Scout Notes

Shaqiri sinks Man United as Wolves finally keep clean sheet

Liverpool returned to the summit of the Premier League with their impressive 3-1 win over Manchester United on Sunday afternoon.

While the usual suspects had little Fantasy involvement against the Red Devils, there were still plenty of lessons to be learned.

Meanwhile, there was finally defensive returns for Wolves after a long few months as the problems at Bournemouth worsen.

We’ve got all the Fantasy talking points from both matches in this Scout Notes article.

Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United

Goals: Sadio Mané (£9.6m), Xherdan Shaqiri x2 (£7.1m) | Jesse Lingard (£6.7m)

Assists: Fabinho (£5.5m)

Xherdan Shaqiri (£7.1m) showed once again just how much he loves playing at Anfield after he emerged from the bench to beat Manchester United on Sunday afternoon. After starting the five matches prior to Gameweek 17, he was named among the substitutes for the first time since Gameweek 11, but that didn’t stop him from producing an impressive display. Such was the quality of his contribution, Shaqiri was able to secure all three bonus points despite being on the pitch for just 20 minutes. Four of his five Premier League goals this season (and two of his four assists) have now come in front of the Anfield faithful, making him a serious prospect for Liverpool home matches. His recent involvement has set him up as a potential alternative to the more expensive options around him in the Liverpool squad, and the fact that he can even produce 14-point hauls off the bench is massively in his favour too.

Unfortunately for those expecting an instant follow-up to Mohamed Salah‘s (£13.1m) hat-trick against Bournemouth, he had a quiet game compared to many of his team-mates. Despite playing as the centre-forward once again, the Egyptian did not have a single shot inside the Manchester United penalty area and two of his team-mates registered more total goal attempts. Furthermore, he ranked third among Liverpool players for chances created too. It was a performance that might have helped some managers make the decision to move him on with options such as Eden Hazard (£11.0m) or Leroy Sané (£9.6m) offering better captain potential over Christmas.

Generally, though, Liverpool looked more like their former attacking selves against their arch-rivals, especially in the opening 30 minutes. Across the whole game, they made a mockery of Manchester United’s shot count, besting them by a total of 36 to six.

“The brilliant start was one of the best performances we had since I’m in Liverpool, to be honest, not only this season. The first half an hour was outstanding, outstanding.” – Jurgen Klopp

Roberto Firmino (£9.2m) was in an inspired mood, firing off no fewer than seven efforts in the penalty area. He was unfortunate not to come away with any attacking returns. His pass to Salah late in the second-half was diverted away from the Egyptian by Nemanja Matić (£5.0m) into the path of Shaqiri for his second goal, meaning he did not get the assist for it.

There was another excellent display from Andrew Robertson (£6.5m), even if he only emerged with two points. He was unfortunate not to register any attacking returns as he created four chances in the match, afforded plenty of space on Liverpool’s left-flank. As we know, his delivery was once again very consistent. He also proved how capable he is at both ends of the pitch too, making a crucial second-half interception to keep the score level when Romelu Lukaku (£10.7m) was lurking at the back-post for Manchester United.

“If you want, yes (when asked if Robertson symbolises the growth of Liverpool’s team under Klopp). So what we did today was change it a little bit. We brought Sadio on the right side and Naby was in the half-space, so that’s how we opened [the game]. Man United was playing rather man-orientated, and that’s why Robbo had space and he obviously used that really well. He’s in a good moment, honestly, and that helps as well.” – Jurgen Klopp

Also impressing was right-back Nathaniel Clyne (£4.5m) who came into the side for his first Premier League appearance since May 2017. It was exactly the kind of performance Jurgen Klopp could have asked for with recent defensive injuries. Trent Alexander-Arnold (£5.3m) is highly unlikely to be involved in the next few matches while Joe Gomez (£5.0m) and Joel Matip (£4.9m) are also out. That actually means that for a portion of Christmas, Clyne could prove an excellent budget route into the Liverpool defence at just £4.5m. Klopp was full of praise for him, claiming that he has trained as a true professional in his time out of the side, despite not having much of a look-in. It is worth saying that the cross for Manchester United’s goal, only the second conceded in the Premier League at Anfield this year, came down Clyne’s side of the pitch, although the fault was more that of goalkeeper Alisson (£5.7m) than anyone else. That mistake aside, there was nothing major to suggest that Liverpool won’t continue to deliver defensive returns in the coming weeks.

“Nathaniel Clyne: his first [Premier League] game of the season in mid-December and he plays with that performance. We were not one second sure that he can play the 90 minutes, [but] obviously it was no problem and he could do it. It was brilliant the way he adapted to the style and stuff like this after not being involved at all. Since I am in, he played [close to] 100 or something games or so, then he got a bad injury and then he was out. It doesn’t help. In this moment, Trent came out, Joe got injured and stuff like that. Life and the situation changed. You can train at the highest level and you have still to wait. Is that nice? No. Is it a job? Yes. Because Clyney did that and trained at a really high level, he could perform like he performed tonight, which was just amazing.” – Jurgen Klopp

James Milner (£5.6m) missed out on the big match due to a muscle problem.

“(Milner) felt his muscle a little bit so we cannot take the risk.” – Jurgen Klopp

Manchester United rarely looked like causing Liverpool much trouble at Anfield and it truly felt inevitable that they would be beaten. That says a lot about the state Jose Mourinho’s men are in. Paul Pogba (£7.8m) was benched for the fourth time in six matches as the Red Devils’ boss preferred to use Matic, Jesse Lingard (£6.7m) and Ander Herrera (£5.0m) in central midfield.

“I am happy with Matic, Lingard and Herrera. I think the team lately with Herrera, Matic and Lingard, the team lost some qualities but at the same time we became more aggressive, more simple and more intense without the ball and that is what I think we need to play a fast team like Liverpool is.” – Jose Mourinho

It says a lot about Mourinho’s relationship with the media, and his consideration for Fantasy managers that so many of the players he named in the side to face Liverpool were either yellow or red-flagged before kick-off. In fact, every member of the back-four he initially went with fitted that description. Chris Smalling (£5.6m) and the previously unavailable Victor Lindelöf (£4.8m) were chosen at centre-back although the former was forced to withdraw following an injury in the warm-up, replaced by Eric Bailly (£5.0m). Matteo Darmian (£4.6m) was used at left-back again with Ashley Young (£5.7m) on the right, while Diogo Dalot (£5.3m) spent the first 45 minutes operating on the right of midfield, before being replaced by Marouane Fellaini (£4.9m). That was when Mourinho shifted to a more traditional 4-3-3.

“They gave absolutely everything. Honest people, they gave absolutely everything. Eric Bailly knows he is playing one minute before the game. [Victor] Lindelof trained one day to play, [Diogo] Dalot trained one day to play, [Matteo] Darmian trained one day to play, Ashley Young played with a sore ankle, I could go on and on and on. I repeat I am really, really happy with the players I had on the pitch with their attitude, with their effort, I am more than happy. Because I am more than happy I assume the responsibilities of the defeat and I want them to be hidden behind me.” – Jose Mourinho

Liverpool XI (4-4-1-1): Alisson; Robertson, van Dijk, Lovren, Clyne; Keïta (Shaqiri 70′), Fabinho, Wijnaldum, Mané (Henderson 84′); Firmino; Salah.

Manchester United XI (4-1-4-1): De Gea; Young, Lindelöf, Bailly, Darmian; Rashford, Matić, Herrera (Martial 79′), Dalot (Fellaini 45′); Lingard (Mata 85′); Lukaku.

Wolves 2-0 Bournemouth

Goals: Raúl Jiménez (£6.2m), Ivan Cavaleiro (£5.2m)

Assists: Diogo Jota (£5.9m), Helder Costa (£4.8m)

Wolves appear to be very much back on track in terms of both Premier League results but also FPL appeal, as they strung together their third successive win. Bournemouth were the latest side to be defeated by Nuno Espirito Santo’s newly-promoted outfit, the Molineux hosts completely deserved winners according to the expected data that can be found in the Fantasy Football Scout members area.

Raúl Jiménez (£6.2m) continued as Wolves’ main goal threat, offering great value in the mid-price striker bracket. His first-half goal was a fifth of the season for the Mexican and his sixth goal involvement since Gameweek 11. It will be interesting to see what he can deliver against Liverpool (home), Tottenham (away) and Manchester City (away) between now and Gameweek 22, after he scored points against both Spurs and Arsenal last month. Gameweek 19 and 21 matches against Fulham (away) and Crystal Palace (home) look like excellent opportunities for more attacking returns for Jiménez, who only grows in popularity week by week.

