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Fixture Analysis – Rotation Pairs – West Ham and Southampton

Wednesday’s announcement of the 2013/14 Premier League fixture list has already given Fantasy managers plenty to ponder. Having rolled out our guide to the principles of rotation on Thursday, our attentions now turn to some of the most favourable pairings in accordance with the season’s schedule – to start things off, we take a look at the potential offered by West Ham and Southampton.

The Fixtures

The Hammers and Saints’ respective schedules complement each other perfectly, offering a home/away rotation pattern for all 38 Gameweeks across the upcoming campaign. Significantly, both sides have been handed strong schedules in front of their own fans over the opening few months – alternating in accordance with home fixture, you would face only three of last term’s top six in the opening 14 Gameweeks in a run that would read (CAR, SUN, STO, WHM, EVE, CPL, SWA, MCI, FUL, AVL, HUL, CHE, FUL, AVL).

Indeed, the West Ham/Southampton rotation pairing hosts one of the previous season’s top six sides just six times over the first half of the campaign – on one of these occasions, where West Ham host Arsenal in Gameweek 18, Mauricio Pochettino’s side travel to Cardiff and could take the place of our Hammers assets. In terms of fixture difficulty, then, that’s 14 home matches with a shade of blue on our tickers, plus one favourable away match from the opening 19 fixtures – an eye-catching partnership which will surely be utilised by many.

Long-term, the schedule does tighten up from Gameweek 31, though. The partnership would host United twice, in addition to home clashes with Liverpool, Everton and Tottenham over the final eight matches – something to consider when planning for the final few months, then.

Defence

West Ham
For the Hammers, the likes of Jussi Jaaskelainen, Joey O’Brien and new boy Razvan Rat look the main protagonists. While Allardyce has snapped up new keeper Adrian from Real Betis, the Fin is still expected to remain as first-choice but his appeal across the Fantasy games is price-dependant. Although he registered 11 clean sheets last term, Jaaskelainen’s propensity for picking up save points in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) helped accrue 144 points, joint-second for keepers. Starting last term at 4.5, he was a real budget favourite – a hike to 5.0 would be acceptable to most but 5.5 is likely to severely dent his prospects.

Thanks to a starting price of 4.0 and 123 point haul, O’Brien was the best value FPL defender of 2012/13 and a price rise is also on the cards here, with 5.0 the likely result. With Rat set to take his place on the left, O’Brien should vie with Guy Demel for game time on the right – his attacking potential certainly offers more than the Ivorian and could see him knock the site favourite down the Hammers’ pecking order.

From a Fantasy perspective, West Ham were a little difficult to predict when it came to clean sheets. Only six of last term’s 11 arrived in front of their own fans, though given that one of those arrived against City, they clearly are capable of nullifying any side at home – on the road, a Gameweek 32 goalless draw at Liverpool was their most impressive backline performance.

Southampton
Having conceded 60 goals over the previous season, the Saints’ defensive assets will surely remain in the budget bracket. Analysing their results a little closer, though, there’s reason for optimism at St Mary’s – as the players became accustomed to Mauricio Pochettino’s high pressing game towards the end of last term, they shipped just nine goals in the last 10 fixtures. The Argentine guided his side to four clean sheets in 16 matches, though after a goalless home draw with Everton on his debut at the helm, Pochettino’s defensive record was more impressive on the road, with just two goals conceded in the last five away matches.

The installation of new boy Dejan Lovren will add further stability to the Southampton backline, though there’s a fear that the Croatian’s big-money move could convince some Fantasy games to price him higher than his team mates. In all likelihood, though, a cost of 4.5 seems realistic but with Nathaniel Clyne and Luke Shaw pushing on from the full-back areas, Lovren’s appeal may be somewhat diminished. Clyne will be hoping to improve upon last term’s goal and three assists, while Shaw now seems nailed-on at left-back ahead of Danny Fox and may be set to step up after establishing himself as a regular.

Between the sticks, Artur Boruc seems to be Pochettino’s preferred choice, starting all but one of Southampton’s matches since the dismissal of Nigel Adkins last January – again, a 4.5 price looks likely but if Jaaskelainen comes in at 5.5, may are likely to baulk at the idea of spending 10.0 for a pair of keepers.

Attacking Options

The Main Men
Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan are likely to remain the Hammers’ chief goal threats but with a mere 11 strikes away from home all season, West Ham were the poorest of any side on their travels. Trips to Newcastle, Southampton and Hull in the opening six offer Allardyce’s side the chance to remedy their abysmal form on the road but with both likely to come in around the 7.5 to 8.0 mark, they’ll be a little too pricey to bench. Carroll’s home form towards the end of the season offers plenty promise, though; he produced attacking returns in six of the last seven in front of his own fans, racking up four goals and four assists in the process.

As mentioned in yesterday’s article, Rickie Lambert produced 98 points away from home compared to 89 at home, scoring on the road against the likes of City and Chelsea – despite climbing off the bench in both games. Considering he finished last season as the third highest scoring forward in FPL, a significant price hike looks on the cards – starting last term at 6.0, a jump to 8.5 or even 9.0 looks likely. The schedule still remains in his favour, though, and with trips to West Brom, Norwich and Stoke in his opening 10 fixtures, Lambert – with spot-kicks and a share of set-pieces – could still prove a canny acquisition.

Mid-Price and Budget Targets
In terms of potential rotation targets, Matt Jarvis could be an option for the Hammers. Subject of a recent Sleeper article, the Hammers winger created chances aplenty last season without being rewarded – a drop to 5.5 would heighten his appeal in light of Nolan’s imminent hike, though spot-kick taker Mark Noble is unlikely to rise beyond last term’s initial 5.0 and could be utilised as a cheap fifth midfielder.

