634x258 The Stock Check
8 December 2012 4038 comments
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Michu delivers again to punish those who placed the captaincy on a Sunderland arm, as Fernando Torres steps up to spank Martin O’Neill’s beleaguered Black Cats. With Reading blanking at Southampton, this was a day of double Gameweek disappointment, with many of us now looking forlornly for midweek returns. For now, here’s the Stock Check on Saturday six offerings…

On the Up

Fernando Torres
An outstanding day for the Spaniard who suggested he could yet be revived under the stewardship of Rafa Benitez. A calm volleyed finish handed Chelsea the lead at the Stadium of Light, with a converted a spot-kick notching a second before half-time. The penalty was taken by Torres despite Eden Hazard being on the pitch – clearly, having missed in Europe in midweek, the Belgian has now relinquished duties to Torres which boosts his stock. It remains to be seen if he keeps them once Frank Lampard earn starts. With an assist thrown in, today was Torres’ biggest Fantasy points haul of the season.

Juan Mata
A sixth goal of the season and his second in consecutive matches continued to see Mata stand head and shoulders above Eden Hazard as the weapon of choice in Chelsea’s midfield. A blank in Gameweek 17 will temper investment but, despite Hazard’s assist for Torres’ opener, Mata currently looks set to earn back some of the ownership he lost having been subject to recent rotation.

Michu
How much higher can this man’s stock really climb? Michu is now the leading scorer in the Premier League with 12 goals, an outstanding return for a midfielder who began the season priced at just 6.5. He has since exploded but even at 7.8, there are few players who appear as essential as the Swansea man.

Sebastian Bassong
A third goal of the season – all of which have arrived in a four Gameweek spell, continued Bassong’s incredible run of form. Firmly established in the Canaries backline, his threat from set-plays, coupled with a newfound solidity under Chris Hughton, is shaping the former Spurs man into a bargain at 4.7 in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

Robert Snodgrass
A superb deadball strike followed on from two assists in the Canaries unlikely win at Swansea, as the former Leeds man took his turn to stand out amongst the Canaries midfield. Fantasy managers are still struggling to find a single target in Hughton’s outfit but Snodgrass put in a strong application today with a quality contribution and a big points haul.

Jason Puncheon
A second goal of the season for Puncheon who has now started the last six for Nigel Adkins’ side. With five assists to his name and a price tag of just 4.6, Puncheon continues to thrive and emerge as a very strong budget option in the FPL, which could allow Raheem Sterling owners to cash in on the Liverpool man’s recent price hike. A blank in Gameweek 17 could keep Puncheon’s ownership in check, for now.

Nathaniel Clyne
The young full-back delivered his second assist of the season for Puncheon’s strike, whilst registering a second clean sheet in four matches. In that four Gameweek spell, Southampton have conceded just two goals. At 4.0, Clyne is another budget defender in ascendency.

Adam Johnson
A second league goal of the season provided a consolation for Martin O’Neill’s side in the defeat to Chelsea, whilst rewarding those who risked drafting in the winger over other targets in the Sunderland lineup.

The Villa Defence
A clean sheet against Stoke was perhaps anticipated but doesn’t detract from the fact that Paul Lambert’s side have now conceded just a single goal in their last four league outings. Away games at Liverpool and Chelsea up next, will doubtless dampen the enthusiasm but Villa’s back four is one to watch.

Mikel Arteta
Two goals from the spot takes Arteta to three for the season and may just have Fantasy managers taking notice. At 7.7 in the FPL, attention seems unlikely but, in the Sky Sports effort, where Arteta is the leading bonus point scorer, his stock is going through the roof.

Going Down

Steven Fletcher
The ankle injury sustained at Norwich last weekend kept the Scot out of the home clash with Chelsea and reduced his double Gameweek to a single. He’ll hopefully be in contention for the midweek meeting with Reading, to offer at least some reward for those who backed him for the Black Cats’ double-header.

The Sunderland Defence
Breached early on by Chelsea, hopes of strong returns from investment in the likes of Simon Mignolet and Carlos Cuellar were dashed, as the visitors ran riot. The Black Cats have now conceded 13 goals in their last seven with just one clean sheet in that run – against the bottom club QPR. Reading will fancy their chances on Tuesday.

The Swansea Defence
Having looked to be showing an improvement in recent weeks, keeping two clean sheets in the last four, today they were shambolic and had no answer to Norwich’s crosses and aerial threat. Scout Pick, Ben Davies, did at least deliver the assist for Michu’s strike.

Liam Ridgewell
Restored to the side post “toilet-gate”, the left-back lasted just a few minutes at the Emirates before being forced off through injury. We await the prognosis but, with obliging fixtures to come, Ridgewell’s owners will be concerned.