“This season we have scored more goals in the second half, so it was important for us to manage the game after scoring in the first half. I saw Diogo was going to shoot/cross and that’s the reason I was waiting there in the perfect moment to be there and to score.” – Raúl Jiménez

Of particular interest for those invested in Wolves was the fact that they picked up their first clean sheet since Gameweek 8. There were three factors which contributed to this. The first was a surprise, but welcome, return for left-back Jonny (£4.3m) who came back earlier than expected from what was believed to be a fairly serious injury. Secondly, Bournemouth started a second match in a row without Callum Wilson (£6.9m) in the starting line-up and suffered for it. The striker did come on for a 32-minute cameo but offered little. In fact, Bournemouth sit bottom for shots inside the box and efforts on target across the last four Gameweeks. Finally, Nuno revealed after the game that securing a clean sheet had been a specific aim set before his team for Gameweek 17, so everything they did against Bournemouth was done with that in mind.

“We want to build a shape which is versatile and adaptable enough to any opposition required. There were moments when we had good possession of the ball and counter-attacked, but all the game we defended well. The first principle is a clean sheet which is very important. Everyone was working together as a team because the only solution is to defend and attack as a team.” – Nuno Espirito Santo.

New owners of Matt Doherty (£5.1m) were rewarded at the first time of asking with that clean sheet, although the marauding right-back did not offer as much attacking threat as usual. He did not record any efforts on goal and played no key passes either. That was very much in keeping with the aims that Nuno had set for the game, Wolves opting to stay tight and organised rather than stretch their shape.

Nuno actually diverted from his usual 3-4-3 formation to go with a 3-4-1-2 for the match. Youngster Morgan Gibbs-White (£4.3m) came in for Helder Costa (£4.8m) to play in a number 10 role and proved a key part of the Wolves attack. Although Costa came on at half-time and created more chances in 45 minutes than any other player in the entire game, putting up the assist for Ivan Cavaleiro‘s (£5.2m) stoppage-time strike.

Diogo Jota (£5.9m) continued his impressive form and delivered on the faith shown by Adam in our latest Scoutcast. On the back of him being tipped both on the show and in our Spot the Differential article for Gameweek 17, Jota chalked up a second assist in two matches, the fourth goal he has been involved in since Gameweek 15. The 22-year-old FPL midfielder has now started the last three in a row, although he was pulled off at half-time with an injury.

“We have to check. He was not able to continue the game. We have received the immediate information but now we have to assess him and the doctor has to assess him. We hope it’s not too serious.” – Nuno Espirito Santo

Bournemouth’s aforementioned problems in front of goal ensured they went back-to-back games without finding the net for the first time in the Premier League this season. It is almost certainly no coincidence that such a feat was achieved when Wilson was absent from the starting line-up for two matches in a row.

If the England striker can recover his full fitness to start at home against Brighton in Gameweek 18, he is probably worth holding onto, as is Ryan Fraser (£6.3m). The Seagulls remain the worst side for defending set pieces in away matches this season, where both Wilson and Fraser excel for goal threat and creativity respectively. It will be the perfect opportunity for Eddie Howe and his struggling Cherries to get out of a two-game winless streak.

The injury problems worsened for Bournemouth this weekend though. Simon Francis (£4.4m) was ruled out with a hip injury while Tyrone Mings (£4.3m) picked up a back injury at Molineux. With so many fitness problems either in defence or central midfield, it is no surprise that only Burnley have allowed more goal attempts in the penalty box as Bournemouth in the last four Gameweeks. Furthermore, no team has conceded more goals in that time either.

“We’re in a difficult spell with injuries, we lost Simon Francis this week and Tyrone Mings during the game. He was in a lot of pain, I haven’t spoken to him before this press conference but it’s a knock in his back but it left him in a lot of pain. Hopefully, he’ll be OK. The last thing he wanted to do was to come off, there was no way he could continue. It’s a difficult spell for us, we’ve lost key players and we’re stretched defensively but it’s a challenge for us to rise to.” – Eddie Howe

Wolves XI (3-4-1-2): Patrício; Boly, Coady, Bennett; Jonny, Neves, Moutinho, Doherty; Gibbs-White (Saïss 75′); Jota (Costa 45′), Jiménez (Cavaleiro 89′).

Bournemouth XI (3-4-2-1): Begović; Mings (Rico 36′), Aké, Cook; Daniels, Lerma, Surman, Ibe (Wilson 58′); Fraser, Stanislas (Mousset 80′); King.

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  1. Talking about Alonso
    Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Guys - we need to talk about Marcos Alonso.

    There's been a tangible uptick in the Alonso-out sentiment recently, increasing as week each passes without a goal. Frequently cited justifications include everything from "Luiz is better value", to "Sarri reigned him in after GW4'', all the way over to 'he's just too expensive'

    Where do you stand on his FPL viability? Is he the real deal? Or a poor value pick who cheaper defenders can easily compensate for allowing a better team overall? My own personal stance is he is the best defender to ever be available in FPL, one of the all time best FPL players, and from my cold dead hands would he ever be leaving my team, and i will share with you why:

    Going by the eye test is (as with all players) the best way to evaluate Alonso - some recent incidences spring to mind which reassured me that his decreased (potential for) attacking returns is a myth:

    - He nearly scored from Haz’s corner v West Ham late in the match
    - He was on the post for Rudiger's goal v Utd (could have poked a toe at it but didn’t - not picked up by stats)
    - Hit woodwork & drew 2 unbelievable saves from Pickford v Everton
    - He was on the post for Luiz’s goal v Man City - again not picked up by stats
    - Hit woodwork yesterday
    - Probably many, many others that I'm missing

    In addition to these he has scored 1 & setup 7 & kept 8 cleansheets in 17 games this season. He has 14 goals, 14 assist, 36 clean sheets, and 40 baps in 81 games. He has just hit 100 points and we're not yet halfway through the season.

    Is it appropriate that a huge part of the anti-Alonso analysis also hinges on his first four games, and how Sarri has forbidden him from scoring or assisting from then onwards?

    When in fact he has still been getting a silly amount of chances for a defender, many of which are not actually picked up by the stats (see above - his role on the post at corners is very rarely captured statistically, and will result in goals sooner or later)

    Or is it perhaps that his first 4 weeks of points somehow shouldn't be included and should be ignored, rather than contributing to the OR of his owners and being an indicator of what he is capable of?

    It's particularly interesting to note - if he had maintained that first 4 weeks of scoring, he would get 418 points in a 38 game season, and I for one am not going to hold failing to achieve 400 points against any player, let alone one who costs 7.0!

    So where do you stand on the Golden God that is Marcos Alonso? Should we hold his first 4 weeks against him? Perhaps we should ignore Hazard's 27 points in his first 4 weeks? Or Salah's 27? Or Kun's 30?

    Or should we look at the list of more expensive players he is outscoring, and count our blessings that we live in an age where this FPL treasure is someone available for selection in our teams!

    1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      D.Luiz has as many points worth of attacking returns as him since GW4, not for me anymore, did enjoy his early-season hauls though!

    2. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I read the first line and this is my response.

      Haven't owned Alonso all season and won't be getting either.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        There are quite a few folks who would share this position I imagine

    3. Rhodes your boat
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Haven’t thought much about dropping him will keep hoping

    4. WE ARE RANGERS
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      robbo has more points per minute, doherty more points per million, luiz is close to him for a lot less. trent is closeish for nearly 2 million less

      1. WE ARE RANGERS
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        but you are right, alonso is a great pick

      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Its an interesting way to evaluate that group of players. For me Doherty & Robertson are right up there with Alonso as non-negotiable members of any FPL defence:

        On Points per million:

        Alonso - 100/6.5 = 15.4
        Robbo - 97/6.0 = 16.1
        Doherty - 80/4.5 = 17.7
        TAA - 73/5.0 = 14.6
        Luiz - 75/13.6 = 13.6

        On points per appearance:

        Alonso - 100/17 = 5.9
        Robbo - 97/15 = 6.5
        Doherty - 80/17 = 4.7
        TAA - 73/13 = 5.6
        Luiz - 75/16 = 4.7

        The important thing to remember with points per million is that despite it getting MORE difficult with a higher price tag, Alonso is still >15.0 which is an absolutely obscene level of scoring. So the argument that you can build a better team overall by going with a 5.0 instead of Alonso and investing 1.5m elsewhere doesn't really hold water for me.

