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9 July 2014 2000 comments
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As the football fraternity still attempts to digest Germany’s 7-1 drubbing of Brazil, Holland and Argentina prepare for action in the second semi-final. Both sides made their way into the last four with narrow wins – the South Americans squeezed past Belgium with a third 1-0 win in four matches, whilst the Dutch required spot-kicks to finally get the better of Costa Rica:

Argentina: Romero; Zabaleta, Garay, Demichelis, Rojo; Mascherano, Biglia; Perez, Messi, Lavezzi; Higuaín

Holland: Cillessen; Vlaar, De Vrij, Martins Indi; Kuyt Wijnaldum, De Jong, Blind; Sneijder; Van Persie Robben

Alejandro Sabella makes two alterations from his quarter-final line-up. At left-back, Marcos Rojo returns after serving a one-match suspension, whilst in midfield, Benfica’s Enzo Perez is afforded his first start of the tournament at the expense of the injured Angel di Maria. Up front, Sergio Aguero only makes the bench after missing the last two through injury.

Lionel Messi’s Fantasy owners will be hoping for a return to form after the forward delivered just a single assist over the last two matches. Gonzalo Higuain came to the rescue last weekend and, having opened his account for the campaign with a sweetly-taken winner against Belgium, will be in buoyant mood for tonight’s encounter. The rest of Sabella’s side need to step up, though – aside from Messi and Higuain, no Argentina player has had a hand in more than one goal thus far.

After failing to find a way past Keylor Navas last Saturday evening, Louis Van Gaal will be desperate for his side to return to the form that saw the Dutch net 12 times in their first four fixtures. The Holland boss makes just once change from the weekend, bringing in fit-again Nigel de Jong for Memphis Depay, with Wesley Sneijder moving forward into the role in “the hole” in a 3-4-1-2.

Robin van Persie has recovered from a stomach bug, then, and the United man, along with Arjen Robben, will be key to their side’s progress. After scoring three goals apiece in the opening couple of group games, the duo have hit a drought – the Bayern man has managed a pair of assists over the last three matches, whilst Van Persie has blanked in both his subsequent appearances.

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  1. Obi Wan Elokobi
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 6 months ago

    Would people even be mentioning Krul if they went through last game without bringing him on ridiculous Cillessen is getting the blame.

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    1. President John F. Keninnsie
      • 12 Years
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      +1

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    2. GuyIncognito
      • 16 Years
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      People should question the decision of having Ron Vlaar of all people taking the first penalty.

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      1. Disco Stu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
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        ^ This

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    3. Zep
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      LvG has to take responsibility for all of it...

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    4. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
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      This is exactly why LVG subbing him off last game destroyed him.

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  2. Jack Frost
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    Mascherano gets 8 pts plus CS and Fernandino got 5 points. Amazing. Ratio should be about three to one based on performances.

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      Act all it was 5 2 if you exclude appearance so not far off

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      1. Jack Frost
        • 15 Years
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        Well, Mascherano was so key to their "win" or 0-0. Guess the only way is bonus points.

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        1. Jack Frost
          • 15 Years
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          Hutton... guess you are right.

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  3. Zep
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    As a keeper who excels at saving penalties, Cillessen lacks the outward confidence to intimidate penalty takers...

    He was minus a personality, just stood quietly on the line... he needed to get inside their heads...

    He didn't do any of that...

    Poor form...

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    1. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
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      Yeah, he looked scared and overwhelmed

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      1. GREENDREAMS11
        • 16 Years
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        Just a bit paranoid that he was left in goal to face penalty takers. poor sod.

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    2. Gnu
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Your basically condoning bad sportsmaship there Zep.
      Poor form...

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      1. Zep
        • 15 Years
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        There is a line that you shouldn't cross, but there are lots of things you can do that I wouldn't consider as bad sportsmanship...

        Although, I would do alomst anything to win... 😉

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        1. JT's Dog
            11 years, 6 months ago

            You're not allowed to cross the line are you as a keeper?

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            1. Zep
              • 15 Years
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              That happens all the time, to different extents...

              If the refs actually disallowed all the penalties where this happened, then 95% of all penalties would be retaken...

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      2. GreennRed
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        He's never saved a penalty in his professional career.

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    3. AppleDunk
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      Who is supposed to be Argentina's last spot kicker?

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      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
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        Squiggle

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    4. The Machine
      • 12 Years
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      No goals after last 16, and to think they could have made it to the final

      Van Gaal Genius

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      1. Obi Wan Elokobi
        • 14 Years
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        You get 1 point in the premiership.

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        1. The Machine
          • 12 Years
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          The genius bit was sarcasm

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          1. Jack Frost
            • 15 Years
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            Well, is LVG related to Carrot Top?

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        • 16 Years
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        Good point. And he arranged those penalties well. Huntelaar well pleased.

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          Hey Doos, cheers for inviting me to the Mirror game, I'm 3rd in the world, 5 points off top 🙂

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
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            Good man. I, on the other hand ... 😆

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          2. Evs
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            BonZ was top before tonights game I believe...

