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18 May 2013 2585 comments
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With the main contenders for the Goalkeeper, Defenders and Midfielder spots already assessed, we finally turn to the men up front. The new poll is on the home page (middle column), with two forwards available for your selection and three votes at your disposal. As always, please bear in mind that the vote is from an overall Fantasy perspective – overall points, price, performances and value should all play a part in your thinking:

Robin Van Persie
A move to Man United last August raised questions over his initial 13.0 price tag. With Wayne Rooney looking likely to share the goals and bonus points, many held concerns over Van Persie’s value but he silenced the doubters with a sensational debut season that has left Rooney on the Fantasy periphery and looking for a way out of Old Trafford. Van Persie has lived up to the “Robin Reliant” moniker once again, racking up 25 goals, 15 assists and 49 bonus points – with a single game to go, he sits at the top of the overall Fantasy Premier League (FPL) leaderboard on 256 points, 44 points ahead of any other forward. With a share of set-piece duties, Van Persie has also edged ahead of Rooney for spot-kicks – a goal or assist in 28 of his 37 appearances is indicative of the armband consistency that, to many, has proven priceless this term.

Christian Benteke
Given his contribution to the Aston Villa cause, it’s fair to say that the midlanders would almost certainly be facing up to life in the Championship if it wasn’t for the burly Belgian. Arriving in the Premier League back in August, Benteke quickly became the club’s number one striker as Darren Bent took up the role of bench-warmer. Three goals in the first 16 Gameweeks highlights a difficult settling-in period but a 15 point haul at Anfield in Gameweek 17 set the tone for what was to ensue, as Benteke proceeded to bully backlines the length and breadth of the country. Since the turn of the year, Benteke has produced 14 goals, an assist and 15 bonus points in just 17 appearances for Lambert’s side, making a mockery of his initial 6.5 starting price – expect a substantial hike next term.

Rickie Lambert
The Southampton striker arrived with a superb record in the lower leagues but concerns were raised as to whether he could replicate such a cold-eyed consistency at the top level. Lambert’s impact was immediate, however, with goals against City and United by Gameweek 3 signposting his potential as a cheap third striker. With spot-kicks and set-pieces also in his locker, the Saints forward – initially coming in at 6.0 – has since racked up 14 goals, eight assists and 31 bonus points and has remained key to his side’s attacking prospects under both Nigel Adkins and Mauricio Pochettino. Lambert sits on 180 points with a game left to go – third highest scoring forward and top value outfield player in the game.

Luis Suarez
The arrival of Brendan Rodgers at Anfield turned the Uruguayan into a bona fide Fantasy performer this season. In spite of his undoubted talents, Suarez struggled in the previous campaign and stuttered his way to just 135 points – resultantly handed a starting price of 9.5 this time out, his installation as the lone forward in Rodgers’ default 4-3-3 has proven a masterstroke. A 20 point haul at Norwich in Gameweek 6 served notice of what was to follow as Suarez registered 23 goals, 10 assists and 34 bonus points for the Reds. Despite the arrival of Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea back in January, Suarez continued to hoover up the points with a consummate ease – indeed, he still sits second for forwards, having accrued 212 point before that incident with Branislav Ivanovic put paid to his season back in Gameweek 34.

Carlos Tevez
While Sergio Aguero limped out of City’s narrow Gameweek 1 win over Southampton, his team-mate was up and running. Priced at just 9.0 at the start of the season due to his falling out with Roberto Mancini in the previous season, Tevez offered a budget friendly route into City’s forward line and with a goal or assist in seven of the first nine Gameweeks, he was a hugely instrumental figure in the opening few months our Fantasy seasons and quickly rose to 9.9. With only four sets of double figures, his explosive returns have been kept to a minimum, though a 19 point haul back in Gameweek 12 highlighted his capabilities. Currently sitting on 168 points, Tevez is the third top scoring forward and has served up 11 strikes, 14 assists and 25 bonus points for the deposed champions.

Romelu Lukaku
Farmed out to West Brom on a season long loan, the Belgian has been the Baggies most reliable Fantasy asset this season. Initially priced at 6.5 for Chelsea, Lukaku’s season was slow to get underway as Steve Clarke continued to rotate him up top along with Shane Long but, as the season has progressed, he’s become a key member of the midlanders’ first XI: has now started 14 of the last 16 games he’s been available for. With 14 goals, seven assists and 18 bonus points accrued, Lukaku has racked up 143 points in his breakthrough season in the Premier League and with rumours already linking him with loan moves to West Ham and Swansea, Fantasy managers are keeping a keen eye on his destination with potential investment in mind.

