Opinion

FPL Question Time – Hazard vs Liverpool options and Champions League rotation

Our panel of Fantasy Premier League managers have answered some of your questions in time for your Gameweek 6 preparation.

Key subjects such as how to get Eden Hazard (£10.8m) into our squads, whether a double-up on Mohamed Salah (£13.0m) and Sadio Mané (£10.0m) is still viable, and Champions League rotation are all touched on this week.

Once again, we had an overwhelming response to our request for questions. Unfortunately, we can only answer a handful each week but keep your queries coming in for the rest of the season.

Here’s a reminder of who is on the panel for your Gameweek 6 Question Time:

Chief #FPL Manager – This man has finished inside the top one percent six times in his career as a Fantasy manager and is one of the biggest influencers in the FPL Twitter-sphere

Lee from FPL Family – One half of the popular married couple who play FPL together and run a YouTube channel.

Simon March – Winner of FPL in 2014/15.

Question 1 – Chief FPL Manager

Having missed Hazard’s points the last two Gameweeks, is he worth missing another week due to my Salah and Mané double up against Southampton or do I drop one of them for the Chelsea man?

“I was fortunate enough to acquire Hazard during the international break, courtesy of my wildcard. I considered the Mané and Salah ‘double up’ as a serious option, but simply couldn’t ignore Hazard in part after watching his scintillating performances during the World Cup, along with his proven FPL pedigree.

“I also experimented with the possibility of having Mane, Salah and Hazard in one team (along with Alonso and Aguero) but it would have unbalanced and decimated the rest of my squad.

“Instead, I opted for Hazard and Salah, despite the Egyptian costing more than Mane. This wasn’t an easy decision to make, but I took into account their ownership levels and concluded that it’s easier to switch from Salah to Mane if needed, rather than the other way around.

“Crucially, to his benefit, Hazard was given sufficient rest in the first two Gameweeks. But more importantly, I think he will feature far less in Chelsea’s Europa league matches than Liverpool’s reliance on Mane and Salah to top their Champions’ League games, which makes Hazard a must-have in FPL.

“Get Hazard in sooner rather than later even if it means selling one of your premium Liverpool assets. It may be worth considering this as early as Gameweek 6 in case Hazard’s price rises again.”

Question 2 – FPL Family

Aguero is doubtful and with Champions League football could be susceptible to rotation by Pep. Is Lukaku the best alternative?

“First things first, the Aguero heel injury doesn’t look too bad and he shouldn’t miss too many minutes through injury. In terms of rotation though, we could well see a reduction in minutes around the Champions League.

“But having watched Aguero so far this year, as well as hearing his manager’s recent comments on his form, I firmly believe he’s their main man this year.

“There’s no doubt that Pep and City will be going all out for the Champions League this year though, so if rotation is a concern, then you are right to consider Lukaku as a viable alternative.

“With four goals to Aguero’s three, Lukaku already has a higher goal involvement rate than the Argentinian – and a higher conversion rate (26.7% to Aguero’s 12%).

“Aguero’s creativity can’t be ignored though. He creates a chance twice as often as the Manchester United man – every 32 minutes to Lukaku’s 64. As a result, he also dominates the Bonus Points, with excellent underlying BPS when compared to the Belgian.

“My advice: stick with Aguero. If you simply HAVE to transfer him out though, then look at Lukaku. However, also consider the value in the lower price brackets. Zaha is back and winning games for Palace, Wilson’s looked incredibly lively in a Bournemouth side with great upcoming fixtures and Arnautovic turned on the style against Everton in Gameweek 5.

“Given the clamour for premium midfielders such as Sterling, Hazard and Mané, the sale of Aguero for one of the budget strikers, should surely only happen if you’re looking to bring in one of the heavy hitters in that position.”

Question 3 – Simon March

Whether Ben Mendy was rotated or injured, at what point (or how many players) does any absence due to rotation become unacceptable for premium players?

“It’s not a new problem but rotation feels like it’s becoming a bigger one. The best teams now have so many options in their squads, rotation is practically inevitable. In FPL, it seems like an added premium we pay for owning players from the biggest teams.

“How much rotation is too much, I think, depends partly on the position. Benched premium defenders can be frustrating and defender cameos are the worst. Overreacting and ditching players we’ll want in the long term is unlikely to be the answer, but frequently-rotated premium defenders probably aren’t worth holding on to either.

“I’m not sure the same applies to premium attacking players though. For example; because of how Man City play, Aguero might get as many chances in a 30-minute cameo as most strikers will in a full match. Assessing players by the number of opportunities they get to score, rather than by the number of the minutes they play, might be the way forward in a world that won’t stop rotating.

“It’s hard to predict who will get dropped but we know when players are most likely to be rotated; during periods of heavy fixture congestion, especially any involving Champions League football. Having a decent bench and selecting a sensible vice-captain become ever more important tactics during these phases.”

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1,482 Comments Post a Comment
  1. patshaw
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Wc team, any suggestions much appreciated!

    Begovic Hamer
    Mendy, Trippier, Bennet, WB, Alonso
    Hazard, Mane, Richi, Fraser, D.Silva
    Kun, Zaha, Wilson.

    My worries: Mitro, Doherty, Lukaku

    Thanks

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      That front 8 will give benching headache, drop one of them to cheapo and get better GKs

    2. Bialystrzelec
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Tottenham defence not quite there yet, additional rotation risk.
      I'm also on WC and I consider exact the same ftont 8 apart from Zaha.

    3. Ghost Gooner
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      I like it

  2. Bialystrzelec
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Sort that in pecking order please:

    A. Sterling & Wilson (3.9 for last sub defender)
    B. David Silva & Mitrovic (5.9 for defender)
    C. Lukaku & Schurle (4.3 for defender)
    D. Vardy & Lucas Moura (4.9 for defender)

    1. KingOllie
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      b

    2. ResultatFar
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      B
      A
      C
      D

      Dilva and Mitro are both great assets in the coming GWs

    3. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      C with Bennett/Wan Bissaka

    4. Hy liverpool
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      B

    5. Azathoth
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      B

  3. captainjilflex
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    hey guys. Was planning wc around gw9. Now seems Hazard is pretty much essential. Do i wait till my planned wc, wc now, or take at least a -8 hit to get him in now. I’m pretty much happy with my team right now. Any advice much appreciated...

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      if happy, sit back and relax...

      1. captainjilflex
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        thanks. ive had a good weekend so injury dependant may stick

    2. Bialystrzelec
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      I decided to press WC button in simillar situation.

