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Scout Report – Fernando

Manchester City made their second foray into the summer transfer market a couple of weeks ago by signing the defensive midfielder Fernando from FC Porto. Having failed with a bid back in January, the Premier League champions returned with an improved offer and finally captured the 26-year-old in a deal believed to be in the region of £12m:

Speaking to the club’s official website upon completion of the move, the Brazilian was clearly delighted with his switch to the English top-flight, as Manuel Pellegrini attempts to win the title for the second successive season at the helm:

“I am so happy to finally be joining Manchester City. I’m looking forward to meeting my new team-mates and helping City to defend the title. It is a very exciting time to be part of this football club and I cannot wait to play in the Premier League. City fans can be assured I will give my all every time I play and I’m looking forward to many happy years in Manchester. I have enjoyed my stay with Porto and I thank the club and the fans for their support during my time in Portugal. Now I am ready for a new chapter in my career.”

The History

Fernando’s career kicked off in his native country with Vila Nova back in 2005. A couple of years later, having scored three times in 57 appearances for the Brazilian third division outfit, he was snapped up by Porto on a five-year contract. Loaned out to Estrela Amadora in his first season in Portuguese football, he netted once in 27 matches before returning to his parent club in time for the start of the 2008-09 campaign.

Nailed-on in the centre of the park, Fernando has been a key figure in a run which has seen his side win four league titles, two Portuguese cups, five Portuguese Super Cups and a Europa League title over the subsequent six seasons. At Porto, a total of 232 appearances over all competitions harvested five goals and nine assists for a player who is no stranger to incurring the referee’s wrath – over the course of his career, the 26-year-old has picked up 71 bookings and been dismissed on six occasions.

The Prospects

Nicknamed “The Octopus” due to his tireless running in the middle of the park, Fernando’s signing is a sensible one from Pellegrini. Last season’s acquisition of Fernandinho proved a masterstroke and laid the foundations for Yaya Toure’s best ever year in the top-flight – with the Brazilian situated in front of the back-four, Toure was afforded greater attacking freedom and served up 20 goals in City’s title-winning campaign.

It was noticeable last term, however, that City had no viable alternative for Fernandinho in the centre of the park. Indeed, in the five games he failed to feature, Pellegrini’s side drew blanks on four occasions (against Stoke, Sunderland, Chelsea and Norwich) as their swashbuckling ways were somewhat limited by the Brazilian’s absence, with Toure taking up a more defensive role as a result.

Fernando should offer City a like-for-like alternative to Fernandinho, then, and as Pellegrini look to overhaul the central midfield area, question marks will surely grow over the futures of players such as Jack Rodwell, James Milner and Javi Garcia, with Gareth Barry already leaving for Everton. Bearing in mind City scored in every game with Fernandinho in the side, his contribution – whilst failing to catch Fantasy managers’ eyes – was vital in affording Pellegrini’s attack-minded players the freedom to flourish.

If, as expected, the City boss continues with the 4-4-2 formation that harvested 102 goals in 2013/14, Fernando’s arrival merely strengthens the champions’ options. A lack of attacking potential means few will look to bring him on board but, as Fernandinho showed last term, the knock-on effect bodes well for the likes of Toure, David Silva, Samir Nasri, Sergio Aguero and Edin Dzeko further up the park.

Further Reference

Fernando Wikipedia

Fernando Transfermarkt Page

Fernando 2013/14 You Tube Highlights

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  1. pundit of punts
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 9 months ago

    Mario making most of the summer.

    http://instagram.com/p/qNjv8bLj99/

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    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      Mario's some man for one man.

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    2. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      First comment:

      'You should name him Suarez'

      😆

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      1. pundit of punts
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        9 years, 9 months ago

        😆

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  2. Irish Madridista ⭐
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    9 years, 9 months ago

    I put in €10 to bet on these two Semis, I have €3 left to spend after last night nothing came through...

    Someone give me a good bet for €3 😉

    Thinking something with long odds as there's not much value to be had and its only €3.