Dimitar Berbatov
Starting the season at 7.0 for United, the Bulgarian’s decision to reunite with former manager Martin Jol afforded Fantasy managers a real flair option for their three man forward lines. Berbatov had been handed a mere five starts by Sir Alex Ferguson in 2011/12 but under Jol, he was vital as the lone frontman, with Bryan Ruiz buzzing around behind him. Granted, the Costa Rican’s hamstring problems have had a knock-on effect in Berbatov’s output, forcing him to drop into a more withdrawn role without much success but, when employed further forward, the Bulgarian has produced the goods on a regular basis. Ahead of tomorrow’s trip to Swansea, Berbatov has found the net on 14 occasions and has also chipped in with four assists and 26 bonus points for the Cottagers – with 155 points to his name, he’s the sixth top scoring forward and fourth most impressive frontman in terms of value over the season.

Daniel Sturridge
A late contender who has simply exploded in Fantasy terms since his arrival at Anfield in January. A blast of ten goals in just 11 starts in the Liverpool red have left us in little doubt that Sturridge will be a hot property for next season’s campaign, having delivered exceptional value since he snuggled under Brendan Rodgers’ wing. His introduction to our Fantasy lineups has not been straightforward. A troublesome thigh injury and the suggestion that Rodgers may yet deploy Sturridge in a wider role, or even keep him benched as an impact sub, stalled our initial interest. However a flurry of goals has reached a crescendo since Luis Suarez was slapped with a ten match ban. Sturridge goes into tomorrow’s clash with QPR as an almost essential asset having delivered returns in nine of his 13 Liverpool appearances.

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  1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    Set up a haxball room btw

    123

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  2. aaw15
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    wait what happens in fantasy terms if theres a 3/4 playoff

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    1. SPorting
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      Nothing.

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      1. aaw15
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        thanks

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    2. The EJJ
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      It won't count towards FPL.

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      1. aaw15
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        thanks

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    3. The Bandit
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      Nothing...

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      1. aaw15
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        thanks

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    4. Parm
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      Nought. Diddly squat. Jack. Zilch.

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  3. pirlo
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    A. 1FT with exact amount to do Benteke > Sturridge seems meant to be, yes? (Already have Coutinho)

    B. Go for cheaper differential -- Chicha, Kone, Agbong, Giroud?

    If B. please pick one. Thanks.

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    1. aaw15
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      are you chasing points in a ML

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      1. pirlo
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        No, protecting a 10 pt lead.

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    2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      A i think. I'll probably be doing the same shortly

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      1. pirlo
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        Thanks

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  4. Evs
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    Lights out for me now.

    See you on the other side lads.

    Be good
    Evs

    🙂

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      cya and good luck

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    2. Declan-
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      Good luck. Hopefully i'll be on when the games are being played though. Night Evs

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    3. aaw15
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      good luck evs

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    4. pirlo
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      Go luck tomorrow, Evs. Positive thoughts your way!!

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    5. Dynamic
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      Good luck 😀

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    6. GreenWindmill
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      Good luck fella, you've done FFS proud whatever happens 🙂

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  5. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    Balotelli official twitter for those who don't know yet

    https://twitter.com/FinallyMario

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    1. Parm
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      You still a few days behind Demba?

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    2. World XI
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      Haha he can't take pics with his phone.

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    1. Declan-
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      It's understandable

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      1. Captain Shirokov
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        I agree. Great ambassador for the game.

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        1. Declan-
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          I'm too young to remember his time at Madrid properly but I have nothing negative to say about the guy. And Gb may not have got the Olympics if he wasn't involved

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          1. Declan-
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            *United. People will be thinking i'm still in nappies

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    2. Live4pool
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      i love him
      and this coming from a liverpool fan!

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    3. RoysCallerAnne
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      Overrated player. But set the bar very high for marketing yourself as a style brand for a new Internet generation

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    4. GreenWindmill
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      Extremely talented in a very limited way. Excellent player but massively overhyped.

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  6. crystalpalaceRus
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    i love u all

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    1. Optimus.
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      http://i.imgur.com/FjPLF.gif

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      1. crystalpalaceRus
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        still love u

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  7. GreenWindmill
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    @Evs - My sincerest wish tomorrow is that you secure the FPL title, I'll be cheering your team on more than mine! You're one of the good ones...

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    1. Lrf
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      Yeah, Good Luck, Evs.

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    2. Declan-
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      +1 I'd gladly have Tevez outscore Kun(My captain) If Evs were to win

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  8. Shakshuka
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    Benteke - > Sturridge slamdunk, homerun etc? (and bench Sagna) 1 FT and 1.8 banked.