    3. Ghost Gooner
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      I'd take the hit

    4. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      If you want him now then you are better off wilcarding and fine tuning the funds elsewhere but if you can stomoch this weekend without then go without. No one essential

      1. captainjilflex
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks. My head says stick to my plan for gw9 wc but so hard seeing hazard haul like this and not having him

  4. Jasօn
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Patricio

    Mandy Wan B Alonso

    Hazard Pedro Salah (c) D.Silva

    Aguero Wilson Mitrovic

    Bench: hamer / Bennett / Cedric / hojbjerg

    Do any real changes need to be done? Assuming no injuries midweek?

    1FT currently...

    1. Park_The_Bus
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Wait for Mendy/Kun news. Team looks good. Pedro could soon be the biggest worry. I reckon he'll start being rotated with William from GW6 onwards

  5. Hy liverpool
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    people who have no salah , who are you going to captain ?

    1. ted mcnure
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Mane

    2. Oven Glover
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Kun, Haz or Mané. Salah stand out option, though. Sofa hiding time.

  6. Evanio
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    With the current success of budget forwards, currently toying with the idea of going with a super cheap forward line to allow premium players elsewhere:

    Fab/Bego
    Alonso/Mendy/TAA/AWB/4.5
    Hazard/Salah/Mane/Dilva/5.0
    Mitro/Ings/Jimenez

    Suicide or genius-discuss!

    1. Jasօn
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Budget forwards are doing exceptionally well... It's a smart move for now imho

    2. Evanio
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      btw, currently have aguero and arnie

      1. Team Bobcat
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        I have both those and firmino. I would keep aguero. He is their main man. Get rid of BSilva and mane for fraser and richalison Schurle maddison or the like.

    3. Bob B
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Personally I don’t like the front 3, if I was to have 3 budget strikers I would try Mitrovic-Zaha-Arnautovic

      1. Evanio
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        sadly that is not budget enough (2.5 million more), otherwise I agree

        1. Bob B
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Downgrade Silva to Richarlison, and treat yourself to a premium keeper

      2. Team Bobcat
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Arnautovic is carrying an injury and heading into three toughies. King Mitro Zaha is decent

    4. Sensible Scouter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Budget forwards was my go to from GW1, so I'm going to vote for genius here. The premium forwards are expensive relative to their midfield counterparts (Salah excepted), I found them hard to justify. Hazard and is basically a forward who gets an extra point for each goal, plus clean sheet points, and the BPS system seems to love him too (the only advantage for goalscorers being classified as forwards).

      1. Sensible Scouter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Btw, I went for Zaha, Arnie and a 4.5 (because how often does your 3rd sub come off the bench?). Would look at an alternative to Arnie though with his fixtures.

    5. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Your whole midfield are rotation risks of some sort coupled with you three starting defenders at thr back. Too much risk / headache for me.

    6. adey70
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Bennett in defence for extra $$$

  7. TAArt
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Ward and Doherty or Bennett and Cairney as bench options?

    Any other options in the 4.0-4.5 def/mid bracket?

    1. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Ward and Doherty

  8. Bob B
    • 10 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Do I keep Jesus and Mahrez in my draft team now that Champions league has arrived or should I look to trade them off?

    1. Ghost Gooner
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Surely they'll get more league minutes now

  9. Oven Glover
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    “Get Hazard in sooner rather than later even if it means selling one of your premium Liverpool assets. It may be worth considering this as early as Gameweek 6 in case Hazard’s price rises again.”

    Controversial imo.

    1. Pras (FPL)
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      yeah not the best advice

    2. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      I sold Mane for Hazard in GW 4. Risky to do it this week

    3. Ghost Gooner
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      How so? The suggestion is to get rid of 1 if you have 2 or more not to go without a Liverpool asset

      1. Team Bobcat
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Liverpool are the form team with fixrures still on their side. Chelsea are on form too with fictures taking a turn for the worse. Swapping onr form asset for another is lunacy unless the form asset you are acquiring has really tasty fixture whuch chelsea dont. West ham could beat them

      2. Oven Glover
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Points over pounds. Wouldn’t advise someone to take out explosive attackers ahead of very good home fixture. No harm (except .2 at the most) in waiting.

    4. Team Bobcat
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      He hasent a clue. Some of these articles are the stuff of tabloid newspapers. Jounalist ambitions I subbose. Take the advive with a pinch of salf

    5. BigBarn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Yes, there's been a fair helping of conjecture-offered-as-fact in the articles lately. Less contentious, granted, but yesterday I read that it's "too soon" to consider Ozil, when I'd just spent the morning looking at stats and fixtures suggesting it might be a great time to bring him in. Disagreeing is where the fun lies, of course, but the articles should probably shy away from personal preferences.

  10. AZERTY
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Bilva + Firmino >> Hazard + Mitrovic? (-8)

    1. Evanio
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      personally yes, no brainer

      Bilva-inconsistent, minutes are guesswork, produces one week, blanks the next.
      Firmino-improving, but not explosive

      Hazard-gold dust at the moment
      Mitro-Firing at the moment, likely to keep up with Firmino I think

  11. Threat Level Midnight
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Alisson
    Mendy-Roberts-Alonso-Wan Biss
    Richarl-Mane-Hazard
    Aguero-Zaha-Mitro

    Steklenberg-Mhky-Neves-Peltier

    1FT and .4 ITB

    Thinking of standing Pat for one more week...feel like Mhky is due for a start. Ozil should be "ill" this weekend

    Any thoughts?

    1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Get rid as soon as you can

  12. Goat
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Could someone remind me of Mark’s I.d please? I know it’s something like 4116 but can’t find it

      1. Goat
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers mr topo

      2. KingOllie
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        lol that Gameweek 3 paniccard.

        1. Oven Glover
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Only 3 poor picks (in hindsight). Mkhi, Aub & Sess. I think he’s going to climb the ranks going forward.

          1. Oven Glover
            • 8 Years
            5 years, 7 months ago

            Guendo might not be the best pick either. In fact the 3x Arsenal was too many eggs in one unsettled basket.

    1. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Set as PIN so you don't forget

  13. Wild Rover
    • 13 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Quick heads up in case people hadn't seen, that Inter v Spurs and Barca v PSV kick off at 1755 today 🙂

    1. Pras (FPL)
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      saw that too yeah.. is it TV money or some other reason you think?

        1. Pras (FPL)
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          cheers

  14. dashdriver
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Patricio
    Alonso / Mendy / Robertson
    Hazard / Manè / Moura / Pedro
    Agüero / Vardy / Mitrovic

    Hamer / Wan-Bissaka / Billing / Bennett

    1FT and £0.0ITB

    Wildcarded last week, and was planning Pedro to Richarlison this week. Should I wait on news on Mendy and Agüero, or just pull the trigger as none of them should be long term absent anyway? If one of them doesn't play, AWB at home to Newcastle to come off the bench seems a good backup.