    Correct half-time / full-time score? Someone with a bit more experience in betting? 🙁

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    1. King Nil Miss ✩
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      0:0

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      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 9 months ago

        Not great odds surprisingly..

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    2. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      It's only €3, I won't hold it against you 😀

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    3. banskt
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      How about a Ned 2-1 Arg fulltime score? Should be nice odds. Good chance.

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      1. Irish Madridista ⭐
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 9 months ago

        @ 11/1 ? 🙂

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    4. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      robben and sneijder to score anytime 18/1

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    5. The Missing Link
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      Dutch win and robben goal, easy;)

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    6. JT's Dog
        9 years, 9 months ago

        7-1 holland

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      • Kings of Lyon ★
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 9 months ago

        3-2 Argentina

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    7. FPL Should Reclassify Players Mid Season
      EmreCan Hustle
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 9 months ago

      Two changes which I feel would make FPL even better this season;

      1. At some point during the season (maybe the winter transfer window) all OOP or POO players should be re-classified into the positions where they've been deployed.

      2. Often defenders come on at the 15 min mark and contribute heavily to their team's CS, but end up getting only 1 point(while the rest get 6). This doesn't seem fair to me. Any defender who has played over 60 mins and kept a CS should get the 6 points.

      Do these changes seem reasonable? Would love FFS thoughts 🙂

      Thanks.

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      1. Gregor
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        • 14 Years
        9 years, 9 months ago

        I love an OOP player so I'd rather they didn't do that and any defender who plays 60 minutes and keeps a clean sheet already gets four points for it.

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        1. EmreCan Hustle
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 9 months ago

          Does he? Even if that defender comes on for an injured defender?

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          1. Gregor
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            • 14 Years
            9 years, 9 months ago

            Yep.

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        2. JT's Dog
            9 years, 9 months ago

            bit weird but someone in office was just talking about ali dia and then your grav pops up.
            its a sign, not sure what for though

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        3. banskt
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          9 years, 9 months ago

          I feel they should start rewarding defensive players, much like this McDs, but in a proportionate way.

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          1. EmreCan Hustle
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            9 years, 9 months ago

            'proportionate way' being the operative word 😉

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            1. banskt
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              I can suggest a proportionate way.
              1 point for every 3 recovered balls and 1 point for every blocked shot.
              For goals conceded points deducted should be incremental; e.g. 0 for 1GC, -1 for 2GC, -2 for 3GC, -4 for 4GC, -6 for 5GC, -10 for 6GC, -2n for n GC (n > 7).

              Alternatively, one can keep the blocked shot / recovered ball as in McD. And increase the rewards for goals simultaneously, something like 7 points for scoring a goal. The main idea is to make it proportionate. At the end of the day, a hattrick scorer should not end up with same points as a defensive mid. Again, after a terrific defensive display Leiva should not end up with 3 points only.

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        4. applebonkers
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          • 14 Years
          9 years, 9 months ago

          for number 1 i actually thought about applying this to a tiny fantasy game i made where it would be just about possible. but in fpl surely it wouldn't work as the giant mess it would make to people's squads who already own those players.

          i don't get the second point

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          1. EmreCan Hustle
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 9 months ago

            If Zabaleta starts for City and hobbles off after 20 mins, will the substitute (say Sagna) get 6 points for playing the rest of the game and keeping a CS? I think he'll only get 1 point.

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            1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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              9 years, 9 months ago

              6

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              1. EmreCan Hustle
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                Cheers.

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            2. JT's Dog
                9 years, 9 months ago

                how did zaba get injured?
                so unfair i captained him

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                1. EmreCan Hustle
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Robben fell on him iirc.

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          2. Valar(Keith)
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            9 years, 9 months ago

            i feel they should remove the winter WC and then leave fpl unchanged for eternity

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            1. Gregor
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              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              Indeed, FPL is awesome.

