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When weighing up the transfer of Manchester City’s Sergio Aguero and Crystal Palace’s Mile Jedinak at a cost of 17.6 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) against drafting in Aguero’s team-mate David Silva and Arsenal striker Olivier Giroud for exactly the same price there is logically only one winner given Jedinak’s absence in the Asia Cup and Giroud and Silva’s form.

But when I put this question earlier this week to many Fantasy managers the response was unanimously in favour of Aguero. Some wanted Aguero and Palace’s Jason Puncheon (although that’s cheating because it’s more expensive) and some went as far as saying they’d take Aguero plus anyone.  This has prompted me to put forward the case against Aguero being an essential part of your winter Wildcards.

Captaincy Fallacy

Let’s take the big issue first. “Aguero is the best captain option you can have. Take the armband and stick it on Aguero every week.”

Let’s assume that a non-Aguero team will have Alexis Sanchez and Diego Costa as alternative armband options. A reasonable assumption, I think, given that you don’t have Aguero’s 12.5 price tag to cover. I have therefore compared the effect of captaining Aguero every week with the result of captaining either Costa or Sanchez. To be more than fair to Aguero I have completely excluded Gameweeks 16-20 when he was injured but included all the weeks when either Costa or Sanchez were unfit to play. This means that Sanchez’ nine points in Gameweek 16 and Costa’s 11 in Gameweek 18 have not been counted.

To further take bias out of the comparison, I have always selected whichever of Costa and Sanchez had a home fixture irrespective of how many points they scored. And when they were both home or both away I have taken the one who was playing the lowest ranked opponent. This means that Costa’s 12 points in Gameweek 3 have not been included either.

The result of this:

Points from captaining Aguero: 107 over 17 weeks

Points from captaining Sanchez/Costa based on home and away or ease of opponent: 163 over 17 weeks.

Mull that over for a minute.  These are not figures that I have manipulated to fit my argument.

Poor Value

Right, so if we discount the captaincy as an imperative for Aguero, what else is there? After you take that out then value in terms of points per game per 1.0 cost is probably the next measurement.  Here are a few comparisons:

John Terry: 0.73 points per 1.0 cost per game

Sanchez 0.60 points per 1.0 cost per game

Costa 0.56 points per 1.0 cost per game

Aguero 0.50 points per 1.0 cost per game.

That’s looking at premium players only. Budget options like Downing or Austin will be way ahead of these numbers. Once again, these figures do not suggest Aguero is essential.

The other common reason to have Aguero (and usually captain him) is simplicity. It gives you a simpler decision to make each week.

Conclusion

In conclusion I want to emphasise that I am not saying Aguero is a bad choice. He’s obviously a good one. You have to spend your budget somewhere and having all lower cost players will not help because even though they may deliver high points per 1.0 cost per game you will leave millions unspent in the bank. A fit and healthy Aguero is certainly a good captain option (though by no means automatically the best in any given Gameweek) and I’d certainly rather spend 12.5 on him than on Robin van Persie. Although it is also true that the Argentine hasn’t been the most reliable on fitness either; 1528 minutes played last season and 1944 the season before is not encouraging.

My argument is not that he is a bad choice but simply that he is not essential. Even if you are among the top 1,000 managers, where Sanchez’ ownership (44%) and Costa’s ownership (64%) outweigh Aguero’s (51%). Although as a top 1,000 manager and probably having a high transfer value  you may very well want all three.

There is more than one way to skin a cat and going without Aguero, especially for players with a lower transfer value at Wildcard time, is surely something to consider.

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  1. J0E
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    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Interesting take on Aguero. I think one of the biggest issues with Aguero is the lack of Yaya. I wonder if ManC are feeling his absence more than we think. They look far less effective - and therefore far less likely to create chances for Aguero - without him.

    I know from experience though that Aguero is a season changing player. I captained him in Gameweek 8 and went from 158,647th to 6,923rd. In Gameweek 14 he took me to the edge of the top 1K with his 16 pt haul. There are very few players who can do that in FPL.

    1. Coquelino
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      RMWCT

      Ospina Hamer
      Terry Clyne Pva Wisdom Was
      Alexis Haz Adm Down Aluko
      DC Kun Kane

      Downing and Kane worth keeping??

    2. gribude
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Agree...Arsenal game showed how citeh r terrible in middle w/o tank from Ivory Coast

    3. Jinswick
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      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      City are certainly weaker without Yaya, but I think Aguero will do just fine regardless.