    1. 007 [RoboKlopp]
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Wait the news

  15. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Southampton mid table in terms of goals conceded (6, Fulham top with 12), are we expecting too much from Liverpool forwards?

    Southampton havent had the strongest opposition so far...

    1. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      They are poor. Don't see Liverpool having much trouble

    2. KingOllie
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Played Burnley and a Zaha-less Palace. That is why

    3. Pass
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Kind of stingy on giving the big chance I can say (I don't have that xG stats whatsoever) solely by compiling score and big chances missed stats

  16. hogree
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    On exactly the right amount to do

    Cairney + Auba + VVD --> Hazard + Mitrovic + Bennett (-4)

    Good move or not?

    1. 007 [RoboKlopp]
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Good moves imo

    2. Holmes
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Nope... Aubameyand and Van Dijk out is a risky stuff

  17. Warby84
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Ucl

    Areola
    Gimenez Godin Nagotomo pique Albiol
    Zielinski Perisic Milner
    Messi C Suarez

    Akinfeev Dolberg Modric Isco

    1. Ghost Gooner
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Ditch Isco and Modric to Asensio and Ziyech.

      Akinfeev to Olsen

      1. Warby84
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Would you go Suarez or Mbappe???

        1. Ghost Gooner
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Mbappe. Suarez was terrible last season scoring wise

      2. Warby84
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Will Olsen start but could be 0-7

        1. Ghost Gooner
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Akinfeev hasn't kept a c/s in ages and I'd look into Areola as well. Surely Buffon is no.1.

          Milner won't rack up points this time as Liverpools group is hard this time.

          Get a few Bayern, Porto and City assets as they are in easy groups

      3. Warby84
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Milner to Saul Niguez?

        1. Ghost Gooner
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Atletico having scoring issues atm

  18. WrightnBright
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    If you could own only one of Mendy, Richarlison or Mitrovic who would it be?

    I'm actually toying with the idea of Mendy > Bennett and upgrade one of my 4.5 mids/forwards.

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      If confirmed injured then I would go to Doherty or Chilwell

      1. WrightnBright
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        I'm on a WC and already have Doherty.
        Alonso Mendy Doherty AWB Holebas

    2. caldracula
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Probably Richarlison

  19. seewhyaxe
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Any advices for my team please? 2 FTs, 0.1m itb

    Foster / Fabianski

    Alonso, Robertson, Mendy, AWB, Tomkins

    Salah, Mane, Walcott, Bilva, Stephens

    Aguero, Mitrovic, Ings

    really appreciate it.

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Walcott out for Fraser

      1. seewhyaxe
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks and with the extra funds?

    2. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Mendy if injured or Tompkins out.

      1. seewhyaxe
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Tomkins don't seem to be an important transfer now though.

        Mendy yes if he's injured.

  20. Holteenderinthesky
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Who scores more this week ?
    A) Mitro
    B) Zaha
    C) Wilson
    D) Deeney
    E) Murray

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Tough but mitrovic for me

    2. kalmoffit
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      B

    3. Jules Rimet
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Mitro

    4. caldracula
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Zaha for me

  21. Silva Bilva Tilva Pilva
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Cleansheet odds UCL fantasy GW1:

    Barcelona 55%
    Napoli 51%
    Ajax 50%
    Man City 48%
    Atletico Madrid 47%
    Galatasaray 41%
    Juventus 41%
    Bayern Munich 41%
    Man Utd 39%
    Real Madrid 38%
    Plzen 36%
    Borussia Dortmund 34%
    Tottenham 31%
    Schalke 04 30%
    Shakhtar Donetsk 30%
    Inter 29%
    Porto 29%
    CSKA Moscow 28%
    Lokomotiv Moscow 23%
    Liverpool 22%
    Monaco 22%
    Valencia 21%
    Hoffenheim 19%
    Young Boys 18%
    Paris St Germain 17%
    Club Brugge 16%
    Crvena Zvezda 15%
    AEK Athens 13%
    Benfica 12%
    Roma 8%
    Lyon 5%
    PSV 4%

    1. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      PSG are low and I have the GK hopefully lots of saves

    2. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Gone pique Godin Gimenez Nagotomo (gal) albiol (nap)

      1. Ghost Gooner
        • 10 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Gimenez is competing w Savic for that CB spot. What about A.Telles?

        1. Warby84
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Porto away to schalke?

          1. Ghost Gooner
            • 10 Years
            5 years, 7 months ago

            Schalke have lost all their games so far

    3. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Where's Arsenal?

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        *Chelsea

        1. Warby84
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          I was looking for Alonso Haha...

      2. Hot Fuzz
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Gunners are in europa league groupe E

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          CL rebranding?

  22. FPL AXE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 7 months ago

    Mitrovic and Pedro + £0.6m
    Or
    David Silva and Ings ??

    1. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 7 months ago

      Silva and Ings or Jimenez

  23. How should FPL stop multi-accounts?
    stat
      5 years, 7 months ago

      I'd like to know what everyone thinks about how FPL can stop multi-accounters.

      Here are some methods they can potentially use:

      1. CAPTCHA at the registration screen - This would at least make it less straightforward to automate the creation of tons of accounts, and would also slow down people who sit there and manually create many accounts. However, there are ways around this because there are people willing to be paid to fill in CAPTCHAs, but this would make automating the creation of thousands of FPL accounts slightly costlier.

      2. Phone verification - I assume that most people that play FPL have a phone number that they can use to verify their accounts with. If FPL adds phone verification whereby each phone number can only be used to verify one and only one account, this will mean that cheaters might turn to renting disposable one-time phone numbers off the internet. Therefore FPL could prompt people to verify their phone numbers on two different occasions (e.g. once they register for the new season, and X minutes later) to block people with "one-time use" phone numbers.

      3. IP address blocking / flagging - If one IP address is used to register a significant number of accounts then this IP can be flagged and the accounts involved can be monitored for other signs of multi-accounting. Perhaps these accounts could have to undergo further verification in order to join the game.

      4. Verification via official documents - While I believe that this is the most effective way to stop people from making thousands of accounts, I think it would stop a lot of people from playing the game because a game requiring you to send a picture of an official document of yours (e.g. your passport) is quite intrusive to your privacy.

      5. Banning disposable emails / Only allowing registrations from certain email providers - There are websites where you can receive an email without registering for one (e.g. Mailinator) which makes signing up for a website incredibly easy if you do not want to use your actual email address. This also makes it easy to sign up for multiple accounts because accessing the inbox of another Mailinator email is as simple as changing the username in the URL. Many websites ban people from registering with disposable emails for this reason. Additionally, there are popular email providers which I believe require you to verify your phone number before using them. If FPL only allowed registrations from such domains then it would make it much harder for people to create a ton of emails and register FPL accounts with them.