Depending on budget, Gaston Ramirez and Adam Lallana could prove a viable midfield partner for either of those two – both began last term priced at 6.0 but, similar to Jarvis, there’s hope they may dip in price after disappointing seasons. Up front, Jay Rodriguez’s four goals and six assists in 14 starts under Pochettino suggest he could come to the fore this term and offer an alternative to Lambert up top; if he comes in around 6.0, the former Burnley man is another one to watch as a rotation option with a budget midfielder.

However, with the Saints currently courting names such as Roma’s Pablo Osvaldo, Celtic’s Victor Wanyama and ex-Chelsea winger Miroslav Stoch, Fantasy managers will be advised to keep their provisional plans flexible, whilst being mindful of the potential they offer in tandem with West Ham’s assets.

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  1. The Quiff
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cs4OHQEe6E

    Posted this about 2-and-a-half hours ago during the Confed Cup match. Turns out it's only one page later now!

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    1. The Quiff
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      Damn! Top of new page. Make that one and a half pages later then.

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        Nice goal.

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  2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    Upvote me.

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    1. Mark
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      No upvote requests please Chu. Thanks.

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  3. Ryan
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    Now that the excitement of the fixture announcement has almost petered out what have we got to look forward to now? It could be a very long 4 weeks otherwise.

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    1. Ryan
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      I suppose there could be more interesting activity in the transfer market.

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    2. Mark
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      I think we'll see some games launch before the four weeks - not sure on FPL but I will dabble in a few of the earlier games.

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    3. TorresMagic™
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      A few friendlies will be played I guess. A new Boselli will be made.

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      1. Ryan
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        Haha, I'm looking forward to that new Boselli.

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  4. ZeleniMD
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    Is there an estimative date of FPL release?

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    1. Mark
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      It was 19/7 last year I believe.

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    2. Sheep
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      Mid July I think. A little while yet 🙂

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    3. Konig Luther
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      21july

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        fail

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    5. Jairzinho
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      I remember it being really late last year. Everyone got pissed off because it wasn't ready so they released the player prices before releasing the game itself.

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  5. GreennRed
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    Sorted. The wife's gonna pick my team on August 16th. Well she does know everything 😉

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    1. Ryan
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      *second team 😉

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    2. Sheep
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      😯 You're insane 🙂 Just give her a fake account and make her think it's yours. FPL is too important for your wife to ruin 😉

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      1. GreennRed
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        Sure I know. I just delegate the minor decisions to her like taxing the car, household budget, the type of broadband to get, clothing our little one, looking after the rent. I look after the major decisions like how to deal with global warming and the top level budgetary decisions like Walcott or Fellaini 😉

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  6. Sheep
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    Come on Chu, I'm rooting for you to post an up-vote worthy post 😀 Personally I don't think up-votes are that important to us as individuals, it's more for policing the site. Saying that I'm a frequent voter, I'm sure people appreciate the feeling that someone voted up their post, it's nice to see the plus sign there 🙂

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    1. Optimus.
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      i have made 5000+ comments since i met this site 2 seasons ago..i can easily say if HC was about 2 seasons ago when i started then i would still be on level 1 scout 🙂

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      1. Optimus.
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        *grammar police en-route 🙂

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      Baaaaa is an up-vote worthy post.

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      1. Sheep
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        I always upvote your 'baa' posts 😀

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        1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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          xo

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    3. Sheep
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      Most undeserved +4 ever 🙂

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  7. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwemr3IpmM

    Classic 😀 😀

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    1. Optimus.
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      😆 never seen that before

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      1. Sheep
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        Watch ALL the Rush Hour films, you won't regret it 😀

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    2. Sheep
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      I love Rush Hour. The film that is, the time zone is hell 🙂

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      I thought Rush Hour 1 was good, 2 ok , 3 awful

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  8. Acquafresca
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    Surely Bent won't stay at Villa? The coach hates him.

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    1. Captain Shirokov
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      I would be surprised if he did stay.

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      Might end up at Hull.

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    3. Sheep
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      He could end up at a variety of clubs. I would be shocked if he stayed at Villa.

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    4. TorresMagic™
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      Houston vs Toronto score prediction Acqua?

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        There is talk that Villa are buying out a few contracts ,just to lose a few they dont want.

        The goings on at villa reminds me of the old CM games. Manage a new club bring in lots of young players, etc then lose everygame due to the squad being low on blending

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          Cheers. Houston win it is. 🙂

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        2. Dino
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          I think they will be a lot better once lambert has a few more of his type of player in. Look at villa's best players last year, benteke - unheard of and class, lowton - unheard of and class and then he brought in kids and made do with players already at yhe club making them good Delph and weiman spring to mind. The thing is he didn't get to bring in many players and suffered as a result. I think top half for villa next year if they hold benteke.

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      1. Freshy
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        Bent scores

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        1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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          😀

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  9. Promoted teams' set piece takers
    Demí
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    Thought i'd do some research into the set piece takers for the Promoted teams as i don't think it's up yet on here:

    Cardiff:

    Pens - Maynard and Whittingham have both taken them, with Maynard taking the latest one. Whittingham took a few prior to this but he was out of the side towards the end of the season, and it's doubtful whether he'd be a starter from Day 1 come August

    Corners - Bellamy and Bo-Kyung Kim hog them

    Free kick's - Bellamy and Bo-Kyung Kim again. Be wary of Bellamy though as he gets injured alot and can't be expected to start week in week out with his fitness these days.

    Hull:

    Pens - Robert Koren takes them, and he's the captain too. Brady took one when he wasn't on the pitch.

    Corners - Brady and Koren hogg them. Aluko takes a few when on the pitch too

    Free kick's - Again Robbie Brady and Koren take the majority of these

    Crystal palace:

    Pens - Glenn Murray, whos' currently injured. Otherwise it would be Garvan(he's an attacking mid).
    Zaha doesn't touch pens. K. Phillips also takes them but will rarely be on the pitch.