      Excluding last w/e (first full game from injury), Aguero has played 2 games without Yaya this season:

      ars - 1 goal
      TOT - 4 goals

      i.e. he'll be alright

      1. J0E
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        • 16 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Ooh, I like those stats.

    4. Northern Thumb
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Great piece. I agree with Jonty on him being a game changer, but I wouldn't necessarily captain him unless I thought he was almost certain to score. That means you need at least one other heavy hitter in your team, so it might come down to budget in the end.

    5. tokara
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      to add on, nasri is also missing

      basically if one shuts out silva, man C may just collapse

    6. GENERATION X
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      One thing about a Kun-less team - as we have found this season - is the flex you get elsewhere.

      Without him for say a Giroud I could go:

      Baines - Chelsea - Soton along with a couple of cheapies

      It allows Sanchez - Chelsea - 9 - 6 - 4 (something like ADM - Downing - Boyd)
      It allows Costa - Giroud - 6 (Kane atm but many good options less than 7)

      ...and leave me a million spare for repairs post WC.

      The side I get looks a lot more powerful than a Kun and Costa one...

  2. Timtastic03
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    The period you want to be looking at is gw6-15

    1. Timtastic03
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Costa didn't do anything during that period
      Sanchez had his big 4 gws then which would obviously help tilt the scales
      And you make it sound like an either or situation when clearly owning both was and is the way to go.

  3. gramck24
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    What about if you have all 3 players in your squad?

    Surely the Aguero vs Sanchez/Costa argument becomes null and void.

    1. Northern Thumb
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      The author covered this: "Although as a top 1,000 manager and probably having a high transfer value you may very well want all three."

      1. gramck24
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I saw this.

        But the author stated this in his piece.... "This has prompted me to put forward the case against Aguero being an essential part of your winter Wildcards."

        The comment you refer to reads to me as having all 3 after playing the winter wildcard.

        The author was basing his comparison in the early part of the season when most managers won't have had a squad with a high transfer value.

        My point was that it was possible to have all 3 in the early stages of the season although it would probably be detrimental to other parts of your squad. However, I've seen many do it and been very successful.

        1. Northern Thumb
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          ah, gotcha. thanks for clarifying. Yep you're right, could have had all three early on. Especially as Costa and Sanchez have risen significantly.

  4. Rhinos
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Good article. Think the main point is that no one essential, there are always ways to get more points. Having said that is anyone really brave enough to not have kun for Hull at home (assuming plays ok at Chelsea)

  5. Holmes
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I guess Aguero has made few sub appearances which ruins that points per million per game stats

    1. Northern Thumb
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      His scoring record as a sub is pretty tasty though

  6. Overlordleo
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I am starting to question having all of Costa, Aguero, ADM, Sanchez and Hazard in my WC team, especially since my team value is fairly low at 104,1 mil. Which of the above would you guys drop? I am currently on:

    Krul-Panti
    Clyne-Colo-PvA-Wisdom-Naughton
    ADM-Sanchez-Hazard-Elia-Boyd
    Costa-AGuero-Kane

    0,3 in the bank.

    This leaves me with 2 cheap midfielder, where one has to start every week. A third striker which will be hard to upgrade to someone like Austin if he loses his form and a defense without Terry.
    Doing either Sanchez > Cazorla, or Hazard + ADM > Fab + David Silva would léave me with enough money to upgrade some of the other positions.

    1. Nasri Loves Kompany
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Of those, I'd feel most comfortable moving on without ADM.

      1. Northern Thumb
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        I'd agree except that he's home to LEI this weekend. Why not ditch Hazard for the City game then do AdM > Hazard against Villa (A)?

    2. buffrey
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I Have no problems with your team. Think it's decent.

      Defence may be lacking but it rotates ok and Elia is a punt but there are other optima around the 5.5 mark (puncheon, Stoke mid, Larson)

      I say go with it and adjust when needed.

  7. Qubit
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    No one is really essential. However, what we are really after is the most predictable way to make the most points. Sure if you picked managed to pick the right captain each week it would be great, but whilst some people luck out, others dont.

    Because no one 'knows' who is going to score there is basically a large element of luck involved in picking a captain, in an ideal world we would like to reduce this and maximise our returns as far as possible.