      I believe that a combination of methods 1, 2, 3 and 5 would at least make it costly to create a significant number of accounts.

      However, the important thing is that FPL does not go overboard in their restrictions because that will make the game much less accessible to the average player.

      ---

      Also note, there are still significant multiaccounters going about:

      * https://ghostbin.com/paste/e75xr - A list of many of a multiaccounter's teams.

      * https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/team/4075100/event/5 - The highest ranked team of the same multiaccounter.

      * https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/leagues/standings/1212937/classic and https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/leagues/standings/1006152/classic - Leagues created by this multiaccounter.

      * https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/leagues/standings/1209668/classic - One of the many leagues that the previous multiaccounter who had many of his accounts removed from the overall rankings created. Most of the accounts there have a 2 year history and are in the same leagues, but they are almost certainly created by the same guy as these leagues popped up after many of his accounts were banned, and he has created many similar leagues.

      1. Zilla
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 7 months ago

        Thing is do we know that FPL doesn't want multi-accounts?

        1. stat
            5 years, 7 months ago

            They have specified in their rules that people are only allowed to make one team.
            They also reset the overall ranks of many accounts of a multi-accounter to 0, although they didn't touch his main account, and they didn't delete those accounts, potentially to inflate their player count.

            1. Deulofail
              • 8 Years
              5 years, 7 months ago

              OR 0 = best rank possible

          • Mo Mané Mo Problems
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 7 months ago

            Oh they don’t care.

            They want people to believe that they have organically gone from 3.5m two years ago to 5m this year! So obviously inflated by losers like the guy Stat found.

          • fclackless [Brazil Nuts]
            • 5 Years
            5 years, 7 months ago

            this

        2. Oven Glover
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          Hire you as the chief of the multiple team police 😉

        3. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 7 months ago

          What's the problem with multiaccounters? How does it affect you and me?

          1. stat
              5 years, 7 months ago

              It affects our overall ranks when there's a guy with hundreds of accounts, with several of them in the Top 10K for example

              1. Deulofail
                • 8 Years
                5 years, 7 months ago

                Ok, I guess if you're really OCD about your rank, it matters, but everyone here, for example, is competing against the same multiaccounters, so it doesn't really bother me. It would only bother me if it stopped me getting a place in the top 10 or something, and I presumed they would weed out the multiaccounters in this area and time anyway to avoid embarrassment...?

                1. stat
                    5 years, 7 months ago

                    I see what you're saying but it would be annoying if someone finished 1 point outside the Top 10K because of a multi-accounter that FPL never bothered to deal with someone who finished within the Top 10K. Generally I think they should be more strict towards multi-accounters to make the game fairer for everyone.

                    Plus I'm pretty sure they vet the FPL winner to make sure that they weren't cheating, but I doubt they do that for the GW prize winner.

                    1. Deulofail
                      • 8 Years
                      5 years, 7 months ago

                      10,001 is one away from 10,000. It honestly wouldn't bother me that I "missed" out on something, because I wouldn't have actually missed out on anything at all. I know what the number one is and its relation to 10,000 as well as the realtion of 10,000 to one, so I would know approximately how many people, and precisely how many accounts, stood between me and OR 1.

                      As I said, I guess it's important for the people its important too. But I'm not so worried, myself. Would be best if they could figure it out without requiring me to do anything about it (e.g. verification, which can eat my shorts).

                      1. stat
                          5 years, 7 months ago

                          I think you hit the nail in the head with your last sentence. Ultimately it's a question of "how much do we bug our userbase to make it harder for people to cheat at FPL?" and currently I doubt there are that many people that significantly care about multi-accounters so I can't see them doing much about it. Hopefully they'll ban that guy who has an account in the top 300, at least.

                        • RedLightning
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 13 Years
                          5 years, 7 months ago

                          For those who hope to qualify for my Top 10k Any Season mini-league or for PDM's Top 1k ANY season mini-league, it would be extremely annoying if they missed out by a few places because of a cheating multi-accounter with hundreds of teams.

                          It would also be very annoying if I missed out on a game-week prize because of this cheating multi-accounter. I hope that FPL do make a few checks before handing out these prizes.

                          1. Deulofail
                            • 8 Years
                            5 years, 7 months ago

                            Right. People who care about qualifying for a league should care. But my guess is that nobody really cares about "qualifying". They join if they happen to have finished in the top 10k before, and don't join if they've not. It's not like an elite club of members drinking champagne and offering handing out red letter day tickets to each other. There are no bonuses except for bragging rights and the false sense of community that comes from belonging to a minileague full of people you don't know or talk to 😉

                            1. RedLightning
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • Has Moderation Rights
                              • 13 Years
                              5 years, 7 months ago

                              Many FPL managers set a target of finishing in the top 10,000 just because its a nice round figure to aim at and one that not many achieve with any regularity, and so that they can say they've finished in the top 10,000 a certain number of times - and many who have achieved this target do not join my mini-league.

                              But I've seen lots of comments from FPL managers who say they want to finish in the top 10k so that they can qualify for it, and others from managers who have just had their first top 10k finish and are looking forward to joining it in the following season.

                              Competing in it shows that they have achieved this target at least once, and they enjoy competing against others who have also achieved this target. It does have some prestige, and I have to reject quite a few teams each season because they have never actually finished that high.

                              And why is that a false sense of community? FFS and its mini-leagues are full of people from all over the world who I have never met face-to-face and probably never will. Does that make FFS a false community too? Having a common interest and enjoying talking about it and competing against each other still makes us a community in my opinion, even if we don't all meet together at work or down the pub.

                              1. Deulofail
                                • 8 Years
                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                FFS is not a false sense of community because we are interacting. There's no way to banter with someone in a minileague via the FPL site.

                                1. RedLightning
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • Has Moderation Rights
                                  • 13 Years
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  You don't have to banter to be a community. We are still competing against each other, and we are all part of the larger fantasy football community.

                                  It is basically a competitive community with a common interest, and a certain amount of banter is merely the icing on the cake.

                                  There is a big overlap between my mini-league and the FFS Main and Members mini-leagues (I don't know exactly how big, and I'm not going to go through all the teams in it to find out), so there may be some banter on FFS between managers in all three of these mini-leagues - but there are also many managers in all three that I have never directly corresponded with. We are still competing against each other though, and take an interest in our positions and some of the other teams in them.

                                  If you only want to enter smaller mini-leagues that only contain people you can banter with then that's up to you, but I prefer to test myself against a higher standard of opposition.

                                2. Deulofail
                                  • 8 Years
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  This is turning into a big discussion on the tiny point of what a community is. Sorry for saying that your 10k ML gives a false sense of community.