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 15 Years
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              Yeah, he's still top. He's going down like Divine Brown, though 😉

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              1. Evs
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                Oh rightio 😆

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    5. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      Hmmm Robben(c) v Marcelo?!!

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      1. Evs
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        Why not 🙂

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    6. 4vets
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      Let's face it. Most people here talk a pile o' shite 🙂

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
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        True.

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      2. MJ6987
        • 15 Years
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        Sorry! 🙂

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      3. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
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        All*

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
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          *Most

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
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            *All apart from Doosra.

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      4. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Wise words, my mayonaise reeking friend.

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        1. 4vets
          • 15 Years
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          🙂

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      5. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
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        im just a botnet

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      6. Somalion
        • 16 Years
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        Absolutely!

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    7. DaveZubie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 6 months ago

      Could be a lot of second choice players in the 3rd place playoff.

      Tim Krul to play!

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    8. JT's Dog
        11 years, 6 months ago

        Does it say anywhere that 3rd place game will count for mcds

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        1. Konig Luther
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          in fixtures... they had both games

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          1. JT's Dog
              11 years, 6 months ago

              Ok so may just be fixture still rather than counting

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          2. Sif
            • 12 Years
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            1st group phase > 2nd group phase > 3rd group phase > Round of 16 > Quarter-finals > Semi-finals > Final

            I assume not.

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            1. Sif
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              Stand corrected

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        2. Bubz
          • 12 Years
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          Play off will be fun for a captain punt

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          1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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            ooo does that count as a match on macds?

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            1. Bubz
              • 12 Years
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              Yeah of course

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              1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
                • 14 Years
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                coolio

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          2. GreennRed
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Will be picking team an hour before playoff when teams are announced. Plenty of squad players to start.

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        3. 420king
          • 11 Years
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          @McDonalds....is it only Finals or 3rd placed game also?

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
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            Both

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            1. 420king
              • 11 Years
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              thanks

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          2. 4vets
            • 15 Years
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            Both games.

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            1. mr messi
              • 15 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              Where does it say that? It just says Final above your team for the next round.

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                1. mr messi
                  • 15 Years
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                  Im still not convinced the playoff match counts. It's not listed in the rounds above your team.

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                  1. Billy Gilmore
                    • 13 Years
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                    It is. Go to your team for the final now and they're all available.

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        4. LewanGOALski
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Messi up to 6 ?

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          1. BantamPhil
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Yes should be 7, he got an extra two deliveries into the box in the 2nd half of ET I swear

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          2. HuttonDressedasLahm
            • 16 Years
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            Wow! 😉

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        5. Tomlette Greggs
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Germany set to play Argentina in the final of the World Cup and Germany's first match after the WC is against #ARG in Dusseldorf.

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        6. GreennRed
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Kun in for Higuain or Lavezzi in a rejigged front 3 next Sunday.

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        7. Henry Hill
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Vlaar taking the first spot kick is as bizarre a decision as i have seen from a manager

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          1. Jimmers
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
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            Snap!

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          2. CRUSHER
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Yeah, had no faith in that guy. He was very good defensively, but a penalty taker? No. Mind you, we had nobody else really, maybe Wijnaldum. Leave them for the last penalty though.

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        8. Arvin-ation
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
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          Massive drop in FOX 😕

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          1. Zep
            • 15 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Same, captained a player in the wrong game... 🙁

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          2. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Big rise with my triple CS. Sold Vlaar for a hit though 😳

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          3. Disco Stu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            I've moved up to 63rd in World and 2nd in USA in the Fox game. Helped having two Dutch D and their Keeper

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        9. Jimmers
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          People blaming Cillessen but Vlaar taking the first pen??

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          1. GreennRed
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Blame Van Gaal for putting his CB on first peno.

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          2. Ryan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            He must have asked to take one. It makes no sense.

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          3. Willis.
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            And not letting Huntelaar take one at all..

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        10. The Missing Link
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Team Nigeria would like to thank demichelis for his 30 point captain haul for 3 of our members. Onward to the final!! 😀

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          1. Walsh
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Damnit!

            Fair play ML I think I was the only one on my team with Demi and I captained Messi 🙁 Good match to you and your teammates good luck in the final.

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            1. The Missing Link
              • 12 Years
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              Thanks mate! Was a great game and we got very lucky in the end with demichelis! I didnt even have Messi so I consider this a complete fluke!

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          2. Smarty Pants
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Whaaat? You rascals!
            *bites the Missing Yobo's shoulder*

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            1. The Missing Link
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              We the luckiest team on the planet! First a kokorin goal to get us through the groups, then the whole team having de bruyne forvhis big haul and now demichelis 😀 thanks for the great game though, made the game come down to the last minutes!

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            2. The Missing Link
              • 12 Years
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              I honestly think we won with that 120th minute demichelis blocked shot 😀

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              1. Smarty Pants
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 6 months ago

                Nah, it's a rather comfortable win for you.

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        11. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          is it true there wasnt a shot on target for holland till the 99th minute?

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        12. Henry Hill
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          You really ave to look back on Van Gaal's decision to bring on Krul for the shoot-out against Cost Rica now. Cillessen's confidence must have been shot going into that penalty shootout as he would have known that his manager thought he couldn't be trusted for penalties.