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              1. Valar(Keith)
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                this.. dunno why people keep suggesting changes in preseason every year. my biggest fear is they'll change something. its just perfect. they should make it more hardcore and remove the Winter WC(and maybe bring back man in the stands bps) but i dont see that happening and wont lose sleep over it 🙂

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                1. EmreCan Hustle
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Agree about the winter WC. People have been more careless with their WC because they know they'll have another in January. Me especially 😛

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                2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  its not perfect. certain players still aren't fantasy options whatsoever. mids who are chance creators/key passers need points.

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    chance creators and key passers create assist na? thats why we all love set piece hogs and silva type players.. or am i missing something? and givin McD style points for recovered balls and blocked shots for defensive mids would just ruin the fun of the game. just my view though. all depends on fpl towers(and Granville 🙂 )

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                    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      some players aren't lucky enough to be playing with aguero who finishes superbly. there are players who create endless chances but they are squandered by sub-par strikers through no fault of their own. (I'm looking at you Soldado)

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                  2. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    chance creators and key passers create assists and get points for that. thats why we all love set piece hogs and silva type players.. or am i missing something?
                    and if you mean holding mids etc givin McD style points for recovered balls and blocked shots for defensive mids would just ruin the fun of the game. just my view though. all depends on fpl towers(and Granville 🙂 )

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                    1. Valar(Keith)
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      eh.. howd that happen

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                  3. Billy Gilmore
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    I don't get this argument at all personally. Why do we want every player to be ownable? If every player is getting points then that completely removes the skill of the game (see McD for example – makes keeping a CS practically irrelevant for defenders, and goals/assists for mids).

                    Would only water down the game imo.

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                    1. Get up ya bum
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Spot on BG. Predicting players goals, assists and clean sheets while using trannies to manage the fixture list and earn coin is about perfect imo. K.I.S.S

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            2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              They should remove all wildcards and also remove negative points for own goals... IMO 🙂

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            3. JT's Dog
                9 years, 9 months ago

                couldnt use 'winter WC is coming ' then

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                1. Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  😆

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              • applebonkers
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                • 14 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                amen

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              • RedLightning
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                • 13 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                Either remove the January Wildcard, or replace the Main and January Wildcards with First Half-Season and Second Half-Season Wildcards. At least we wouldn't then be forced to play one in January and all end up with similar squads.

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            4. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              Number 1 is a joke, right?

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            5. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              monthly prize for best performer in that isolated month would be class.

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            6. Valar(Keith)
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              your point number 2.. they get the CS points even if they come on in the 29th minute (i think)

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              1. EmreCan Hustle
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                Is it?

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                1. Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  yup.. ive had players coming on in the first 30 mins and getting a CS. i think Reid did that for me last season and Dawson a couple seasons back.

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                  1. EmreCan Hustle
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    In that case ignore this post 😛

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                    1. Valar(Keith)
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      🙂 no problem mate

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              2. Valar(Keith)
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                and if they reclassify players midseason how do they handle it? they'll be in people's teams in their respective positions. if they change it then a person will suddenly have a midfielder/defender short and a midfielder/defender extra and vice versa? does not make sense to be honest

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            7. Fray Bentos
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              If it ain't broke, don't fix it

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            1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              Tomorrow: Chelsea FC is delighted to announce that Pasalic is heading out on loan with all our other hopeful punts for the future

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          3. shady4revr
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 9 months ago

            mcd, plz help in captain, robben, messi, de vrij, blind, mescherano, cillessen?

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            1. JT's Dog
                9 years, 9 months ago

                yip one of them would be good

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              • penguinsofdeath
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                • 12 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                I've gone Robben... he got 11 points in the last game without a goal or assist so if he can muster up a goal tonight then he should be worth the armband

                In this game Messi is too much of a gamble as he doesn't seem to gain points for anything else

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            2. applebonkers
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              • 14 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              swansea are after deeney apparently. surely not letting michu and bony go

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              1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                Do you think the guy can do it in the Prem? He strikes me as the archetypal Champ striker

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                1. applebonkers
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                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  you could probably half his goal output (plus bumping 46 games season down to 38), so about 10 goals if all goes well. i guess at age 26 it's harder to tell (lambert and holt were already 30) but yeah think i agree on the archetypal champ striker overall

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            3. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              Any news on De Jong? 🙂

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              1. bazrah99
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                He owns a car dealership. True story.