                      2. Rostah
                        • 9 Years
                        5 years, 7 months ago

                        Top 10k is a nice goal for everyone, but its relatively meaningless. Every year with additional players in the game the goal posts move. When FPL had 3.5m players that was the top 0.28% in the world, now its the top 0.18% in the world. Top 1k, 10k, 100k, etc, are all just rough measures of your season, which mean different things every year with the change in amount of players.

                        If you miss your target, whatever that may be, don't look to blame the boogy man cheaters, look at what decisions went wrong for you. What decisions did you make that break your own rules for playing the game. What punts did you take that all logic told you not to, etc etc. Looking for external forces to blame isn't healthy or productive.

                        1. stat
                            5 years, 7 months ago

                            But in my example you'd be missing out on that target specifically because someone with multiple accounts essentially robbed you of your Top 10K finish.

                            1. Rostah
                              • 9 Years
                              5 years, 7 months ago

                              10001k and 10000k are both still top 0.18% finishes. If your picking a number as being a meaningful target you should really use a % as the player base changes year to year, thus a non % target is meaningless.

                              1. Deulofail
                                • 8 Years
                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                Although I agree with the sentiment that it doesn't matter, I actually prefer the absolute tagets of 100k, 10k, 1k, 100 etc, because, although it's skewed by multiple accounts (as is measuring success proportionally), it feels more real, as it involves the count of whole people and where you are in the queue to being the best in the world.

                                Proportion is about the number of people playing the game, so you can make conclusions about how good you would be if everyone in the world were playing the game, and the answer would be the same (the proportion wouldn't change - well maybe you'd be due to the number of people who weren't actually interested in playing FPL but were forced to by this fascist regime!).

                                However, at the olympics, we declare people the best in the world without giving everyone in the world a chance. The second best in the world isn't actually "in the top X%", making him approximately in the top 10k if everyone were playing the game. Likewise in life, in business, the best is the best. That's how we write the narratives and understand the world, and that's how I'd like my fantasy about fantasy football to play out in my mind. The top 10 are the best ten in the world for me; not just the top 10 who are playing the game, because that last part is a given 🙂

                                1. Deulofail
                                  • 8 Years
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  *well maybe you'd be better

                                  (Sorry for the essay 😳 )

                                2. Rostah
                                  • 9 Years
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  Ah I totally agree with you, I use top 10k, 100k, etc as measurements myself.They are lovely round numbers that give you a great indication of how your season is going/went. But I wouldn't get upset at finishing top 10100 instead of top 10000. I use them as ball park figures rather than absolutes.

                                  I'm just arguing that if anyone is going to use 10k as an absolute line and beat themselves up over finishing just outside it then they need to consider the fact that finishing top 10k out of 3.5m players is a different achievement than top 10k out of 5.5m players, and in a few years time it'll probably mean a different thing than out of 7 or 8m players.

                              2. stat
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  Sure, but that's irrelevant. If I missed out on a 0.1% finish because of a cheater, then how is it my bad planning or whatever that's the real cause?

                                  1. Deulofail
                                    • 8 Years
                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                    Not irrelevant to Rostah's comment 🙂

                                    1. stat
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        I wasn't replying to your comment, I was replying to his

                                      • Deulofail
                                        • 8 Years
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        Haha what a mix up! Damn the FFS comment layout

                                      • stat
                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                          Yeah it's really confusing... a forum would be much better

                                      • Rostah
                                        • 9 Years
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        It isn't. But putting your energy into being angry at the invisible internet person isn't going to do your mental health any good, nor your enjoyment of the game. Don't let an arbitrary number make or break your enjoyment of the game.

                              3. souleil
                                • 8 Years
                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                Most multi-accounters create their accounts not at the start of the season, but before any given gameweek. They are playing for high GWK OR for various reasons. This is proven by the huge difference in the player pool between the start of the season and the end of the season. I don't find a big issue with that.
                                As for missing out on a top 1k or 10k finish due to multi-accounters, this does not seem quite plausible. Everyone knows how hard it is to achieve a top 1k or 10k finish with a single account, let alone with multiple ones, created at the start of the season. All in all, I think it is not that big of an issue and certainly not one that would require users sending their ID to FPL towers for verification.

                                1. stat
                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                    But there are also cases of people competing for 1st who have made their multiple accounts last season / before GW 1

                          • Wild Rover
                            • 13 Years
                            5 years, 7 months ago

                            If your only interest is in ML's then it doesn't, but it's obviously a problem for people aiming for the highest OR they can get

                        2. kalmoffit
                          • 10 Years
                          5 years, 7 months ago

                          Just accept that it's only a game, if some want to cheat, that's up to their intellect.

                          1. stat
                              5 years, 7 months ago

                              To be fair that's pretty accurate. I'm sure FPL are more interested in inflating their player count than actively tracking down cheaters.

                          2. Rash
                            • 6 Years
                            5 years, 7 months ago

                            Be easier getting into fort Knox than onto fpl with all that security lol

                            Fwiw I think you should apply for a job there to clean it up.

                          3. Holmes
                            • 10 Years
                            5 years, 7 months ago

                            Blimey, so much obssession with multi-accounters!

                            and no way I'm going to give my phone number to some random site 😮

                            1. stat
                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                Honestly I don't really care if someone has 2 accounts and uses one of them in some "set and forget" mini-league but how is it fair that someone has over 100 accounts with one of them being in the top 300 players?

                                1. Holmes
                                  • 10 Years
                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                  it is not fair but why bother... I'll take some action if I'm 2nd and that #1 guy is multi-accounter, otherwise it has no benefit really,

                                  1. stat
                                      5 years, 7 months ago

                                      Well, 1 rank could be the difference between a Top 10K finish and a non-top 10K finish. I'm sure a lot of people are aiming to finish in the Top 10K and that many people have been cheated out of a Top 10K finish because of a multi-accounter that nobody ever caught.

                                      1. iCon
                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                        • 13 Years
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        I tend to agree with Holmes...unless it's costing me the overall title, I've more important things in life to worry about

                                        1. stat
                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                            Fair enough 🙂

                                            1. iCon
                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                              • 13 Years
                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                              BTW, not just costing me...if it's costing any legit player no.1 spot then FPL should be doing something - i just think retrospective action is probably much easier than tackling it on a general scale

                                              1. stat
                                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                                  I think they should make it harder for people to make tons of accounts rather than trying to find out who did that at the end of the season, because they could end up accidentally banning legitimate players who may have exhibited signs of suspicious activity (e.g. 10 accounts that had the same IP).

                                        2. maverickga
                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                          • 10 Years
                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                          Great way of thinking! Way to help the community.
                                          You might want to read Martin Niemöller's work ("first, they came...")