    Hart
    GJ Zab Clyne Sagna
    Bale Walcott Coutinho Maloney
    RVP Tevez

    Bunn Benteke Sissoko Hart

    Thanks

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    1. Cowboy John
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      You know it....

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    2. pirlo
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      I'm likely doing the same transfer. (See above).

      And I'm thinking playing Sagna ahead of O'Brien, so I'd likely say bench Clyne and play Sagna.

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  9. Ikey Warrior
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    Please can you rank the following:
    A) Silva vs Norwich home
    B) Cazorla vs Newcastle away
    C) Coutinho vs QPR home
    D) Dempsey vs Sunderland home
    E) Berbatov vs Swansea away
    F) Lambert vs Stoke home (doubtful) [Chico vs Fulham home will replace him if he doesn't play]
    G) Kone vs Aston Villa home

    Sorry, I can't make up my mind :(. Really should be studying!! 🙁

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    1. Where Eagles Dare
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      Coutinho - assist machine

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    2. aree036
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      1 D
      2 C
      3 A
      4 B
      last 3 very close. 5 E
      6 F just cause of chico
      7 G

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    3. Natas
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      G,a,c

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      1. Ikey Warrior
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        1st Kone, 2nd Silva, 3rd Coutinho?

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  10. Feanor
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    Baines or Fellaini as my 11th starter?

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    1. Ikey Warrior
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      Baines

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      1. Phaze 1
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        +1 NCNB

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  11. Lrf
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    I need to bench one: Baines, Maloney, Sagna

    Got Baines as a sub atm, correct?

    Cheers

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    1. Shakshuka
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      I'd bench Sagna

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      1. Ikey Warrior
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        +1

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    2. CravenA
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      You know the rule?

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    3. Cowboy John
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      I'm playing Baines over Sagna.

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    4. GreenWindmill
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      Bench Sagna.

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    5. Where Eagles Dare
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      Chelsea to score, Toon army doubtful, Wigan who knows. Play Maloney

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    6. Phaze 1
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      Sagna seems like a snap bench to me

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    7. Lrf
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      Thanks all.

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  12. aree036
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    Kone or Lambert out for Sturridge?

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    1. Where Eagles Dare
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      Percentage play says Lambert but Kone is mince

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    2. Phaze 1
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      Lam out

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  13. Taff
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    Evening all,
    Front 7 currently:
    Bale, Mata, Maloney, Michu, Wally
    RVP & Studge
    £3.5m dans le bank and a 30 pt lead to protect in cash league.
    Any moves worth making? Coutinho for Maloney the obvious play but already have Studge cover.

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  14. Standcider
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    Hernandez or Djeko for lukaku? Or better option for 8.0 can't afford Carroll.

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    1. GreenWindmill
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      Is Lukaku your best tfr out?

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    2. Les Bleus
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      I just went Lukaku for Hernandez actually

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  15. sahota
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    I've got 5 points to make up. Is Mata > Michu worth a 4pt hit? My current front 8 is:

    Bale, Mata, Maloney, Coutinho, Walcott
    Lukaku, RVP, Benteke

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    1. Taff
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      Yes as no Studge cover

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      1. sahota
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        My mistake, I dont have Benteke I have Studge! Still a yes?

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        1. Natas
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          No, Walcott to michu better

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          1. sahota
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            Even though Arsenal have a lot to play for. He's currently my differential on who im catching

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        2. Taff
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          Not a popular view on here but I'd be inclined to do Maloney to Michu as Chelsea will want to secure 3rd and Mata's likely to be key to that.

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          1. sahota
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            If I had the money I would but Im way short 🙁

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    2. Cowboy John
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      Probably not. I'd be more inclined to lose one of Lukaku/Benteke for a hit...

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      1. sahota
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        Ive already done Benteke > Studge as a free

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        1. Cowboy John
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          In which case I'd just bench Lukaku.

          Transferring out the second highest-scoring midfielder for a hit doesn't make sense to me.

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          1. sahota
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            Mata, Bale, Maloney, Snodgrass and Kagawa is the midfield of the team Im catching. I just thought 3 mids and the same 3 strikers was too many similarities but I dont think i cant take mata out

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            1. Cowboy John
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              Yeah, I see your logic. Five points isn't a lot to make up though.

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              1. sahota
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                Made up my mind, definitely sticking with Mata. Thanks for the help! 🙂

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  16. Keep the Faith
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    9 points ahead in cash mini league, teams very simular, 1 FT, diff

    Him
    Zabs Enrique Azpilicueta davies
    Tevez

    Me
    Baines Vert Demel Turner
    Mata

    A) Baines > enrique
    B) Turner > enrique + Mata > Michu (def Baines Enrique Vert) -4
    C) Somthing else

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    1. aree036
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      I think mata is likely to start with hazad out and 3rd still to play for - in which case it is hard to recommend taking a hit to get him out

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      1. aree036
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        probably a, or for zabs

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      2. Keep the Faith
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        Thanks my thoughts just the def change in final week seems boring

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  17. rdpx
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    Robles
    Zab Vert Sagna
    Bale Walcott Coutinho Nasri
    RVP Mirallas Sturridge

    [Maloney~only bench player available]

    Am I good to go ?
    Or should I take a hit - money no object.