    Corners - Moritz, Garvan and Dobbie all take them depending on who's on the pitch. Garvan made more appearances last season and tended to take the majority. Bolasie takes a few too but he was in and out of the side. Sometimes Williams played on the wing over him.

    Free Kick's - Garvan and Dobbie. Garvan seems to be a specialist set piece taker. Him and Moritz seem to share gametime on the pitch, both don't seem to play together. Garvan also made more appearances out of the two last season.

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    1. Dino
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      Great stuff demi although a lot of it will be mute by season ko due to new additions.

      Providing cp don't get another attacking mid I think Garvan will be cp's adam this year (without the outrageous amount of bps ofc).

      Again, nice work demster

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      1. Rojo's Modern Life
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        *moot

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    2. In Like Flynn.
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      I think we could do with a comprehensive update on all the teams for the start of the season.

      I suppose we may even have to wait for a couple of games in for some as the new signings could take over in a few cases.

      Thanks for these Demi.

      I actually new them thanks to playing Phones 4U last year.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        The new teams will likely look much different to when they were promoted. Always amuses me how they tend to buy players from the previous years relegated teams, buying failure
        Expect to see them buying up Reading , QPR and Wigan assets (oxymoron)

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        1. Crouch Potato!
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          Very general statement to assume purchasing individuals from those that have gone down is buying failure, for example would you assume that if each promoted team were to play each relagated one, the promoted teams woud come out on top every time. I don't think so at all.

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    3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      Thanks Demi. I saw something about Koren yesterday. Could be a real budget option. Cheap, nailed on and on set-pieces, what more could you want?

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  10. Twelve years a slave
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    Just what we need ,the promoted sides have been neglected on this site, it probably be fair to say that many of us know very little about them

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    1. Twelve years a slave
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      reply fail

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  11. FPL food for thought
    dr. Phil
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    Looking through the sticky posts and hottopics of the last week gave me an idea I'd like to share. Quite a few of the posts that present thought out research and analysis would be wise to remember a crucial yet oft forgotten bias.

    I'm sure qute a few of you would agree with the basic sentiment of the statement: " We should study the successful in order to be successful ourselves".

    However that statement in itself is incomplete and presents quite a myth actually. In logical terms it represents the so called survivorship bias.

    An anecdote in the interest of painting a clearer picture:

    In world war 2, many of the bomber fighter airplanes were being shot down by flak fire. The obvious improvement the army wanted to make was to reinforce the hulls with armour, but they couldn't add too much because of the prohibitive weight. The military chaps first went with their gut. They looked at the planes that came back, saw the patterns of the bullet holes on the bellies of the planes and decided thats where they should be putting their armour reinforcement.

    The pilots should be happy they asked a mathematician first. He said they we're being quite daft by looking at the wrong research sample. The bullet holes on the planes that came back, represented a pattern that can tell you where the plane is the strongest, ie. can take the most damage. But thats not the info they were looking for.

    You would have to look at the pattern of the holes on the planes that didn't come back, to establish the most appropriate parts on the plane to add additional armour.

    To get back to FF, studying the successful should ALWAYS be linked to studying failure as well. If you only study success and ignore failure the difference between success and failure might get lost.

    Some late night food for thought:)

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      I can help there. I present you with my team from last year.

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    2. Dino
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      Lol thats a good one phil, I'm off to see what the guy who came last did wrong 😛

      The fact that say only 10k get it right and 2.5m+ get it wrong means you would be wasting your time analysing what they did wrong. Anecdotal evidence would suggest pt hits, poor planning, lack of knowledge are the main reasons for failure if you class failure as outside top 10k.

      If you think between 1k and 10k is failure then you might find some interesting reasons for why these teams did not make top 1k but I think this category is generally accpeted as being the difference between skill and luck although I think it is probably as much down to knowledge and odds and the fact that some are just better strategists (at least for the ones who consistently come inside top 1k).

      THe ones that make the top 1k once are lucky imo and the ones that make it sporadically are just plain long shot gamblers.

      Thats my twopence worth anyway

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      1. dr. Phil
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        Mmm I think you missed a slight point. Perhaps it wasn't that clear in the longish post. Without a comparison between a set of good teams and a set of bad teams, you might miss the reason why the good teams are good.

        Ie, your still assessing only the good teams, but with looking at the bad ones in comparison, you 'll see why they're good.

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        1. Twelve years a slave
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          Most of us began as poor players so the answer is easy
          Too many hits
          Short term thinking
          poor financial managment
          poor capt choices
          Not paying enough attention
          missing deadlines
          misusing wilcards

          need i go on?

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        2. Ryan
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          But you see everyone on here is a reasonable FPL manager. So should we be comparing the reasonable 20k manager with the elite 1k manager? I think making comparisons with the worst of the worst would not reveal much.

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      2. Twelve years a slave
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        Interesting point about where to draw the line. If you play the game seriously where should be the minimum finish.

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        1. Ryan
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          I think thats what we have to compare in this discussion. The difference with a 10k team and a 1k team. Then I think Philalethes makes a good point. TBF an example would be good.

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    3. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
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      this all rings very true for me. For me, missing the top 1k the two years I played was failure. I made the top 5k easy, but completely failed at gaining any more ground.

      Now I can tell you what SPECIFIC decisions I made that were bad, but in general, I don't know where my strategy failed. I usually just chalk it up to bad instincts, but in general, I just feel like I don't make decisions that really gain any ground when you get to that level. I wish I could glean a strategy for that, but I remain quite stumped.

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      1. Ryan
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        This would be a very interesting research topic. It might be hard to put a finger on it though as you have suggested.

