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17 April 2013 703 comments
Mark Mark
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Fantasy football is a simple game – in many ways, that remains its strength. While games such as the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) have embroidered the basic foundations of the original Fantasy League game, changes to the trusted formula have been few and far between: when the games do iterate, they do it gradually.

In contrast, Premier League football has shifted dramatically in recent seasons. Tactically, the top-flight teams have adapted shape and formation to the extent that we’re seeing very few take to the field in a traditional 4-4-2, opting instead for an adaptation of 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3. The lone forward, with flanking attackers or a support striker raiding from just in front of the midfield, is now becoming the norm when Sky reel out their pre-match graphics. This has had several knock-on effects on the roles that players adopt on a weekend and, subsequently their Fantasy output over the season. The question is, are the folk behind our Fantasy games aware of the impact this is having and are they brave enough to adapt accordingly?

For me, the popularity of the 4-5-1 or the 4-4-1-1 and the increased use of the lone striker is the main contributor to the growth of the Fantasy team template. The formation has changed the roles of individuals in the player list, making the key targets obvious and consigning yet another batch of players to limbo status along with defensive midfielders.

With so many teams playing a lone striker, we’re seeing our choice in this position narrowed immediately. A whole swathe of talented forwards such as Lukas Podolski, Kevin Mirallas, Peter Odemwingie and Danny Welbeck are rarely given the opportunity to flourish in a 4-4-2 – instead deployed wide and therefore banished to the cupboard by Fantasy managers, only to be called upon when the fixture list and, in particular, double Gameweeks, add to their limited attraction.

In addition, the midfield pool is also narrowed as a result of the growth of the support striker. Players such as Michu, Marouane Fellaini and Kevin Nolan emerge as obvious targets that are available for midfield prices but are thrust into the attack and capable of earning profits to surpass the majority of strikers on offer, let alone wingers.

So both the forward and midfield talent pools become smaller. In the FPL, we find ourselves picking from a cast of around 15 players to fill eight slots. Budget and mid-price options supplement this and rise and fall in popularity but, basically, as the 4-4-1-1 has flourished, we’ve seen obvious targets emerge to reduce the variety on show within our teams and leagues.

I’ve spoken before on how I see an additional attacking midfielder position or perhaps just a new “attacker” or “forward” position to complement the “strikers”. This fifth pool of players would incorporate the likes of Michu and Mirallas, forcing us to sign traditional midfielders in our midfield (Mousa Dembele, Mikel Arteta etc), whilst choosing from a pool of support strikers, wingers and flanking forwards to accompany our choice of lone strikers (Robin Van Persie, Sergio Aguero). This would not only open up the possibility of greater variety in our squads, it would make it a hell of lot easier to classify the likes of Michu every season: in many ways, he’s not a striker or a midfielder – he’s a “forward” or an “attacker”.

Without a change and with the 4-4-1-1 variants looking likely to remain in vogue, we’re facing another season where templates will form, while Fantasy game organisers spend the summer pondering what to do with Michu and Fellaini. Don’t force players into Fantasy football positions that fail to reflect their role. Create a new position to reflect their contributions and the changing face of tactics in the Premier League.

One of the objectives of Fantasy games next and every season, should to ensure that as much of the player list remains active. That not only the defensive midfielders have a role to play, but also those players marginalised by the 4-4-1-1 come back into the reckoning. When I make my pre-season Watchlist, I want to consider more players; I want to find value in wingers and support strikers – either through price but, ideally, through the adaptation of the classic positions or the evolution of scoring methods that recognise their contribution – even when deployed as flank attackers.

It’s a major puzzle for those behind the games but, again, those that take time to analyse the impact of the recent tactical trends and hone their game accordingly will surely have an opportunity to future proof their game, whilst increasing their appeal to an audience that is evolving its own tactical nous and appreciation of Premier League football.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Is it worth hanging on to Fellaini with the hope that Osman will make a speedy return and Fellaini will go back to his attacking role?