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            4. fastgun2111
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 9 months ago

              Need help for captain, Rojo, Garay, De Vrij, Sneijder, Mascerano, Messi, Robben, Cillicen??? please help I'm tearing my hair out

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              1. Keepergirl
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                Straw poll says Messi...will be the most common choice
                I'm leaning towards someone more defensive
                No way today's game will be like yesterday's so no goal fest or mega attacker points.
                I'm strongly leaning DeVrij, Garay or Mascherano
                Likely DeVrij or Garay

                Unless someone can tell me a way for Blind to get forward and get in some crosses/assists. Then may go Blind.

                It's human nature to think what happened yesterday will happen today. But in this case highly doubt it.

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                1. fastgun2111
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Ok, gut feeling said Robben or De Vrij, I just don't know.

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                  1. Keepergirl
                    • 9 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    DeVrij
                    Mascherano and Demichaelis have been interviewed and their plan is to crush Robben
                    I think they'll do it

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            5. JT's Dog
                9 years, 9 months ago

                are contributors only allowed one name?
                mark
                paul
                jonty
                andy
                granville
                anorak
                demi

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                1. Mr Sarcastic
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Yep, First thing in the milloin dollar contract.

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              • More Points for Passers
                Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 9 months ago

                A change I'd like to see in FPL

                some way to appreciate the pass-master midfielders who don't score or provide the final ball for a goal. be that through points for pass accuracy/completion or for number of chances created/key passes.

                would make teams less template as we re-evaluate midfield options. instead of all picking from a small bunch of goal-getting mids. at the moment there are too many midfielders who simply aren't a fantasy option.

                how can it be a perfect game if a sizeable portion of players aren't contributing to the point dynamics despite being instrumental for their teams?

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                1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  oh and better prizes! the fact that number 1 in the world is the only one to get something is a joke.

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                2. Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  whats an example of a pass master mid who does not get points though? Silva, set piece hogs, eriksen etc get assists anyway for doing just that.. even modric was an ok option 2 years ago(him and lennon both got 140-150 points in that season i remember).. the only guys who are left out are the holding mids like mikel etc and tbh its a good thing they are left out 🙂 .. there's no fun in cheering a tackle and counting passes to check the success rate :)..
                  goals, assists, cleanies, saves.. simple yet fun and effective

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    agree with you about prizes though 🙂 .. most seasons theres nothing to play for after GW 30 or so and then its just a habit tbh. the rivalry of ML's depend on the rivals and many people lost interest after Jan. Prizes though would give some incentive 🙂

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                  2. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    seen your reply above and agreed as far as soldado etc concerned 🙂 .. there is something beautiful about the frustration of seeing your creative mid lay chances on a plate and have a sub par striker squander it though 🙂 .. the joy goin through the misses until that final goal actually happens is part of fpl.

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                  3. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    someone like modric should be getting more points than that though given his talent/standing/performances

                    wilshere didn't have a great season but he is an example of a mid whose work goes un-noticed by FPL unless he assists. mccarthy at everton had a wonderful season but gets no points for his work

                    and I disagree that holding mids should get no love. players like that shouldn't be rewarded like they are in McD's but think there is a happy medium

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                    1. Wilshere Knowledge
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      The problem with rewarding defensive contributions is that the bad teams accumulate more. So Matic should be priced 5m, and Jedinak should be priced 8m.

                      It's just doesn't work to reward the better players.

                      I agree with the passer. 1 point for every chance created should suffice. (Not including set pieces) Opta already count these, so it wouldn't be difficult, or extortionate. In yesterday's thrashing for example, Lahm got 3 chances created as the top player, Ozil got 2 as joint second highest.

                      1/3 of the points of an assist for the same contribution that leads to goals seems fair.