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    4. Paul
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      oh that could be achievable....especially if you choose to take the point of reference fr the bad team as ur own fpl team...
      coz at the end of the day it boils down to why our fpl team is not doing well hence the comparison 😉

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    5. teddy.
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      This is true. Also there is another inherent bias in that history doesn't always repeat itself, ie those tactics that paid off last season won't necessarily do so again, because it's a new season. Therefore be wary of things like "the top FPL players spent X on their defence" because we might see far more clean sheets this season. Likewise there was a significant lack of penalties last season, those managers who picked more penalty takers would have suffered accordingly, but could benefit from the reversion to the mean this season.

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  12. TorresMagic™
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    Is this the strongest Houston lineup?

    Tally Hall, Jermaine Taylor, Kofi Sarkodie, Corey Ashe, Bobby Boswell, Brad Davis, Warren Creavalle, Andrew Driver, Ricardo Clark, Will Bruin, Giles Barnes

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    1. SuperOsçarBaby
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      No Mata 😯

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  13. Toonzie
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    what a great coup by spurs!

    paulinho is such a beast 😮

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  14. What makes a great FPL player?
    Twelve years a slave
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    CAN YOU LEARN TO BE GREAT AT FANTASY FOOTBALL?

    Following on from the previous post about studying poor teams i would like to pose the above question

    To me it seems a simple game, anyone should be able to master it. Right? However i bet there are many people who try really hard but get no where . what are they Missing? and can it be taught?

    In not boasting or anything but i seem to win nearly every fantasy sport competition i enter.

    For example i have a group of friends who are crazy about MLB baseball. Just for fun i joined their ESPN roto league, i knew nothing about baseball, didnt even know how many innings they played. The other 19 in the league were hardened experts. No need to tell you who won

    Entered NRL contest won prize for highest weekly score

    Entered the euro u21 ,despite not even knowing who the players were, won the scout league

    Make more money from betfair than i do in my dayjob

    etc etc etc. Why i do not know

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      Do you normally back or lay on Betfair.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        trade

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          You mean Arbitrage?

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          1. Twelve years a slave
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            no not arbing , i mean in play betting backing an laying the same team to locking in a profit

            Arbing is nearly the same but involves using more than one bettijg site

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              I see, requires a phone call here for live betting unless in a betting shop. Live betting is an easier way to win for sure.

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              1. Twelve years a slave
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                yep , it used to be very easy on betfair trading cricket matches, in the early 2000s ,becoming more difficukt since they introduced the premium charge,
                i once tried to teach my best mate to do it. He had won a bronze medal at the world maths olympiad. Brainiest fecker i ever met, yet he couldnt make any money at trading prices on the cricket. Strange

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                1. TorresMagic™
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                  Works great in ICC. An early wicket & the odds change big time & there's your profit. Test cricket gives you 5 days of ups & downs & wild prices.

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                  1. Twelve years a slave
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                    Yeah, the volitility in the few seconds following a wicket is where the money is to be made, people panic and prices fluctuate wildly.. Once you become very experienced you know exactly where they will settle, and can pick off any bets outside the range

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    2. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
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      Only one conclusion. You are a legend.

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    3. Ryan
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      You have a special talent Triggerlips. A mathematical mind perhaps?

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    4. Twelve years a slave
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      To cut a long story short , why does Mark always beat Granville?

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      1. Ryan
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Mark is more conservative?

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      2. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        We know Granville very clever , he seems to watch lots of football to . Probably just as much as Mark yet he never seems to beat him.
        But how can you have natural talent for something like fantasy football?

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        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          The ability to be extra careful and conservative where decisions are based on mathematical probability and not on emotion or anything else.

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          1. Twelve years a slave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            But Granville a top computer programmer , must have a very logical mind

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            1. Ryan
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              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              What you do at work may not always equate to what you do in FPL.

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          2. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            But an argument could be made that the emotional elements could actually prompt the best decisions. for example, knowing when to take a risk. I feel like a super conservative player, and I think a conservative strategy gets you into the top 10k or so easily, but after that it takes a lot more than just being conservative. You have to learn how to gain points where the conservative players will not, and that, to me, is the 'knack' that the best (trigger included) have so well.

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            1. Ryan
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              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Surely thats when mathematical probability gets involved? for example when we know Gervinho will start both games in a DGW.

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              1. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
                • 13 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                I dont know man. I guess I kinda feel like when you get really high in ranking, EVERYONE up there knows the best mathematical decisions. It seems like when you're ranked that high you gotta do things that the best players wont do. You're right that there's math in there too, but when I got into the top 5k, I felt like I always made the best mathematical decisions, but because everyone around me was doing the same, I couldn't make up ground.

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                1. Ryan
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                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  Fair point, and as everyone who finds themselves in those upper echelons of FF they say the game changes.

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                  1. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
                    • 13 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    Yeah, its probably the number one reason I forced myself to take a year off. Missed guys like you, though, Ry.

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                    1. Ryan
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                      • 12 Years
                      10 years, 11 months ago

                      Yeah, you were very much missed in the DZ this past season. I've always appreciated the deep discussions that you helped bring to the DZ.

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                      1. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
                        • 13 Years
                        10 years, 11 months ago

                        Well, whether I play or not, I'll be back next year. Miss the people too much.

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            2. Twelve years a slave
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              I think you might be right Newman , maybe it is more of an art than a science.
              I would regard my own style of play as very conservative, try to avoid as much risk as possible. Think that is also whats kept me profitable on betfair for so long.
              Probably why i stalled once in top 100 ,couldnt bring myself to makethat risky final push

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              1. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
                • 13 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                That's valuable advice. Maybe my desperation at that level got the best of me. I always appreciate your advice and generally conservative approach. Maybe you just need to keep playing the odds even when you rank high, and just hope for a little bit of 'special' luck once there. In general though, I think instincts are huge, and I think the people who consistently finishing in the top 100 are usually the ones with the best instincts.

