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Fantasy managers are masochists – and here’s why that’s a good thing

Former Fantasy Premier League (FPL) champion Simon March argues that feeling a bit of pain may not be a bad thing in our quest for a lofty overall rank.


Few would be surprised were they to discover that Fantasy Premier League is a game that attracts a community more prone than normal to masochism. No many FPL managers would last very long if they didn’t have at least an ambivalent relationship with pain and suffering. However, this tendency is not limited to FPL managers and is, in fact, present in all of us to some extent. It can also play a key role in determining which of us experiences success in life, and which of us don’t.

The significance of this propensity towards inviting pain has been seen to vary from person to person and, in the context of FPL, it may not only help explain some of the differences in playing style and risk preferences from manager to manager but, also, why we sometimes self-sabotage in our FPL decision-making. These are some questions this article will consider.

Hedonic Reversal

‘Hedonic Reversal’ is the state in which we, as humans, derive pleasure in things that cause us pain or discomfort. All of us experience this to an extent, it’s a big part of why we enjoy things like rollercoasters, horror movies or spicy food.

Hedonic reversal manifests itself biologically via the release of endorphins into the bloodstream as a response to us experiencing pain. Endorphins are, among other things, the body’s naturally occurring anaesthetic and they function in a similar fashion to opioids, both in their ability to numb pain and their tendency to create a sense of euphoria in those experiencing their release.

Runners and gym-goers might recognise this effect as the ‘runner’s high’ or a ‘pump’ respectively, and it is essentially the same mechanism. The evolutionary purpose for hedonic reversal is not entirely clear, some believe it occurs as a means of balancing out our response to emotional or physical pain, others believe it exists to reward and incentivise risk-taking, something which has helped us, overall, to advance as a species. The bottom line, however, is that a period of physical or emotional pain is likely to trigger a release of happy hormones to help cheer you up, basically.

Mavericks and Dullards

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FPL managers are known to differ greatly in their approaches to taking risks. We often colloquially refer to risk-takers as ‘Mavericks’ and risk-averse managers as ‘Dullards’. While it is true that risk preferences are the result of many factors, hedonic reversal could be a significant element of the more maverick playing style.

Everybody knows how good a feeling it is to take a risk and for it to pay off. We also know how bad it feels to take a risk and for it to backfire. But those who have experienced such backfires a few times might come to learn that, when things go wrong, it might not feel as bad as you expect. In fact, the worse it gets, the better it is likely to feel on a body chemistry level.

With this in mind, it’s not unreasonable to believe that some managers might come to fear failure less than others do. They might even get to a point, however subconsciously, where they even seek it. Win or lose, they eventually get the same positive feeling physically, so why not take risks? 

This disposition towards seeking pain could explain a lot (Spurs fans, for example) but the key insight from an FPL perspective might be that, if these quasi-masochistic tendencies manifest themselves more significantly in some people than others, they may have also a dramatic effect on the way those individuals play FPL. The natural question, therefore, is whether this is a good or a bad thing.

While it’s true that more risk does not necessarily equal more points in FPL (indeed, it could easily equal the opposite) you cannot get a really, really good rank without taking at least some chances. That could mean anything from some risky transfers to some maverick captaincy decisions. How many risks are sensible to take will always be something context-dependent, but it stands to reason that a manager who is unafraid to take an educated punt possesses a potentially valuable characteristic if they are looking for an elite-level rank or if they dream of winning FPL. As the aphorism goes; you may find plenty of risk-averse millionaires but you will find very few risk-averse billionaires. 

Of course, you will also find plenty of risk-taking people who are flat-broke so moderation is key. Allowing your FPL decisions to be driven by a subconscious desire to feel pain is likely to leave your arrows as red as that room in Fifty Shades of Grey. It’s good to take some risks but they have to be considered ones.

However, if you are a manager who is very risk-averse, perhaps to the point of detriment, experiencing a bit of the pain of failure might actually be good for you. In fact, it may be exactly what you need to remove the fear of taking risks and condition your subconscious to accept them more easily. As many have observed, our best FPL seasons seem to disproportionately follow our worst ones and so perhaps ‘learning to take a fall’ represents a key rite of passage in getting us there.


Why does good FPL form end and what can we do about it?

Elsewhere in Double Gameweek 32

Jamie Vardy (£10.1m) secured a double-digit haul as Leicester saw off West Bromwich Albion by a 3-0 scoreline.

After returning in just one match between Gameweeks 26 and 31, the Foxes’ forward notched a goal and assist against rather pedestrian opposition.