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  2. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22184198 can barely recognise petrov in this picture, looks like a hungover vidic, sad

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    1. HVT
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Hope things work out for Stylian - perspective.

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    2. alang
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      Didnt have to make the vidic comment

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      1. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        in hindsight you're right

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    3. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      very sad

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    4. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Very sad.

      On a related, but lighter (and more pedantic) note - the Villa fans actually give their applause in the 20th minute of every game as they wait until 19 minutes have elapsed.

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  3. HVT
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    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Fpl should be able to reclassify players eg Coleman as the season evolves

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    1. The3rdTurd
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      It would mean managers who own re-classified players would have to rejig their squads in order to comply with the formation constraints, much like if you have 3 players from the same team and one of your other players is transferred to that team in the January window, suddenly you have 4 players from the same team and you are on a transfer embargo until you sort that out.

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  4. SPorting
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    All nice ideas but I feel that this place is becoming like a workers union (quite apt with today's events in London).

    We can all scream, shout, push, shove and theorise these articles to death but nothing will come of it.

    FPL will continue to be FPL and the 1 million or more of casual players won't give a hoot.

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Ah wheres Doosra.

      I was right about the coal mines. Had we kept mining at the same rate we would have been out of coal within 5 years. At the moment were running out in 2018 and we have been mining it at about a 20th of the extraction rate during Maggies time.

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      1. HVT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Time for a brew methinks 😉

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      2. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thank you Mr. Scargill.

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          No problem. The stats on UK energy sources are trully horrific, any ideas of self sufficiency are stupid. The French have us over a barrell on Nuclear energy as they own all but one of the nuclear powerplants in the entire world.

          Where did it all go wrong?

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    2. Pasqualinho
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      12 years, 7 months ago

      But the game does evolve without radical change, and don't think for one minute that FPL Towers don't scan through FFS for ideas - because I'm pretty sure they do. The constant changing rules for BPs are testament to this, and the fact that we can't buy relegation-threatened goalkeepers for 3 Million any more.

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      1. SPorting
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        They may well scan through these pages but the throughput time is mind-numbingly slow.

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        1. Pasqualinho
          • 16 Years
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          Changes can only really be implemented once a year, before each season starts - this can only be as expected.

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          1. SPorting
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            12 years, 7 months ago

            If they won't listen, we'll make them listen!!!!

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  5. Deano
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Apologies for off topic however I'm about to pull stumps down under and will not be able to watch the games with a big day at work tomorrow.

    Chasing some predictions:

    WHU vs mun
    MCI vs wig
    FUL vs cfc
    Rafael starting
    Zabaleta starting
    Mata starting

    Cheers guys.

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      0-3
      2-0
      1-3
      don't think he will
      think he will
      think he will

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      1. beric
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        *not based on anything really

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    2. HVT
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      3-1
      3-0
      2-2
      No
      Yes
      Yes

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    3. Back to Back Ballacks
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      1-2
      2-0
      2-1
      Yes
      No
      Yes

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      1. Deano
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers guys, I'm thinking

        1-2
        3-1
        0-2
        Yes
        Yes
        No

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        1. Zen Waa
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          0-1
          4-0
          0-2
          No
          Yes
          No

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  6. beric
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I've been following a very successful tipster on facebook, so far he's won me money on all games i've followed him on.

    Today's bet is:

    First Goalscore Robin Van Persie at 5.4. Stake 1pt.
    Anytime Goalscorer Robin Van Persie at 2.22. Stake 4pts.

    Total Stake 5pts.

    Good omens for RVP owners 😀

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    1. alang
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      What goes up must come down

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I like

      What odds does he give for Rooney, and for a United CS?

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      1. beric
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        He doesn't, he just spends '5pts' on a set of bets, doesn't talk about alternatives. I think the odds are from betfair

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          • 14 Years
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          ah I see.

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    3. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Roughly doubles your money with a bit extra. What the hell I'll give this a go. Can you link his page?