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                1. Twelve years a slave
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  Laterizer was up there with me , he went the gambling route in a make or break bid, it didnt work for him, but he gave himself more chance to win , i dont know which way is best but if you go different you can fall a long way very fast

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                  1. The Japanager: Roberto Newm…
                    • 13 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    Good advice, thank you.

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                  2. tw
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    the problem was I think he gambled too much. I think a couple good gambles can make the difference (in a good way if you pull them off) but too many and you're bound to fail. it's a bit like gambling in the Casino: stay to long and the house always wins.

                    LR gambled a lot to get up as high as you and then kept gambling but eventually his luck ran out. he needed to know when to stop and play more conservative

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    5. the cromulent one
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      After I said that I hate baseball, and that I don't know any of the players, my friend replied that it's not baseball, it's fantasy baseball. You are not selecting players, they are pointers to statistics.

      What I think is true in all fantasy sports is the need to have an analytical approach. Once you understand the mechanics of the game, the sky is the limit. That limit is usually self-imposed. People tend to take too many ill-advised punts, or to play too conservatively. Finding that hapoy medium is the challenge.

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      1. Ryan
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Therein lyes the skill element. Somewhere between a careful analytical approach and the ability to foresee riskier potential.

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    6. the cromulent one
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I was surprised to see that the FPL winner was religious. Not that being devout precludes having a logical approach, mind you. But it goes to show that the game can't be solved from analysis alone.

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      1. Ryan
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        In many ways such attributes might offer that little bit extra. The ability to have faith in riskier potential?

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      2. Licky
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Of course there is a certain amount of luck involved. You could have two near identical players with great fixtures, but if your not lucky you could end up picking the wrong one.

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Exactly, Mata or Hazard for example. If Evs had a little more cash or made a different transfer to raise some, he could have got Mata over Hazard & won FPL.

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    7. Licky
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Interesting, i tried to play seriously last year but I think in the end an early wildcard, too many stupid transfers and a lack of thought in other transfers led me to a 115k finish.

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      1. edison
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        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Early wildcard is ok, look at the spidey Matt , gw2! Guess it involves patience too to win!!

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    8. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      It's a good question.

      I think the key is an analytical mind. The best fantasy players are patient, methodical and learn the rules of the game the best so they can play the system to get the most reward.

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      1. teddy.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Exactly. RTFM. Understand the rules, the scoring system, the transfer system, the pricing, and the basic strategy should be pretty obvious.

        I tell people I play FPL and they say things like "you know what you should do: pick defenders who score goals", like it's some great revelation.

        I think successful fantasy management is a combination of the analytical and the emotional. Sometimes it's there in the numbers, but sometimes you just have to go with your gut feeling.

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    9. Jairzinho
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      There's 9 innings per game I think

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  15. tw
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Ughh RSL with two lucky goals 🙁

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    1. Acquafresca
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      You guys suck. Even TFC got a point tonight 😉

      First clean sheet. 😆

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  16. Luck vs Skill
    Acquafresca
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Triggerlips the answer is quite obvious.

    Some people are good at fantasy and others aren't.

    Everyone on this site can see the same data, articles, stats, etc. Yet there are still MANY posters who can't even finish top 20k. 😕

    Who knows what the cause is?
    -Impatience
    -Don't care
    -Knee jerk
    -Hits galore

    But I think that there is for sure a combination of things that if you compose yourself over the year, any decent FPL player on here should finish minimum 10k.

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    1. Get up ya bum
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The luck factor can't be calculated but shouldn't be underestimated

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      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        To a large extent we make our own luck. Losing poker players blame luck, but those who cosistantly make the final table know its a game of skill.

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    2. tw
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      acqua, everyone can see the same data, article, stats, etc but different people interpret those differently.

      and yes there is a large portion of it that is skill involved but luck is also a significant factor. one fpl player might see a certain player has good potential and gets them in only for them to nearly score each game but get blanks several weeks in a row while another player brings in a random punt and gets totally lucky (you can't tell me that you getting Schneiderlin was skill)

      and you can't say that all the injuries Granville had to his players was because he's bad at FF.

      and how much skill was really involved in picking Hazard over Mata or Enrique over GJ or BAE over Walker for their respective DGWs versus how much of that was luck that you picked the correct option?

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        You're giving luck too much credit. Like Triggerlips said, you make your own luck in this game.

        I had to get a mid under 5.0 and Schneiderlin was the best option, so I got him. Him scoring well does not mean I was "lucky" rather I made the right budget midfielder selection.

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        1. tw
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          there's a difference between making the right selection and getting lucky. you could have made the right selection only to see him hit the post twice and have perfect through balls for assists messed up by his teammates. in that case he would be the right pick as he was creating chances but not the one that scored points.

          my point here is that you got lucky that he scored well while you had him. it could've been that his good scoring was before you got him or after you got rid of him but the timing just happened to work out perfectly for you

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          1. Twelve years a slave
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            • 13 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            I bought in Debuchy who promptly scored -4. It just part of the game,

            No point moaning about bad luck, everyone has similar tales, bad things happen ,all you can do is try and stay focussed ,and if you have a good team and a solid bench then the damage can be minimised.

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    3. Twelve years a slave
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Like you say it probably comes down to personality. Problem is people cant change their personality, They may begin the season with a disciplined, logical approach, detrmined to improve, but first setback they revert to type and start blaming bad luck, then they will go into tilt mode , taking hits and captain risks etc

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    4. tw
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      or there were times that Mark had an injury or suspension in his team and so had to transfer out a player he wouldn't have gotten rid of otherwise, therefore bringing in a player he wasn't planning on getting and ending up getting a big haul. he undoubtedly had skill to chose the right player but the fact that he had to get rid of another player that week as a result of unexpected circumstances is a large degree of luck

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        That's not luck, injuries are part of the game, and we deal with them accordingly. It's still skill as he chose the correct player to bring in.

