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12 January 2014 3630 comments
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Gameweek 21 continues with a pair of Sunday afternoon affairs with a host of prime Fantasy cuts on show. Proceedings begin on Tyneside, where Newcastle look to halt Man City’s title chasing juggernaut. That’s followed by a trip to the Potteries to find Mark Hughes’ Stoke attempt to shackle Luis Suarez as Liverpool draw up to the Britannia.

The team news from the early kick-off at St James’ Park finds Manuel Pellegrini make two key changes. Interestingly, Martin Demichelis is immediately recalled to the defence on his return to fitness with Matija Nastasic dropping out – a good indication of the current pecking order for the spot alongside skipper Vincent Kompany perhaps, although the absence of Nastasic from the squad could well be down to further injury concerns. Similarly, David Silva’s return was always likely to see either a shift in formation or one of Samir Nasri or Jesus Navas drop out. It’s the latter that makes way this afternoon, as Nasri and Edin Dzeko take their place in the starting XI.

As for the home side, Alan Pardew is forced to shuffle the defence that faced West Brom in their last league outing with injury and suspension biting hard. With Fabricio Coloccini sidelined and Mathieu Debuchy banned, the Magpies boss drafts in Steven Taylor and Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. Vurnon Anita also starts in midfield with Shola Ameobi dropping to the bench suggesting a change in shape from Pardew as he looks to stifle the visitors in the middle of the park.

Look out for the teamsheet news on today’s late kick-off via our Twitter feed, while our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open for those looking for some real-time reaction.

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  1. 1LHerne
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Zabaleta doesn't get involved in the game. Kolarov on the other hand made many contributions.

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    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Zabz and Navas together is when it happens on the right side

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  2. Wings Fan
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Negredo (c) here, starting to worry.

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    1. Ady87
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Nastasic 0 Silva 1 Negredo(c) 2

      🙁

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      1. Wings Fan
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah I've got Yaya too. At least you'll get a sub come in for Nasty

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  3. PlayPercentage
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I should have done the obvious move Rooney -> Welbeck, rather than Negredo.
    The Beast obviously doesn't fancy it when away from the Emirates.

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    1. Your Mum's Athletic
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      from the Emirates? hahahahahaha 😯

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      1. FACUPARSE
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        I'd take Negredo at the Emirates

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    2. EmreCan Hustle
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Emirates? When did that happen?

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    3. Barrier Freeman
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      They sorted out Walcott's replacement quickly.

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  4. The Enlightener
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Just saw 5 more replays of the Tiote affair. Gouffran was clearly offside and had an influence in the play. Stunning how some people can't see that. The ball almost hits him, and Joe Hart hesitates because of his presence. It's as clear as window glass.

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    1. Mr. Greedy
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I'm sorry but that is clearly bullshit. Gouffran is making no difference to Hart.

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      1. Somalion
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        This, in no way impedes him. Offside but was not interfering.

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      You're blind it hit demichelis which then made Gouffran intefere stick to your eggball

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    3. Breadbin
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Agreed. Some people don't understand the rules.

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      1. The Enlightener
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Or, some people are just smarter than others.

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      2. Obi Wan Elokobi
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        You only agree so it causes more controversy. Wasn't a goal.

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        1. Breadbin
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Not seen the incident.

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    4. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Making a gesture towards the ball doesn't make you offside.

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    5. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Did not influence IMO. Only City defenders disrupted Hart's view. I don't think his presence should make Hart hesitate, but then again, only Hart will know - and he will of course say so.

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    6. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Hart was never saving it no matter who was standing there.

      Goal should have stood.

      Joke decision.

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    7. Debauchy
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      That's nonsense , Hart was routed due to power of shot

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    8. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      You don't understand football.

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    9. 7shadesofsmoke
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      LOL

      Offence

      A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

      + interfering with play or
      + interfering with an opponent or
      + gaining an advantage by being in that position

      Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside.aspx#4xqwZfzeQWy3HF8l.99

      He is not interfering with play. Not in the line of the 'keeper's sight, no contact with the ball, or with any defending player

      If Hart was not going for that ball, because there was someone stood in an offside position, he's an idiot. More significantly, by the time that ball goes past the wall of city players and is visible to Hart, he ain't even getting close to it. Goufran's position is irrelevant.