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      1. beric
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        https://www.facebook.com/groups/397888040258429/?fref=ts but it's a closed group, i was lucky enough to get in when he made it

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    4. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      this was his analysis of the match:

      Utd won the reverse fixture 1-0 and Van Persie was the scorer on that occassion. He has hit a bit of a slump in form recently before scoring a penalty at Stoke on Sunday. That may be all he needs to spark another run of form. He has scored 4 goals against the Hammers in his last 3 Premier League games and he also scored at Upton Park earlier this season in the F.A.Cup. 61% of the shots on target that West Ham have conceded this season, have all come from inside the box, which could further help Van Persie's cause tonight. This suggests that their midfielders are pretty good at stopping shots from being hit outside the box. Possibly thats because you have to get past Diame who is a monster of a player, a bit like a slow Toure at City. Once past the midfield though, their defence looks easier to navigate and all in all this game should really suit Van Persie for a penalty box finish

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  7. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    April 17 at 2:46 pm
    JAFOOLI (C) - UP THE JAGS SAYS:

    Repost apologies, bottom of page syndrome. % chance of these fellas starting tonight, please:

    1. Zabaleta
    2. Clichy
    3. Sinclair
    4. Cahill
    5. Hazard (c)
    6. Ramires
    7. Ba
    8. Di Santos
    9. Defoe

    My H2H opp has all this lot and I’m only 30pts ahead with RVP (c). Thanks…….

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  8. Gav
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The problem with stats based bonus points is that there are so many aspects of football you cannot capture.

    I played football at a decent level as a kid and was told that 80% of football is what you do when you havent got the ball. It sounds ridiculous but when you think about it, you could argue its higher.

    How do you measure marking, tracking runners, or when attackers make runs to take defenders out the way, or the right winger who tirelessly makes the same run all game making space or 'tying up' a defender.

    How you you measure coming off a post at a corner resulting in a goal as -ppi
    or switching off and leaving your man on half way resulting in a gaol in -ppi
    or being caught out of position meaning someone else in the team gets dragged out leaving a hole, or taking a yellow card.

    you can go on.

    and to this end the only way you can reward the "best" players on the pitch is by watching the game.

    unless you make some super duper version of the game where everything is factored in then simplicity has to be the way to go. The format is good, i agree the range of players is often limited and other than bonus point changes a balls recovered and 1 point every 2 saves for a keeper would be the only changes i'd make. And, to that end, you can argue how a world class save can be valued the same as a scuffed shots from 20 yards save. and so it continues....

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Nice grav

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    2. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      your comment about what you do when you haven't got the ball is why i hate when you see an article saying defender x is better than defender y because he has more blocks, duel success etc etc. stats like anticipated the danger don't exist as they're not stat friendly/easily recognisable. if you read the danger early and position yourself properly you don't have to make the goal saving block. blocks imo are actually a sign of a clumsy defender so witht hem seemingly so high scoring in ppi/bonus points i dislike it. steven taylor/richard dunne/gary cahill etc are seen as the hero for throwing thier body in the way of a shot. the shot was taken because they lost their man in the first place. saying that i like interceptions as a measure of a player.

      example top 10 players in the premier league for blocks (it's block per game rather than overall, so a fair measure)

      1 nathan baker
      2 ashley williams
      3 ryan nelsen
      4 gary cahill
      5 james collins
      6 adrian mariappa
      7 clint hill
      8 ciaran clark
      9 ryan shawcross
      10 jonas olsson

      hardly a list of paulo maldinis

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      1. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
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        ryan nelsen is actually 5th in the league for interceptions too so for me a sign of a classy defender (thought he was brilliant this season depite QPR's struggles) in a bombarded defence (more shots faced therefore more blocks possible in theory)

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        1. Rafael
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          olo

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      2. kroky
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That is not entirely the case. Sometimes those defenders make those goal saving blocks after a different defender lost their man or from a midfielder. To say it's the sign of a clumsy defender is just wrong.it depends on the defender.

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        1. applebonkers
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          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          overall i really believe it, simply based on those players who have the most blocks and watching the matches.
          saying my comment is just wrong is doing the exact same as you're accusing me of, over-generalising. the difference is i know why i said something and the context behind it.