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                      1. Valar(Keith)
                        • 14 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Silva created 6-7 chance per game on average if i remember correctly.. and ozil around 5 per game in the epl. would make them perma captain choices and easy 200+ point players when you couple assists and goals. would ruin the game

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                        1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                          • 11 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          it could be 1 point for every two/three chances created. just something to recognise their contribution.

                          same with RBs/BSs. if they had 1/3 of the importance they have in McDs I think that could work

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                        2. Dino
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                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Why would it ruin the game? Didn't Yaya get over 200 points last season? Price them all around 12m and everyone would have to make a choice between fixtures and form or destroying their team to put the maximum big hitters in.

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                      2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        but chelsea always park the bus so matic would rake them in!

                        i do see your point though

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                      3. Billy Gilmore
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Chances created is a terrible stat though imo. I remember Kyle Walker getting millions at the start of last season, simply because he'd pass it to Townsend who'd then launch it into row z.

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                        1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                          • 11 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          good point. he would be a freak anomaly though wouldn't he?

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                  4. Dino
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                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    with the new bonus system the creative mids are way down on their old points totals. There is no value in assisting mids now only the goal scoring ones (and even then they are not getting as much bonus as before and are overvalued as a result).

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                3. Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  one thing they could change is giving negative bps for shots off target is just insane though 🙂 .. they should get rid of that. the more shots a striker takes the less bps he's likely to get madness

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                  1. applebonkers
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                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    i think -1 for every 3 shots off target is fair enough

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                    1. Valar(Keith)
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      is it for every 3? 😯 .. based on how many times suarez lost his bonus points post match i thought it was for every 1.. seems fine then

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                      1. Billy Gilmore
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Suarez lost his baps for being dispossessed so many times, not shots off target.

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                        1. Dino
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                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Losing bps for getting dispossessed is wrong too imo as attacking fb's, wingers and fwds have to be brave enough to take on people in order to create chances. Either they need to increase the bps for beating an opponent or reduce the bp's for getting dispossessed imo

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                          1. applebonkers
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                            • 14 Years
                            9 years, 9 months ago

                            this is true. say you have -1 for being dispossesed 3 times then a +1 should be there for completing 3 dribbles

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                      2. applebonkers
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                        • 14 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        suarez was more getting dispossessed. when you try and dribble 300 times a match then unless you are messi you'll lose the ball a lot

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                        1. Dino
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                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Even Messi would be penalised with this system.

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                            1. Dino
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                              • 14 Years
                              9 years, 9 months ago

                              If it is -1 for being dispossessed three times then Messi loses the almost same the same bps as Suarez (Suarez almost 8 take ons per game winning 35% of them = 5 dispossession per game = -1bps avg, Messi just over 8 take ons per game at 50% success = 4.1 disposessions per game = -1bps per game avg)

                              Cracking article though thanks.

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                  2. In Like Flynn.
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                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    None of it takes into account whether the shot is two inches off target or goes for a throw in.

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                4. Billy Gilmore
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Repost from above...

                  I don't get this argument at all personally. Why do we want every player to be ownable? If every player is getting points then that completely removes the skill of the game (see McD for example – makes keeping a CS practically irrelevant for defenders, and goals/assists for mids).

                  Would only water down the game imo.

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                  1. In Like Flynn.
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                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    It doesn't work for every player BG, just a greater number of decent options. I think that is the argument.

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                    1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      this

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                  2. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    not every player would get points, every type of player would get points. a world class holding mid would get points for pass accuracy/completion and key passes/chances created but a terrible one like whelan or palacios would still go un-noticed

                    it would make the game more skillful imo as the best managers would be able to find a great balance between goal-scoring mids and passing mids.

                    what's the skill in every manager picking 4 number 10s for their midfield slots?

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                    1. Billy Gilmore
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      So you'll end up with someone like Matic getting 5-6 points EVERY game. What's the point then?

                      The skill in this game comes from picking the players that are likely to score goals/get assists before the fact. Getting players in before a good run of fixtures, spotting form etc.

                      The bigger the gap between good and poor options only accentuates the skill required in picking the best players for a given week/period.

