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Derby Day Dugout Discussion

16 January 2011 1946 comments
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Four games kicking off. Three Derby’s taking place up and down the country. Two of them at the nice early hour of Noon GMT. While one so far invincible side finish the gameweek off with one of their new pretenders to the throne looking to make a statement of intent.

We’ve got it all today; and we’re starting with Birmingham vs. Aston Villa and Sunderland vs. Newcastle with the Dugout Discussion already opening its doors for one and all looking for their Sunday fix…

Sunderland XI: Gordon; Onuoha, Bramble, Ferdinand, Bardsley; Elmohamady, Henderson, Richardson, Malbranque; Gyan, Bent.

Newcastle XI: Harper; Simpson, Coloccini, Williamson, Jose Enrique; Barton, Nolan, Smith, Gutierrez; Best, Ameobi.

Sunderland welcome Nedum Onuoha back into the fray but must still see captain Lee Cattermole and Danny Welbeck on the injury list and unable to make their appearances. Newcastle may have to make do without star striker Andy Carroll this weekend but Shola Ameobi is fit enough to return to the fore and pushing Peter Lovenkrands back to the bench, Jose Enrique also recovers from the flu which previously had him on the sidelines.

Birmingham XI: Foster; Carr, Johnson, Ridgewell, Murphy; Bentley, Ferguson, Gardner, Fahey; Hleb: Derbyshire.

Aston Villa: Friedel, Clark, Dunne, Collins, Walker, Albrighton, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Downing, Carew, Agbonlahor.

Birmingham make a handful of changes as Daryl Murphy comes in for the injured Scott Dann, David Bentley makes his Blues debut with Seb Larsson, rumoured to be joining Newcastle imminently, nowhere to be seen. Matt Derbyshire is rewarded with a role leading the line in place of Cameron Jerome following his FA Cup exploits. Aston Villa meanwhile give a league debut to [potential Fantasy Premier League £4.0m bargain] Kyle Walker as well as calling Marc Albrighton and John Carew into the side once more while Ashley Young sits out suspended.

Only thing left is to wipe the sleep away from our eyes and take in six straight hours of Premier League action.

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  1. Boom!!!
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    LET THE DERBY DAY BEGIN!

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  2. cucumber
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    sorry for re-post

    should I play skrtel or Varney next week? I have glen johnson too

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    1. Boom!!!
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      varney.

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  3. hillbillypete
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    Elmo in midfield. NIce!

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  4. Soop
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    first orde of business is to replace sturridge. My other two strikers, I'm quite pleased with. At the top of my league right now!

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      From the sublime to the ridiculous - Tevez, RVP, Sturridge! Love it 🙂

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  5. FPL Emu
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    Is it fair to say Elmo in midfield is a consequence of Welbeck's absence? Can't rely on it for more matches, right?

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    1. Boom!!!
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      no malbranque is playing in wellbeck position.

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      1. FPL Emu
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        Think Richardson does, actually. So who exactly has been dropped for Elmo out there? Zenden? Richardson has played RW before I think too

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        1. Boom!!!
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          richarson has been playing in mid this season..malbranque will play lw n elmo rw.

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          1. Boom!!!
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            *richardson

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  6. Lew
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    No Warnock? Injury or Liverpool bound?

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    1. Boom!!!
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      out of favour n l'pool bound.

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  7. Fran
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    Very interesting day of football today........can't wait.

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  8. Perthite
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    Sorry - this was in the previous thread.

    I asked:
    Which are the two games that one of which could be postponed depending on who is playing in the Carling Cup final?

    Reply - donners says:
    Ars v Tot GW 28

    Reply Perthite says:
    Thanks. I thought there was something like one of the Birmingham GW27 games (v Everton?) or a West Ham game around that time.
    (depending on who makes final)

    Anyone able to confirm/shoot down in flames my vague memory?

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    1. Andy
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      GW28
      Arsenal v Spurs (likely to be rescheduled for midweek);
      Chelsea v Birmingham (Almost definitely won't be rescheduled that week);
      West Ham v Liverpool (Could be rescheduled for midweek)

      Everton v Birmingham in GW27 will also move to GW29.