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  5. GreenWindmill
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Didn't expect anything from this game when I was working on the assumption the officials would get all the big decisions right, that is still one hell of a kick in the nuts 🙁

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  6. Sarnab
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I will lose FPL cup match if City doesn't concede in the 2nd half.. Joker Ref

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  7. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Was it Shankley who said "If you are on the pitch you are interfering with play"?

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    1. Spencer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      The rules have changed since then though.

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    2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      from lfc web site
      Explaining on what the off-side rule should be - 'If a player is not interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage, then he should be.'

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        😆

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    3. Gimli son of Gloin
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      "If a player is not interfering with play or seeking to gain
      an advantage, then he should be."

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    4. good biashara
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Clough... "if a player isn't interfering with play, then he shouldn't be on the pitch"

      Not necessarily true but a great quote nonetheless...

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  8. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Terrible decision from the referee.

    Did he not see the rule change this summer?

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    1. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      He has hart in his fantasy team. Clearly.

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  9. tqrrfesk
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    On my WC now how does this team look?

    Szsc
    Mertesacker - Terry - Baines - Clyne
    Eriksen - Hazard - Johnsen
    Rooney - Giroud - Suarez

    (Lewis, Janjuzai, turner, Ibe)

    Bank 2.0

    thinking about doing rooney-> aguero when back

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    1. Spoonerism
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Too much in your defence for me. Two of the high value guys, sure, but not three.

      Gives you more for your midfield.

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      1. Spoonerism
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Mine's looking more like:

        Foster (Davis)
        Coleman, Zabaleta, Clyne, Whittaker, Chester
        Ozil, Ramsey, Silva, Hazard, Januzaj
        Suarez, Aguero, Campbell

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        1. tqrrfesk
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Thanks, but I like my defence also want 3 heavy hitters up front,

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  10. NotNowKato
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    The lino got that decision totally right. If the offside player hadnt moved then Tiotes shot would have hit him, making him offside offside (if you see what I mean). As he did move to let the shot go by then he is offside and interfering with play. Tough call, maybe unfair, but technically correct

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    1. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Disagree. Newcastle players could not have done more in order to show everybody they were not interfering - what else than moving away from they ball can they do?

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    2. Debauchy
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Technically incorrect - was not in Hart's line of sight and di not interfere with him . Why correct ???

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  11. SuperOsçarBaby
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Yaya Toure has completed 100% of the passes he's attempted so far in this first half 😯

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    1. FACUPARSE
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      all 3 of them 🙂

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    2. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      and all inside his own half hardly exciting

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  12. Alaric
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Ki vs Januzaj for the fifth mid spot... who to go for guys?

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Adnan

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    2. good biashara
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Janu for form, but Ki also very interesting at the price...

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    3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Januzaj the better player, Ki plays for the better team. Not much in it. Go with your gut.

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      1. Nabs Kebabs
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        😯

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        1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          You think Ki's the better player?

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          1. Nabs Kebabs
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 11 months ago

            umm no...

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          2. Kerrazy
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 11 months ago

            Its not that friend. Its the fact that you said sundy is acca better team than united 😆

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      2. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Looooool

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    4. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      With both you could make the rest of the team very interesting.

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    5. Alaric
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Ki more attacking?

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  13. Sif
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Barkley > Ki ?

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    1. Sif
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Already have Januzaj

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  14. GREENDREAMS11
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Interfering with an opponent If an attacker interferes with an opponent by either preventing them from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision or movements or making a gesture or movement which deceives or distracts an opponent, then they are offside.

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      ^^This

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    2. The Enlightener
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      This. It really isn't complicated.

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    3. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Don't think the NUFC players did any of that... No deceiving or distracting as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, the refs do have a nigh-on impossible job - when making a decision in a 50/50 situation, someone will always be infuriated.

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    4. Debauchy
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      So not offside then - Hart had no time to be distracted anyway

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  15. Thomass
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    RP; Anyone got the link of Pardew swearing at Pellegrini?

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  16. The Chosen One...
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Of course if this happened to Citeh the goal would have been allowed

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  17. Texas Pete
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Another Red arrow on the cards for me this week then. Yaya and Negredo deep and ineffectual in that order.

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  18. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    A lot of hysteria over that debatable decision

    I take it that means nobody has City defenders? 😉

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      yep exactly

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    2. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      My mini league rival has zaba.

      Praying for a Newcastle goal.

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        noooooooooo

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    3. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Kompany

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    4. Colonel Wasabi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      The silent majority ?