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          1. kroky
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I wasn't saying your comment was completely wrong. If you look at any of the best defenders in the world. They all make goal saving tackles all the time,that is why they are the best in the world because they were able to read the situation and get there just in time. Poor defenders generally don't get the tackle in. I was a defender myself so I know why I'm saying it and the context behind it.

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            1. applebonkers
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              • 16 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              ffs, knew you would misinterpret that. i know why i said something whilst you don't know the full story why i said it. not you don't know what you are saying. likewise i don't know the full story behind why you are saying something, unless we write 1000+ words which no one wants to see

              all i'll argue is this:
              nathan baker being has the most blocks per match in the premier league. he's the 3rd choice centre back in the 2nd worst defence in the league

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              1. kroky
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                🙂 I might have misinterpreted your last line maybe. That stat is for blocks,not last ditch goal saving blocks right? Villa being the 2nd worst defence in the league are going to have a lot of shots taken against them,so seeing baker so high up not that much of a surprise. I'm not saying he is a great defender or anything

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                1. Gav
                  • 16 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  blocks are down to conceeding a shot at goal, which is then of course blocked. Better defenders will not give up shooting chances so easily as often they wont allow players to turn, make them pass, show them away, put it on their preferred foot etc.

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                  1. kroky
                    • 14 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    I think your points there are all valid. I actually think it's very subjective. Even the very best defenders cannot always stop shots being taken by their positioning etc. And clumsy defenders will obviously draw more shots and opportunities for blocks by their poor defending. But also great defenders use their reading of the game to be able to make that block or last ditch tackle,whereas a poor defender would be nowhere near the ball

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                2. applebonkers
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                  • 16 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  yeah i definitely agree you'd expect to see defenders from poorer teams there as they're on the back foot more in theory, facing more attacks and shots etc.
                  you say you don't believe he's a great defender or anything but if you judge it on blocks nathan baker is the best defender in the premier league this season, that's my issue really. i'm sure no really really does judge it on blocks but by FPL seemingly giving blocks such high ppi they almost are.
                  i really believe tweaking the block to interception ratio would improve the bonus greatly, other ideas are tweaking the goal to assist ppi ratio but that's another debate i guess.
                  anyway i was worried you'd read that 'i know why i said it' line the wrong way and take it as a petty internet slanging match. it's not, i actually agree with you that it's over-generalising a bit.

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                  1. kroky
                    • 14 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    Oh the fpl ppi system is about as flawed and unfair as it gets. I've been on here mainly lurking for years so I know your not a wind up merchant. No harm done. It was actually a pretty interesting argument/discussion.

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          2. Gav
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I'd tend to agree with the notion that mainly last ditch blocks or tackles are due to being out of position, being the wrong side or getting done in the first instance, but take the point it could be covering for a team mate who has done the same.

            The sign of a top class defender is one who doesn't need the ball. They make the man they are marking a poor choice of pass due to the fact their positioning, tracking and decision making is so good. Its impossible to capture that with stats.

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            1. kroky
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              I agree with that,I just don't agree with saying that last ditch blocks are the sign of a clumsy defender. You hardly ever hear a pundit or commentator saying " clumsy last ditch tackle there to save the ball being buried in the back of the net"

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              1. applebonkers
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                • 16 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                not last ditch blocks individually, they may be a stunning piece of defending and not be anything to do with being caught out of position, rather a great passing move or another defender being caught out/losing the ball.
                overall however i really think the players who make the most blocks are usually who i'd deem the clumsiest (for premier league standards, it's all relative of course). in fact if you asked me to name the clumsiest defender in the league i'd actually have said nathan baker, aka clutz deluxe

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                1. kroky
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 7 months ago

                  I actually agree with that completely man. The only thing I disagree with what you said really was that a last ditch block is a sign of a clumsy defender.