      [Bold team has to make final to affect the schedule]

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      1. Perthite
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        Thank you very much!

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        And again! 😀

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  9. Boom!!!
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    loL @ ameobi again.

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  10. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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    Very good, Andy! 🙂

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  11. David Davros
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    Kyle Walker looking good already

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    1. cechmate
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      Looks very good indeed. On my watchlist!

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      +1, looking to go Konch to Walker (or Djourou) and Carroll to RVP or Berba.

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  12. Simon Neil. God.
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    Sounds like the Birmingham game should be 3-3 already.

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  13. Attila the Bum
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    F*cking Alan Smith. 😕

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      Oh I feel a bit guilty now.
      F*cking Danny Guthrie for the sake of impartiality.

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  14. Samurai Scooby
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    Really hoping for 0-0 draws.

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    1. Perthite
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      Wouldn't mind that either for the two current games. Or if just Birmingham and Sunderland get the c/s that is good too.

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    2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      +1

      Just need Bardsley not to get minus points and i'll secure a rare H2H victory!! Come on Howard Webb, no card for Phil

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  15. Attila the Bum
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    HOW WAS THAT YELLOW?!
    After bloody Richardson just injured Smith with a late tackle and got away with it, how is a simple unintentional handball a yellow card?!
    One rule for Joey Barton one rule for everyone else. 😕

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    1. gooner dave
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      Aye, well harsh that. Partly why I got rid of Barton, reputation proceeds him too much. Good player though.

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    2. hillbillypete
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      what u watchin it on?

      elmo sounds like he is playin well?

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    3. King Eric, in America
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      In fairness to the ref, he thought Joey was assaulting the ball. In that case, only showing the yellow was an act of charity ...

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  16. knightsofcydonia
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    Should I do:

    Fabs > Nasri
    Berbs > Rooney

    for a 4 point hit or not?

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    1. gooner dave
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      Bit too sideways for my liking, so a no from me.

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        +1

        Rooney just back from injury, so not guaranteed to play both games in the double, they're only 3 days apart. Obviously Berba's not guaranteed to play both either.

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      2. Jimmers
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        Yes - just moving the deckchairs

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      3. Perthite
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        I wouldn't do it.

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    2. King Eric, in America
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      Defo wait on the Utd/Tot game to finish up, ruling out injury/bans.

      I think Fabs is a better choice than Nasri, But Rooney is more likely to play both games. My .02

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  17. TommyK
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    Barton absolutely nailed on for BP's at the moment...

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      Nailed on for a second yellow if the ridiculous first was anything to go by. 😡

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  18. Torres76
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    Kyle Walker looks a decent player for Villa....

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    1. champion_elect
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      Why I got him in 🙂

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      1. Torres76
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        Technically very good....Rather have him than Glen Johnson at LFC...

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      2. hillbillypete
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        similar to gj in that he is better goin forward than defending

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        1. Torres76
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          ....and a lot cheaper dude....

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  19. mufc802
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    should i wildcard to this team now?
    stockdale, foster
    kelly, alcaraz, djourou, coleman, evatt
    nani, adam, fab, vdv, nzog
    tevez, rvp, roon

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    1. guyacdavies
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      no

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      1. mufc802
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        why

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        1. FPL Emu
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          Would like to see an answer to that question myself to be honest, as it's pretty close to what I am pondering about getting. Nasri for Fabs, though, and better defense. Plus the guy that will replace Dann for a while.

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    2. michaelington
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      top heavy, defence is too weak.

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      1. mufc802
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        ive come to the conclusion spending lots in defence is a waste, you can't rely on anyone for a clean sheet anymore, but in midfield and attack you can normally expect a player to bag a few goals.

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        1. Marknlard
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          You've got 8 good players in your mids and forwards. Who you gonna drop?

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          1. mufc802
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            either adam, nzogbia, or one of the strikers, so probably tevez next week

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          2. Funkyav
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            I reckon Man City and United and Chelsea are good for clean sheets, thats why they're expensive. Then Sunderland & Birmingham are defensively sound too.

