coutinho, Sterling, Loftus-Cheek
    Kane, Austin

    Hennessey, Mee, Simpson, Niasse

  15. Venom Snake
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this conundrum please seeing as burnley have poor fixtures now

    Play Kenny/Mee and save a FT, or sell Mee for Ogbonna?

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I think I'd save the FT for now

  16. Scheister
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Good to go? Cheers...
    Pope (Elliot)
    Alonso Jones Ogbonna (Mariappa) (Ward)
    Hazard Salah Sterling(C) Richarlison RLC
    Kane Firmino (Crouch)

  17. Bury94
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Can anyone recommend any decent defenders for 4.8 or less apart from WHU and Kenny?

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Mee, though fixtures are horrid for next few weeks.

    2. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Dunk/Duffy are decent

    3. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Long

    4. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Chilwell, Simpson, Holgate and... Oh wait you said decent. Sorry...

  18. enrico.palazzo
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Any hits required?

    Fab (Elliot)

    Alonso - Simpson - Mee
    Salah - sterling - richarlison - hazard - rLC
    Kane (c) - firm

    DCL - Moreno * - kiko *

    0.8.

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I might be inclined to lose Moreno for a West Ham defender for a hit. It will pay off in DGW alone and Moreno will be out for a while. Can see Burnley conceding.

      1. enrico.palazzo
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Yep, think this has to be the case.

        Thanks for your reply

  19. #Swish41
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Right guys, one time request for help this week!

    DDG
    Mee Otamendi Dunk (Mariappa Daniels)
    Salah Sterling(c) Hazard Richarlison RLC
    Kane Firminho (DCL)

    1. Hazard > KDB (really want to do this but feels wrong)
    2. Daniels > Christiansen (probably the sensible move)
    3.Mariappa / Daniels > Ogbonna

    What do you reckon?!

    Cheers in advance!!

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Lose Daniels, I have a feeling with Morata back next two games Hazard will do very well. May do well this week, has been unlucky not to pick up multiple assists recently.

      1. #Swish41
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks Eddie, this is where I am at. Hazard is equally as likely to score well as KDB over the next 3-4...Looks like Christeansen is coming in!

    2. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I've considered the Hazard > KDB switch as well, I agree it is tempting. The only reason I haven't done it at the moment is to hold my FT for next week in case of suspensions.

      Christensen in looks great

      1. #Swish41
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks Darth, I think I am with you. KDB / Hazard is a coin toss. Christensen could be a season keeper

  20. Infamy, Infamy
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    KDB and RLC or Sane and Richarlison?

    1. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      SR

  21. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Aguero(c)
    Who’s with me?

    1. james 101
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.

      Friedrich Nietzsche.

      1. james 101
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        That said, he COULD explode...

      2. lugs
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        " don't believe everything you read on the internet"

        Abraham Lincoln

        1. james 101
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          A man before his time

    2. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      o/

    3. adidasOriginals
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I'm with you pal

  22. Melania
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    (A) David Silva ➡ Sterling
    (B) Niasse ➡ DCL
    (C) Both for -4. (DCL would be 1st sub)

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      save DCL for next week

    2. My name is an echo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      why would you take a -4 for someone you are going to bench?

      1. Melania
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Still pretty likely to play

    3. KUNingas
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

    4. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A

  23. adidasOriginals
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Who think Sergio will play against Bmuff?

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      o/

    2. Arteta
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I do

    3. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      o/

    4. RoryzonderR
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I do too

  24. Hedge
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Who scores more this week only:

    a) DCL (CHE) and Mahrez (MUN)
    b) Aguero (BOU) and Arnautovic (NEW) (-8)

    1. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      B

    2. RoryzonderR
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      b

  25. Visionaries
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Really struggling on this!

    Salah, Hazard, Sterling, Richar, (Tarroll*)
    DCL, Morata*, Kane*

    A Kane & Tarroll > Sane & Firmino (bench Morata)
    B Kane & Tarroll > Austin & KDB
    C Morata/Kane > Jesus/Luk/Kun
    D Morata, Kane & Tarroll > Lukaku, Firmino & Pogba -8

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      B of those. I'd probably just bench Morata and Tarroll though. Presume you can't afford Morata to Aguero?

      1. Visionaries
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Can actually afford it, as long as he's going to play, worried Jesus might start

  26. Erez Avni
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    play clavan or mee?
    got kane...

  27. StayoutheSpiceZone
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Afternoon guys

    1st to four votes wins

    Currently

    Elliot
    Dunk Dann Mee
    Sterling (c) salah Hazard RLC coutinho
    Kane laca

    Bench : Gomes TAA kenny crouch

    A) GTG
    B) Mee and Laca out for Kun (c) and Ogbonna-4

    Thanks

  28. Lizardprime
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Play RLC or DCL?

  29. the axolotl
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    some cleansheet odds
    16/5 Arsenal 7/2 Liverpool
    19/5 Everton 23/20 Chelsea
    7/4 Brighton 2/1 Watford
    3/4 Man City 16/1 Bournemouth
    EVS Southampton 15/4 Huddersfield
    6/4 Stoke 9/4 West Brom
    21/10 Swansea 6/4 Crystal Palace
    6/4 West Ham 13/5 Newcastle
    4/1 Burnley 17/20 Tottenham
    7/2 Leicester 11/8 Man Utd

  30. kysersosa
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Tough two weeks fir me with Moreno, Morata and now Silva being unavailable. My team for -8:

    Fabs
    Masasuka*, Mariappa, Zanka, Maquire
    Mahrez, Hazard, (S)terling, KDB**,Salah
    DLC

    Subs: Niasse, Morata, Moreno
    * In for Azp, ** in for Silva.
    1.9itb
    Planning for the next 6 weeks.

    Thoughts