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                  1. applebonkers
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                    • 16 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    i should have said 'often is', or 'can be'

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                  2. kroky
                    • 14 Years
                    12 years, 7 months ago

                    That would have prevented this whole argument 🙂

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    3. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      The problems you highlight are to do with capturing the relevant stats, rather than a problem with a stats-based system per se.

      A bonus system based on watching the game is all well and good, but it leads to subjective outcomes as we saw with the 'man in the stand' approach. I think an objective stats-based approach is preferable, but it must be based as far as possible on a methodology that takes into account all the apparently intangible things you mention above.

      Until this can all be satisfactorily captured in stats, I would favour a dual approach where the bonuses are a 50/50 combination of a stats based approach and the 'man in the stand' approach. I would also make the human element based on a group of people watching the game independently rather than just one man.

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      1. Nibbsy
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Do we know for sure that the previous system wasn't based on a group of people rather than just one person?

        Stats based is far preferable imo, remove the subjectivity completely. The only problem with the current system is it rewards and penalises certain stats too heavily.

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        1. The3rdTurd
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I don't know. I think it was FPL themselves who used the term 'man in the stand', so I was taking that at face value.

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        2. Natas
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I think the subjectivity is what makes it fun. I would rather wait in anticipation to see how the bonus judges rated the players than to wait for a computer to judge based on extremely subjective stats. Stats will never be as objective as anyone thinks unless they can capture literally evry single thing. If subjectivity is the case, which it is, I would rather it be a person that a Bap Chap algorithm cant predict.

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          1. Natas
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Is it funner to argue about what f'n game the bonus judges were watching or to argue about Luis suarez' 10 shotts off target even though he dominated the game.

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    4. Nibbsy
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      This is all just to do with the benefit of picking players from the best teams isn't it? All those 'immeasurables' are at least partly accounted for by the fact that everyone on the team is doing them a bit better, so more chances are created and fewer conceded. And that factor is built into the FPL prices.

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  9. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Maybe we should have our own FFS fantasy game? Parallel to the FPL? Someone for us core players? I think that should be the future for FFS. A lot of this suggestions could be implemented

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  10. GreenWindmill
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I do like a good opinion piece to get some debate going 🙂

    Haven't read all comments so apologies if this is going over old ground but here's a couple of thoughts from me:

    Without a revision of the points system these changes would be more or less irrelevant. As it stands there is no reward in picking a defensive midfielder as they don't earn points, so forcing people to pick some of these midfielders is just going to mean one of two things - either everyone picks the absolute cheapest nailed on options and spends the money on other positions, or, some players are misclassified as defensive midfielders, are OOP and everyone picks them. Either way it does nothing to break the template.

    The real change needed if FPL were serious about breaking up "template teams" is to overhaul the points/bonus system so that less attacking players are actually worth owning if they do their job well on the pitch.

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    1. Pasqualinho
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Nail on the head.

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      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thank you kindly.

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    2. Tuchap - Lurker
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Fully agree.

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  11. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    For all you know, Mark has linked this article and all the posts on this one to the FPL towers.

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    1. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah, doesn't mean anything will change though.

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  12. Lord Flashheart
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    i dont have RVP and have some reservations with rooney and michu as captain this week.

    should I:
    1 - captain rooney
    2 - captain michu
    3 - lick a stapmp, put the armband on samba, commit myself to rehab, wake up in a week and check the samba (C) points. then lick another stamp.

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'd love those options. I'd go for Rooney from those

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      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        number three is quite taxing on mind and body - so trying to avoid 🙂 cheers

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  13. Demí
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Who was the last Wigan player to score away to Man City..?

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    1. Namtab Nomolos
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Boselli?

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Rodallega?

      BTW, Demi, don't know if you saw my post before but Sky Sports City v Wigan preview, claiming that Al-Habsi is pushing to keep his place. Where have they got this from?

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      1. Demí
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Their own assumption probably...

        Robles will start

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      2. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        saw this yesterday too, and they didn't just say pushing they said al habsi expected to keep his place.

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    3. Ghost Ship
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Maloney will be the next one.