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        2. michaelington
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          Do it then if you think its good. You will need to transfer stockdale out once scwarzer is back maybe pick somone else? Seems a waste of a transfer

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          1. mufc802
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            cant really see a decent cheap keeper to rotate with foster though

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    3. King Eric, in America
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      No Chelski coverage there ... you're OK with that?

      Otherwise, it seems the standard WC team - whatever that's worth. Are you looking to compete in private leagues or overall ranking?

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      1. mufc802
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        overall

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        1. King Eric, in America
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          I don't think you'll slip in overall rankings with that team, but seeing as how your choices are the smart, on-form (and therefore 'obvious') choices, I'm wondering if you have the differential(s) to jump substantially higher.

          Just a thought for you ...

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          1. mufc802
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            thinking nzogbia (6.7%) is a decent differential for the double, aswell as rvp (4.8%).

            I may sell nasri and not have any arsenal midfield due to rvp possibly sweeping the attacking points for arsenal, so might get yaya toure and do adam to cahill when he returns.

            Any tips for the defence?

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            1. King Eric, in America
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              Personally, I agree with your basic strategy re: spending little on defenders, at least for the next few gameweeks/week 27 or so.

              What about Brum coverage? Carr possibly?

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  20. Attila the Bum
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    Good first half that. Especially the first 30mins, great derby stuff. Again to complete my hattrick of moans - Barton's yellow was the most ridiculous I have ever seen.

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    1. Lincos
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      yeah I'll be annoyed if Carr gets a cleansheet and Barton gets the 1 point..

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  21. FPL Emu
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    How and where does one write an appeal to FPL towers or whatever it's called?

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      First off you have to swear a declaration that
      a) You will never enter romantic relations with any human being
      b) You promise never to leave the house for the next twelve years
      c) You promise that aforesaid house is in fact your mothers house, specifically her basement.
      d) You have a look on their website, sure its there somewhere.
      🙂
      What's your beef anyway? What needs to be quibbled?

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      1. FPL Emu
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        I still think Touré should definitely not be awarded yesterday's goal. Can't see how its not an OG according to the rules

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        1. FPL Emu
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          You might hear rumours that a H2H-match is my motivation

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        2. Attila the Bum
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          You might have a shout there. They are really inconsistent with stuff like that though, but honestly mailing them seems to have an effect - I remember Bale doing something controversial and as he was owned by so many people (a proportion of which must have complained) the decision was reversed in Bales favour.

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        3. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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          +1

          I agree with ya

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          1. FPL Emu
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            That's cool man. But I still can't figure out where to find that darned form.

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            1. Funkyav
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              surely there is a "contact us" section on the site... or check out FAQs

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            2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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              http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/help.mc?category=contactus

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              1. FPL Emu
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                Thanks, man. Might not be worth it, but didn't really take me long tbh. And would absolutely love it if Touré lost the goal *wink*

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        4. King Eric, in America
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          No offense, but save your time. I'm positive that no human ever reads the e-mails sent to whatever level of perdition that the FPL oligarchs live on ...

          But, if you insist, do as Attila says -- but he left out that your declaration must be written in lemon juice, so as to be Top Secret/Confidential. Then they know you're serious.

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          1. Gargamel
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            They always answer me to be fair

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            1. King Eric, in America
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              A non-autogenerated answer? Then I concede the point. I'm surprised they pay a human to sift through the possible 2.3 million 'Can Bale get an assist/BPs' e-mails each week ...

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              1. Gargamel
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                Yeah.

                I've not e-mailed them often but perhaps 3 times with questions about dubious assists and they've always given me their interpretation of the situations.

                I guess it's also in what question you ask and how you ask it, I doubt they take their time to answer bonus point complaints for example.

