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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. Rik Waller
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    No one talking about Salah captain again? I reckon he could do well tonight. Fancy him over Kane, for sure

    1. james 101
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      But do you fancy him over sterling / kdb?

    2. palace ash
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Don't like Friday night captains.

      1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        This

    3. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling for me, Salah my vc

    4. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Arsenal are not that weak. Niles is not as weak as u assume

    5. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I’m tempted on Coutinho too.

      Unfortunately I’m a Liverpool fan so I can’t take he heartbreak of a potential loss and a blank in the same game, so I’ve not captained a Liverpool player since Suarez

    6. XabiAlonso
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      He's my vc again I'll probably never learn

    7. Yellin' in my Ear
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      He's my captain until the new year

  2. Niemi
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Start Holgate or Niasse?

    1. palace ash
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Holgate

    2. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Both are 50/50

    3. james 101
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Who to lose first or?

      1. james 101
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I don't see niasse getting much time. Sadly. He looked great a few weeks back.

    4. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Niasse has to go, and I’d be worried about Holgates clean sheets prospects.

      Both on for 1 point methinks

    5. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Holgate

  3. Squashed
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    For -8 would you
    Sell morata and laca for lukaku and dcl?

    However Next week fixtures look great for laca and morata...

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Def not.

    2. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Nope.

      Also that’s a big chunk of change disparity, 20 million out for 17 million? Who else are you bringing in?

      1. Squashed
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Next week will swap a mid for Son

        1. Squashed
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          For good measure team is

          Pope
          Mee jones Ogbonna Kenny
          Sterling Salah MacArthur mane hazard
          Laca

          Bench decimated :
          Elliot Niasse ward morata

    3. hurrrrr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Think Laca could score big tonight.

      Liverpool - Arsenal is always highscoring, Giroud is injured so he’s finally gonna get 90 mins and he does well at Home.

      1. Squashed
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        That’s true but the bench...

  4. palace ash
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Morata to...
    A) Aguero
    B) Lukaku

    1. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A direct swap? Lukaku

    2. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      For free Kun, but I'd want him back next week. Kun is a liability.

  5. asquishypotato
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    I have no city cover right now and can’t afford any of the mids.

    I can however get Aguero in for Lacazette? I would then captain him

    Does leave my bench a bit thin as I have Kiko Morata and Tom Caroll unlikely to play

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I'd do it

    2. palace ash
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Morata to Kun?

      1. Eddie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I really would not lose Morata

      2. asquishypotato
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Want to keep him, we talk about the forwards being poor at a time Morata was out, with their fixtures I think he will come good so happy to keep

    3. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      As would I.

  6. Eddie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Some help please. I have Sterling and will likely captain him. However I would like another city player and think it is worth a hit. Which looks more appealing?

    A. Sane, DCL, -4
    B. RLC, Aguero(c) -8
    C. RLC, DCL

    1. Lizardprime
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A for me

    2. asquishypotato
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A for me

    3. Lemongrab
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      A all the way.

  7. thisbb
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Can't decide between starting Mahrez, Maguire, or Kolasinac. Thoughts?

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Mahrez

      1. Winners900
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Mahrez

    2. Lukakwho
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Mahrez

  8. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Guys any specific reasons why the roles seems reversed for KDB and Sane ?

    Normally KDB is the assister and Sane goalscorer. But its opposite all of a sudden

    KDB- 5 goals 2 assists in last 8 pl starts

    Sane- 2 goals 5 assists in last 8 pl starts

    1. My name is an echo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      KDB has been playing further forward esp with Silva out

    2. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Any one of City's attack could score or assist. That said, KDB seems to have been given / allowed himself a little more freedom recently and has been popping up all over the place, including in the box. Sane has been more consistent in his position, and a little unlucky to not score more.

  9. #Swish41
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Any takers...

    DDG
    Mee Otamendi Dunk (Mariappa Daniels)
    Salah Sterling(c) Hazard Richarlison RLC
    Kane Firminho (DCL)

    1. Hazard > KDB (really want to do this but it just feels wrong)
    2. Daniels > Christiansen (probably the sensible move, and play over Mee)
    3. Mariappa / Daniels > Ogbonna

    What do you reckon?!

    Cheers in advance!!

    1. Hedge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      2 or 3. Probably 2

      1. #Swish41
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers - I am 95% on 2 (cheeky 5% telling me KDB)

    2. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      These for free?

      1. #Swish41
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Yes mate

  10. davies
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    A) Alonso & RLC

    B) Christensen & Richarlison

  11. Hedge
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    RP bottomed

    Who scores more this week only:

    a) DCL (CHE) and Mahrez (MUN)
    b) Aguero (BOU) and Arnautovic (NEW) (-8)

    1. Robe Wan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      B by 4 points

    2. StayoutheSpiceZone
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Are u captaining any of them?

      1. Hedge
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Probably Aguero, otherwise Sterling

    3. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      b

  12. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Any indication on how long Valencia will be out for? Worth keeping for their decent run or should I just get rid now?

    1. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Looked quite serious

    2. Lemongrab
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      If you've got a free I'd just swap him for Jones. If it's going to cost you -4 wait until next week and assess.