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          1. Bubz
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            I disagree. He put Krul on because Cilessen is crap at penalties. It worked. Then he had no choice but to use his 3 transfers this game. Nothing he could do about it. Cilessen is a goalkeeper it's his job to save things, and he didn't do it. Nobodies fault but his.

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            1. Bubz
              • 12 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              Putting Ron Vlaar up first however....

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            2. Gnu
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              Since when did goalies start getting blamed for not saving penaltys.... ffs Bubz!

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
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                😀

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              2. Bubz
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                I'm not saying it's his fault they lost the shootout. I'm just saying Van Gaal putting Krul on in the last match isn't the reason Cillesen didn't save anything.

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            3. Jimmers
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
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              Vlaar and Sneider missing pens has nothing to do with it of course!

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              1. Bubz
                • 12 Years
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                Well I'm just talking about Cilessen's performance not being anybodies fault but his. Not the fact they lost the shootout.

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                1. Willis.
                  • 14 Years
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                  Rubbish. It was 100% Van Gaal's fault for mentally destroying him.

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                  1. Bubz
                    • 12 Years
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                    Nonsense.

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          2. Ryan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Well no, Krul is clearly better at saving penalties. The question should be, why didn't Van Gaal bring Krul on instead of Huntalaar. I guess he new the odds of winning two penalty shootouts in a row was slim.

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            1. Willis.
              • 14 Years
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              Because Van Persie was dying...

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              1. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
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                Leave him to die on the pitch, bring on a pen saver and still have a regular pen taker on.

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              2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
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                • 14 Years
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                for a shit.....

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        13. Gnu
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
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          LvG should be hung , drawn & quartered for that penalty shoot out performance.
          After all. he took all the credit when they won their last one, only fair.

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          1. Henry Hill
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Yup, if Van Gaal was praised for taking him off the last day then he must be criticized for leaving him on today, especially after the previous vote of no confidence.

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            1. Somalion
              • 16 Years
              11 years, 6 months ago

              I'd agree but he had to take RVP off really.

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              1. Somalion
                • 16 Years
                11 years, 6 months ago

                Not to say he didn't deserve criticism.

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          2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            +42. That is all.

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          3. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
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            Exactly. Only an incompetent fool wouldn't bring on their reserve keeper.

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          4. Zep
            • 15 Years
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            Absolutely he takes all the blame...

            There is, however, always room for individual critiques...

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        14. Arvin-ation
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 6 months ago

          Anyone have any 3rd place play off punts in mind?

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          1. HuttonDressedasLahm
            • 16 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            Depay, or Lens v THAT defence

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          2. anshdebnath
            • 11 Years
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            we will get points from 3rd place play off///???

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        15. The Missing Link
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          If united go to pens they'll have Lindegaard in goals with Smalling or Jones taking their first penalty 😀

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
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            Lindegaard might be playing the league cup games anyway.

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            1. The Missing Link
              • 12 Years
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              *amos 😀

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        16. GreennRed
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          Mascherano MOTM.

          Maxi scored winning penalty.

          YNWA 😉

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          1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
            • 14 Years
            11 years, 6 months ago

            mash deserves it for that critical block

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          2. Zep
            • 15 Years
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            Romero, the official MOTM...

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            1. GreennRed
              • 14 Years
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              Official ! We know the truth.

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              1. Zep
                • 15 Years
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                The truth is out there...

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          3. HuttonDressedasLahm
            • 16 Years
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            Kuyt lost though

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            1. GreennRed
              • 14 Years
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              Played well I thought. Apparently Van wants him for United. Him and every Dufch player bar RVP.

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              1. potsymoore
                • 11 Years
                11 years, 6 months ago

                What were you watching? Kuyt's passing was appalling! Can't fault his workfare but he's just shit!

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          1. Epic Fail
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            If man says he's a ting then he's a ting.

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              1. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
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                😀

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        18. Saniul
          • 13 Years
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          OR 9 on Fox. B|

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          1. Bubz
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            Nice! Well done

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          2. Root
            • 14 Years
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            Nice! Well done

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          3. Zep
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            If Messi scored, I would've been 6th... 🙁

            But he didn't, so I'm down to 24th=

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            1. anshdebnath
              • 11 Years
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              would there will be score for 3rd place play off???

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        19. pundit of punts
          • 13 Years
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          McD OR- 97

          Target top 50 finish now. 🙂

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        20. GreennRed
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          Germany redhot favourites after making hay against schoolgirl defending.

          Argentina can defend a bit with the mercurial Mascherano and Kun and Messi have been saving themselves for The Maracana 😉

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        21. Merte
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          LVG will be the new Moyes next season.

          Can't wait

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          1. Somalion
            • 16 Years
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            Because?

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            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
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              his daughter is going to do a Magaluf with the new signings...

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              1. Somalion
                • 16 Years
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                Ahhh I see.

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          2. Bubz
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            Haven't seen Moyes taking an average team to a World Cup semi-final penalty shootout

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        22. pundit of punts
          • 13 Years
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          Looks like LVG is no more a tactical genius now that he didn't sub in Krul. 😆

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