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Russia entertain Spain in today’s first last-16 tie, which kicks off at 3pm in Moscow.

The hosts’ excellent start to the tournament, in which they scored eight goals in their first two matches, was halted by a 3-0 defeat to Uruguay in their final group fixture.

Now they face the unenviable task of having to overcome Spain if they are to progress to the World Cup quarter-finals for the first time since the break-up of the Soviet Union.

The Spanish were far from convincing in the group stage, though. No team who qualified for the knockout rounds conceded more goals than Fernando Hierro’s side and the 2010 World Cup winners had to rely on an Iago Aspas stoppage-time strike to rescue a 2-2 draw against already-eliminated Morocco in their final group match.

Fantasy managers have backed Spain heavily, however, with Isco (£8.5m) the most-owned player on show this afternoon. The Real Madrid midfielder, who has had more touches in the opposition half (323) and final third (207) than any other player at the World Cup, has been selected by 34.9% of Fantasy managers.

Diego Costa (£9.1m) and Sergio Ramos (£6.5m) have also both been selected by over 20% of those who are playing McDonald’s FIFA, while David de Gea (£6.5m) and Dani Carvajal (£5.5m) – replaced by Nacho (£5.5m) in Fernando Hierro’s starting XI today – are the other two Spanish players to have double-digit ownerships.

An own-goal from Denis Cheryshev (£5.7m) in the defeat to Uruguay, coupled with no attacking returns and an early tactical substitution, has no doubt contributed to the three-goal Russian midfielder losing his place in well over 190,000 managers’ Fantasy teams.

Cheryshev, who hadn’t scored for the national team before the start of the World Cup, is the most-owned player in this Russian squad but is omitted from coach Stanislav Cherchesov’s starting XI today.

Budget midfielder Yury Gazinsky (£4.5m), who also starts on the bench, is the only other Russian player with an ownership of more than 10%.

Spain XI (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Nacho, Pique, Ramos, Alba; Busquets, Koke; Asensio, Isco; Silva; Diego Costa

Russia XI (5-4-1)⁠: Akinfeev; Fernandes, Kudryashov, Kutepov, Ignasevich, Zhirkov; Samedov, Kuzyaev, Golovin, Zobnin; Dzyuba

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  1. Camzy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Does that count as a penalty conceded by Pique?

    1. Chilli Heatwave
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Yes

      1. Deulofail
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Don't think so

        1. Deulofail
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Just checked. Answer: no

    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Minutes played
      44
      1
      Penalties conceded
      1
      -1
      Yellow cards
      1
      -1

      1. Deulofail
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Weird. He handballed it right? Rules say -1 not applicable in that case

    3. Klein
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Handball dosnt count acc to rule

  2. Rotation
    • 7 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Should make things a bit more interesting!

  3. DJDave1979
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Tough one. It's not intentional but it's going towards the goal. Very harsh yellow but I think he has to give the pen.

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      His hand goes down and then back up. Why is he doing that if it isn't to block the shot?

      1. Debauchy
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Clearly correct

        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Deserves to be given just for Pique being an idiot anyway.

    2. Number One
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      saw the replay, it looks deliberate.

  4. My Name Is Pepu
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    David Useless De Gea

    1. Chilli Heatwave
      • 7 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Joe hart new UTD number 1

  5. Red Dagger ✪
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    And that's why I didn't get a Spanish defender....

    1. Sif
      • 12 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Me too, got Carvajal instead

      1. Red Dagger ✪
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Nice move!

  6. diesel001
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Who says long ball football and set pieces doesn't work.

  7. Maddi Son
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    VAR is beautiful.

    1. Sim Simma
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      VAR wasn't involved

      1. DJDave1979
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Well it would have been had Pique developed a torso that went above his head...

      2. Deulofail
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        It was involve in a way. Perhaps the ref wouldn't have made the call if he didn't know that VAR would double check it. So it could have had a helping hand in justice being served.

  8. Number One
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    haha my rival has pique

  9. DJDave1979
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    That has saved the match.

  10. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    3.5 games
    1 save
    7 conceded

    DDG...