        That 1.5m is going further up the pitch - where you'll be doing well to get 10 points per million for it:

        Haz - 116/10.5 = 11.0
        Sterling - 112/11.0 = 10.1
        Salah - 113/13.0 = 8.7

    5. FPL Pillars
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Let people sell I don’t care. Game is about personal judgement, some people lack patience. Depends on team structure, different people different ways of setting up.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I understand but to a certain extent disagree with the 'different strokes for different folks' when it comes to Alonso - I struggle to think of an FPL team that couldn't be improved by adding Alonso

    6. Deulofail
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      He's hit the woodwork more than any other player in the prem this season (4 times to Aguero's 3). He's really not a priority to ship with decent chances for cleanies each week, unless he gets dropped. I'd happily sell if the fixtures were more turbulent, but any alternatives will be likely rotation risks too, so I'd probably have to see Alonso dropped for 2 consecutive weeks before I get rid, unless I have 2FTs and nothing much else to do.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        His fixtures are lovely for the next few weeks - LEI, wat, cpl, SOU, NEW - so provided Sarri doesn't start him in the league cup it looks all set for his rejuvenation & his march towards the 200 point mark

    7. George Sillett
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Sarri is getting increasingly annoyed with him and Chelsea are actively looking to sign a replacement in the January transfer window. The fans were incensed when he was offered a new contract. His days are numbered.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        He does have a well acknowledged boom-bust cycle that catches sellers out time & time again - usually at the bottom of this cycle the anti-Alonso sentiment is at its strongest, before his latent attacking threat translates back into FPL returns once again and the scramble begins to either justify not having him, or tear up a team to fit him in.

        1. George Sillett
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          All is not harmony at The Bridge.
          Don't get me wrong he is an outstanding FPL asset but I really do question now for how much longer.

    8. Modest Bob
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Damn bro you wrote all that it seems for no reason. You owe me 5 minutes of my life.

      My answer is B for what its worth.

    9. Pilgrim62
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I keep Alonso since GW2 and never think about to lose him

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Amen brother

    10. FourLokoLeipzig
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I cashed in a few weeks back, he looks a shadow of the player he was 12 months ago. Sure he’ll do fine, but if I do get a Chelsea defender back, it’s more likely to be Luiz at this point

    11. mixology
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Nice read. I’m keeping because of the fixtures and don’t see a need for money by downgrading. This season has shown that he’s not the only premium defender worth owning so I could see selling him, just not at this time with the fixtures. Hoping the fixtures lead to clean sheets as they seem hard to come by these days for any club. Also, person opinion but he looks hungry for attacking returns judging by his visual frustration after not getting on scoresheet.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Very much agree - in the chelsea games i watched since GW4 i'm struggling to remember one where he hasn't came close to scoring - he really is victim of his own success in the first 4 GW's

        1. mixology
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          He actually tweeted @officialfpl once about not being given an assist a month or 2 ago. Probably cares more now about attacking returns as he’s getting stick for his defending

    12. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Starting to get twitchy. He's okay. He's like any premium priced defender. If he played for City or Liverpool, he'd be more valuable. But at Chelsea, who are less defensively solid, he really needs those attacking returns to justify his price tag.

      Trent is better, Doherty too, and if you pick up some teams on form like WHU and fill the rest out, you can spend more up top which is pretty huge.

      I'm tempted for sure to nix him and get funds for Sane (and Sterling)

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        My advice would be don't blink first - be patient & he'll more than justify it

        1. vassiriki
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          you just seem to be exaggerating his potential i believe. at 7.0 that seems to me he must be the no.1 (stats-wise) bw. defenders. his ranking for goal threat this season at all pl matches is:
          total shots 1
          shots in box 5
          shots on target 16

          chances created 7
          bcc 13
          assists 3
          total assists 1
          imho, there are far better alternatives to alonso. robertson might be considered essential or doherty. not alonso. his goals and assists will come but not at a rate that will justify his price tag. considering he got his major hauls bw. gw1-4 i dont think he will get as many as goals and assists

          1. vassiriki
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            not mix numbers with actual numbers, they are his ranking! so hes very lucky to be no.1 at assists when considered his ranking for cc is 7

    13. The 5% Team
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Yes, I sold him this week even though Chelsea have nice fixtures coming up. So much better value defenders around and want the money to go big in midfield

      1. Winners900
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Haha, I have not once considered selling him. I know what he is capable of, he can suddenly explode with 2 goals and people will be desperate to get him in.

        Never sell, never captain.

    14. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Bought him back after selling only to cover off moni league rivals and have “cheap nailed” Chelsea coverage.

    15. DMP
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Alonso won’t go anywhere. Soon he will get those attacking returns, it’s just a matter of time.

    16. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I got rid two weeks ago to free up funds. I hate every second of Chelsea games now in the fear he's gonna score or assist and troll me all over again.

    17. Desperately Seeking Dusan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      If you exclude the first three weeks he’s not even the highest scoring Chelsea defender let alone amongst all FPL players. And others such as Robbo have been rotated.

      “Nearly”, “could have”, these are all irrelevant. It’s what HAS been done. If I played up front front Man City I’d get loads of “could haves” but it doesn’t make me any more likely to score the next time around.

      You absolutely have to exclude the early weeks. So often on this site I see people compare players by simply looking at a total and dividing by the number of games. What relevance do games 15 weeks ago have to today? Nothing. Especially when the opposition was so weak. It’s a general point in fact, but given we generally look at fixtures 4-5 games in advance, there’s no reason to look beyond the last 4-5 gameweeks previous when comparing for so many reasons. Not least, this is a better representation of form and also, of how the team is faring.

      Will Alonso be one of the top scoring defenders? Of course. But it’s a bit like the Kane and Salah discussion. Can they all get points and be amongst the top scorers? Yes. But can you down grade Alonso, Salah and Kane by 2-3M and use that money to upgrade another player to get a higher overall score? Absolutely. It’s probable in fact.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Absolutely agree - it’s what HAS been done that counts - and he HAS been he highest scoring defender in the game this season.

        He HAS outscored a long list of more expensive forwards and midfielders.

        Taking the 4-5 game theory into practise - Salah had 17 points in the 5 games before his hattrick. Hazard had 20 points in SEVEN gameweeks before GW16. Alonso has actually scored more points than Kane & Kun & is level with Auba - this is what this guy is capable of - scoring 40 point season in his first 4 weeks does not make him a bad player.

      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Additionally - would you not agree that “nearly” and “could have” are two of the single most important factors when evaluating FUTURE returns for FPL players?

        This is the essence of the eye test - the players that are getting in scoring positions, getting chances, creating chances - difference is Alonso accompanies it with a healthy dose of cold hard FPL returns 16 G/A/CS in 17 games + 14 baps for good measure.

        What’s not to like?

      3. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Hmmm. It's the "maybes" and "could haves" that help us predict future success or failure. If you base your projections (formally or casually) on the FPL points returns or numbers of goals/assists, you're probably not going to be very good at seeing where the points are likely to come from in the future. If you played up from for ManCity, I'd buy you if you were cheap enough, because you're likely to get lots of "maybe" moments that could become goals.

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          up front*

        2. Daft Bob
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          You took the words our my mouth. It's about predictions not hindsight.

          Like real markets, the price reflects risk. Higher price = lower risk. He's basically David Luiz + more attacking returns, so the incremental risk is the additional attacking returns over David Luiz. Is that worth 1m? I'd say so. But it depends what you do with the other 1m.

      4. harvard
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        It is what he has done and you excluded weeks when he has been explosive. Lol.

    18. penman26
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      tbh at the end of the season he will be one of the highest scoring players in the game let along just the defenders, if all the defenders were equal price you would pick alonso everytime.

      Alonso will outscore Luiz over next 5 so good luck to those going without i will enjoy passing you in the rankings 🙂

    19. caldracula
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I never owned Alonso in any of my previous seasons, I’ve owned him for the most of this season and having my best season yet. Coincidence? Nah.

    20. pjomara
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      His defensive ability has dropped way back. Is now targeted by opposition teams as the weak link in Chelseas defense. Surely only a matter of time before he gets dropped. His former clubs Bolton and Sunderland should put a bid in for him in January.

      1. mixology
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Hmm yeah I just see him desperate to get on the scoresheet to stick it to his critics. I’m going to predict attacking returns incoming in one of next 2 fixtures Pretty sure he got his 21 point haul vs Leicester 2 seasons back who Chelsea play next.