Adam Lallana
Another injury victim, the Saints’ skipper was forced off in the first-half of the clash with Reading with a reported knee problem. With a blank in Gameweek 17, sales of the talented midfielder look likely, regardless of his prognosis.

Sean Morrison
The young centre-back had looked so promising in his run of starts for Reading, notching twice from set-plays. An injury sustained in the defeat to Southampton could now make Morrison a doubt for the midweek trip to Sunderland to frustrate those who took a chance on his potential for the double Gameweek.

Oscar & Eden Hazard
Oscar was always third in the pecking order when it came to Chelsea’s three musketeers but now, under Rafa’s regime, he has perhaps slipped further, despite a sparkling appearance from the bench. Victor Moses was again preferred as a starter at Sunderland, for the third game running. As for Eden Hazard, he seems to have relinquished spot-kick duties and his owners had to watch Juan Mata convert his second goal in consecutive matches to take him to six for the season, leaving Hazard in his wake.

Cesar Azpilicueta
We anticipated that the Spaniard’s stay in Chelsea’s lineup was limited and today we got further evidence to suggest that is the case. Relegated to the bench Gary Cahill and David Luiz starting and Branislav Ivanovic at right-back, it seems that Azpilicueta is destined for a cameo role, particularly considering that John Terry is nearing a return.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. tommoeommo
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Can someone dare to give me a prediction as to what poistion in the fantasy scout league I'll be in after this gameweek given my reamining palyers?? Team linked... Many thanks

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  2. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    Im hoping it was an off day for pilk

    Who thinks he will come good ?

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    1. UnderstandablyDistraught
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      If he doesn't do something against wigan I would ditch him for someone cheaper

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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        13 years, 1 month ago

        He seems a home player judging by his goals so far

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        1. UnderstandablyDistraught
          • 14 Years
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          similar to last year. His pts came in spurts at home

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  3. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
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    Tremmel beaten twice at his near post FFS

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    1. tommoeommo
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      unforgivable

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      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
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        The wall broke up for the Snods free too

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    2. SpinyNorman [*_*]
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Crap GK

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  4. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    What do I do with Bale, considering i've also got Puncheon and Clyne with no game?

    Jaaskelainen;
    Shorey, Rafael, Cameron;
    Bale, Fellaini, Michu, Sessegnon;
    RVP(c), Berbatov, Suarez(vc).

    Subs: Mignolet; Davies, Puncheon, Clyne.

    1FT, £3.4m in the bank.

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    1. Doctor X
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Cafthzthorla?

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    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      ive similar dilema..id do bale to cazorla/walcott and following gw sess to mata

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Hmmmm, but as soon as Bale returns i'd want him back....

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        1. Optimus.
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          might be slighty cheaper though..could also be out for longer than a week or 3

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    3. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I would just keep (as you didnt bin this week) unless there are news saying he will miss the Stoke game

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    4. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      You can actually get rid of him. and make a profit since he will fall about 0.3 to 0.4

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      1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        then get him back i mean. Obviously that depends on how much you purchased him, But at the moment hes going down about 50% a day red flagged which is huge.

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    5. merdok04
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Arsenal look terrible. Slow play, slow build up. I would grab Mata instead

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  5. Doctor X
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    13 years, 1 month ago

    That Cazorla dive was oh so shameful 😉

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      3 points, all that matters! 😉

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    2. Stephen - Robot Daniels
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I turned a blind eye to Ridgewell's dive, I'll turn a blind eye to this one if there's points in it....

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  6. Sting
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Had planned to bring Mata back in after the blank, but he's gone and scored in both games, reallyyyy regret dropping him.

    Will he rise before GW 17 starts ?

    Need to do Sterling>> Punch, Sess>>Mata to complete the deal.

    So will they both rise this week ?

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    1. SC not pearls before swine
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I don't think they'll rise. But who knows? There are some crazy FPL players out there, but I think most look at the first fixture their acquisition will play.

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  7. grifster69
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    My team
    Beg foster
    Cuellar shawx demel Nastacic Baird
    Bale mata puncheon sterling Adam Johnson
    Rvp Berb giroud

    1.8 in bank
    What's the priority two frees next week Johnson/bale/giroud which two and for whom?
    Thanks

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  8. tommoeommo
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    lost on last page
    Can someone dare to give me a prediction as to what poistion in the fantasy scout league I’ll be in after this gameweek given my reamining palyers?? Team linked… Many thanks

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    1. UnderstandablyDistraught
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      dunno

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      1. tommoeommo
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        helpful

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    2. GYM JUNKIE
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      nice rank. should be up there for sure.

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    3. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      888

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      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        666

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        1. 4vets
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Christ, yes!