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    4. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      sibierski
      camara
      heskey
      scharner
      n'zogbia
      don't know

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    5. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Just looked this up - if anyone gets it they've done the same 😆

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      1. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Regards what I wrote below, am I right?
        Think they talked about it on the footy podcast from the Guardian. Anyone listening to that? I think it's brilliant.

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    6. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'm gonna have a wild guess at Caleb Folan

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    7. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Have they ever scored against them? If yes, have they done so away? Haven't checked, but not sure they have.

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  14. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Simplicity is crucial for FPL. So i hope whatever changes are made, that they are not too extreme. Changes do need to be made though, especially to combat the formation shift we have witnessed in the modern game.

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'm not in favour of any changes tbh

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    2. Pasqualinho
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      PPI changes for me. In summary goals/assists worth less, saves worth more.

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  15. Deano
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Is it just me or does there continue to be overt on field issues between RVP and Shrek. The latter never passes to him and he obviously didn't follow the set play with that free kick against Stoke. When RVP scored his goal, Rooney was the last to congratulate him and all it was was an exchange of skin.

    I'm thinking there could be some fire behind that smoke coming from OT!

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  16. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Thoughts on my WC team appreciated I’m going well and if the WC goes good I might have a slim chance on the final day (we can all dream)

    Elliot / Mccarthy

    Demel / Sagna / Nastasic / Wilson / Clyne

    Michu / Caz / Silva / Bale / around 5.5 m ??

    Kone / RVP / Aguero

    Thanks.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Lacks DGW cover in defence

      Midfielder needs to be Maloney or Morrison IMO. Swap Caz for a Chelsea mid.

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      1. Kostja
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Jordi gomeeeeez

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      2. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        thanks I may bring in Dawson. Chelsea dgw fixtures dont appeal to me tbh

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    2. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      My worry would be aguero and Silva. I'd just get one

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      1. Arsenals Number 19. Santi C…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        there fixtures look v good though I might take the risk and go with both of them cheers

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  17. Art Vandelay
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I have a response to the bale stories from a source I trust. It is true that he has not trained yet, but this was never the plan. It was always intended that he would return to training on Friday. The club believes he has sufficient natural fitness not require any further buildup and it will all hinge on whether there is an adverse reaction to Friday's training. Not in itself particularly helpful but certainly not bad news.

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    1. Grubby
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Oh really? And what source is that from that you trust?

      I agree that this is could be the case be without a reliable source we just cannot tell.

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      1. Art Vandelay
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yes really. A source I trust from within the club.

        I thought people might be interested. The genesis of the newspaper reports is that he has not trained therefore is a doubt. This causal relationship does not exist. Of course, he might still react badly to training and then be in available.

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        1. Grubby
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Who?

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    2. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I heard he'd been caught doing blood spinning.

      Could be a in line for a heavy fine or even a lengthy ban.

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      1. Grubby
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That's legal now. Tottenham did it earlier this season with Jermain Defo.

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      2. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That is allowed isn't it

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        1. Namtab Nomolos
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Oh Garg, next time you're running the numbers with your captain script can you put id: 9 in and let me know the bad news please?

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          1. Gargamel
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Ho Namtab Notlob

            Yes, remind me again tomorrow and I'll get you your updated numbers. Some numbers are a bit iffy while a gameweek is underway, because the totalscore and some other scores are already updated for this week, while some others are not.

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            1. Gargamel
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Hi, not ho...

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              1. Namtab Nomolos
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                Thanks, will do.

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      3. Namtab Nomolos
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Harry used to take them on the Waltzers, worked a treat 😉

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      4. Art Vandelay
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        AVB has talked openly on several occasions about blood spinning. No problem with it these days.

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  18. Grubby
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Got £80 on Man Utd to win tonight.

    Hopefully RVP will score quite a few now after finally getting one in the net at the weekend and boost my team score this GW.

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    1. Kostja
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      They should get it done with the WHM defensive worries.

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  19. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The game is fine as it is. The end.