      2. harvard
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Did you watch Emerson last game after rumours of Alonso being dropped came out? Did you hear Sarris press? Alonso isn't close to losing his spot

    21. Toblerone52 - Zlatan Ibra-H…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Sold him on wildcard 2 weeks ago.

      Haven't been punished yet but it can be hard watching Chelsea games when he starts bombing forward!

    22. tucaoneo
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Alonso is so freaking annoying to watch. Against Brighton when Pedro tapped in Hazard's assist, he was standing right in front of the goal and not reacting. Then he hit the woodwork in the second half. Then he lost his CS and got a yellow. All in all one could say he lost 11 ((or more) points on Alonso because of those.

      Sometimes people say 'could've', 'should've' to justify holding on to some player. People said Kun wasted so many chances and surely another hat trick was coming soon. The next thing you know, Kun missed out completely, for so many weeks. Patience is not always justified.

      I don't have a particularly good plan with him. Whatever I do could backfire. If the FA decide to ban him 3 matches tomorrow they could be doing me a favor.

      In terms of being dropped by Sarri, no, Sarri don't drop players. If you listened to him in the past few weeks, he was acknowledging that Alonso was sometimes poor, but at the same time implicitly defending him.

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Very odd. Kun was injured, which means he was unlikely to have done well if he wasn't injured?

        A decision is either good or bad. The result is irrelevant to whether the decision was good or bad, given the information you had at the time.

        I don't think you can justify keeping someone because it "could" go wrong to sell. And if something sometimes isn't rewarded, it doesn't mean that something is bad. There's probability either way; it's not a zero-sum game. Use that to your advantage

        People holding on to Aguero were "unlucky". Their justification wasn't unjustified. It's just the "dark side of probability". Bring back that quote!

      2. CLL - Captain Leader Legend
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Alonso would've been flagged offside if he interfered with Hazard's assist for Pedro's goal vs Brighton

      3. harvard
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Lol. He was offside and you wanted him to react?? Lol? And ruin the chance because of selfishness??

    23. SC not pearls before swine
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I sold him on my wildcard. Alonso's a monster, and could easily end up with ~5 goals, 10 assists and close to 200 points by the end of the year so I understand the risk. But there are a lot of value defenders elsewhere so I was comfortable going without for now. I also do worry a little about some rotation with Emerson. I could wind up getting Alonso back eventually when I break up the Salah/Kane combo that's currently eating up most of my budget.

    24. DeadStarComing
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Alonso will likely be the top scoring defender in FPL this season. The same way Salah will likely be the top scoring midfielder. And the same way the likes of Kane or Aguero will probably be the top scoring forward. The question is what people perceive as good value in each position. The reason why I mention the other positions is because surely if you're of the mindset Kane or Salah are not good value for money then surely Alonso isn't either. The will be players a lot cheaper that score very close to what he achieves.

      I personally prefer to go cheaper in defence and spend more on the attacking positions. A big factor for this is having strong captain options each week. I prefer to go with the likes of TAA, Doherty, Digne etc. and spend my money on owning the likes of Salah, Sterling, Kane and Aubameyang (I own all 4 currently).

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        "surely if you're of the mindset Kane or Salah are not good value for money then surely Alonso isn't either."

        Where are you getting this logical connection from? I can easily consider a world in which:

        1. Kane and Aguero are the top scoring forwards
        2. Salah is the top scoring midfielder
        3. Alonso is the top scoring defender
        4. Alonso is better "value" than Kane and Salah

        Why would point 4 contravene the possibility of 1, 2 and/or 3? Sounds like confirmation bias to me, based on the fact you prefer a cheaper bench 😉

        1. DeadStarComing
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          The point I was trying to make was if someone thinks Mane is better value than Salah (for example) then surely they believe someone like Luiz is better value than Alonso. Both are in line to me - the more expensive players do tend to score the more points but people seem to see different types of value in different positions. Personally I still feel Alonso may not be the top scoring defender this season which for me means he wouldn't be worth his price tag. However I am pretty confident that Salah/Sterling and Kane/Aguero will be the top scorers in their positions - if not the entire game.

          1. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            Yeah I see what you're trying to say, but I just think it doesn't hold up, sorry. Alonso can be better value than Luiz in a qorld that Mane is better value than Salah.

            1. DeadStarComing
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              5 years, 4 months ago

              Don't be sorry 🙂 . We can agree to disagree. For the record, I am a massive Alonso fan and I've loved him the last couple of seasons. I'm just struggling to justify owning him this season because I think his threat has been stifled by the change to full back. I think the likes of Robertson, TAA (when fit), Digne, Doherty etc can score not too far off him (if not better some weeks). I don't have the same confidence when looking to save money further forward. Sane over Sterling seems to be the one currently but I just think eventually Kane/Aguero/Salah will do some serious damage. Salah did with the hattrick a couple of weeks ago.

              1. Deulofail
                • 8 Years
                5 years, 4 months ago

                I think the main argument you should roll with is that the value of replacement players for Alonso is better/easier to come by than with the big-hitting midfield and forward players. I mean, that appears to be another one of your points anyway, and this legit in my mind.

                I probably agree, though consistency can be hard to find. Not that Alonso is consistent-consistent, but every week you own him, you want to play him, which can't always be said of other players who seed more doubts regarding fitness, form, nailedness, potential, etc.

                Times could be changing, and I probably wouldn't go for him on a WC, but I'm not willing to sell yet either. Good luck without him 🙂

                1. DeadStarComing
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  5 years, 4 months ago

                  Yep I guess the point I was trying to make was that the money saved can be better spent further forward - again that's just my personal opinion this season. Of course if he bangs in two goals this week I will want all my comments deleting. Good luck to you too!

    25. Demel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I owned him at the beginning of the season. He was fantastic for me. I haven't owned him in recent weeks. It has had no negative rank impact for me. I am tempted by Ings in gw 21/22. If I get him I have the cash to upgrade Luiz to Alonso which potentially looks an obvious trade. But for now I am not in a big hurry with Luiz covering clean sheets.

    26. minges
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Reigned in? The guy is furthest forward for the team on so many occasions, pretty sure Hazards assist this week was aimed for him...

      Its tempting to sell and use funds elsewhere but he's still delivering, and the fixtures are getting better

      1. CLL - Captain Leader Legend
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Alonso would've been flagged offside if he interfered with Hazard's assist for Pedro's goal vs Brighton

    27. Tickle Me Enzo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      In response to initial arguments presented, as a non-owner (have Rudi) I'm worried about not owning and have consistently considered myself fortunate while watching shots slam into the crossbar in recent weeks. Each time this happens I find myself thinking it will be a mistake not to get him in, but previously Chelsea had tough upcoming matches and now currently I do not have the funds (plus Rudi has had some good, close headers to capturing the back of the net as well). So, as of now I will not be looking to transfer in but if I had I would retain, could see a big score soon, and would expect better PPM to Luiz and Rudi over the span of Chelseas favorable fixtures.

    28. the snazzy viking
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      he should've been sent off against Brighton

    29. JasonG123
      • 10 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      He hasn't been worth the money for awhile now.

      I dropped him on my GW9 WC which allowed me to get Sterling. Since then I've moved from 300k into the top 10k.

      People get into the trap of thinking he's 7m and scores well so I have to keep him and that if a 7m midfielder scored the way he scored you would never sell them. This is true - but it ignores the fact that 4.5m defenders are far better than 4.5m midfielders, meaning you can downgrade Alonso and often not lose that much (depending on the available players).

      It is overly simplistic to simply judge players as points per million - it is not that linear and it doesn't account for differences in position. FPL towers are not dumb - they price defenders cheaply for a reason. It doesn't mean that you should play 5-3-2 since they're the best value per million in the game.

      Sometimes you need to ask yourself - 'is this player in the best 15 players that I want for my squad', rather than 'should I sell this player'? Focusing on the latter question may make you too conservative.

      1. Deulofail
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I completely agree, but I wonder why you put that brag in about your rank. It doesn't say anything about Alonso's value (unless perhaps you did a study of tons of FPL managers with and without Alonso rather than just yourself).

        Your 15-man team has elevated your rank. Attributing it to the lack of Alonso is "over-simplistic", and still says nothing about his value (being supposedly poor). Plenty of people will have risen up the ranks with him in their team too.