                                          1. Deulofail
                                            • 8 Years
                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                            Extreme

                                  2. Wild Rover
                                    • 13 Years
                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                    You say they have reset the OR of some, why not the guy in your links?

                                    1. stat
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        They are notoriously slow in responding to emails and I'm pretty sure they only bothered taking action because Mark contacted ISM last time

                                        1. Lord.
                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                          • 9 Years
                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                          I emailed them as you requested a few weeks ago, and got a reply from FPL towers saying they would look into it several days after you reported the successful deletion of several thousand multiple accounts. In other words, the best chance of a level playing field is people like you who are prepared to make the effort. I appreciate it.

                                          1. stat
                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                              Cheers, but there's only so much that someone on the outside can do. For example if that guy with 20K accounts had used different manager names / team names on each account (like he's doing now), and didn't add them to the same league, there's no chance I would have realized that they belonged to the same person.

                                              Unfortunately you're right, at the moment all we can do is look out for those who blatantly cheat and report them and hope that they're dealt with. But I really think it would be good for the integrity of FPL if they actively went after these cheaters instead of waiting for people to report them.

                                        2. BoomXhakaLacca
                                          • 5 Years
                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                          Well at least he had Fraser as second sub...18 points on his bench is a little bit of karma...

                                      • Evanio
                                        • 10 Years
                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                        Not sure why multi accounters are frowned upon. Personally spend way too much time worrying about my 1, if they have time to run milti's so be it, doesn't make their decision making any better/worse than mine tbh.

                                        1. stat
                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                            If you have 20,000 accounts you're more likely to have one account finishing in a very high position than if you have 1 account. There are so many more possible paths you can take with 20,000 accounts that it's likely that one of them will do exceptionally well.

                                        2. iCon
                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                          • 13 Years
                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                          Is there no way for them to run some sort of a check on the winning team each year, such as how many teams were set up from the IP that the winning team was set up on? I'm not very tech savvy, so if this sounds ludicrous, just ignore me 🙂

                                          1. stat
                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                              Assuming FPL stores registration IP addresses in their database then it's pretty simple to do this. However two teams having the same IP doesn't necessarily mean they're run by the same person, for example two people might have used the same device to register their teams.

                                              1. iCon
                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                • 13 Years
                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                Yeah, but as you said above we're not too bothered by someone with 2 or 3 teams - it's the ones with 10+ who are realistically the only ones you could target. For example in my house we have 4 teams, mine, my missus (which is actually a mirror of an auction team I play with FPL scoring, so super handy) and my 2 sons.

                                                1. stat
                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                    To be fair if someone had 2 or 3 teams and ended up winning FPL I'm sure a lot of people would care

                                            • Klein
                                              • 8 Years
                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                              Please delete this. Or atleast dont show it to amazon prime team. You sincerely everybody

                                            • Pasqualinho
                                              • 14 Years
                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                              It's the old monkeys with typewriters thing, isn't it? I'm assuming he's managed to automate the signing in process and picking a similar team each time - now if he can do the transfers and have enough teams to cover all of the top transfer targets then he should be close to creating something that can win FPL automatically. Kudos if he can do that, but it does somewhat take the fun out of the game for the rest of us.

                                              1. stat
                                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                                  He was actually making transfers, and different transfers too. Had it gone unnoticed he would have had a very good chance of winning FPL.

                                              2. tisza
                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                • 9 Years
                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                My 2 girls decided they wanted to join the family mini league at the last minute but we couldn't register teams for them even though they have own email addresses. Tried to register through family desktop and couldn't get accepted. Tried methods suggested on here when I posted problem but couldn't get it done.

                                                1. stat
                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                    What error were you getting?

                                                2. Totalfootball
                                                  • 7 Years
                                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                                  They didn't remove his main account ?!
                                                  Why should i be below his main account in the rankings ?!

                                                  1. stat
                                                      5 years, 7 months ago

                                                      Exactly, it's as if they only took into account player names + manager names instead of actually looking at the other information associated with the account (e.g. IP address).

                                                      1. Totalfootball
                                                        • 7 Years
                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                        That 397 points account should be removes asap

                                                  2. Xhaka_Laca
                                                    • 10 Years
                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                    In my country league(Bangladesh) somebody has 3 teams in top 20, he has few more in top 100. God knows how many teams he has in total. he had two teams in the top two spot after Sunday, now he occupies 2nd & 4th spot.
                                                    https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/leagues/standings/38/classic

                                                    Now if it doesn't affect you then I don't know what does

                                                    1. stat
                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                        Yep, he's included at the bottom of my post. I suggest reporting him to FPL.

                                                      • stat
                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                          https://ghostbin.com/paste/e75xr Here is a list of some of his accounts

                                                          1. Xhaka_Laca
                                                            • 10 Years
                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                            Reported it that day, Just got a reply from FPL.

                                                            "Sorry for the late response.

                                                            Thank you for getting in touch and indicating this to us.

                                                            We'll investigate the issue and delete any teams that show enough evidence of having the same account holder.

                                                            Regards,
                                                            Fantasy Premier League Support"

                                                            1. stat
                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                Good to see that they replied, thanks for reporting it

                                                        • KickIt
                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                          • 12 Years
                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                          1 pound entry fee and 5 million prize money.

                                                          1. stat
                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                              Would qualify as gambling, thus stopping a lot of people from countries where governments have banned gambling from taking part

                                                              1. KickIt
                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                • 12 Years
                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                1 pound entry fee and 5 million charity donation

                                                                1. stat
                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                    Good idea, but there would still be laws preventing people from entering

                                                            • The Real Big Vern
                                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                              • 13 Years
                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                              Must be nice to only have this in your life to worry about.

                                                              The inconsistency in flagging and assists is of more concern to me and that the powers who decide these things also play the game = massive conflict of interest.

                                                              1. stat
                                                                  5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                  Yeah because you totally know everything about my life from one post. Great logic.

                                                              2. mikess
                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                • 13 Years
                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                Email the links to FPL towers. Let them sort them out

                                                              3. Whats the Mata?
                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                • 9 Years
                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                What if people have more than 15 ML's?
                                                                And that's the reason people make multiple accounts?

                                                              4. Lanley Staurel
                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                • 13 Years
                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                This is such a non-issue. You reference higher up that someone has 10,000 accounts. Are you serious? Of course they haven't. I sense a deep obsession here which you need to get over and just enjoy the game. As someone else sort of intimated does it really matter if you finish in position 8,563 when in fact you should be 8,554. Of course it doesn't. And no you wont be bothered if you finish 2nd and a multi account finishes 1st as you will never finish 1st as you devote too much time to this obsession!! 🙂

                                                                1. stat
                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                    Yes I am completely serious.