Crystal Palace are Vardy’s next opponents, whose recent defensive form suggest another big haul could await him in Blank Gameweek 33, hence why we have chosen him for the Scout Picks.

Jonny Evans (£5.5m) came away with a double-digit score of his own as he kept a clean sheet and found the net in the first half.

Wesley Fofana (£5.0m) managed to capitalise on the shut-out early as Marc Albrighton (£5.2m) replaced him just after the hour-mark.

Meanwhile, Ricardo Pereira (£5.9m) stayed on the bench as an unused substitute, with suggestions that he will come back into the team against Crystal Palace.

“I’m very conscious that Ricardo is coming back from a long-term injury and I always felt between when he came back and the end of the season we’re just getting him some minutes. I don’t think he’s ready to play three games in a week, especially having played on Sunday.” – Brendan Rodgers

Kelechi Iheanacho (£6.1m) continued his scoring form, adding an eight goal in his last six Premier League matches.

However, his burgeoning ownership might have hoped for more returns as he missed a number of big chances to walk away with a hat-trick.

His persistence in front of goal, combined with a Blank Gameweek 33 meeting with Crystal Palace, has also earned Iheanacho a place in the Scout Picks…

Provisional bonus points

  • 3 – Jonny Evans
  • 2 – Timothy Castagne
  • 1 – Jamie Vardy
853 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Ibralicious
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Currently have 10 starters (assuming Jota & Mendy play). Best move to get an 11th in with a FT?

    A) Kane -> Vardy
    B) Stones -> Saiss
    C) Son -> Greenwood

    Cheers!

    1. the dom 1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      All good moves. Depends how much value you have tied up in each?

      1. Ibralicious
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        0.4 in Kane, virtually none in Son and Stones

      2. the dom 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        FYI I did B yesterday.

        1. Ibralicious
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Any reason why you went Saiss over Coady & Fofana?

          1. the dom 1
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            Saiss more attacking than Coady.

            1. Bennerman
              • 5 Years
              2 years, 11 months ago

              In what respect more attacking? Sometimes being dropped, sometimes playing left side in earlier part of season? Or just looking at stats?

    2. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B.
      A & C are too tasty next gw.

  2. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Captain who?

    a. Salah.
    b. Nacho
    c. Bruno.

    Cheers

    1. Ibralicious
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A for me, too good of a fixture to pass up for a player who's recently said he's on the hunt for the golden boot.

      1. the dom 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Currently on Salah. Toying with Nacho.

  3. I SPEAK ENGELS AND DRINK GI…
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Son + Bruno -> Salah + Greenwood for free?

    1. I SPEAK ENGELS AND DRINK GI…
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I have Kane and Jota

  4. TheOneAndOnly
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Kane + Davis > Vardy + Watkins for -4?

  5. Ibralicious
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    What time is Klopp's press conference / when do we find out about Jota?

  6. FCSB
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Mendy
    TAA Shaw Rudiger
    Son* Salah Jota Fernandes Lingard
    Kane* Iheanacho

    Forster Holding Vydra Kilman

    0.3 itb, 2FT

    1. Mendy Son >> Schmeichel Greenwood
    2. Son >> Greenwood (save FT)

    Thanks.

    1. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      good enough team to roll one, do 2 and take a chance on Mendy?

  7. Ibralicious
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Best move here to field an 11? Have to decide before the deadline or else priced out.

    A) Stones -> Saiss (FT)
    B) Jota + Stones -> Greenwood + Coady (-4)
    C) Stones -> Coady (and wait for news on Jota)

    Cheers!

    1. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A or C.
      No Greenwood or Jota change tonight i think so you can wait on that.

      1. Ibralicious
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        So if I am to consider B, I can only do C to leave 0.2 ITB for Jota- > Greenwood. Worth doing that in case Jota is announced out later on?

        1. RogDog_jimmy
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          sure. coady/saiss i have no strong sense on.

          1. Ibralicious
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            Cheers! They're more of the same afaik

  8. FPL_Crisis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Would you find a way to do Laca to Vardy this week?
    Also have the Mendy issue

    Have 2FT and can easily do it via Gund -4 but trying to resist taking a hit
    Laca to Vardy
    Mendy to Meslier
    0.4 short of the 2 moves

    1. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      laca to vardy with gundo i think.
      gamble on mendy, some smart folks think he'll start.