        And his "value" is easy to asses in hindsight based onpoints per million etc, but his true value is what people are willing to pay for whatever the probability of him scoring well in the future is perceived to be (which is not simple about points scored since GW 9).

        So I think the question is about how good Alonso is going to be in FPL terms, rather than whether premium defenders damage your team too much. Your assessment, without stating it, seems to be that he's not going to be good enough to justify the money taken away from attack. But your argumentation is about something else, which tells me that you made up your mind based on these factors and others (e.g. the fact you already sold him 😉 ).

        That's just my take on your perfectly reasonable post. I agree with it in general, but I would argue that we can plausible agree with you while simultaneously believing that Alonso is good value (not that I necessarily do!). 😀

        1. Deulofail
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          I also think the value of the cheaper defenders increases as we get further into the season, as we move away from the safety of premium assets to budget options that we've had time to assess. But that doesn't necessarily mean that premium defenders won't be worth inverstment. It's just a general trend. The future remains wildly unpredictable.

        2. JasonG123
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Shoe-horning my rank is there is probably partly a sub-conscious brag (however my rank isn't that good anyway), but really it is just to illustrate that it is possible to move up the rankings without him (I know, not ground-breaking). It's really just to show that Alonso is a massive blind-spot for people, and it's fear more than anything that causes people to keep him rather than an objective assessment of the value of the player.

          Obviously, your rank depends on your entire 15 man squad, I was just referring to my own personal situation. When I was faced with the decision over whether to keep him on my GW9 WC, at the time the only way I thought I could get Sterling was to sell him, otherwise I would've gone without Sterling (wasn't prepared to sell Salah, Hazard at the time).

          Of course you assess whether you want to get a player based on expected probability - but again this is what I did in GW9 (when Alonso was far and away the highest scoring defender in the game). I assessed that the probability of him scoring better than Robertson was low, so I kept Robertson. No one is a bigger proponent of using expected values/probabilities than me.

          "So I think the question is about how good Alonso is going to be in FPL terms, rather than whether premium defenders damage your team too much. Your assessment, without stating it, seems to be that he's not going to be good enough to justify the money taken away from attack. But your argumentation is about something else, which tells me that you made up your mind based on these factors and others (e.g. the fact you already sold him

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 14 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            I have to say I disagree with a lot of the reasoning in what you've posted - for example getting Sterling does not mean going without Alonso. A rank jump of 300k to 10k without Alonso also does not at all mean he is not the best FPL defender to ever be available in the game, or even that selling him was a good move - your OR would actually be even better had you kept him and went without a 7m+ striker - from a rank perspective selling him was a mistake.

            After selling Alonso, those Vardy & Arnie transfers in from GW10 - GW15 got you 23 points, Alonso got 32 points in the same spell, so by keeping him and playing one less striker your OR would be higher and you would not have wasted FT's.

            I totally agree FPL Towers are not dumb - although not sure where that is proposed by anyone maybe I missed it ... they do however price players, and in a lot of cases those prices create opportunities. Alonso at 6.5 this year was waaaay too low, and he is absolutely superb value - he has been worth his price tag and then some.

            I also agree that judging players by points per million is simplistic - it's the advantage of that method of evaluation - however it does has its limitations & is much better as a backward looking metric, which is why i partnered his backward looking PPM with a forward looking 'eye-test' based evaluation.

            1. JasonG123
              • 10 Years
              5 years, 4 months ago

              Of course I could have gotten Sterling and Alonso - but I would have had to have sold Salah or Hazard. Obviously, selling Hazard would've been better, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. At the time, selling Alonso was a clear route to getting Sterling. I wasn't trying to make a claim of causality, just presenting my own anecdotal experience, sometimes that is all we have to go off. My point is still that Alonso is a blind spot and people are generally too conservative in not selling him. Doesn't mean he's a bad option and won't score points, but there are players that are at least as good for cheaper.

              I think you've missed my point about not comparing players across different positions. For example, even though Alonso outscored Arnautovic over that time, Arnautovic + Doherty outscored Alonso + Success (same price for both at the time). This is simplistic, but it illustrates that the cheaper 4.5m defenders are much better than the 4.5m midfielders or forwards (please don't criticise this particular example, since you'd really be missing the forest for the trees then).

              You imply FPL towers are dumb by pricing defenders low (including Alonso) - the reason they do is because the difference between the best and worst defenders is very low while the difference between the best and worst midfielders is very high.

              There are many other non-linear models that assess value. Points per million is okay provided you are comparing players in the same position (still not perfect, but okay).

              I do agree that Alonso has looked more threatening based on the eye test than his stats have shown (his stats have been poor recently). But I'd still rather own Robertson, Doherty and Digne.

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 14 Years
                5 years, 4 months ago

                For me this argument of 'It's Alonso or Sterling' or 'Its Alonso or Salah/Hazard' still doesn't hold water - Getting Alonso doesn't rule out having Salah, Hazard, Doherty Digne - it would rule out having Vardy/Arnie - who performed worse than Alonso since you sold.

                Your team would have been better (i.e. had more points) had you kept Alonso & not went with a 7m striker, it would have easily been possible to have kept every other starting member of your team, swapping Vardy or Arnie for Alonso.

                Picking up an implication that 'FPL Towers are dumb' is quite odd - this may be your opinion but it's certainly not mine 🙂

                1. JasonG123
                  • 10 Years
                  5 years, 4 months ago

                  Obviously, you can always look back on your team and say there are things you could have done better. But again, this is with the benefit of hindsight. I'm trying to speak in general terms (rather than specific terms) to forecast for the future and illustrate fallacies in your arguments, rather than specifically look at how they have scored in the past.

                  I've already explained that it wouldn't have been better to have swapped Alonso for Arnautovic because they play in different positions. Guess I'll spell it out, over 6 gameweeks (hypothetical numbers to illustrate the point):

                  Alonso (30 points for 7m) + Success (10 points for 4.5m) = 40 points.

                  Arnautovic (25 points for 7m) + Doherty (20 points for 4.5m) = 45 points.

                  Do you understand now why it is not possible to simply swap Arnautovic for Alonso? I've only explained it three times.

                  To be clear, if Alonso was available as a 7m midfielder or forward and still got 6 points for a goal and 4 points for a clean sheet, he'd be first on my team sheet. But the fact that he's a defender makes all the difference (if he was actually a midfielder/forward with these scoring conditions he'd be priced at 8-9 million).

                  Also just to note: at the time, Arnautovic really looked like a better pick than Alonso with his form and fixtures as well. Think most would have predicted him outscoring Alonso in absolute terms at the time. Even though he didn't, as I've shown you can still gain points.

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 14 Years
                    5 years, 4 months ago

                    I'm sorry, but your logic falls over when you test it against what your team would have been your team if you had kept Alonso instead of selling, and kept all the other players you mention (It is repeatedly proposed that having Alonso equals 'not having' Doherty, Robertson, Salah, Hazard etc.)

                    Yes you dropped Alonso on your GW10 WC, and yes your OR went from 200k to 10k - but correlation does not equate causation - and in fact your OR would be in a better position had you prioritised Alonso over the third forward.

                    You say that Alonso 'hasn't been worth the money for a while now' - but he is - and your points total confirms it.

                    You say - 'is this player in the best 15 players that I want for my squad', rather than 'should I sell this player'? Yes - your points total is worse off because the 15 players you chose did not include Alonso.

                    If you replayed your wildcard with the boundary condition of keeping Alonso first, whilst then solving for the other players you have mentioned you should quite quickly see that these two conditions do not clash. In fact, you can replay your wildcard altering just two slots - The Balbuena slot is probably a good place to start as he was brought in on WC, and the Vardy/Arnie slot the other as we have mentioned previously.