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                      1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                        • 11 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        against teams that chelsea dominates he wouldn't. the mids who are further forward creating would also get slightly more points from chances created/key passes on top of scoring so they would still score more than the matic types.

                        I think a great example is Gerrard. everyone was banging on about how reliant he is on set plays/pens for points. that a player like him who is a talisman for his team doesn't score points in open play is ridiculous

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                      2. In Like Flynn.
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                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Then everyone whining about template teams, as most "Skill" has been removed by the vast amount of available information on here and one or two other sites.

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                        1. Billy Gilmore
                          • 11 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          But having the template team doesn't get you far does it? You're hardly going to win the game with it, are you?

                          Template teams are more an issue to do with the information on here and other sites rather than the scoring system. A different scoring system will still have superior options, they may be different, but they'll still exist.

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                5. In Like Flynn.
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  This is why Metro and the Guardian game before it were such good games. The overall point scoring was far better balanced.

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                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Do you remember the Guardian Game? We had to have two DMs ...

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                    1. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      It was the game of choice for the pub ML Doosra.

                      Which proves it was better! 😉

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                    2. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      I don't remember having to have two defensive mids. I know CBs were the players of choice and got huge scores.

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                      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        I wish I had known you then.

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                        1. In Like Flynn.
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 13 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          I think I came on here just before the end of the last season the Guardian was running.
                          We badgered them not to cancel the game but to deaf ears.

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                          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 14 Years
                            9 years, 9 months ago

                            I wrote an excoriating letter to the Marketing department, after having one of "those" conversations with the then features editor.

                            She ended up claiming that the marketing department couldn't be arsed to look for new sponsors, and she couldn't see the point of "a silly boys' game"!!! 😆

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                      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Don't you remember Gareth Barry's HUGE Season?

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                        1. In Like Flynn.
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 13 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Oh yes. Hard to believe now.

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                  2. dmcqt
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    The Guardian game over-rewarded defenders and defensive midfielders. I remember Michael Turner being the most desirable player for a while!

                    A change I would like to see is for the value of players to be closer in line with their real-life value and for the points earned to be a reflection of this. This would make it harder to have many top-level strikers and more important to balance a squad. I'm not sure in practice how the points earned would do this...

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                    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      I don't agree. I believe they got it spot on.

                      I would like to see that game engine resurrected.

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                    2. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      I'd agree on the CBs and DMs , but fixing that is only the odd tweak here or there.

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                6. Rasping Drive
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Play the Metro game then.

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                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    The interface is crap.

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                    1. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Interface-schminter face, it's the game that's important. All the stats and stuff can be gleaned elsewhere.

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                      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 14 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        If they can't be bothered to store my username, and won't allow my password to be stored on my computer, then I can't be bothered to log on!

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                        1. In Like Flynn.
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 13 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Well you no longer have the option so , .........................................

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                    2. In Like Flynn.
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      *Was*

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                    3. Rasping Drive
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      I actually had a go at it last season, but lost interest about 10 gameweeks in. I think we were in Flynny's league 🙂

                      If I could be bothered to study the rules and points system I am sure I could get to enjoy it. But FPL takes up enough time as it is and I find it much more fun. So FPL only for me

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                  2. In Like Flynn.
                    • Has Moderation Rights
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    I wish I could. 😥

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              • JT's Dog
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  betsson is rubbish
                  give you £25 free matching bet but need to gamble £250 before you can withdraw cash.
                  my account has been up and down more times than porn star in a lift

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                  1. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    hang on, i have £100 winnings in there. what is the £250 rule?

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                    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      You normally need to turnover your winnings a few times with these free bets before you can withdraw

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                • WorldCupDanB
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Is there any early line up news?

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                • More Cowbell
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Lets keep the captain poll going:

                  http://strawpoll.me/2078368/r

                  Keep voting!

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                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Higuain. Won't work for me.

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                  2. Jimbo123
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Hmmm a lot of Messi votes there......I thought I'd see more Masch

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                • FPL Daniel
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Who we captain today? Obviously ones who missed on Lahm, Muller, Kros yesterday. And ones in the Hummels trap like me

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Going messi purely for the entertainment value. other options are Masch, Garay, DeVrij, Demichelis, Cillesen and Robben

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                    1. Root
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Counting RBs and blocks is the ultimate entertainment.

