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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. @fpl_phenom
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    DDG
    Ota Jones Christ Ogbon
    Salah Sterl Haz Richarl RLC
    Kane
    ——————————
    Elliot DCL Hune Morata

    Sterling (C)
    Kane (V)

    Gtg?

    1. fr3d
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yes, nice team

    2. GreenArrows
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Gtg, nice team

  2. nonprophet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    I have 7.2 itb. Should I spend it all on Alonso or upgrade my last non player, the wonderful rangel. I'm thinking, stuff it, go for it. Although stones at 5.5 and back next week looks OK. Appreciate replys

  3. Monkey Hanger
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Brought Sane in. Gives me :-
    DDG

    Ota - Christensen - Jones - Ogbonna

    Silva - Richarlison - Sane(c) - Salah - Hazard

    Kane

    GTG?

    1. @fpl_phenom
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Good team! yes gtg.

      1. Monkey Hanger
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers.

    2. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      2 other strikers?

      1. Monkey Hanger
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Quaner, and Callum Wilson.

        1. Christina.
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          I reckon I'm on DCL and Crouch.

          1. Monkey Hanger
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 1 month ago

            Next move, injuries etc permitting, Wilson out. And Richarlison to Pogba.

  4. Goodnight Kiwi
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    At an ends to pick a captain this weekend. Who would you go for out of this lost friends?
    A) Kane
    B) Salah
    C) Coutinho
    D) Silva
    E) Richarlison

    Thanks and good luck

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Salah out of those options

  5. Cok3y5murf
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Sane or Pogba?

    1. Ginola14
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sane

    2. nonprophet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Pog

  6. jimbobjeff85
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone else getting really sick of injuries or am I just unlucky? Can anyone beat the below number of injury/suspension-forced transfers?

    Otamendi GW12 (sus)
    Bailly GW14 (inj)
    Cedric GW16 (inj)
    Moreno GW17 (inj)
    Fermenia GW18 (inj)
    Silva (inj?) GW19
    Daniels (inj?) GW19
    Still in squad:
    Ward (inj) GW19
    Morata (sus) GW 19

    That's 9 players in 8 gameweeks - more than 1 injured / suspended player per game!

    Wish I could use that 2nd wildcard now....considering a free hit, but the problem is I won't be able to get the players I want back-in due to price rises.

    Merry bloom Christmas :-).

    1. jimbobjeff85
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Oops - Silva not injured but out for personal reasons. But you know what I mean.

  7. Atwood
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Starting XI and subs looking ok?

    Courtois
    Ogbonna - Otamendi - Smalling - Dunk
    Hazard - Salah - Sterling - Richarlison
    Kane - Firmino

    Elliot - DLC - Mee - RLC

  8. Lukakwho
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Silva - Sterling

    1. enrico.palazzo
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Just did it

  9. Lukakwho
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Silva - Sterling for a hit?

    1. enrico.palazzo
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Just did it for free but considering a hit at present for a defender

    2. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yep

  10. My name is an echo
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Which would you do?

    RLC to Sane
    Richarlson to KDB

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Richarlison to KDB

  11. GreenArrows
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    gtg or take a hit?

    Pope
    Otamendi Jones Ogbonna
    Sterling (C) Hazard Salah Richarlison RLC
    Kane DCL

    Elliot Kenny Duffy* Morata*

    0.1itb 0FT

  12. Slippy
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    OK so inconclusive on Silva. Should I do the -4 to Sterling?? Very weak bench/no bench at all

    1. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      No brainer

    2. hurrrrr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yup, definitely.

    3. Slippy
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      The alternative is a -4 for Daniels -> Ogbonna to try to get 11 players starting

    4. Pieterke30
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yes
      Every Silva owner will.

  13. Plagued by indecision
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    G2G? Play Marriappa or Mee?

    Adrian
    Mee / Otamendi / Alonso
    Salah / Sane / Sterling(c) / Zaha
    Kane / Rooney / Austin

    Subs: Fabianski / Gomez / Marriappa / Carroll

  14. Snoop
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    A. Ward to West Ham 4.4 def plus silva to sterling. For hit.

    B. Just change ward.

    C. Save

    I currently have ward, long, silva, morata that are not playing so I possibly won’t have a full team if I save.

  15. Maddi Son
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Who scores more points this week.

    Jones or Lukaku with a -4 hit.