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      If that was Joe Hart he would be slaughtered. But because it is De Gea noone is talking. As I have said before, England GKs are not that bad. It is just that our team can't save our GKs when they make a mistake. If France, Spain, Brazil go 1-0 down to a GK mistake then they will come up with something to win. We will do well to get a draw.

      1. Pierce34
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        I'm not sure, a couple of things: first, De Gea is clearly a better goalkeeper than Hart, though that's arguably beside the point for now. Second, I'm not sure what the Spanish press are like. Maybe they are slaughtering De Gea?

        1. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          There have been calls for DDG to be dropped but not to the extent of an English style witch-hunt.

      2. Deeney-is-a-god
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        He has only made one mistake tbh, not his fault the team concedes one on ones amd penaltys when they first concede chances.

      3. doublyG
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        To put things into perspective De Gea has been the best keeper in the PL for 4 years. Hart cant get a game at West Ham

  11. Camzy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    That's definitely a penalty. Pique is an idiot.

    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      What the hell was he doing?

    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Yep, he knew what he was doing leaving his arm up there

  12. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    #JusticeForCarvajal

    1. palace ash
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Get him on after half tone

  13. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Piqué waving to somebody in the crowd was badly timed.

  14. Pierce34
    • 10 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Penalty Russia.

    1. Pierce34
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      BBC commentary.

    2. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Dialup?

    3. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Another one?

  15. G-Whizz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Carvajal owners happy 😆

    1. Sim Simma
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Not those who bench-boosted

    2. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Just need him to come on at half time and have it go to extras hehe

      1. Mo Mané Mo Problems
        • 11 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        And Isco assist winner from him.

        Would be brill.

      2. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        😆

  16. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Coming home status boosted by around 12% after that goal.

    1. Pierce34
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      With all those boosts over the last few matches it should be at around 200% by now.

  17. Maddi Son
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Only consolation is Ramos should get awarded the goal. 50/50 calls usually favour the attacker.

    1. Brosstan
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Its already given as an OG on the official site.

    2. doublyG
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Why are we still debating this! He clearly didnt touch it!

      1. Maddi Son
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        "Clearly - Without doubt; obviously."

        Stop exaggerating.

        1. doublyG
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Exaggerating? Did you see the replay? 100% conclusive

      2. Where has all the rum gone?
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Hope is a very big thing

  18. My Name Is Pepu
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    No bus, no party for De Gea.

  19. AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Sean Dyche preparing a bid for Dzyuba as we speak

    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Russian footballers don't do that well away from Russia though.

      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Bit of a racist statement.

        1. diesel001
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          The stats show it. There was a time when South American footballers didn't do well in England. That has changed with the advent of a larger South American community in England and a better cultural understanding by football clubs and local communities who have South Americans living there.

          Maybe it will change for Russians, but cultural factors are a massive factor in how well players do. Zabaleta was on the BBC last week showing showing 'Matcha' tea - which many South American players like drinking. Might be small, but being able to import that tea makes a difference to players.Lots of small things and bigger things like that do have an effect on player performance.

          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            7 years, 5 months ago

            Yeah I wasn't serious.

          2. doublyG
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            7 years, 5 months ago

            This is one of the most insightful thing I have read for a while. Kudos

      2. Sim Simma
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Arshavin, The Tot striker ?

        1. diesel001
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          He did well in parts, but wasn't as good as expected.

        2. CaTriEm
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          You kinda just proved his point.

        3. badgerboy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Pavlychenko. Neither did that well to be fair.

        4. Brosstan
          • 11 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Pavlyochenko was pretty bad.

      3. badgerboy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Dmitri Kharine was alright but that's going back a bit. Had to wear some hideous kits which must of held him back.

  20. Sim Simma
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Isco slips with the goal empty

  21. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Pique - 1

    When caravajal wasn't starting I wondered what ways I could still end up worse off 😆 . About sums it up. Red card incoming

    1. Deulofail
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Should be on 1pt by the end of the day, unless he gets a RC or concedes another. I assume the pen conceded deduction will be reversed as it was handball, unless I'm missing something obvious.