                                                                    https://www.reddit.com/r/FantasyPL/comments/99xhsz/an_update_on_the_guy_who_made_thousands_of_fpl/

                                                                    This guy had at least 19,784 accounts so I wasn't exaggerating.

                                                                    1. MTPockets
                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                        Great top comment: "There's actually only 300 of us real people playing worldwide"

                                                                    2. stat
                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                        Here's a list of his accounts since you want to make baseless claims:

                                                                        https://ghostbin.com/paste/cnthh

                                                                        1. Lanley Staurel
                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                          • 13 Years
                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                          lol move on mate move on. Lifes too short.

                                                                          1. stat
                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                              If you’re not concerned about people manipulating the price changes and cheating their way to high finishes then I doubt you care that much about the game.

                                                                              1. Lanley Staurel
                                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                • 13 Years
                                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                Been playing this game since you were still in short trousers laddie 🙂

                                                                                1. stat
                                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                    How would you know how long I’ve been playing for?

                                                                                    1. Lanley Staurel
                                                                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                      • 13 Years
                                                                                      5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                      :yawnemojiwhichicantfind:

                                                                                      1. Amsterhammer
                                                                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                        • 8 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Stop trolling. That's the only pathetic thing here.

                                                                                        1. Lanley Staurel
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 13 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Never been called one of those before. Thanks. An honour. It’s called disagreeing migrating into banter in my grown up world. Hey ho.

                                                                                          1. stat
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              More like claiming that nobody had 10k accounts, and then instead of accepting that you were wrong you changed the subject.

                                                                                            • Lanley Staurel
                                                                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                              • 13 Years
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              No you were right. Well done on being right. I still don’t care, as many more wont. Some will though so start a club, get badges, start a petition, write to your MP. Good luck.

                                                                          2. DeadStarComing
                                                                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                            • 13 Years
                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                            What frustrates me is I imagine these accounts have an effect on price changes. For example, don’t these accounts add to player ownership which means it takes more transfers out for these players to drop than if everyone was just playing properly?

                                                                            1. stat
                                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                Correct, and many of these accounts are making transfers which influence the market

                                                                            2. Countess Weffie von Wobbego…
                                                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                              • 14 Years
                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                              The Telegraph game, easily the biggest at the time, was wrecked by multiple teams some years. They actually encouraged it, by making team entries cheaper the more you entered, but the result was every league being won by 'Burnley79' and so on. Would be a shame to see that happen here as well.

                                                                            3. Pacer.
                                                                              • 9 Years
                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                              I'm glad that someone is taking this seriously. And the several posters who have either directly stated or implied you need to get a life can take a long walk off a short pier. If they don't have the imagination to work out the logical end point for soneone who can already automate the creation of thousands of accounts abd have to make ad hon attacks on someone who does then that's their issue, not yours. We're not talking about Dave from The feathers who has two accounts because he wants to much about with one and play serious with the other, we are talking about people who are potentially capable of automating so many permutations that they can basically hack the game. Keep up the good work

                                                                              1. Pacer.
                                                                                • 9 Years
                                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                Should've proof read, in English that should read

                                                                                I'm glad that someone is taking this seriously. And the several posters who have either directly stated or implied you need to get a life can take a long walk off a short pier. If they don't have the imagination to work out the logical end goal for someone who can already automate the creation of thousands of accounts and instead choose to make ad hom attacks on someone who does have the vision to see the danger then that's their issue, not yours. We're not talking about Dave from The feathers who has two accounts because he wants to muck about with one and play serious with the other, we are talking about people who are potentially capable of automating so many permutations that they can basically hack the game. Keep up the good work

                                                                                1. stat
                                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                    Right, if it goes unchecked it could ruin the game.

                                                                                  • Deulofail
                                                                                    • 8 Years
                                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                    I agree the game would be better without these multimultiaccount players. My initial questions were genuine; I wanted to know what the issue was. But of course, I got upvoted, presumably by people who wanted to take the opposing side to Stats' position, because my post was the first that seemed to question him 😀 People are seemingly getting very emotional about this for no reason. But then, every opinion tends to be construed as an attack or defence in internet comment sections. (Especially the ones that are obviously attacks! haha). "Society" these days...

                                                                                    P.S. I hope I can prove to you that I have a reasonable imagination. The seas are cooling down, and I don't fancy a swim in the English channel right now 🙁 😉

                                                                                    1. stat
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        The main response I’ve got from people who don’t think that this is a problem is basically “who cares, this isn’t a real problem”.

                                                                                        I don’t think they understand that right now there could be people out there with thousands of accounts who we’ll never know about, making transfers and manipulating price changes, and causing people to finish lower than they would have finished.

                                                                                        I don’t really care that much about people having a 2nd set and forget team even though it’s against the rules and I wouldn’t have spent so much time on this issue had I not found “multimultiaccounters”.

                                                                                        If you don’t care about it, great, but do keep in mind that if this goes unchecked it can seriously mess up the game for everyone else.

                                                                                        1. Deulofail
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Sure. I'm glad you're on board with the multimultiacount terminology 😀 Here's a response to myself that I had already written before refreshing to check for a reply:

                                                                                          I'm not convinced by the majority of solutions proposed. Particularly any form of verification.

                                                                                          I'm also not convinced that manual intervention from us, the players, by reporting every dodgy account (or group of accounts) we see is worth the effort. I appreciate that Stats is trying to help (Thanks Stats), but I tend to lean towards finding a route cause and changing the system (yes I'm left-leaning, sorry!).

                                                                                          In other words, perhaps the best course of action is to put pressure on FPL towers to do something about it. I wouldn't want the responsibility of seeking out and reporting accounts to fall to a select group of vigilantes. It seems pretty unfair for those people (though it's their choice how they live their lives) and also seems likely to be inefficient and ineffective.

                                                                                          I don't really have any solutions to propose myself, besides suggesting that FPL community league creators (e.g. YT stars, cash leagues, etc) themselves stress that they will police for multi accounts (if possible), so that there is no incentive to create the accounts to win prizes in these minileagues.

                                                                                          If Stats' description of the effects of CAPTCHA are correct, then this seems feasable, though I would only personally endorse this begrudgingly, since I believe FPL should be as accessible as possible. It can be hard enough to get friends over the hurdle of making a GW1 team each year, though playing against friends is the most enjoyable part for me, so any boundary, no matter how small, can deflect potential FPL addicts of the future.

                                                                                          Then flagging via IP address is the main option remaining for me. I'm assuming this is the kind of thing they already do? I really don't know, but it would require staff to be paid money for this to be effective, and I very against a fee for FPL entry for the above reasons. Still, putting pressure on FPL to do something about it is more like to to have an effect than doing nothing, and could be the best use of energy for those willing to sacrifice their time for the cause imo.