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          2. Attila the Bum
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            +1
            Damn forget the lemon juice, what an amateur

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  22. â­ Bemba_Da â­
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    Bentley looks a good shout for bham for triple gameweek, he will be on set-peices

    He has been good so far but will have to watch his performances for bham over the coming weeks

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      Bentleys FPL potential is massively affected by whether Larsson (who I think is a much better player) stays at Birmingham or not. If he goes then Bentley could be worth a punt, if not, not.

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    2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      Not cheap though is he.

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    3. Lincos
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      Bentley was a good shout 3 years ago..

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      1. Boom!!!
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        too expensive.

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    4. Tuncaybackwards
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      You'd be better off getting Foster and two Birmingham defenders if you know what I'm saying. Going forward...well...do they go forward?

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      1. Funkyav
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        They do go forward but they dont score nearly enough. They had one decent chance in 1st half and derbyshire fluffed it completely!

        Hleb seems to have written into his contract that he should always pass when in a scoring opportunity. He has got to be one of the most infuriating players to watch ever.

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        1. Tuncaybackwards
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          Haha. Hleb's style doesn't work well for Birmingham if I'm honest with you. I hope he does come good because I rate him as a player, you don't get to play for Arsenal and Barcelona in your career if you don't have something about you. Saying that, you can't rest on your laurels and he needs to stop complaining about Birmingham's style and use his experience to find a way to cope with it.

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  23. Tuncaybackwards
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    Two questions lads. N'Zogbia or A.Young for the dgw? And how is Murphy playing?

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    1. Funkyav
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      Nzog

      and

      OK nowt special

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      1. Tuncaybackwards
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        Thanks. I was leaning towards N'Zog too, just needed some clarity ha.

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  24. Elts
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    Hi All, can I have any comments or advice on my team for the next gameweek please?

    Foster (Carson)
    Vidic, Baines, Bardsley (Foley, Williamson)
    VDV, Nani (c), Dempsey, Adam, Fabs
    Torres, Berbs (Carroll)

    Cheers in advance

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    1. Hank van Tek
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      Get rid of Carson. Dire, dire 'keeper and has been dropped, so should anything happen to Foster you won't have a goalie!

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      1. Elts
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        yeah, agree. I never play him and was going to change him with my WC. What about the rest?

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  25. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    Liverpool - Reina, Kelly, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Meireles, Lucas, Spearing, Maxi, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Gulacsi, Kyrgiakos, Cole, Aurelio, Shelvey, Pacheco, Babel.

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    1. Gargamel
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      Persisting with Johnson to the left even after last weeks horror show. Oh dear.

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      1. Will
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        Bugger, I was hoping he'd be pushed forward on the right.

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    2. TheHazard
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      Kelly starting to look like a decent shout for a wild card team.

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    3. Portsmouth Bubblejet
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      Konchesky not even on the bench - glad I got rid of him yesterday.

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    4. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      Everton (i think) - Howard, Neville, Baines, Distin, Heitinga, Coleman, Fellaini, Osman, Arteta, Beckford, Anichebe.

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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        Subs: Mucha, Hibbert, Bilyaletdinov, Vaughan, Gueye, Baxter Rodwell

        No pienaar anywhere

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        1. TheHazard
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          I think Pienaar's overrated. Just don't understand why he so sought-after or why he thinks he can throw his weight around at a club like Everton.

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  26. McDog
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    Does anyone know how long Luke Young is out for...I have Kyle Walker and he is looking a decent prospect out thre today..

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  27. andy85wsm
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    Well played Scout picks! I nearly doubled up on Bham with Foster and Roger Johnson as you said he was due a goal. But instead I went with Djourou. Of course it's too early to say if they will get clean sheets as well.

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  28. FPL Emu
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    José Enrique plays really well every time I watch Newcastle.

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    1. Gargamel
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      Smashing player.

      Could break into the Spanish national side soon I reckon

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  29. bossa
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    Im impressed with FFscout picking RJohnson!

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  30. bossa
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    Maybe I should have gotten Kelly instead of Skrtel. It looks like his place is cemented. I thought that GJohnson would be preferred and Aurelio would play LB. But GJ playing lb? lollll.

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    1. Declan
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      I hope Coleman's starting, might give him a tough time!

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