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        2. tommoeommo
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          This site never fails to amaze me, some helpful people, the rest are just clowns. The same people who leave the stupid comments are the same people who come on begging for advice to fix their ridiculously poor team. Scott, at least your comment was sensible

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          1. heartsattack
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            To be fair it was a fairly daft question.

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          2. 4vets
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer... go figure.

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          3. The Bandit
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Well if you make a post that is clearly just designed to boast your rank you deserve all you get...

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            1. tommoeommo
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              Not boasting my rank, I comment fairly regularly, mainly offering my opinion to people. I was basically just trying to find out if 32 points with a few players to go would likely see me rise or fall. If i had've asked 'is 32 with 4 players to go any good?' it would've been a silly question as it is relative to your position. So asking will i go up the fantasy league i think is a valid one

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              1. King Eric, in America
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 1 month ago

                Hmmm .... let's see ... average rank = 244K ... yep, you know "ridiculously poor teams" when you see them.

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          4. UnderstandablyDistraught
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            finished wanking now?

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            1. tommoeommo
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 1 month ago

              aye, over your ma's t i t s

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              1. tommoeommo
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                13 years, 1 month ago

                was sick after it too, was one of those dirty ones you feel like a hallion after

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                1. UnderstandablyDistraught
                  • 14 Years
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                  I didn't know that behind that fine rank was such a fine man. Well done.

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          5. King Eric, in America
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Jog off.

            Stupid request, yours. Received the quality answer it deserved.

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          6. Optimus.
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            what you didnt like what you heard?

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    4. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Become a member, you'd be fifth in the members league... 😉

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      1. tommoeommo
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Wild Rover, is it actually worth the money???

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        1. The Bandit
          • 15 Years
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          Obviously not....

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          1. 4vets
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            😆 .

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  9. sy
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    My Internet is down so using my phone, can someone help me out and give me the information on risers and fallers for tonight

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    1. DaveZubie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Going up: Michu, Defoe, Bassong, Morrison (reading), Adam Johnson
      Down: Walcott

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    2. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
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      13 years, 1 month ago

      Michu, Miguel
      Defoe, Jermain
      Bassong, Sebastien
      Morrison, Sean
      Johnson, Adam
      Jaaskelainen, Jussi

      All rising

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  10. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Cazorla has so many shots each game. Shame he scuffles them, a bit Suarezque

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  11. Timmy Cahill Rules
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Why did i pick pilk over snodgrass

    what a mug i am i was toying between the 2 ?

    GUTTED

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    1. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      You picked him because he has a decent chance of scoring and assisting Norwich goals, just not today.

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        true im just feeling down on my luck

        1 good week and i will be positive again

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        1. heartsattack
          • 14 Years
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          Good man. That's the spirit. Have a brandy in a proper glass, start smoking a pipe, buy a border collie.

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  12. Lrf
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Baps fairy predictions?

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Arteta 3, Sagna 2, Vermaelen 1, Gibbs 1 (no one wants the 2 and 1)
      Shawcross 3, Lowton 2, don’t care 1
      Puncheon 3, Clyne 3, Shaw 1
      Torres 3, Mata 2, Johnson 1 (in the mix Cahill, Cole)
      Snodgrass 3, Holt 2, Bassong 1 (in the mix Whittaker, De Guzman)
      McCarthy 3, Beausejour 2, Nelsen 1

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      1. Bøwstring The Carp
        • 14 Years
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        Wonder if Mertesacker could get any despite the YC

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      2. Lrf
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Thanks!

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      1. Lrf
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        TY

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    2. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Mata 2, Michu 0, Puncheon 3 of your players.

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      1. Lrf
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Cheers!

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  13. Sting
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Best sub 5.5m defender for the next 4 weeks ?

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    1. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Gibbs/Merts

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    2. Demelbrush
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      A west brom defender maybe? Tottenham have easy fixtures so possible Caulker?

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    3. GoonerByron
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Caulker or Sagna

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    4. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Caulker

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    5. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Not caulker as BAE will return soon.

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      1. Sting
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        How soon is he due to return ? I had planned Caulker, may have to change to Mertesacker or Sagna ?

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        1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          It says next week 0.0. Then who knows what will happen with caulker and Vert will likely partner Gallas in Centre.

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  14. Demelbrush
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Any west brom fans know what's going on with BJ and Popov - they going to rotate or is P pretty much nailed on?

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    1. Doctor X
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I dont think BJ will get a game anymore. And Popov looks ready to slot in for Ridgy if hes out for long.

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Different flanks. Popov will fill in for Ridgewell when he's out. BJ is at risk from Reid I believe.

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      1. Demelbrush
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Right so the best west brom defender to have (considering price) is probably Olsson?