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  19. - DC -
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    You couldn't take 2 seconds to rate this could you? Any changes I need to make or any improvements you would suggest?

    WC team -

    Mannone - Adrian
    Coleman - Koscielny - Clyne - Ward - Chester
    Hazard - Ozil - Silva - Ramsey - Januzaj
    Suarez - Aguero - Lukaku

    £0.5m in the bank

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    1. Spoonerism
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Very tasty, you must have an amazing team value.

      Nothing to suggest here, don't think there's anything out of place.

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      1. Spoonerism
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Mind doing mine? I have less cash, but exactly the same midfield.

        Foster, Davis
        Coleman, Zabaleta, Clyne, Chester, Whittaker
        Haz, Ozil, Ramsey, Silva, Januzaj,
        Suarez, Aguero, Campbell

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    2. super zlatan
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      It's nice but would hold fire on Ramsey. Also aguero isn't back yet. Maybe negredo until aguero plays.

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      1. Spoonerism
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Agreed, was looking at alternatives to Aguero and Ramsey. Keep them for two weeks and then do a 2FTs to bring them in… something like that anyway.

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        1. - DC -
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Thanks a lot guys!

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  20. GreenWindmill
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Have a nasty feeling we're going to get a sending off or two and capitulate badly now.

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    1. CABAYE4
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Sissoko and Cabaye definitely red card risks in the second half, wouldn't surprise me at all.

      Hopefully we come out and continue where we left off.

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      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Would make me so very happy to get something out of this game now, perhaps through a dubious penalty!

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  21. rohan
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Fairly quiet game at Newcastle. Was hoping for a few disallowed goals and swearing at refs

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  22. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Why are people suprised at the lack of understanding of the rules on here? This site is full of people who don't know the assist rules by gw 38 😛

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      and have a conflict of interest 😉

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    2. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I still don't understand them and I'm on my 5th season 😉

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    3. Gimli son of Gloin
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Do you think that's an offside?
      I understand he was in an offside position.. and when the ref turned his head he will have noticed that Gouffran was moving away from the path of the ball.. But I don't think it should have interfered with Hart nor do I think he'd have saved it anyway.

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  23. Evs
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Yet again nice balance on sky with their pundits... Carragher & Hamman.

    I'm surprised they haven't got Souness on there as well, that's how they normally rock !

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      ex reds take over the punditry world 😉

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    2. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Hamman played for Newcastle and Man City. Carragher can be claimed as charity.

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      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Aye, but he remember as a LFC player.

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  24. The Mandalorian
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Tiote's shot hit a beach ball....

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  25. Breadbin
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Terrible decision, not interfering with play - Non owner of City defender.

    Good decision, he made Hart second guess an attempt at a save - City defender owner.

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      but what about the neutrals..... wont somebody think of the nuetrals

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I own Kompany and was a horrible decision

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    3. MattysFantasyFooty
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Just shows the bias opinions of some people really think more about their fantasy than the right or wrong

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      1. Breadbin
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        This was my reaction when I saw El Berbossa posting his usual outrage at everything.

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    4. prophetíc™ ☆…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      About right!

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    5. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I don't own a City defender and I'm a Newcastle fan 🙁

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      1. prophetíc™ ☆…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Same here.

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    6. Somalion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      When my dad, a City supporter and a non-FPL player calls it a shite decisiondecision I'll run with that.

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      1. Somalion
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Smelly android being confusing.

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  26. mipola
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone finding it strange that tiote has 3 bps whhereas rest of the squad has 1 or 2?

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    1. Balotellitubbies
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Don't worry the lino will take em off him

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    2. QPR expects... glory!
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      He gets one bps for a disallowed goal that should have stood 😉

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  27. GREENDREAMS11
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Offence

    A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

    interfering with play or
    interfering with an opponent or
    gaining an advantage by being in that position
    No offence

    This is from the F.A. For season 2013-2014, hope it clears things up. IMO he interfered with play by being in line of the ball, Had he not moved, the ball would have hit him.

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    1. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      But the ball hit Demichelis and that is why he then was in the way. Hart wasn't getting there and Gouffran didn't block an attempt of a dive or the his view.

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  28. Crazy Joe
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Don't worry folks, all these decisions even themselves out of the season, or something like that...

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  29. The Chosen One...
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Cabaye needs to play deeper, hardly involved

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    1. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Eh? You watching a different game?

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      ?...He's involved in everything.

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  30. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Apparently City always start the second half strongly

    🙂

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