    1. lugs
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      both the same imo , Jones - 2 points . Lukaku 6 points - 4

  16. SPFC
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    A- Murray >>> Austin (FT)
    B- Hazard and Gray >>>> Pogba and Arnautovic (-4)

  17. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    On a WC?
    A. Hazard or KDB?
    B. Austin or Firmino
    C. Smalling or Christensen

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      KDB
      Austin
      Christensen

  18. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Better silva replacement? Sterling or Sane?

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling for me

    2. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling for me

    3. SouthCoastSaint
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Sterling. But it’s crazy close. 2 Man City mids are a must imo

  19. SouthCoastSaint
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    DCL to Gray or RLC to Lingard -4? A bit nuts but looking at Xmas fixtures rather than just this weekend (I own Rooney and no Man U)

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      RLC to Lingard of those two options, but not sure it's worth a -4

      1. SouthCoastSaint
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        TA

  20. Numb
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Richarlison badly needs a rest

    1. Pieterke30
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Says you, or Marco Silva?

      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        How do we know he isn't Marco Silva ?

      2. Numb
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        Both actually

        1. Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 1 month ago

          Haven't read Silva say so, not exactly

          Thought he had said he can't rest him because of lack of options, or sth.

    2. fr3d
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      He had one this week.

  21. Tabbara
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Which option is better
    A:Gray and Sane/Coutinho for RLC and Morata(-4)
    B:Gray and Pogba for RLC and Morata(-4)
    C:Save FT and play dcl and RLC

  22. Hazz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Who would you pick to start out of:
    A) DCL
    B) Hunemeier
    C) Mee

    Have to assume Hunemier MAY start this weekend. And the bench order fir the other two?

    Also my Shaqiri punt has failed thus far. He's on the goals imminent stats table.
    But do you think I should do Shaqiri > Pogba for a -4?

    1. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Any sign of Hunemeier playing? He has played 17 minutes so far gw8. (I still have him)

      1. WE GO FOR IT
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 1 month ago

        He came on when Duffy when he was injured against Everton. But Goldson might have pipped him to be first choice back up, so I doubt he'd start.

    2. WE GO FOR IT
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      DCL Me Hunemeier. In that order.

      Yes, that's worth a hit!

  23. Carcaju
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    a) DCL
    b) Depoitre
    c) Andre Gray (also have Richarlison)?

  24. Garfield1001
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Current squad with 2 FT and £0.1 ITB:

    Pope Elliott
    Alonso Mee Otamendi Kiko Daniels
    Hazard RLC Richarlison Salah Coutinho
    Firmino Kane Niasse

    Thoughts on the following for a -8:

    Kiko -> Ogbonna
    Kane -> Aguero
    Firmino -> DCL
    RLC -> Sterling

    Opinions appreciated!!

    1. The Wizard of Ozil
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      I wouldn't

  25. WE GO FOR IT
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Best WHU defender to get - Masuaku or Ogbonna?

    1. SouthCoastSaint
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Generally agreed on here ogbonna more secure

    2. hurrrrr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Ogbonna

    3. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Like you, I'm doing this and it probably doesn't matter a great deal. In my view, Og is going to get more minutes and bps, Arthur offers some jazz and crosses. It's an Apzi Alonso situation, but with far more limited results.

    4. WE GO FOR IT
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Cheers all! Ogbonna it is!

  26. makaveli123
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Play Mee, TC or RLC?

    1. Darth_Newdar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      RLC

  27. Scratch
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Looks like several highly owned players are missing this week in Valencia, Morata, Doucoure, Ward, Silva, Luiz, Bertrand, Daniels?, Tark.
    Then add in rotation, rests, drops (Kola) etc we could see a fair few teams short of a full XI

  28. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Pope (Elliott)
    Kenny Christensen Jones (Kiko* Duffy*)
    Salah Sterling Hazard Richarlison RLC
    Kane Austin (Morata*)

    For the team above, pick one...
    A) Kiko to the Oggmonster/Jazzy Arthur and risk a weak bench.
    B) As above, plus Morata to Kaku (-4).
    C) Play Kenny. RLC and Morata to KDB DCL (-4).
    D) Balls out and do A plus C (-8)

  29. hurrrrr
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    With everyone going City/Kane, I think Laca could be an amazing differential captain tonight.

    Liverpool - Arsenal is always highscoring, Giroud is injured so he’s finally gonna get 90 mins and he does well at home. Should have had a hat trick against United who are 10x more organised than Liverpool.

  30. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 1 month ago

    Would you take out tarkowski for a hit here or good to go? 0.6m itb

    Ddg
    Christensen Otamendi masuaku
    Hazard Salah Coutinho sterling Richarlison
    Kane quaner

    Joel dcl mariappa tarkowski

    1. Teror
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah man, hit it