  8. John t penguin
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    decent article but still think there is bias in it.
    to start with I don't think anyone who puts any effort into this game would just leave the armband on aguero every week, the likelyhood is most also own one or both of the other two so this week for example nobody is going to go with aguero over sanchez or even costa. I am pretty sure if you do the same calculations to any individual player in comparison to any two others who have scored just as well then the pair will always come out on top.
    having looked at the figures the way you did, but adjusted them for difficult games for aguero when either of other two had far easier games and also taken into account that people would pick one of the pairing on form and occasionally opponents no matter if home or away this is what i find
    costa/ sanchez up to week 16 = 105
    aguero and either of others on better games up to week 16= 115

    costa/sanchez up to week 22 = 141
    aguero and either of others on better games up to week= 150 ,
    this is going without aguero captain last two as the others had much better fixtures and aguero just back from injury so unsure if he would play.

    you could also throw in that it is possible you sold costa when injured or doubts started about his value and only brought in aguero instead just as his form shot up, then also throw in that you didnt bring aguero back last two weeks but stuck with other two, therefore giving you even more points.

    This obviously doesn't prove that aguero is essential but just showing that numbers can be used to show anything and it isnt as simple as saying you would captain aguero every week

    1. John t penguin
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      in saying that i am terrible at captains this year so I maybe just want to convince myself to actually just leave it on aguero or costa

    2. RedLightning
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      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Good comparisons, which suggest that neither Costa nor Kun should be automatically captained every week, and that if Aguero is not essential then neither is Costa.

      If choosing between them, rather than including both, the main differences IMO are that Aguero is more injury prone and that Costa takes up one of the three valuable Chelsea places in our squad.

      1. John t penguin
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers
        The one thing it did show up to me which I had never considered before is that for almost every week if you looked at Sanchez Costa captain rotation the way we look at cheap defender rotation it was really good, so if you didnt fancy thinking too hard about it, this may be a suitable plan

        1. John t penguin
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          Obviously the credit for this goes to Ruth

        2. RedLightning
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          • 15 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          But how does the Sanchez Costa rotation compare with Sanchez Hazard?

        3. RedLightning
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          • 15 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          ...It's surprisingly close according to my calculations:

          Sanchez/Costa captain rotation: 158
          Sanchez/Hazard captain rotation: 160

          I have assumed that Sanchez captained in GWs 1, 3, 8, 9, 11, 16, 18 and 19.
          He was also promoted from vice-captain in GW14 in the Costa rotation.

        4. RedLightning
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          10 years, 11 months ago

          ...If however you had used the Costa rotation up to GW9, the Hazard rotation up to 18 and the Costa rotation again up to GW22, then this would give a total of 179.

          1. John t penguin
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 11 months ago

            This is also making me now think about adopting this tactic for rest of f sason to see how it goes .
            Going to look at how arsenal chelsea rotate

            1. John t penguin
              • 11 Years
              10 years, 11 months ago

              Looking at sanchez, hazard/Costa , aguero captain rotation
              AVILLA
              HULL
              LEICESTER
              BURNLEY
              leicester
              LEICESTER
              WHU or burnley
              WBA or hull
              STOKE or C palace
              qpr or burnley
              SLAND
              A VILLA
              CPALACE or hull
              QPR
              wba or swan ( or pick southampton who have AVILLA)
              SLAND
              this captain thing seems so simple 😉

              1. Twelve years a slave
                • 15 Years
                10 years, 11 months ago

                An impressive list

  9. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Just bring him in and enjoy the pts. Stop this scientific approach nonsense IMO. He has highest goal ratio in the history of PL

    1. t4thomas
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Or wait one week and then bring him in.

  10. coriswrasse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    waiting to bring Kun in for Hull.
    will have:
    Pants, Foster
    Trippier, Ivanovic, Bertand, van An, Bruce
    Hazard, Puncheon, Sanchez, Boyd, Chadli
    Aguero, Kane, Costa
    quite template. currently top 5k.
    looking to shuffle the mid and rear guard some and keep those three up top

  11. t4thomas
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Any stats on how many in the top 10K have already used their WC?

  12. money face bandwagon
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    If u sell aguero..with the aguero cash i do not really think u can improve your team much.

    Even with aguero ur other areas are strong enough.

  13. tm245
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    I think your point about the need to spend money is crucial to this conversation, especially about captaincy. Giving yourself 3-4 legitimate captain options is massively important at this point with teams solidifying around the same players so you have to overpay for those premium assets, imo.

    Shocking as it may be, considering they are the defending champions, another issue to consider is how many allotted spots any one club takes up. Not many tinkering with Wild Card drafts have seen the message
    "Too many players selected from Man City"
    so Aguero doesn't limit your roster flexibility elsewhere like the Chelsea and Arsenal players do.