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                    2. Mr Sarcastic
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Lost 45 points of my ml lead yesterday, So very much angry/desperate/panic/scary/helpless mood here.....propably Messi and hope for the best.

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                • textex33
                  • 9 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  In a game where the only scoring categories are assist = 6, goal = 10 and cleansheet = 12 (but goals scored against defender = -2) would you rather have.

                  A) 1 match of Muller (in final) and 1 match of Luiz (in 3rd place game)
                  B) 2 matches of DeVrij

                  concerned w/ option A in the case that Luiz gets blown out again (cost me -10 yesterday)

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                  1. Get up ya bum
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    a

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                • Mr Sarcastic
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Cap Messi tonight, right?
                  altough All of Garay, DeVrij and Masch have temptation in them too...

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                  1. Zion
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Yeah, I'm going for Messi. The other options I have are Sneijder and Robben, but I'm going for Leo.

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                    1. Mr Sarcastic
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      In your situation definetely best and safest option.

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                    2. Keepergirl
                      • 9 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Lightning doesn't strike first
                      No way it'll be a goal fest again
                      Betting it's a tight defensive game
                      Robben will be crushed by Masch and Demichaelis
                      Congested defensive middle will inhibit Messi

                      I'm thinking Garay or DeVrij, possibly even Rojo or Blind if I can convince myself that they'll have a chance to get forward.

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                      1. Mr Sarcastic
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Twice? 🙂

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                        1. Keepergirl
                          • 9 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          🙂 yes "lightning doesn't strike twice"
                          And it won't today!

                          More points for a CD or DCM today you think?

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                • HoosierThunderbolt
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Substitution Puzzle!

                  I have this situation in front of me and am stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated and I'd bestow good karma on you forever.

                  Current Squad...

                  Boateng (8), Hummels (3), Luiz (6), Rojo (X), Blind (X), De Vrij (X)
                  Lahm (18), Oscar (9), Kroos (19), Gustavo (7), Mascherano (X)
                  Klose (7), Messi (x), Depay (X)

                  Hummels and Luiz are both out, so I can sub in Defenders...prob Rojo and De Vrij....Do I take out Gustavo (7) to fit in Blind?

                  If he starts, does Klose become Depay?

                  Thanks again for any help. I'm a newbie. :/

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                  1. penguinsofdeath
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Depay doesn't strike me as likely to score big in this game

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                    1. HoosierThunderbolt
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Thanks!

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                  2. GunsnRoses
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    How your Lahm scored 18 and mine 16 😮

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                    1. HoosierThunderbolt
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Because I can't read good.....16. He got 16.

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                • The Sarjeant
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Think next season I'm going to go without Yaya, but the moment he scores he'll be straight in my team 😆

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                  1. Kings of Lyon ★
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    I didnt have him once last year and im going to be stubborn once again

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                • r0nh
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  What's the point in it all, really?

                  *jumps in front of a train*

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                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Blimey. Now you're on the front of a garbage truck. 😉

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                    1. r0nh
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      I'm sorry 🙁

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                • bunnyrampage
                  • 9 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Captain Robben or Mascherano?

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                  1. Kings of Lyon ★
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Mascherano imo

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                  2. bunnyrampage
                    • 9 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    20th in McD's so might tempted to go sage with Mascherano.

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                    1. bunnyrampage
                      • 9 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      *might be tempted *safe

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                    2. Jimbo123
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Or be bold and win the whole thing.

                      Who remembers the guy that finished 15th?

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                      1. iCon
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        The guy who finishes 15th?

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                        1. Jimbo123
                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          Exactly 😉

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                          1. bunnyrampage
                            • 9 Years
                            9 years, 9 months ago

                            Robben has actually been pretty consistent, so I think I will do Robben. The only game where he got less than 8 fantasy points was vs. Mexico and they had a great defense. Argentinian defense has looked shaky.