      1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
        • 16 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Really? I thought as he conceded it he lost 2 points. Fingers crossed , worse BB Pavon Pique Muselra . Boom getting 😀

        1. Deulofail
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          He currently has a deduction which shouldn't exist 🙂

          My bench boost last round was 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 😀

          1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
            • 16 Years
            7 years, 5 months ago

            Ah ok cheers

            Haha it's frustrating isn't it. It is a bit of a lottery this WC but id like a bit of balance

  22. DJDave1979
    • 11 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    De Gea is having as bad a World Cup as he had a good Prem season.

    1. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Hopefully he carries it on next season.

  23. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Spain getting what they deserved for "resting on their laurels"....aka "You snooze you lose"

    They'd better step it up now.

    1. Sim Simma
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      resting ont heir yannies*

  24. Ginkapo FPL
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    With the half time replays, watch Ignasher go to grab Ramos, and then Ramos grabbing him and dragging them both down..... its comical really. The person who put the momentum into that was Ramos, watch him push his weight backwards first....

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Master of the dark arts.

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Indeed

  25. Woy_is_back
    • 8 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    DDG= overrated as feck

    1. doublyG
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Have you seen him play for United over the last 3/4 season?

      1. Woy_is_back
        • 8 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        United play differently. The system Spain plays he´s getting exposed big time.

        1. Pigeon
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          You're a clown

        2. CaTriEm
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          I can only assume you're trolling. De Gea is one of the best if not THE best goalkeeper in the world. Look at the goals he has conceded this world cup and ask yourself if any keeper would have saved any of them bar the Ronaldos second goal; every goalkeeper ever has had a clanger like that.

          The unfortunate statistic of saves vs goals conceded is being jumped on by people desperate to discredit him but it's strictly an anomaly. He pulls off saves no other goalkeeper does.

    2. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      See what happens when he doesn't have Phil Jones protecting him...

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Cant even get into the England team.

        1. doublyG
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Doh

        2. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          Thats because he's Spanish.

          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            7 years, 5 months ago

            Phil Jones I am talking about...

            1. Rainer
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 5 months ago

              😉

    3. ZeBestee
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Cant judge him when he had no shot to save except the pen which he did not.

  26. OPTA FPL
    • 14 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Justtice for Carvalhal

  27. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    What score do you predict after the 2nd half?

    1. Mo Mané Mo Problems
      • 11 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      3-1

      Isco double in ET.

      Carvajal to come on in 58th min. 2x assists and clean sheet.

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      1-1

    3. Pumpkinhead - I'm ITK …
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      2 1 Russia. Hope Spain can do it though for sake of the WC

  28. EmreCan Hustle
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    I was debating whether 6 CS points is worth spending 6.5m for Ramos. Now I just don't care, lol.

  29. Deeney-is-a-god
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Don’t get why De Gea is being slauthered. He has made ONE mistake, the rest of the goals he has conceded are totally fair to concede. One on one, two penalties, terrific free cick, header in the corner...

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      If he played like that for United, they would have finish 5th.

      1. Deeney-is-a-god
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        No, beacuse I doubt any other keeper woul save those chances either... the saves he had for united are brilliant, bit some shots arent made to be saves

    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      even if it is just one mistake, he has only made one save as well. You offset the mistakes with good play.... he hasnt

    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      He's built his own hype. It's not just the mistakes aspects. He should also make the odd amazing save otherwise he is just a normal keeper.-

      1. doublyG
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Is there any debate over whether he has been by far the best keeper in the PL for the last 4 years?

  30. Jack Frost
    • 15 Years
    7 years, 5 months ago

    Man, I miss Senegal

    1. Deulofail
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 5 months ago

      Go back and escape this heat wave?

      1. Jack Frost
        • 15 Years
        7 years, 5 months ago

        Yo, their ducktales warm up was the best... exuberant and joyful.

        1. Deulofail
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 5 months ago

          HA! Just searched it and now I'm happy, thanks