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        1. Doctor X
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah!

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          1. Demelbrush
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 1 month ago

            Cheers lads. I'll probably get him in for the fairly decent run they have. But a bit concerned by their lack of clean sheets...Foster back should help I guess

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  15. Clintymints
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Hmm

    Alrite before tomorrow coems, the safest of the Wham backline for 4.0 or so...

    Demel!?

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    1. SpinyNorman [*_*]
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      George Michael?

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      1. Keep Calm and Sessegnon
        • 15 Years
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        argh didn't refresh before posting. Shamefully slow in comparrison

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    2. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
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      McCartney but hes injured atm.

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      1. Clintymints
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Ya reckon

        thought he was just being dropped? He's on my team at the min but wana see him get game time again

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    3. Keep Calm and Sessegnon
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      George Michael

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  16. SpinyNorman [*_*]
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    De Guzman and Bassong...

    Welcome to my FPL thoughts

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  17. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    @ Royscalleranne and In Like Flynn , sorry for the misunderstanding - no offence intended.
    I see now its a glitch on iPhone/3G connection.
    Thanks to Parmtree and Heartsattack for helping to clear up - if you see lads you might tell them I was on I'm off - see ye later.

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      detective bubbles is on the case and checking up already 😉

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    2. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      No problem.
      It might have been prudent not to throw "double indemnity" accusations out into FFS before you were clear about the facts.
      Chinese whispers have a habit of spreading (I'm looking at you Optimus 😉 )

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  18. Doctor X
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Begovic - Jaaskelainen
    Rangel - Cuellar - Evans - Shorey - Gunter
    Mata - Fellaini - Michu - Cazorla - Sterling
    Suarez - Fletcher - Van Persie

    1.4 ITB

    Does the best move look like Rangel > Caulker/Sagna or Fletcher > Defoe?

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    1. merdok04
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Get rid of Fletcher. 45 minutes last week, and nothing today. I just brought in Defoe so i am curious to see if he continues;)

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  19. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Hows this looking fellas post DGW?

    -------Bego(Cerny)--------
    McCartney--ShawX--Davies (Shorey,Stam)
    Walcott-Mata-Michu-Bale-(Puncheon)
    ---Aguero-RVP-Suarez------

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      decent but mata has no game and walcott might not be fit

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      1. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        And doubling up on Stoke won't last forever

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        1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 1 month ago

          Yes. I felt Jelous that my ML leader is tripling on stoke defence and getting away with it. SO annoying and flukish.

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      2. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        True. But will ahve to rely on RVP C bailing me out that week 😀

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  20. Timmy Cahill Rules
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Sess looking sharp in highlights

    hopefully abit of luck v reading.........

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Better!! I changed C to Michu from him at last Moment!!!

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  21. crystalpalaceRus
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    If Tevez is benched tomorrow do you think i should replace with Suarez and also get in a Norwich attacker?

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    1. v12w12
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Too early too say I think

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  22. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Any chance of a bap for Johnson?

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    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      as soon as i get home and free willy 😉

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  23. Jebiga
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    if you have walcott, would you dump him tonight for Guthrie (need funds to do Fletcher out for Suarez)

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Hell no. Walcott is playing second striker effectively. Could also be back next week.

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    2. Bielsa's Blue Bucket
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Not Guthrie he doesn't play

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  24. Timmy Cahill Rules
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Torres on fire .............

    My strike force is so good so im staying clear

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    1. Stephen - Robot Daniels
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      I don't think I could mentally handle having Torres in my team....

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        same would rather have kun yes rotation but a consistent goal scorer

        and with rooney and suarez im happy with that combo

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    2. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Judging by your rank i'd beg to differ 😉

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  25. Hot Sauce
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Taarabt off at 57m.. Injury?

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    1. GYM JUNKIE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      tactical maybe. was on a yellow too.

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  26. Doctor X
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    I love watching Wayne Rooney on Derby day, he just springs to life he does.

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Score overhead kick, he will.

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      1. Fantasy Football Friend!
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 1 month ago

        Feisty one, you are!

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    2. Fantasy Football Friend!
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Not last season 🙁

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  27. Fantasy Football Friend!
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Torres looks awesome!!, the end truly is nigh!!

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    1. King Eric, in America
      • 15 Years
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      😆

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  28. Clintymints
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    I'm filled with self doubt

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  29. Stephen - Robot Daniels
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    MON looks like a confused old man that's escaped from the nursing home....

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    1. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Yep. I worry for him. I hope the wife situation is OK. She was very ill before?
      He looks a shadow of his former self.

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  30. v12w12
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 1 month ago

    Bale or Mata?

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    1. Clintymints
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 1 month ago

      Both

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