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1 December 2012 5026 comments
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Gameweek 15 begins with the bluster of a London derby, laced with some good old fashioned ill-feeling between the managers. Rafa Benitez and Sam Allardyce face off having traded words in the past, in what promises to be a bruising encounter and one that is set to test the Rafa regime to the full.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to catch your reaction to events in this game and all of Saturday’s other seven encounters.

The team news from Upton Park is significant for both sides. The Hammers go into the game without Andy Carroll who has failed to overcome the knee knock suffered in the midweek defeat at Old Trafford – Carlton Cole leads the attack, then. On the plus side, Mark Noble returns from his ban to bolster the midfield, while Gary O’Neil is also drafted in with Matt Taylor and, surprisingly, Mo Diame dropping to the bench.

Once again we can see rotation in the Chelsea lineup. While Juan Mata is restored, it appears that it’s Oscar’s turn to get rested to the bench – he makes way for the Spaniard’s return. Victor Moses and Mikel also come in with Ryan Bertrand and Oriol Romeu dropping out. Gary Cahill replaces the suspended David Luiz as expected.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Parm
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Rafa Benitez.

    Chelsea Legend.

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    1. Acquafresca
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      +1

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  2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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    Well, my fantasy team is trashed today - and I don't care!!! 😀

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    1. Davido989
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      Congrats! See you at Upton Park next week 😉

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    2. @FuzzyWarbles
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      that hat should be a little more askew today Doos. Congrats mate!!!!

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    3. Elniñorules
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      I'm up against you, Dr Doos!

      And I declare defeat already. Nothing else Mata's ðŸ™

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        You will beat me! 🙂 Giroud and Gallas out already. Shorey shoring up my defence against MUN ... 😆

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      2. @FuzzyWarbles
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        hello enr! long time, perhaps not the best time to say hello?

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    4. MyMateToldMe.com
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      already after 1 game! How's that?

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  3. Jax
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    why the bandwagon for nastastic? you all know city rotate their defence. no point.

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      I think he might be injured.

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    2. Mílanista
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      Thanks McHindsight

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      1. The Finnisher
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        Ignore him. EVERY SINGLE WEEK he comes on here AFTER games/lineups and says shit like this. He's like Captain Hindsight but not funny or witty.

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        1. Mílanista
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          Haven't noticed him before, the gravless fecker

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          1. The Finnisher
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            I only remember from the link.

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            1. Jax
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              yeah but i'm right tho. tosser.

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        2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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          Not funny or witty? Shoot the fecker!!! 😉

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    3. KakiBangku
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      This.

      For citys good run of fixtures i actually planned to in Kompany in.

      He's due a goal or two.

      Depending on my willingness to sell Baines

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    4. Demel
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      5 starts in a row..defence looked good...he was playing well...cheap...made sense. Easy in hindsight!

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      1. Bullet Tooth Bony
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        http://i.imgur.com/ggeoc.gif 😀

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    6. OPTA FPL
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      +5

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  4. elkunaguero
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    Bertrand to Shorey for free for GW 16?

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    1. Mílanista
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      Yes

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  5. Red-United
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    I wonder how many managers the likes of Chelsea/Man City have had whilst Ferguson has been in charge at United for 26 years...

    Got to respect Arsenal for sticking by Wenger as well, a club needs stability.

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    1. Davido989
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      Liverpool haven't particularly stuck to one manager and yet they have more trophies than United.

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      1. Red-United
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        I'm talking about modern day football here. Liverpool are getting through their fair share of managers and they are not going to be winning any major trophies anytime soon.

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      2. Granville
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        Have they? I thought it was United leading by one.

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        1. Red-United
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          He has included the Community Shield/Carling Cup etc in that. We have more league titles.

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    2. Granville
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      City have had 18 managers.

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      1. Red-United
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        Madness really.

        And you can easily see that number increasing a lot over the next 5 or so years.

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      2. The Finnisher
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        I think Chelsea have too.

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    3. Bullet Tooth Bony
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      "Chelsea have spent £86m since 2005 in compensation for managers -- more than Everton's entire net spend since the Premier League began"

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      1. Red-United
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        wow...

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  6. The Finnisher
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    Mata 2/5 shots on target and on the losing team.

    1 BP at absolute best..

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    1. Elniñorules
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      No chance.

      Cole/Diame/Maiga/Jarvis/Collins all ahead of him

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    2. Mavric Marco
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Maybe not even 1..? with this messed up PPI system

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      1. The Finnisher
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        I'm confident he will get 0.

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        1. elkunaguero
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          Funnily, Mata has the highest ICT Index score of all players in this game...

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          1. Granville
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            This is because Mark assesses a shot off target as a positive contribution, PPI is negative.

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  7. Alton E.
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    Rickie Lambert has a Liverpool tattoo. 😉

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    1. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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      sign him up

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      1. Alton E.
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        +1

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  8. Optimus.
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    brought in nastasic this gw..hughes coming in for him now so 😕

    hopefully its just a rest for nastasic

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    1. Granville
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      It's an injury I believe

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  9. Paz12
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    What game to watch?! Liverpool - Southampton (I have Enrique and Suarez) or Arsenal - Swansea (Cazorla, Mertesacker and Michu)!?

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    1. MyMateToldMe.com
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I reckon Gunners v Swans, more attacking, more goals, more entertainment!!!!
      I'm gonna put a £10 on a nil nil now.