                    So to use your example - if you had went with Alonso & Success, instead of Balbuena/Vardy on WC

                    (Again - and this is so important - you would be keeping ALL OTHER PLAYERS CONSTANT - so you are not missing out on any of the players you have had in your squad since losing Alonso - other than the Balbuena & Vardy slots - all are present & accounted for)

                    Adjusting Success as a sub in the weeks where Balbuena was a subbed, and counting Success's points in the weeks where Balbuena played (i.e. Include Success's points GW10, 11, 12, 16, 17 - Exclude his points GW9, 13, 14, 15)

                    Here are the results:

                    Keep Alonso scenario:
                    - Alonso GW9 - 17 = 40 points
                    - Success points GW10,11,12,16,17 = 13 points (6,2,2,2,1)
                    - 53 Points Total

                    Actual Scenario points:
                    - Balbuena points (GW10, 11, 12, 16, 17) = 19 points (9,1,2,1,6)
                    - Vardy/Arnie/Kane GW9 - 17 = 29 points (2,0,12,2,2,5,0,1,5)
                    - 48 Points Total

                    i.e. You would have a higher OR had you just kept Alonso

                    Now it becomes really interesting from GW15 onwards, because the 'Success' slot actually has Harry Kane in it rather than Vardy or Arnie. And Kane is captained in GW17

                    And assuming you had stuck to the Alonso boundary condition that I advocated - the GW15 transfers of Haz > Snodgrass & Arnie > Kane would not have been possible (Success obviously would not stretch to Kane)

                    So in reality the gap between the scenarios would be even larger had you kept Alonso, as you would lose Snodgrass GW16,17 scores (8,11 = 19) and 'keep' Hazard's scores GW16,17 (9,13 = 22).

                    Given that we have already deducted Kane's GW16, 17 scores (1,5 = 6) and added Success's (2,1 = 3) in the above scenario, had you made the obvious move and captained Hazard instead of Kane in GW17, the points gap in 'Alonso' vs. 'no Alonso' would be significantly larger, somewhere in the region of an additional 10 points to the already 5 point gap, but I'm not sure we really need to even do that, as the point has already been proven.

                    So do you now see the fallacies in your arguments? The point is, you weakened you OR by selling Alonso - I know 5 points isn't massive, but its a gap, and it translates to thousands in terms of OR - and this is BEFORE Alonso starts his good run of fixtures.

                    Which brings me back to my original post:

                    Alonso's great isn't he 🙂

                    1. JasonG123
                      • 10 Years
                      5 years, 4 months ago

                      Man where do I begin with this post - you're really down the rabbit hole on this one.

                      I've made a few points that you've ignored so I'll make them again in numbered form:

                      1. I emphasised that I was using hypothetical numbers to illustrate a more theoretical point not necessarily related to my situation. You've now written an essay about my off-hand comment in my OP about jumping in rank.

                      2. You are speaking with the benefit of hindsight. Even if true, how was I to know at the time that Arnautovic was the place to save money at the time rather than Alonso? At the time, it didn't cross my mind to save on Arno, he was probably first picked on my WC. The only options were to save money on Alonso, Hazard or Salah. Obviously, there are always things you could've done to get more points. If Sterling suddenly gets injured this week, are you going to tell me in 5 weeks that I should have sold him before his injury?

                      3. The way that you deduce my GW15 transfers from having kept or not kept Alonso in GW10 is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this site, without exaggeration (not to mention who I would've benched/captained). Have you seen the Butterfly Effect?

                      4. I'm an econometrics major - I don't exactly need lectures on correlation vs causation 😉

                      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 14 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        I think he best place to begin - and end - with the post is with the fact that you weakened your OR (in terms of points) by selling Alonso?

                        An essay was written to help demonstrate what I had put in abbreviated form earlier as you still don’t seem to have grasped the reality.

                        Of course if Alonso has a terrible second half of the season that could reverse. But my point is that his last three seasons suggest he won’t, his perfomances this season suggest he won’t, and the eye test suggests he won’t.

                        So let’s come back out of this rabbit hole shall we 🙂

                      2. JasonG123
                        • 10 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        "I think he best place to begin - and end - with the post is with the fact that you weakened your OR (in terms of points) by selling Alonso?"

                        I'm trying to make generalised and theoretical points independent of my team. What has happened with my team is irrelevant.

                        I regret mentioning the improvement in my overall rank because you've fixated on that and everything else has gone over your head.

                      3. Deulofail
                        • 8 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        This has been very entertaining, cheers guys. 🙂

                      4. Mysterion
                        • 6 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        3. 😀 just watched the other day, nice movie

                      5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 14 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        ‘I'm trying to make generalised and theoretical points independent of my team. What has happened with my team is irrelevant.’

                        You’ve made generalised and theoretical points that the evidence does not support. Your team IS the evidence. You sold Alonso and your OR got worse as a result.

                        It’s not only the point about your OR that was incorrect. The point about having Alonso equalling not having other key players (Doherty, Robertson, Salah, Hazard etc) was also incorrect as demonstrated above you could have kept all of those players and Alonso. You could have kept every other player on your WC except Balbuena and still had Alonso, and you OR would be better - does this mean ‘Alonso isn’t worth it and hasn’t been worth it for some time’ as you put it? It just doesn’t support that position at all I’m afraid.

                      6. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 14 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        *except Balbuena and the striker slot obviously

                      7. JasonG123
                        • 10 Years
                        5 years, 4 months ago

                        I mean you’ve cherry picked the two worst performing players in my team and said with the benefit of hindsight I could’ve gained 5 points. Surely one team is not given evidence of the viability of a player.

                        I have to repeat though, it was not a realistic option at the time to not have Arnautovic, he was a must have at the time.

                        Obviously the Vardy pick didn’t work out because he got injured and it would have been better to have Alonso for those 2 weeks (since he got 8 and 11). But again can’t really predict an injury.

                        Hopefully you can stop obsessing over my team now. My main point is that Alonso is not a steal at 7m (as you’ve said). Again it’s a shame you’ve ignored my generalised points about Alonso (which are forward looking) and instead gone on a diatribe about my team (which is backward looking).

    30. Jealous Viper
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Not owned him all season. Planning to get him this week for bellerin. Feel with the fixtures he could have some big returns coming soon and did well around this time last year as well so a bit sentimental there

    31. beefo
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Nice points. I’ve been toying with idea of getting rid of Alonso to free up some more funds for attack, but issues elsewhere with my squad have kept me from pulling the trigger. Hopefully he starts hauling again soon.

    32. Woy of the Wovers
      • 13 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      It's always a risk selling a player like Alonso because he might repeat his GW1-4 scoring. I am tempted to drop him for someone like Digne but it would make my defence a little less secure. I like the simplicity of simply picking Alonso, Robertson and Doherty with the option of 4 at the back. Switch Alonso to Digne and I have to start guessing where CS will come from.

      Predicting attacking points for defenders is even harder. The only safe approach is to hold onto those most likely to get them and hope they come. On this measure Alonso is, in my view, a better bet than Alonso simply from his positioning.

    33. FPL Daniel
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      If you didn't have him for first 3 GW's of the year you lost. Simple as that. Points moints. Could have , should have bla bla bla

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        I don't know where to start

    34. Vobinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      You have a strange obsession with Alonso.

      The historical stats don’t matter jot - you can’t justify selection this season based on past season history.

      Apart from the first 4 GW’s this season, Alonso has done absolutely nothing to justify selection at his price point, I would still think twice if he was a million cheaper.

      Bottom line is if Chelsea concedes, Alonso blanks as his attacking returns have been scarce, and even with attacking returns he will only match a clean sheet from another defender.

      I’d rather have a cheaper defender and bulk up on Haz/Salah/Sterling who are all much more likely to return points, even more so when trusted with the captaincy.

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 14 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Hmmm... i suppose 'strange' and 'obsession' are fundamentally relative concepts so i cannot argue that your opinion is as such.

        I do disagree with a lot of the other points raised however:

        - 'The historical stats don’t matter jot':

        I beg to differ - the historical stats are part of the overall sample size of data we have on Alonso - he has been performing consistently, not for one gameweek, or one month, or even one season, but three seasons. The same patterns come and go - as i posted above - he does have a well acknowledged boom-bust cycle that catches sellers out time & time again - usually at the bottom of this cycle the anti-Alonso sentiment is at its strongest, before his latent attacking threat translates back into FPL returns once again and the scramble begins to either justify not having him, or tear up a team to fit him in.

        - 'Apart from the first 4 GW’s this season, Alonso has done absolutely nothing to justify selection at his price point':

        In the 13 weeks since GW4 he has 6 cleansheets, 2 assists and 5 bonus points... do you really consider that 'absolutely nothing'? For a 6.5m player? It's a long way off what he's capable of at his best, granted, but its a level of scoring that holds its own against the vast majority of players in the game - and as has aready been discussed - he has been UNLUCKY in this time period not to get more attacking points. I fail to see the logic in excluding his first 4 weeks of scoring really.

        -'Bottom line is if Chelsea concedes, Alonso blanks as his attacking returns have been scarce'

        Is this not true of every defender in the game? If any team concedes, their defenders lose their clean sheet points... he has 8 attacking returns - more than any other defender, and more than a large proportion of (more expensive) midfielders and forwards.