  13. Old Wulfrunian
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Do you think its worth to take any of the hits below or should i play TC?The transfers are only for this gw because i will use my first wc in gw20.
    Elliot
    Christensen-Shawcross-Jones
    Salah-Gross-TC-Hazard-Sterling
    Kane-Austin
    Begovic-Gomez-Kola-Benteke
    0ft 0.6itb

    A)Kola->Ota(-4)
    B)Benteke->Abraham(-4)
    C)Start TC

  14. Old Gregg
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Sane or Sterling
    Gray or Austin

    1. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sane
      Austin

    2. Pieterke30
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling

      Austin just for this GW, but Gray over the next 3.

    3. Old Gregg
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      thanks

  15. AF90
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Should I do Maguire or Daniels -> Ogbonna?

    Thinking Maguire but worried about Daniels injury...will he be back for Boxing Day!?

    1. StayoutheSpiceZone
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Keep Harry

  16. Robe Wan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    How do we feel about

    Kane and Morata to Kun (c) and Lukakaaaaaa -4

    1. Old Gregg
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Slightly aroused.

      Can you affored just one i.e Morata >Kun/Kaku

  17. StayoutheSpiceZone
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Afternoon guys - please help

    1st to four votes wins

    Currently

    Elliot
    Dunk Dann Mee
    Sterling (c) salah Hazard RLC coutinho
    Kane laca

    Bench : Gomes TAA kenny crouch

    A) GTG
    B) Mee and Laca out for Kun (c) and Ogbonna-4

    Thanks

  18. SALVA
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Silva and Morata to
    A) Sterling(c), Lukaku
    B) Pogba, Aguero (c)
    C) only Morata to Aguero and play RLC

    1. @fpl_phenom
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I like B

  19. Legohair
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Good to go?
    Speroni
    Masuaku-Christensen-Jones
    Sane(c)-Salah-RCL-Groß-Richarlison
    Kane-Firmino
    Few question:play Fabianski or Speroni?play Kolasinac or RLC?

  20. SirStevieG
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    DDG
    Azpi - Otamendi - Naughton
    Salah - Hazard - Gross - Sane (vc) - Sterling (c)
    Rooney - Firmino

    Elliot - DCL - Gomez - Ward

    1 ft
    0.2 ITB

    GTG?

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yes

  21. El_Shaw
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    (C)DB or Sterlin(c)?

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      KDB

  22. Darth_Newdar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Lots of changes I want to make, but am I best off saving my 1 FT for next week in case of suspensions etc.? Thanks.

    Speroni
    Azpi, Otamendi, Dunk
    Hazard, Salah, Coutinho, Sterling, Loftus-Cheek
    Kane, Austin

    Hennessey, Mee, Simpson, Niasse

    1. StayoutheSpiceZone
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Like this team

      1. Darth_Newdar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks - I'm very tempted to swap Hazard for KDB and/or Azpi to Alonso, but feel the FT might be more important next week!

    2. #Swish41
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Not sure there is much wrong with that mate

    3. TeddiPonza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      You have the same front 7 as me and I am doing Cout to KdB. But I have 2 FT. Would probably save in your case

      1. Darth_Newdar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        I'm quite close to doing Hazard to KDB, but think I'm going to save the FT. I would sooner lose Hazard than Coutinho personally.

  23. Gaz_b
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Stuck with this one...

    Play a. DCL b. RLC

    Or

    -4 hit for

    RLC to

    C. Pogba D. Sane ??

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      RLC to Pogba would tempt me, but the sensible thing is probably to keep RLC and play him against Swansea (who aren't any good as we know)

  24. Ginola14
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Already got sterling, is a double up with sane worth a -4 to swap mahrez?

    1. lugs
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      no way , Mahrez is playing really well lately

  25. maxy111
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    HELP! (once again)
    Mou confirm that Valencia won't play..so should I put in Alonso over Valencia?

    1. La Roja
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah

    2. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah, good upgrade anyway

  26. alexmj
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    This week I can bring in either Pogba or Otamendi.

    It's either:

    A. Haz, Sanchez, Femenia, RLC to KDB, Sterling, Pogba and Masuaku -8
    B. Haz, Sanchez, Femenia to KDB, Sterling, Otamendi - 4 (play RLC)
    C. Sanchez, Femenia, RLC to Sterling, Pogba and Masuaku -4

    Which do yo prefer?

  27. Stimps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Do Kolasinac -> Ogbonna or save?

    Mee and Mariappa on bench

    1. GreenArrows
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I would.

      Kolasinac seems to have lost his place, and Ogbonna sets you up with a player for the DGW and has good fixtures

  28. GENERATION X
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    KDB is going to eat Cherries this weekend...

  29. The Wizard of Ozil
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Richarlison to do anything this weekend?

    1. Melania
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      If his team can keep their discipline... maybe

    2. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I sold him

    3. fr3d
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I believe so. It would be nice if they could finish the game with 11 players even if that's against their nature

    4. The Wizard of Ozil
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Nice one lads.

      I'm this close >< to doing a -16 and losing him.

  30. Aftermath
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Hi,everyone.Team gtg?

    Pope
    Otamendi Christensen Ogbonna
    Salah(vc) Hazard Sterling Pogba Sane(c)
    Kane Austin

    Elliot DCL Mee Long

    0.6itb,0ft

    1. TeddiPonza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Pope vs Elliot the only dilemma