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    1. kroky
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1

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    2. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1 same advantages and disadvantages for everyone

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    3. ppv
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      wise words

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  20. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Nouveau Post

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  21. applebonkers
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    expanding on gav's ppi stats post but also linking back indirectly to template midfielders etc, here are the top 5 interceptions per match makers in the premier league (min 20apps):
    1 schneiderlin
    2 sandro
    3 chico
    4 nelsen
    5 vertonghen

    for me this is a much classier list of players than the block-smiths so IF (speculation of course as ppi is hidden) blocks are worth 4ppi and interceptions are worth 0-1 then for me that's criminal. better inerception ppi would open up more bps to deeper midfielders and/or defenders like vertonghen who stop the danger at source rather than having to throw himself at shots. imo a good thing.
    just to compare the top 10 for blocks per match includes baker, mariappa, hill, cahill (so not just weaker teams).

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  22. Sir Edo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Keep the Fantasy game as simple as it is! It will soon end up in too many categories of players if you renew the game in the way you are thinking.
    Some of the players will several times a season change position and PFL can not do anything about it. Just bought Rooney to my team, and he is now
    playing as a defence midfielder. That is a part of the game and it just makes it so fun, but not always.. 😉 !

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  23. meerlight
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    For those playing Fantasy MLS, I've just noticed that the game week starts today. deadline 19:15EDT

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  24. heco87
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Good opinion article and I agree with a lot of it. Tactics will change again though and if FPL tries to keep pace will it always be lagging behind? 4-4-2 will become fashionable again and there will be a wider pool of players to choose from.

    The void in Man Utd midfield talent has been a contributing factor to the lack of options in that position this season and then there is the need to keep things simple. FPL is so popular because I can take £10 from my work mates each season as it's easy to pick a team .. let's keep it that way :). No but seriously, much more complex would be a huge turn off to most and FPL needs to appeal to as wide an audience as possible. Tricky trying to balance the arguments - looking forward to playing the game next year come what may 🙂

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  25. martrayf
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Great article Mark. I hope you have emailed the gamemakers with the link.

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  26. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    NEW POST

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  27. JAS
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Bit late into this, but for me the problem is the new bonus point system. Now it is so heavily biased towards scoring players. Before you could have a player such as Modric (before he went to Madrid) who would dominate the centre, dominate the game and be rightfully rewarded for his efforts with 3 bonus points, giving him a reasonable score. Now those players are worthless. Today bonus points system means if you have a scoring player you effectively get twice the score. You get the points for the goals/assist, and then a nearly guaranteed bonus addition. Therefore you have to these players.

    I think if the bonus system started to reward more highly players with the most touches, most successful passes, most key passes, suddenly you would see the central midfield role dominating the bonus points system and therefore suddenly finding their way back into the squads.

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    1. Sir Edo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Remeber when we played Fantasy football when Scott Parker played for Charlton. He was awarded with three bonus points, six games in a row when dominated defensive midfield. Not fun. Football is about being creative and scoring/assisting to goals. It should be rewarded..

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  28. Gungho_Joe
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    But, surely the players with better points scoring potential just have higher prices? You can't afford to put so many 'attackers' in your team then, and are obliged to sign defensively minded players to make up the squad. Beauty of the game is its simplicity. Don't over complicate it. Current formula works just fine, in my opinion.

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  29. Gungho_Joe
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Realise I'm a bit late coming to this thread but still an interesting discussion. If you're not bored of the topic I'd love to hear your thoughts!

    As has already been said, Roscola summed it up perfectly for me on page 2. Adjusting the bonus points system to give value to defensive mids etc. would greatly improve the game.

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  30. You Must Be Jokin Ere
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Very interesting article.

    What's the solution then. A squad of 2gk, 5def, 3mf, 2 for, 3 strikers.

    Formation rules to allow max of 2 strikers on a team.
    For Goals scored, this is an idea:

    GK/DEF: 6pts
    MID: 5 pts
    FORW: 4 pts
    STRIKER: 3 pts
    PENALTIES: 3 for a goal, -2 for a miss for ALL players

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