      1. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Just realised if I hang onto Mendy this week I can do Gund to 4.9m mid- not many options.
        Or Mendy to Meslier and Gund to Harrison who is a play most weeks but -4

  9. La Roja
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    What to do here chaps?

    Sanchez
    Veltman Dallas Digne Holding
    Salah Lingard Bruno Raphinha*
    Nacho Watkins

    Martinez Kane* Cancelo* Son*

    A) Cancelo ➡ Shaw
    B) Cancelo ➡ Saiss
    C) Cancelo Raphinha ➡ TAA ESR -4
    D) Cancelo Raphinha ➡ Philips Greenwood -4

    1. BRFC1883
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      C or D for me

    2. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      C

  10. Letsgo!
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Mendy( surely he start)
    Alonso shaw taa saiss
    Mount lingard trossard saka salah(c)
    Iheanacho

    Subs steer vydra kane cresswell
    Gtg?

  11. JJeyy
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Is Maddison a trap? Never really a stat machine...

  12. Phil's Stamps
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Chances of Smith-Rowe starting this weekend?

  13. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    For one gw only- Vardy or Watkins?

    1. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Vardy

      1. SpaceCadet
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers

  14. Bob B
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    For my team,
    Players confirmed out this week:
    Auba, Kane, Lucas, Son.

    Possible out:
    Jota, Phillips.

    With 1 move, what would you do? Take hits (again)?

    Aubameyang to Bruno?

    1. Hart-ake
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I think you can lose Aubameyang for sure. Lucas too I think. Bruno and Greenwood in?

  15. Hart-ake
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    how's this free hit team?

    Sanchez
    TAA Castagne Veltman
    Salah Mane Bruno Trossard
    Vardy Nacho Cavani

    1. La Roja
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Strong

    2. The Knights Template
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      54pts

  16. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Looking good to save this week chaps?

    Martinez
    TAA | Dallas | Rudiger | Phillips*
    Salah | Bruno | Raphinha* | Pereira
    Bamford | Iheanacho

    Forster | Lowton | Kane | Son

    Lowton in for Phillips/Raphinha if one miss out.

    1FT, 0.1ITB

    Thanks

    1. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      GTG

      1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers mate

    2. Utopsis
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah I think you're good

  17. Utopsis
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone else tempted by TAA (C)?

    1. SEXY SOLO SAUCE
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      It has crossed my mind but I think Newcastle will score

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah ASM and Wildon back ominous.

        But with Salah fasting, not sure about him for the armband. Might not even last the 90.

      2. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Wilson* (wtf is Wildon even, what's my autocorrect playing at!)

    2. Aster
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      No

      1. Utopsis
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Ha fair enough

  18. FPLMarc
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Mendy - Forster
    Dias - Coady - Targett - Holding - Phillips
    Salah - Jota - Bruno - Son - Lingard
    Kane - Iheanacho - Vydra

    2 transfers available, £1.9 in the bank

    I only have 11 players if Jota, Mendy, Phillips all play. What would you do here?

    Watkins for Vydra interests me. A James Rodriguez punt for Son?

  19. Mile Plankton
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Are the prioce changes now or in an hour?

  20. Stupendous
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    All set or any hits needed?

    Mendy
    Azpi Rudi Targett TAA Holding
    Salah Jota Lingard
    Vardy(c) Nacho

    Forster Vydra Son Neto

    0ft 5.4mitb

    1. Mile Plankton
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Looks good.

      1. Stupendous
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers. Tempted to do Mendy to Martinez but not for 4 pts
        Or Neto to Maddison but again not sure worth it with the double up top and for hit

  21. moment
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Made a schoolboy error and accidentally took a -8. Ended up doing:

    Mendy + Jota + Son + Vydra -> Sanchez + Greenwood + ESR + Vardy

    Intended just to do Son and Vydra, but didn't spot that I'd previously been playing around with other transfers.
    Praying this works out for me; they're not terrible transfers I guess.

    1. moment
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      In other news, Vydra to Vardy may be the first ever anagrammatic transfer I've ever made

      1. Stupendous
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        It could also be worth 30 pts if you captain him

      2. Hits Magnet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        ... I see what you did there 🙂

  22. Hits Magnet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    For some reason I still have Aubameyang in my team and it seems like a very obvious move to shift him for Salah this week (who I've been trying to avoid as a differential up to know) ......

    But with Liverpool's next 4 matches taking place during Ramadan and the last two games having an 8pm kick off will Salah play in all 4 games and how many will he play the full 90mins?

    How much are top players minutes impacted by Ramadan?

    1. RogDog_jimmy
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      I suppose that Rogers said something about Fofana today has made people think about it - but has anyone thought about it at all before?
      These are professional athletes who play at this time of the year every season and not once have i heard it discussed as a negative effect on performance.