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    1. Taff
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      Maloney to Michu bench Mirallas.

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      1. rdpx
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        hmmm interesting benching Mirallas - you think Chelsea are going to batter Everton?

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        1. Taff
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          Never a battering but 0-1 wouldn't surprise me

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      2. rdpx
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        RE: Money - I can do Nasri to Michu, but not enough to get him for Maloney....

        Money almost no object .... [was thinking I can dump Rafa for almost any def, DDG and Nasri same...]

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        1. Taff
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          In which case I'd lose Coutinho. Am not convinced you need double cover and Fulham could get battered I think

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          1. rdpx
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            And play Mirallas or Maloney?

            I am not sure I can take a -4 to get rid of someone in such great form VS QPR.

            Am tempted to drop Nasri for Michu though. I never liked Nasri.

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            1. Cowboy John
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              Make it personal - that's the spirit. 🙂

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    2. Keep the Faith
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      Def to pool Def and bench sanga?

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    3. Les Bleus
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      Looks very nice from here! Are you (c)'ing RVP?

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      1. rdpx
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        Not sure - either him or Sturridge... I am guessing from your grav that you are on RVP?

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        1. aree036
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          no consideration for bale?

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          1. rdpx
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            Maybe tomorrow but right now it is 70/30 on Studge/RVP

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  18. Captain Shirokov
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    So, it looks like Ireland got relegated to Arabvision....

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    1. Declan-
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      I wasn't watching but facebook informed me of the result. At least we're still the most successful ever 🙂 We'll never win it again

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      1. Captain Shirokov
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        #7times

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        1. Declan-
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          Marty Whelan won't let us forget it either 🙂

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  19. Red-United
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    I need differentialssss

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    1. Les Bleus
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      Hernandez/Carrol/Dempsey/Ade

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      1. Red-United
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        I've been thinking about the Carroll one...certainly may work but probably not for -4.

        Hernandez (C) would be one hell of a punt too but it could work out.

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  20. Robbens Diving Instructor
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    Is Mata likely to play tomorrow?

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    1. Keep the Faith
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      Yes but to get points against everton def work recently maybe 2 pnts

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    2. Live4pool
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      yes

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  21. Where Eagles Dare
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    Hart
    Zaba Vertongen Demel (Sagna Davies)
    Bale Walcott Lamps Maloney (Coleman)
    RVP Sturridge Tevez

    Coleman is bench fodder but any suggestions appreciated

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  22. leo_messi
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    I need those supporters on White Hart Lane...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HVwsHDFRCo

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  23. Live4pool
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    Transfer News Live ‏@DeadlineDayLive 5m

    Manchester City have agreed a €60m fee with Atlético Madrid for star striker Radamel Falcao. (Source: Mirror)

    😯

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    1. Lrf
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      Not certain for Monaco afterall?

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  24. The EJJ
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    Feels wrong saving a transfer on the last GW of the season.

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    1. Lrf
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      A sub transfer maybe? 🙂

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  25. Shaw must go on
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    hi lads...I´m in a situation...

    Walcott,michu,mata,bale,maloney
    kone,???,Sturridge

    Who should i get???10.5 in the bank... Any opinions welcome......thanks!

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    1. P&F
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      adebayore

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    2. The Bandit
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      Is it free? Kone to Tevez... If not, bench ???

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      1. Shaw must go on
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        have to transfer benteke he´s ??? 🙂

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  26. kozzy
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    A Reina and Berba
    B Tevez and Jussi

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    1. pirlo
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      B. imo

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  27. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    Haxball anyone?

    FFS 123

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    1. Keep the Faith
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      Whats that dunny?

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  28. P&F
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    Anyone think that SAF will go back on his word and start DDG tomoz instead of Lind

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    1. Keep the Faith
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      Doubt it but who knows

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      1. P&F
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        dam was being really hopeful otherwise stuck with rob-lee

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    2. Red-United
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      This is Fergie we're talking about not Mancini 😉

      (Watch him go and do exactly that now..)

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    3. Declan-
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      No chance

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  29. Chrisitis
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    Fellaini/Berba -> Demps/Agbonlahor. FT.

    Good moves when im 25 points behind and need differentials.

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