        I think you're quite confused about what luck truly is, or what minimal part it plays in FPL.

        Just remember, there are odds on a certain player scoring more than another(ie RVP vs Lambert) each game not due to luck, but probability.

        The examples you've given aren't truly luck-based.

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        1. tw
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          injuries are part of the game but they are still based on luck. while you might be able to predict a suarez hattrick vs Norwich, it's much harder to predict a player getting injured. and the fact that a certain player of Mark's just happened to get injured the week before and was in a similar price bracket to a player that got a big haul, that's luck mate, simple as that. it could've just as easily been that Mark's 5th midfielder got injured instead so Mark just left him on the bench.

          and could anyone have predicted the Torres red card vs United? I think not. another example of luck coming into play

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          1. Saniul
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Ah, don't worry. Some people might just be elite enough to see in their dreams on Friday night which players are gonna be injured/carded, so they can just plan accordingly.

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            1. Twelve years a slave
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              • 13 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              You think we dont have injuries and suspensions too?

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              1. Saniul
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                I'm not talking about you, Triggerlips, so don't worry.

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                1. Acquafresca
                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  You shouldn't direct your arrogant and sarcastic replies to individual posters. We all have an opinion. Deal with it

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                  1. tw
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    arrogant? 😯

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                  2. TorresMagic™
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                    • 14 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    Calm down everyone. The new season isn't too far away. Play for money between yourselves for added banter.

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          2. Acquafresca
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            I'll just reiterate trigger's point above. The majority of players can blame luck, but the top consistent players understand what it takes to finish highly ranked each season.

            I'll leave it at that.

            I'm not saying luck doesn't play a part, it's just very minimal.

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            1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              90% luck 10% guesswork

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              1. Acquafresca
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                Triggerlips must have had a huge horseshoe up his ass the past 3 years if that's the case 😉

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              2. Acquafresca
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                But in all seriousness, that's clearly not a good representation.

                There is no way that some people are consistently lucky (top 1k) and others who struggle to crack 50k each season.

                I'm not buying it.

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                1. tw
                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  I think it's more like 65% skill, 35% luck

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                  1. Acquafresca
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    I think it's more like 80% skill 20% luck, but you can minimize the luck portion over the course of the season.

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                    1. TorresMagic™
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                      • 14 Years
                      10 years, 11 months ago

                      I agree with 80/20 or thereabouts.

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                    2. Twelve years a slave
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                      • 13 Years
                      10 years, 11 months ago

                      I will agree with Mr Pareto on the 80/20 rule

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            2. Sz21
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              There is surely more than minimal look required to have a really good season..

              Lets talk about inches for a second. ( I'm not talking about those inches Al Pachino talked about tho because those are irrelevent in this game.)

              The difference between a player having an exceptional, average or poor Gameweek are just too fine.. Some guy could hit the crossbar four times and be left with 0 points or whatever. On another gameweek he may end up with 30 points + playing very poorly.. This fine line is replicated every Gameweek in every position. We are not to know if we will strike bingo with a particular player.. People will argue ah yeah the bit it's all about increasing your chances but how often do our sure things let us down and they guy we sold a few weeks back score the huge points that he was expected to get when you captained him etc..

              I'm really excited about this new season and I know I ll need a huge amount of luck to have a stormer of a season..

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          3. Billy Gilmore
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            No, but sh!t happens. In reality how often do you get red cards? Once or twice a season? That's say 6 points out of over 2000 you get in a whole season.

            Inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, which is what Trigger is trying to say.

            Injuries are similar – they don't happen very often.

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            1. tw
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              i'm not saying the points from red cards i'm saying the knock on effect. it's about the TIMING of the red card or injury is my point. if a certain red card or injury hadn't happened or had happened at a different time, a certain player wouldn't have transferred them out to bring in a differential who then starting scoring well

              and #2 losing FPL because he benched Lukaku is that a lack of skill? he made a move that seemed right to him given he thought Lukaku would be benched which he was. how many people predicted a 10 goal game or Lukaku scoring a hatty off the bench?

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              1. Acquafresca
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                #2 isn't luck AT ALL, it's just a decision he made based on the fixtures...

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    5. Saniul
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      This is for Acquafresca.

      You're a very good player, but you've got lots to learn.
      You just need one bad season to empathise with people who have seen any season go completely out of control, and then you will realise that posters who haven't managed 20k in some season are not necessarily 'bad players'.

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        That's the thing, you control your own destiny in this game.

        Triggerlips has finished top 1k in three consecutive seasons for a reason. Same with Mark, Evs, SuperDunny, etc. they don't so well because of luck, it's all skill.

        I really don't need a pep talk as I'm pretty sure I'll be fine and finish inside the top 10k once again for the 3rd consecutive time.

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        1. Twelve years a slave
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          I play in the top 1000 league for players who have previouly had a top 1000 finish
          120 players were involved this season and the average finish was 11,000
          only 11 of the 120 made the top 1000 again
          And only one has managed it three times in a row

          It is not easy and i would consider any finish in the top 20k to be ok

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          1. Acquafresca
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            My goal at the beginning of the season is top 10k.

            Once I'm there I try to manoeuvre myself to gain an edge over the template teams that most will have near the top..