        But the acid test overall can perhaps be attributed to how your team has performed since selling Alonso - comparing to
        Arnie or Zaha who you have played since you sold him for example:

        Alonso points GW14 - 17 = 13
        Arnie points GW14 - 17 = 5
        Zaha points GW14 - 17 = 7

        So bottom line - if you had kept him for GW14 onwards and played one less striker, your team would have a higher OR and you would have extra FT's - this is not coincidental - Alonso is the real deal.

        1. JasonG123
          • 10 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Has he been unlucky? His xA is 1.80 for the season, yet he has an incredible 7 assists! A 400% actual performance over expected performance is nuts. Yes some of those assists are FPL only assists (not in real life), but still.

          He is underperforming his xG (2.16 xG, 1 actual goal), but that doesn't make up for the huge difference in xA vs actual assists.

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 14 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            Since GW4 he definitely has been unlucky not to score at least 3 to 4 additional goals, as described above, much of Alonso's attacking threat is not picked up by xA or xG - his role on the post at corners is a great example. This to a certain extent normalises the flurry of points he got in GW's 1 -4 - those early scores were not an anomaly in the true sense of the word, but are levels of scoring he is well capable of reproducing, and has been unlucky not to repeat from GW4 onwards...

            He is definitely outperforming his xA as you rightly point out, but have you watched for example the West Ham, Everton, Man Utd, Man City, Brighton games?

            If so do you think he's been unlucky not to score in each of those matches?

            1. JasonG123
              • 10 Years
              5 years, 4 months ago

              I agree he's looked threatening in recent games and that he'll continue to get attacking returns throughout the season. I also agree that his attacking threat is often missed by the stats. Nonetheless, some weight should be attached to his poor stats, especially since they are much worse than the beginning of the season.

              Overall, he's a decent option and I would be happy owning him. But I just generally think that Robertson, Doherty and Digne are superior, they either offer better clean sheet potential (Robertson) or at least as good attacking threat (Digne and Doherty) or much less funds.

              It's also important to note that you can rotate defenders so that you don't need such expensive ones.

              1. Deulofail
                • 8 Years
                5 years, 4 months ago

                You've both made some great points. Cheers

        2. Vobinho
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Firstly, historical stats only hold much merit imo if the side continues to play in the same way, under the same coach, using the same tactics. Do you think if Suarez returned to Liverpool that he'd record similar numbers to when he smashed it with Sturridge up front?

          With regards to justification, if we compare Alonso to David Luiz for instance, since GW4 David Luiz has scored 67 points to Alonso's 65 points. The crux of this is that Alonso has barely returned any attacking returns since GW 4, meaning we are essentially paying 1.5m extra for the same output. Rudiger and Luiz have goal threat, same as Alonso. It seems Sarri has tailored Alonso's role within the team, with more chance of goals from the centre backs at a lower price.

          My point regarding clean sheets is even if Alonso scores (the fact you're alluding to when pointing out his value), then the likes of Lovren will provide the same value if Liverpool continue to operate well defensively with an Alonso attacking return providing similar returns to a Lovren defensive return. Bottom line is if 1. Chelsea concede and 2. Alonso doesn't return any attacking output, 7m is a hell of a lot to pay for a defender.

          My team has been in decline lately, but I wouldn't point towards Alonso for that. It's more my choice of replacement that's been my downfall. Instead of Arnie and Zaha, I could have chosen Rondon, Jimenez, Ings for example. I was actually in a straight choice between Zaha and Townsend and chose the wrong one.

          The main reason for losing Alonso was to fund a Kane-Auba forward line along with keeping Sterling, Sane and other premium assets in midfield.I firmly believe attacking players will easily outscore the likes of Alonso for the rest of the season with the smaller sides starting to score more regularly against the top six.

          1. Deulofail
            • 8 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            Your bottom lines in both your posts here are great 😆

            Dude, your rhetoric is better than MLK's.... but not nearly as sturdy.

            The bottom line is, if a player is sent off in a game, he is poor value. Therefore you should never own any players.

    35. Runaway
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I have him and won't sell him until GW23 at least. If I thought that Alonso is not that attacking anymore, I would have sold him weeks ago but it is not the case. He is still able to score back to back 10+ pointers and he will do it at some point in the season (hopefully somewhere in next five :)) then people will talk "if you take the first 4 GW and last 2 GW out he is rubbish" etc. etc.

      Having said that, I fully agree with that Robertson, Mendy and even Digne is better than Alonso as a player but from an FPL perspective he is a must have for me. Plus, I don't see a worthy replacement as a Robertson, Doherty and Digne owner. In my ML, people sold him for Kola, TAA but now they are all looking for new defender. Downgrading to Luiz would give me an extra 1M and I think Alonso is worthy of that 1M over Luiz.

      1. Runaway
        • 12 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Some interesting stats by the way:
        - last year, he scored 3 goals (and got 4 CS) in 5 games in between GW18-GW23, not saying he will do the same but showing he is capable of doing that in festive period.
        - he just scored 1 till now comparing to 6 and 7 of previous seasons.
        - there in only 1 player who scored more 10+ pointers than Alonso this season (Hazard with 5 vs Alonso's 4)

    36. harvard
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      The amount of chances Alonso gets, Luiz doesn't come close. I'm keeping him for the season unless something drastic happens

      1. grumpyman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Luiz is not as good an option agreed, but that extra money is the difference between Fanderson and Sane. That's where your extra points will come from.

    37. Business Cat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I sold over a month ago for TAA.

      Went double Liverpool defence with Robertson...that's bought in some huge hauls.

      Used the 2m saving to upgrade a midfielder to Sane (doubled with Sterling)...again, a lot of points being scored.

      Rank has skyrocketed since I cashed in Marcos the cash cow...guess it's always a case of what you do with the extra money

    38. El Lobito 10
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I'm with you as a permanent Alonso man. Those who have doubted him have always been made to eat their words.

  2. Donny_Rover
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Trigger pulled - Kane, Fraser, Sessegnon -> Ings, Hazard, Sane for a -4. No doubt I’ll regret it but pretty pleased with how my team looks now:

    Ederson (Hamer)
    Doherty Robbo Alonso (AWB, Bennett)
    Anderson Hazard Sane Sterling (Camarasa)
    Wilson Ings Auba

    Over the next few weeks might be looking at Aguero in for Auba and Sane to Eriksen, possibly Alonso & Bennett to Luiz and someone better as well.

    1. KDF
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Good moves! Kane, for me, is King of the trolls so hat trick coming

      Not sure about Erik as he doesn't look convincing at the moment.

    2. lespaul
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Could easily pick up a knock midweek can't believe people are making changes now

      1. Donny_Rover
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        It was exact ££ for the moves. Equally Kane could get injured, or Fraser get injured in training, or everyone could be gone. Prices move so fast these days I think you have to move a little quicker to make the most of the money available.

    3. Garlana
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Bit knee jerky but hope it works out for you

  3. Sarcastic WarnocK
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Torreira or Kante?

    1. WE ARE RANGERS
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      tor

      1. Sarcastic WarnocK
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Not on fpl terms. Do you think he is a better player than kante?

  4. Rhodes your boat
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Ideas with this lot dropped 70k last few weeks.

    Ederson hamer
    Alonso robbo bellerin** Digne balbuena
    Sane siggy f.anderson Fraser guendouzi
    Kane auba success

    1FT 1.6itb

    1. WE ARE RANGERS
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      No Salah. Ederson, Kane/Auba, no Sterling, no Fab, no Doherty etc etc

  5. JM11
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Need to replace Bellerin, best DEF for up to 5.9? My other defenders are: AWB, Robbo, Digne, Balbuena.

    Any opinions welcomed, cheers.

    1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      D.Luiz

      1. JM11
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers mate, have Kepa as well if that makes a difference.

        1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
          • 7 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          Ooh maybe not then, tough one with that price bracket!

    2. jg7u
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      On the same boat as you. Lovren?

  6. mattg
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    4.2M ITB burning a hole in my pocket and offering options. 1FT;

    Fabianski - Hennessey
    Alonso - Doherty - Robertson - Bennett - AWB
    Richarlison - Felipe Anderson -Sterling - Hazard - Fraser
    Jimenez - Aubangeyang - Kamara

    Some I've considered:-
    A) Fraser/Richarlison>Sane
    B) Kamara>Chicarito, Bennett>Trippier (4pts)
    C) Jiminez>Jesus
    D) Fraser>Son, Kamara>Ings (4pts)
    E) Save Trade - Have capacity for super mini-wildcard over chrissie
    (What other options am I missing? Help appreciated!)