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                • Valar(Keith)
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  worth swapping Demichelis in for Gustavo(7)? wont be able to wait for team sheets and gotta do it right now unfortunately.. he should start right?

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    just read on a couple betting sites that fernandez could be drafted in in order to deal with robben 😯 .. think i wont make the sub. cant see myself losing much anyway..

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                • Jafooli
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Brazil need Argentina to win tonight and then loose to Germany.

                  If they loose tonight and then beat Brazil in the 3rd/4th play off, then they haven't reached rock bottom yet 😮

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                  1. Billy Gilmore
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    *lose

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                    1. Jafooli
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      *booze

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                • Colonel Shoe 肝池
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  rolf harris was nicknamed the octopus for other reasons

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                  1. 4vets
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    He had 8 tentacles? 😯

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                    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      only 7, clearly this is a metaphor 😉

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                      1. 4vets
                        • 13 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        Rolf Squid Harris.

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                • Get up ya bum
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Cortois 4.0
                  Debuchy 4 cheapies
                  Fabregas Eriksen Mata 2 rotating cheapies
                  Aguero Bony Sanchez

                  giddyup

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                  1. Valar(Keith)
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    u spelt RVP and Ramsey wrong

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                    1. Get up ya bum
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      😀

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                    2. Jebus Saves
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      You spelt you wrong.

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                  2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    ooo ello champ, nice to see you again

                    yep lookin like the new template 😉

                    needs more hull tho

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                    1. Get up ya bum
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Ello ol' pal 🙂

                      Is it really? 😡 Gonna run my own race this year. Who's the likely lads from Hull then?

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                      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
                        • 12 Years
                        9 years, 9 months ago

                        unsure at the mo since ince et al came in, but their fixtures are ace early on

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                        1. Get up ya bum
                          • 14 Years
                          9 years, 9 months ago

                          True. Maybe Ince or Brady can fill one of my cheap mid spots.

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                • Beavis
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  @lucasammr: Messi's best journo friend, @jorgetopolopez, died a few hours ago in Brazil after a car fleeing from the Police hit his.

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                  1. Jimbo123
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Wtf

                    No idea whether this Is good, bad or indifferent as a Messi owner......

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                    1. Van Dal
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      bad

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                • Get up ya bum
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  So Timmy or Jimmy for best goal of the wc? For me Timmy's was more difficult. Jimmy's more audacious

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                • Jafooli
                  • 12 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Gotta say I felt sorry for Bernard last night. All that pre-KO Neymer jizzfesting (is that a word?) can't of helped his confidence.

                  Okay he wasn't much good, but he worked his socks of for 90mims.

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                  1. Walsh
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    His finishing was woeful but he was one of the only players on the pitch actually running and putting forth his best effort. I agree.

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                    1. Walsh
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 10 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      *For Brazil

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                  2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    dont know what to make of last night.........exciting and depressing to watch in equal measure

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                  3. Jafooli
                    • 12 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    *off, before spell bee Billy pipes up

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                    1. Billy Gilmore
                      • 11 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      😆

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                  4. iCon
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    *can't have helped 😉

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                    1. Jafooli
                      • 12 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      😛

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                  5. Jack Frost
                    • 13 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Well, he was fun to watch when he bounced off Neuer. Actually, Bernard was playing fairly, but it reminded me of Pong.

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                • Mozart_s Balls
                  • 11 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Gustavo (7 pts.) vs. Sneijder.

                  Stick or twist?

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                • FPL Daniel
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Don't own Messi.

                  Masc or Robben captain?

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                  1. FPL Daniel
                    • 14 Years
                    9 years, 9 months ago

                    Maybe Chilessen with all those potential saves?

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                    1. bazrah99
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Robben will make it more fun to watch.

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                    2. Kings of Lyon ★
                      • 13 Years
                      9 years, 9 months ago

                      Chilessen or Masc

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                • Jack Frost
                  • 13 Years
                  9 years, 9 months ago

                  Twist. Do you really want Gustavo on your permanent record? lol

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