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            1. Twelve years a slave
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Dont forget that much of the skill revolves around managing finances,
              If i not on 110m by xmas then something wrong
              There not much luck involved there , it involves constant monitoring of prices

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              1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                Doesn't sound like there is much skill involved there either

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                1. Ryan
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                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  A little bit of skill/effort is still not dumb luck

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        2. Alberto Tomba
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Aquafresca, You clearly do not control your own destiny in FPL, that's why it's called "fantasy " football. We have no possible influence over the players and results. Unless you know so much about each individual player and training staff ther's always going to be a large amount of luck, i.e. captaining a player who's ill and has a two pointer.

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    6. dribbler
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      "Yet there are still MANY posters who can't even finish top 20k"...a lot more than 20,000 people use this site

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  17. Saniul
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    TW, you around?

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    1. tw
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      yeah, what's up?

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      1. Saniul
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Could you come to Chatango for a moment? I've completed both the ratings.

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    2. Berbagod
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Party in here? 😀

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      1. Saniul
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Come to TWS, Berba.

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  18. Twelve years a slave
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    • 13 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    There are 15 players in our teams and 38 gameweeks ,thats 570 individual performances, more than enough to even out most of the luck.

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    1. Twelve years a slave
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      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Reply fail (again)

      need an edit feature)

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Need a bigger reply button it seems.

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      608 including captains.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        • 13 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        do you have the ability to delete reply fails?

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Sure. Doing it for one sets a standard & everyone asking. Just need to make sure you have a "cancel" next to "POST COMMENT" to make sure you are replying rather than making a new comment before hitting the button.

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  19. AK ⭐
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    On the discussion over luck above, I think its about 75/25. Let's take the case of Torres getting the red card against United. Suppose I had him, and being an FPL player who devotes quite a lot of time on it, I'd definitely have some targets for the future. For example, I have Aguero pinned on my Wathlist, and now Torres gets the red, I'd get Aguero. If he scores quite a lot, I wouldn't call that luck. Cause if Torres hadn't gotten that red, I'd still try to stick Aguero in the team soon enough. Luck would be something like Torres to, let's say, Adebayor, who, let's suppose, just came back from a long-trm injury and goes on to score a lot.

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      You need a Mourinho grav it seems.

      Luck is Torres getting injured or a red card when you actually wanted to keep him & getting Aguero who would never have been in your thoughts due to budgets restrictions. Timing is a big part in FPL for sure. Sometimes you are forced into decisions or transfers that the more rigid teams can't counter.

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      1. AK ⭐
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Just what I was going to do. Newman's back, and it'd be a pity to not to allow him keep the grav he was once famous for.

        Yeah, so there are different elements, that can lead to the same conclusions. Skills and luck are both an integral part of the game. But yeah, if you're good enough, and your luck is average, you can get a good rank (under top 10k) playing with your skills.

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          A Dead Team would have won FPL.

          https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArfmFT707T_FdDNncWlzc3o0UXAwLXZZajNDVFpkRWc#gid=0

          That's all you need to know.

          Finding the core players as Triggerlips does most seasons is the key.

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          1. KujaliaFC
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Wow. How much was that team worth at the end?

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              • 14 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Cost 100

              End price

              http://fantasy.premierleague.com/player-list/

              A bit busy at the moment to work it out for you.

              Reply with the answer. 🙂

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              1. TorresMagic™
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                • 14 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                K = 9.7
                D = 27.6
                M = 42.7
                F = 31.3

                These are the figures I quickly worked out.

                111.3

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                1. TorresMagic™
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                  • 14 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  Suarez dropped a lot at the end as well.

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                  1. KujaliaFC
                    • 11 Years
                    10 years, 11 months ago

                    So it could have been higher. That makes the dead team's performance all the more impressive.

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              2. KujaliaFC
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                £111m 😉

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                1. TorresMagic™
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                  • 14 Years
                  10 years, 11 months ago

                  You're right. Got the forwards wrong.

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          2. Jairzinho
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Interesting.

            Anyone fancy a dead league next season?

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          3. CoolBeans
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            • 12 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            This info was great! Definitely a pricing structure I could work with when picking my team! Many thanks. Is there any more of these for seasons past? Would love to cross reference them.

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  20. TorresMagic™
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    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    What's the weather like in the UK?
    ICC Final between England & India in just over 3 hours.

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    1. Ryan
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Birmingham specifically

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Not great it seems

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2655603

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  21. Hiphopopotamus
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    • 13 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Hello lads - not been on here for a while.

    What's the poll referring to - the Bale vs RVP problem?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      More a budget question.

      Most on here will have at least one of them so it become a poll question.

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      1. Twelve years a slave
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        • 13 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Why was there not an option to leave both out

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Good point.

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          1. Wild Rover
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            I asked Mark that very same question but got no reply..

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              • 14 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              It's just an early poll. Without the prices, it is just a guide.

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  22. Hiphopopotamus
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    • 13 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Cheers TM. For a minute I thought maybe Man U had snapped him up...

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      No worries, use the reply button next time. 😉

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  23. J0E
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    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Deadzoners take a bow. Just had a look at your hot topics over night... Really fascinating discussions. The what makes a good FPL player was particular good... The heart of this is discussed alot among the contributors .. It's essentially our Mavericks v dullard choices in the scout picks . Dullards always prevail... Mavericks possibly have more fun though.

    I'm definitely in the dullard camp, always try to make the sensible move and keep gambles to a minimum. I do however like to keep the third striker spot free for an occasional maverick pick .

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    1. Ryan
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The best strike the perfect balance between the two.

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    2. tw
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      about time people realize that the best discussions take place during the DZ :D.

      Jonty, instead of a hot topic of that you come up with, how bout you refer people to these couple hot topics? would love to see the discussions continue and to get more opinions and perspectives

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      1. J0E
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        That's a great idea.

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        1. charlie1X
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          suggestion:

          Sort by tab:

          "Out of the deadzone" (sticky the best discussions)

          This would save users a lot of time and provide very interesting discussions moving forward.