    1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      A or E

    2. Volley127
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      A fraser.

      C is a terrible move.

      1. mattg
        • 6 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        A is my preferred, but loathe to ditch Fraser with BHA nxt. Sane has CRY though.....
        Agree re: Jesus - he's not nailed.

    3. PortisRed
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I'd leave Jimenez & Kamara, they are a great rotation over the next few weeks. With having Sterling and Haz, if you did Auba to Kane you would have great captain picks coming up.

  7. mad_beer ✅
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Murray and TAA to Robertson and Ings for free?

  8. Pilgrim62
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Nice article
    I keep Alonso since GW2 and never think about to lose him

  9. EgyptianKing
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    1) Patricio out // Fabianski in
    2) Kolasinac out // Lovren in

    Leaning towards 1.

    Opinions please?

    1. Konstaapeli
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      1

  10. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Fantasy Player Price Change Predictions - Learning Mode Activated 🙁

  11. FPL Daniel
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Anyone thinks Watford can actually win against W. Ham?

    1. Rage Against The Raheem
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Well yes I wouldn't be surprised if they did win, both teams playing well and both teams not great at keeping clean sheets so could go either way tbh.

    2. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Easy clean sheet for WH Saturday

    3. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Elton John

      1. Dannyb
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        No clean sheets for that dirty bas**** haha

  12. Number 5
    • 14 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Thoughts on bench please -

    Fabianski
    Kola Schindler Digne
    Sterling FAnderson Sané Fraser Richarlison
    Kane Auba

    (Button, Doherty, Jiminez, AWB)

    Thanks guys!

    1. Keep Calm and Play On
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Looks like you got it right to me

  13. Maddamotha
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Eriksen > Sane? Own Kane and Sterling

    1. Keep Calm and Play On
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Maybe wait until Wednesdays fixtures to see who plays and is rested?

      1. Maddamotha
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah but Sane is rising.

        1. Keep Calm and Play On
          • 8 Years
          5 years, 4 months ago

          True, will that price you out? I'd rather lose .1 TV at this point than have a 9.6m player end up on my bench

          1. The 5% Team
            • 5 Years
            5 years, 4 months ago

            agree...it's great to build value early on, but in the end: points > team value

    2. Maddamotha
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Can afford one more rise. Think Ill wat then. Cheers.

  14. Keep Calm and Play On
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Thoughts gents? I want to get Hazard in and was looking at ways to do that as I think his new role will yield loads of points FPL wise.

    Ederson-4.0
    Robertson-Kolasinac-Doherty-WB-Stankovic
    Salah-Fanderson-Richarlison-Fraser-Stephens
    Kane-Aub-Jimenez

    Not sure what to do because I'm 80% happy with the team and I feel one big hitter will have to do just not sure what one.

    2FT and 1.4 ITB

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Tough one .. Salah & Kane have nice fixtures next GW...maybe downgrade Auba and hope Burnley parks the bus

  15. NUFCAndrew
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Fabianski Hamer

    Alonso Robertson Chilwell Doherty WB

    Salah Hazard Anderson Kenedy Hojbjerg

    Kane Mitrovic Wilson

    0.4 ITB. How to use 2 FTs?

    1. Rage Against The Raheem
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      You posted the same question on the last page but with a different team.

      1. NUFCAndrew
        • 7 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Cheers

    2. Lucystewart123
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Just bin it

    3. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Kennedy to Snod ?

  16. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Appreciate some advice with this, ive got 2 FT's -

    Ederson, Hamer.
    Alonso, Doherty, Digne, TAA, AWB
    Sterling, Sane, Richarlison, Anderson, Brooks.
    Kane, Wilson, Mitro.

    0.4 in the bank

    1. tambourineman
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Depends on TAA injury news but perhaps Brooks to Snodgrass and save the other

    2. Modest Bob
      • 5 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      My advice stop supporting scumberland

      1. Rage Against The Raheem
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Who should he support then, in your opinion?

  17. Atters
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Kane, Siggy and B.Silva to Hazard, Sane and Ings? (-8) sick of team atm

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Do it

    2. Warby84
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Tempted by Aubameyang Camarasa and Alonso ——> Hazard Ings Rudiger

    3. Kanga roo
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      No way

  18. how now brown cow
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Hoping TAA drops and then gets declared fit.

    Don't really like the look of any defenders in 5-6m bracket.

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Luiz ?

  19. Modest Bob
    • 5 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Just put £400 on derby to win in play at 13/8

    1. George Sillett
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Pissed or bored ?

    2. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
      • 12 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Mate, quit the gambling

    3. J ⚒ Gimme ur Mané
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Mugs game.....

    4. Konstaapeli
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I hope you're a rich man...

    5. g40steve
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Unlucky, Forest should of won that in second half?

  20. Buck The Trent
    • 12 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    What would you do with this team ? No Hazard / Auba as captain worries me. Also my defenders have tough games this week

    Fab
    Robbo Digne Doherty
    Salah Sane Sterling Anderson
    Kane Jimenez Mitro

    Subs: Hamer Hojlberg Bennett AWB
    1 FT, 0.1 in the bank

    1. The Big Fella
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      2 of them do. I'd expect a CS from Liverpool though. WHU could go either way.

  21. Badluck Jonathan
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Christmas grav check

    1. Badluck Jonathan
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Perfect

  22. Scotty B
    • 11 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Would you FH from this...

    Schmeichel
    TAA Kolasinac Alonso
    Pereyra Sterling Richarlison Anderson Hazard
    Mitrovic Kane

    Stekelenburg Kamara Digne AWB

    To this...?

    Ederson
    Lovren Balbuena Luiz
    Sterling Mkhi Anderson Hazard
    Ings Aguero Aubamryang

    Stekelenburg Gibbs-White Bednarek Kelly

    1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      FH will become much more useful later on in the season, just save it!

    2. Garlana
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Nah FH waste this week.

    3. Syd.
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Definitely

      1. Fantasy Gold
        • 9 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Yep

    4. Goat
      • 6 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Yes 100%

    5. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      No

    6. BUZZBOMB
      • 9 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      I dont know if you are at the wind up. I know you get a hard time on here and I know why also.

      Answer is No however, no FH. Lovren or Luiz will see you through.

      I just hope you didnt actually know that already.

  23. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Best defender for 5.1 m or under
    ( not Digne Doherty AWB who already own)

    1. Oscar Slater
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Lovren?

      1. dunas_dog
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        5 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks. Not sure on him but yes option I had overlooked

  24. Warby84
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    TAA set to go down tonight

    1. lespaul
      • 14 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Yeah he may as well make the most of his time off at home 😉

  25. diesel001
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Mourinho shouts at and criticises his Utd players quite a lot. Won't some of the top players like DDG, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez just be like "F*** off, Jose. I'm getting a transfer to [insert club]"?

    1. Kanga roo
      • 7 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      Sanchez? Who would take him?

  26. Ajax Hamsterdam
    • 9 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Help please

    On wc

    A Fab / Alonso / snod / Kane
    B LLoris / Luiz / Anderson / Aguero

    Thank you 🙂

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      A mix of them if affordable

      Fabianski Luiz Anderson Kane

  27. Warby84
    • 8 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    I want Salah back but also want Sane Sterling and Kane... sooo

    Alonso Camarasa Aubameyang —-> Salah Ings Yoshida

    Or

    Alonso Camarasa Kane —-> Salah Ings and 5.1def

    Fabianski
    Robertson Doherty Digne Balbuena Yoshida
    Salah Sterling Sane Richarlison Anderson
    Kane ings Kamara

  28. captainjilflex
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Would Siggy>Sane -4 be worthwhile this week? would mean downgrading fraser or laporte. Have no other city cover

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      5 years, 4 months ago

      No Siggy some great fixtures after Spurs game- Any other way you can get Sané? Wait anyway and see how game time gets tomorrow

  29. AlpoShearer
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    Which one?
    A. Salah, Kane and Murphy to Hazard, Sterling and Ings -4 next gw Brooks to Richa
    B. Kane and Myrphy to Ings and Sterling for free
    Own Sane and Auba

  30. The Alli Way
    • 6 Years
    5 years, 4 months ago

    A) Hazard, Ings and Schindler
    OR
    B) Richarlison, Anderson and Ings