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      1. Paz12
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        hahaha the last four games i watched before wham chelsea were 0-0s...if i watch one more nil nil im going to cry

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  10. Milner4eva
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    predictions for Caz today? Im thinking either 2 goals or 1 assist and 1 goal, 3 baps

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    1. Mavric Marco
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      3 assists, 1 goal, max baps

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  11. HuttonDressedasLahm
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    How come Utd always get the 5.30 kick off??

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      Money, money, money

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    2. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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      Thought it was usually City who did

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    3. Yossi
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      TV reasons

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    4. Pratik
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      Maximum fans all over the world, so I guess they make more money scheduling it like that.

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  12. bdwhite91
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    Seriously only touching Silva for City coverage now. We really mean it when we say only Mancini knows lol.

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    1. Mavric Marco
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      I've got a feeling Silva will have a great game today!

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    2. Paz12
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      Or Kompany ???

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  13. Naboo
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Who to replace Mata?

    A) Silva
    B) Michu
    C) Fellaini

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    1. ~SpartakMac
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      Surely Fellaini

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    2. Mavric Marco
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      Silva!

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    3. Paz12
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Fellaini or Michu

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    4. Gazza2000
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      I'm going for Fellaini

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  14. Stephen - Robot Daniels
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    Rotation I can take, it's a lottery and going to happen with big squads.

    What is really frustrating is unecessary cameo appearances from those meant to be rested when there's no apparent tactical gain from the 5 minute appearance ie a like for like change when the game is in the bag.

    I have a decent bench, but second guessing rest/rotation and hoping rested players stay on the bench to save me from 1pt cameos is getting tiring.

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  15. LewanGOALski
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    who to get rid of first?

    Foster (probably for Tremmel - I have Bego as a 2nd GK)

    or

    Ivanovic - don't know yet for who...

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    1. The Finnisher
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      Foster I guess. At least Ivanovic is starting.

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      1. LewanGOALski
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        I could play Bego, but I am not sure about it

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    2. Paz12
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      I am keeping Ivanovic until after Terry returns to see if he goes back to his more dangerous fullback role?

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  16. Crouchy
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    hopefully cazorla gives walcott owners something to talk about 😛

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    1. Milner4eva
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      +1

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  17. SuperMario
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    Lads, what are your top 3 bankers today in order please????

    Im thinking a punt on West Brom, Arsenal, Bolton/Leicester

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    1. Paz12
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Arsenal are the absolute worst for letting me down... saying that I have a punt on Arsenal / United / Bolton / Blackpool

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  18. JJO
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    New info...Poll team

    Johnson Skrtel Agger
    Lucas
    Gerrard Allen Shelvey
    Sterling Suarez LE

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    1. The Finnisher
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      Loser Enrique?

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      1. JJO
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        Its Luis Enrique

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  19. _Greg
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    what's wrong with nastasic then?

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    1. Mílanista
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      Not even on the bench so seems to be injured

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      1. _Greg
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        gonna google it

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      2. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
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        rested

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  20. Nopli
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    Tevez starting??

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    1. Keane There Dunne That
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      Ye

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  21. Wings of Steel
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    I have Diame in my Pes team online. Beast

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    1. Yossi
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      PES- LOL

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      1. Yossi
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        But I have him in my FUT Team aswell, and yes, he is a beast

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      2. Wings of Steel
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        and yes it is better than fifa..

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  22. ~SpartakMac
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    Mata > Silva?

    Or Puncheon > Silva & Berba > Pogrebnyak?

    Really want to muscle Silva into my team somehow

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    1. Paz12
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      Mata > Silva...empty gameweek and going to Stadium of Light following CL game midweek...and berbas fixtures are good so would be silly to get rid

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      1. ~SpartakMac
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        Good advice, Cheers!

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  23. @FuzzyWarbles
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    no way mata could rise this week with the blank coming up the week after you think? Im ready to unload for sess but could make .1 with a rise. last i checked he was halfway to falling.

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  24. Keep Calm and Sessegnon
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    Jol said: "Even when I said in my last conversation with him that I loved him, it was not good enough to keep him here."

    Martin Jol on his attempts to keep Dempsey at the club 😀

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    1. The Finnisher
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      I love Jol.

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      1. Keep Calm and Sessegnon
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        Same, indeed

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      2. Stern John Terry Wilson Pal…
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        +1

        That is brilliant 😆

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      3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        +42! 😉

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  25. TheKingThierry
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    To be honest Chelsea fans have got their own Chelsea back !

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  26. Acquafresca
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    Don't worry. Nastasic's wife is having a baby 😉 😆

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    1. Sarnab
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      lescott is the father. 😀

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    2. _Greg
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      for real? sweet

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  27. TheKingThierry
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    To be honest Chelsea fans have got their old Chelsea back !

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  28. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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    What match is everyone watching?

    Man City Everton is on the telly for me in Ireland.

    cmon Fella!

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    1. Acquafresca
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      Suarez(C) for me!

      Let me know when Fellatio scores!

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    2. Mavric Marco
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      Top of the morning to ya' 😉

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    3. Sarnab
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      Arsenal vs Swansea here

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    4. Paz12
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      Liverpool Southampton!

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    5. THE SQUARE ONE
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      Best match this week is city and everton 😛

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  29. Captain Shirokov
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    Don't even know what to think anymore.

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    1. Bullet Tooth Bony
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      Every weekend there's 1 stand out result that doesn't go as planned. We just saw it.

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