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      2. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I used to think that was true, but its subtly different. The DZ has the best posts but not necessarily the best discussions. People naturally take the time to craft a work of art when nobody is online to reply anyway.

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    3. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I was more maverick than my usual dullard & paid the price. Having no ML to win this season was a factor but regardless of that, made many mistakes due to being stubborn (Pienaar over Fellaini) & many others.

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    4. Get up ya bum
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Deadzone has always been the hot topic capital of FFS 😉

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        You are always working then so that explains the quality. 😛

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        1. Get up ya bum
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Grrr 🙂

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    5. Jude Rooney
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Agree some interesting debates earlier. Don't under estimate effect of this site - prior to me finding this I was a steady player competing well with friends and workmates and finishing between 10 and 50k. Find this site and boom top 100!!

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    6. Mark
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      • 17 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Doh..I got up because Billy woke me but had to retire again just before 1am which coincided with a stream of quality stuff from the DZ'ers. I need to drink more coffee 😉

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    7. dribbler
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      we dullards take great delight staring at our rankings

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  24. King Henrik
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    anybody thinkhere roonpig will leave united and go to chelsea ?

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    1. Crystal Pulis
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Naah

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    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Yes, but not Chelsea.

      Arsenal or PSG methinks, most likely PSG (or maybe Monaco puts in a bid?) as Utd would be reluctant to sell him to a Prem rival.

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    3. Jude Rooney
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      No way will they let him go to EPL club.........

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  25. Top PL teams' rotation
    Joga Bonito®
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    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    It seems like this season a lot of squads are filling out with a lot of options in each position:

    Liverpool - Suarez (at the mo), Sturridge, Aspas, Alberto, Borini, Coutinho, Sterling, Suso, Downing.

    Chelsea - Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Schurrle, Moses, Torres, Ba, Lukaku, Marin, Malouda (may be with Jose), Another big signing no doubt.

    United - RVP, Rooney, Welbeck, Zaha, Hernandez, Young, Valencia, Nani, Kagawa, Henriquez

    City - Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez, Silva, Nasri, Milner, Sinclair (may be given a chance), Navas, New Signing (Isco)

    Arsenal seem to be lighter - Giroud, Gervinho, Ox, Theo, Pod, Cazorla, Rosicky, (another striker)

    Which team do you think will keep a more settled starting 11 and which team do you think will be rotating a lot?

    How many do you think are nailed on from each?

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    1. Joga Bonito®
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Spurs - Defoe, Ade, Holtby, Siggy, Bale, Lennon, Dempsey, Townsend.

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I doubt Townsend starts for Spurs and he's banned for the first month anyway.

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        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          He is not banned, three of the four months ban were suspended

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          1. Nomar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            How does '...three of the four months ban were suspended' differ from '...he's banned for the first month anyway'?

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              1. Nomar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                Then I stand corrected and I thank you, sir, for putting me straight.

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    2. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I'll take Aspas, Heno?, Mata, Hazard, Oscar, Lampard?, RVP, Valencia, Aguero, Dzeko, Silva, Theo, Caz, Pod from that list.

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      1. Joga Bonito®
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I wouldn't have Aspas as nailed on yet mate. Or Valencia for that matter. You agree that it's going to be tough?

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    3. KujaliaFC
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I was keen on Giroud until Higuain reared his head. Now I fear Giroud will be less nailed on. Cazorla and Theo are probably the only nailed on gunners. You left out Jack and Diaby.

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      1. Joga Bonito®
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I was talking more about the attacking positions and left out people that play more defensive midfield roles. So even excluded Lamps and Gerrard etc for this season.

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    4. Ryan
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      United - RVP, DDG & whoever the new CM will be are the only nailed on players

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  26. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    So ... b*ll*cks now reviewable? I see. 🙂

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  27. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    So RvW is "to small" at 1.86m. Yet lot's favor Aspas at 1.76m.

    😕

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Size matters...

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      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I know.

        I'm 1.86m.

        😉

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          How do you fit through doors?

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            I am 1.88, and I have no problem. 😉

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          2. Billy Gilmore
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            Do you live in Hobbiton?

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          3. DementedFlamingo
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            How small are your doors TM?! 😉

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              • 14 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              I thought he meant 1.86 wide.

              Nevermind, I'll grab my coat.

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  28. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Check 1:03...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Da2LIZ3dU

    Shocking.

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    1. Ryan
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      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The Boks did well in that game. It will be a very competitive Rugby Championship this year I think. The Aussies were unlucky as well.

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    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Makes me laugh how Rugby fans are always talking about how they play hard but fair compared to footballers.. Many of them are thugs and stamping, eye gouging, punching and dangerous tackling are common and receive minimal punishment.. 🙄

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Agree. More b*ll*cks.

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      2. Ryan
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        • 12 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Dangerous tackling is often a mistake. Much like bad challenges in football, at least in Rugby it happens less often.

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  29. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    It is amazing to me how Captain Hindsight is here - even when he's not! 😀

    http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/22064

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    1. Captain Hindsight
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      hmmm...well it seems my work here is done

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Hahaha! 😆 "ello, mate! 😉

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      2. Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        😆

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  30. Jude Rooney
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Mignolet to Liverpool is happening too early in FPL terms. This is just the sort of move we are all looking for after the prices have come out

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    1. Mark
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      • 17 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah...these early transfers are all very well for giving us stuff to consider but they're little use before the player lists are published.

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    2. DementedFlamingo
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      For the regular punter yes but maybe not for the FPL addict. That is, a late more of starter will have the reserve under priced and every tom, that person, and harry would have them. This way only the serious players will do the analysis to work out which will start for Pool.

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      1. Jude Rooney
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Fair point but I suppose the trick is to spend the extra money wisely

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