                                                                                          Once again, this is a worthy HT and I would like to extend my appreciation to those who put any energy at all into trying to combat multimultiaccounts.

                                                                                          1. stat
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              The problem with policing for multiple accounts is that there's only so much that we can do. If somebody made 20K accounts and used different team names and manager names without any significant overlap, and didn't add them to the same league, then it would be incredibly hard for anybody on the outside to realize that these seemingly unconnected 20K accounts were being managed by the same person.

                                                                                              I'm sure FPL have staff members that are paid so I don't see the issue in adding a few more internal checks to make it harder for people making loads of accounts. Flagging by IP address can only go so far because people can use proxies to make many accounts.

                                                                                              I'm not sure what the optimal solution is but surely people saying "Who cares?" aren't helping.

                                                                                  • alexmj
                                                                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                    • 9 Years
                                                                                    5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                    Who cares? I don't have time to run more than one team

                                                                                    1. stat
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        I care, because if someone makes tens of thousands of accounts they can manipulate the transfer market and cause people to finish lower than they would have. If this goes unchecked it will ruin the game.

                                                                                        1. alexmj
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 9 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Life's too short to worry about this. I've never given it a thought

                                                                                          1. stat
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              Okay

                                                                                            • Amsterhammer
                                                                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                              • 8 Years
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              You care enough to post here to state you don't care. Silly little troll.

                                                                                              1. Lanley Staurel
                                                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                                • 13 Years
                                                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                                Seriously mate grow up it’s called disagreeing. Serious yawn fest.

                                                                                              2. alexmj
                                                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                                • 9 Years
                                                                                                5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                                Haha

                                                                                      • Monkey Hanger
                                                                                        • 10 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        You have podcasts like WGTA encouraging people to have more than one account with their Zombie league.
                                                                                        No difference in these and those with multiaccounts.
                                                                                        Either throw them all out, or imo forget about it.

                                                                                        1. Amsterhammer
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Zombie teams can't manipulate prices. 20,000 accounts can.

                                                                                          1. stat
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              True but zombie teams could still win GW prizes even though it’s unlikely.

                                                                                        2. martrayf
                                                                                          • 13 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          My issue with FPL accounts are the ones that make ridiculous amounts of transfers each week affecting players values and making them unattainable for somebody who is trying to play the game properly.

                                                                                        3. Ógie
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 11 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Thanks for highlighting this issue Stat.

                                                                                          Hopefully someday fpl will adopt some of the measures you have listed and if i had my way all of them to try to keep the cheats away from what is a great game.

                                                                                        4. livingbeetroot
                                                                                          • 7 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          I've never been fussed about OR, I'm in a few mini-leagues with people I know, which is my only glory, But it does bug me when you look at the best score each week and it's someone who has created a team just for that week. It also bugs me that they show a table of 'Most Valuable Teams' which is just a table of people who take 7/8 hits every week. Also, why are cucumbers suddenly so expensive? People who don't cover their mouths when they cough. Get off my lawn.

                                                                                      • dunas_dog
                                                                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                        • 8 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Ings to Zaha or Wilson for a hit or keep Ings and play AWB this week ?

                                                                                        1. OHYEAH
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Depends who you want for longer term... don't recommend making a transfer based on just one week

                                                                                        2. grumpyman
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          I'm happy to bench Ings for one week, he's probably the best value forward in the game. That extra million really helps with a better bench/beefier defence.

                                                                                      • camarozz
                                                                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                        • 9 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        I did my WC at week end. 84 pts

                                                                                        Patricio

                                                                                        Mendy/PVA/Alonso

                                                                                        Dilva/Mane/Haz/Maddison

                                                                                        Kun /Mitrovic/Wilson

                                                                                        Bench
                                                                                        Hamer/AWB/Doherty/Hughes

                                                                                        I for one don't mind a really strong bench..
                                                                                        23 pts on bench but the way rotation is lately I think it's great to have good players to fall back on. Don't be afraid to have a strong bench is what I'm saying.

                                                                                        1. camarozz
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 9 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Or a benching headache. There will always be a surprise omission imo

                                                                                          1. Klein
                                                                                            • 8 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            As long as it dosnt physically give you headaches its awesome

                                                                                        2. Iceball
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 9 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Well done

                                                                                      • Arctic monkeys
                                                                                        • 10 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Predictions for

                                                                                        Liverpool Paris
                                                                                        Inter Spurs

                                                                                        1. Bury94
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 6 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          3-1
                                                                                          1-14

                                                                                          1. Bury94
                                                                                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                            • 6 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            1-14? Hahaha! Meant 1-1

                                                                                            1. Azathoth
                                                                                              • 9 Years
                                                                                              5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                              No u meant 1-14.

                                                                                        2. internal error
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 11 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          3-1
                                                                                          1-2

                                                                                        3. KingOllie
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          1-3

                                                                                          1-2

                                                                                        4. caldracula
                                                                                          • 8 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          1-1
                                                                                          1-1

                                                                                        5. Goat
                                                                                          • 6 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          3-1 (hopefully)
                                                                                          1-1 (probably)

                                                                                      • Jules Rimet
                                                                                        • 5 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Getting a 2nd striker inbetween Aguero and Ings:

                                                                                        A. Zaha
                                                                                        B. Mitrovic
                                                                                        C. Vardy
                                                                                        D. Wilson

                                                                                        1. internal error
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 11 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          A for now

                                                                                      • internal error
                                                                                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                        • 11 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        I wish you were able to see beyond 5 games in the fixture ticker ( unless you can and i'm just being thick )

                                                                                        1. iCon
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 13 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Members can!

                                                                                          1. internal error
                                                                                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                            • 11 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            oh right. I've been a member for last two years and thought I could do it previously.

                                                                                        2. Holmes
                                                                                          • 10 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Members area

                                                                                          1. internal error
                                                                                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                            • 11 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            Sneaky

                                                                                      • StoichkovFPL
                                                                                        • 8 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Aguero spoted at City training ground...no Mendy there atm.

                                                                                        1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
                                                                                          • 9 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          Mendy is just running late

                                                                                          1. kalmoffit
                                                                                            • 10 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            He's running late out of my team

                                                                                      • Bat Man
                                                                                        • 6 Years
                                                                                        5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                        Reckon Walcott dropping tonight?

                                                                                        1. internal error
                                                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                                          • 11 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          yes

                                                                                          1. Bat Man
                                                                                            • 6 Years
                                                                                            5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                            Cheers thanks

                                                                                        2. Wild Rover
                                                                                          • 13 Years
                                                                                          5 years, 7 months ago

                                                                                          It would appear so but I'd bet many of those sellers are on WC, I doubt he is that much of a priority to people using their free transfers, in which case he may not fall.