      I also heard that Salah doesn't fast on match days - that he does additional fasting to make up for it - which may or may not be true.

      I am captaining Salah. I may shift to Iheanacho or Fernandes, but not because of Ramadan.

      1. Hits Magnet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks for reply.... I don't really recall it been a big thing in previous seasons but as you said Brendan mentioned it today and Salah got rested last game so I'm a bit weary that it could be a bigger thing this year

        1. RogDog_jimmy
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          i get wondering about it - but it also seems like one of these things that the fpl community jump on because we're looking for an edge.

          all of liverpool's front 4 form has been average at best - i expect one of mane, salah, jota, firmino to be rested every game in a rotation. and always come on at 60mins for whoever is least performing.
          until one of them gets good again anyway.
          jota & salah had the last 2 rests i think...

    2. Aster
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Good q

  23. Boomerang V
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    How did Maddison play?

    I am thinking about doing a hoky poky:

    Son -> Maddison -> Son

    1. Stupendous
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Personally I think he looked a little rusty but still pretty dangerous but then again it was WBA.

      He could have had an assist and a goal easily but wasn't to be and was taken off when the game was well and truly over.

      I made my moves and went with Kane to Vardy over Neto (keep on bench for now) to Maddison, and now have Vardy and Nacho dbl up

      1. Stupendous
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Besides Castagne tbh they all looked a bit lethargic and never needed to break a sweat!

      2. RogDog_jimmy
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        agree with this.
        was a pretty ridiculously easy game for all involved.

        i was hoping for a maddison master-class to convince me to get him but i didn't see it.

        1. Stupendous
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Definitely short of match fitness and that was evident, and they just all seemed off and it was as if everyone knew the outcome before a ball was kicked.

          Then there was Castagne who was possessed. What a show!

          I REALLY want him but I'm not chasing pts or spending 4 for him

          1. RogDog_jimmy
            • 3 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            i think castagne's only 2 double point returns are against wba...so make of that what you will.

            1. Stupendous
              • 11 Years
              2 years, 11 months ago

              He failed me in the double i believe so never again for me probably

      3. Luton_Fan
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Thought maddison and castagne were best players on pitch myself

        1. Stupendous
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 11 months ago

          Castagne was men v boys

          1. Luton_Fan
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 11 months ago

            I own castagne and gutted he didnt get a goal and 2nd assist 🙁

  24. Muscout
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Is Greenwood a safe option?

    1. Luton_Fan
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Dunno but im still kicking myself i changed my mind on sterling to greenwood last gw.

    2. Aster
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Yep

  25. waldo666
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    WC team as it stands rn, any thoughts appreciated, debating whether to ship Son for Greenwood and play over Bamford. 0.2 ITB.

    Also hearing Jota may be in doubt?

    Martinez
    TAA Shaw Holding
    Salah Bruno Lingard Jota
    Bamford Nacho Watkins

    (Johnstone Dallas Coufal Son*)

    1. Hits Magnet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      The season is nearly over so it seems very template ...... you'll most likely just end the season with the same rank you are on now..... but maybe you're ahead in your ML and don't need to take a risk but personally I'd be looking at a few differentials .... I'd dump Bamford, Bruno and take a gamble on players that may run hot for last 6 games GreenwoodTossard/Castagan/Sake or something along them lines ....

      1. waldo666
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah fair point, I have just overtaken first spot in my ML and have really shifted focus to maintaining that rather than a massive improvement in OR.

        With the rumours of Jota potentially missing out I am contemplating shifting him to Greenwood.

        Cheers for the reply.

  26. Monya Meow Meow
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Gundo to Greenwood or Maddison?
    No Leicester and 2 United players already if it makes a difference.

    1. Luton_Fan
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Madds

      1. Monya Meow Meow
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks!

  27. deshawn7
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Cresswell to
    A) Shaw
    B) Castagne
    C) Saiss?

    Already have TAA Azpi Dias Digne

    1. ExpressoMySonny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      B

    2. waldo666
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      A

  28. ExpressoMySonny
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Draft question.. Keep Armstrong or transfer in Martinelli or Grob

    1. Luton_Fan
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      Martinelli

  29. Sloane426
    • 4 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    Have the prices changed yet tonight?

  30. Taegugk Warrior
    • 5 Years
    2 years, 11 months ago

    2 FT.
    A. Dias+Kane to Fofana+Vardy (already have iheanacho)
    B. Dias+Kane to Fofana+Watkins
    C. Dias+Son to Fofana+Greenwood

    sell kane will lose 0.4 value to bring him back

    1. Luton_Fan
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 11 months ago

      C