    Pretty sure everyone should be able to afford Costa Aguero Sanchez Hazard -- why go without the one who is least likely of all of them to max out your roster allotment since there are so many value options right behind them to get for those last few attacking spots?

    1. John t penguin
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      * sells boyata and nastasic

    2. Not Irish
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Because one's not remotely fit.

      1. tm245
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Wow. Look forward to catching you in the DZ sometime soon to hear more about this.

  14. Beavis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Although I appreciate the effort you've put in this and the fact that I disagree with the Kun fanboys on here that were adamant it was necessary to get him before GW 24 despite ARS, che, I still think you are slightly clutching at straws. You have basically created a huge argument to justify your decision to go without him potentially whereas sometimes FPL is much simpler than that.

    1. Ruth_NZ
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      I didn't look back on this for a day because I didn't fancy the flak. Actually it has not been too bad.

      I haven't made a decision to go without him. In fact I plan to bring him in for the Hull game and he may well stay in my team after that. The only point I wanted to make is that he is not essential. There are other ways you could go.

      To be frank, there is only 1 player I personally think will be essential in the last 16 games. Sanchez. Basically a forward with midfield bonuses, playing for a very good team and almost undroppable.

      After him I think there are a number of very good choices, Aguero amongst them. But none of them essential.

  15. SC not pearls before swine
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Agreed that Aguero isn't essential, and based on his production so far this season, you could argue he's not even a good buy. The difference for me is that based on his shot numbers, Aguero is perhaps underperforming a little bit. He's averaging 6.09 shots per 90 minutes, and 4.85 shots in the box per 90 minutes vs Costa's 3.45 and 2.89. Even against Arsenal, when Aguero was completely anonymous and ineffective, he was a last ditch deflection from an Arsenal defender away from a goal.

    Costa's a great pick too, and he could easily end up with the golden boot, but while if he's fit, Aguero's in my team. His upside is just so high.

  16. Twelve years a slave
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    This article misses one important point.
    The first six gameweeks virtually nobody owned Aguero. I was lucky to bring him in for GW7 for his big hauls.
    Its a little unfair bo include the first six gameweeks simply because he was hardly owned, and is also the period when Costa did particularly well

    1. Twelve years a slave
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Also it is only be the use of hindsight that are able to compare him with Sanchez or Costa. It gives a false bias to the study.

      1. Twelve years a slave
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 11 months ago

        Agree he isnt essential though

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 11 months ago

          That was all I was trying to show. The article (which Jonty edited somewhat) was not about saying that player A is, was or will be a better choice than player B.

  17. jhill89
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    or do what I've done and have all three!

  18. kenzo.
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    Something a lot of people seem to be forgetting is the part of the season that Aguero missed.....

    EVE lei CPL wba BUR

    All these 5 teams are in the bottom half of the table..... The other 5 teams in the bottom half of the table include QPR, Hull, Sun, AVL and New against whom he scored 13, 8, 16, 7 and 6 points respectively.....

  19. Ruth_NZ
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 11 months ago

    A last comment from me. I believe 'the template' has got it quite wrong by concentrating far too much on premium midfielders and forwards. A team is better balanced without them all.

    If you have, say, Sanchez, Aguero and Costa (or Hazard) that's the captain issue sorted as JT's Dog pointed out above. You can happily captain one of them every GW for the rest of the season (excluding a DGW).

    After that it's purely a matter of value (points per £1m). And the players that deliver best points per £1m are by majority defenders.

    You won't find Aguero, Costa, Hazard, Silva, ADM or any of those in the top 60 players in the game on value so far this season. Best premium mid is Sanchez in 60th place. Best medium mids are Eriksen (43rd) and Oscar (57th). There are NO premium forwards or even medium ones in the top 60 on value at all.

    But there are plenty of premium and medium defenders in there. Bertrand (1st), Clyne (7th), Terry (8th), Ivan (11th), Fonte (13th), Cresswell (30th), Janmaat (31st), Clichy (43rd), Baines (48th), Jagielka (53rd). Amongst the top 30 players on value there are 19 GKs and defenders to 11 mids and fwds (and other than Sigurdsson, Downing, Chadli and Austin these are all 6.0 or below). Look at places 31-60 on value and it's the same story again. 17 GKs and defenders to 13 mids and fwds.

    The optimum team construction should mean investing relatively more in defence than people usually do and probably playing 4-4-2 with a cheap 5th defender, cheap 5th mid and cheap 3rd forward (although you might tweak this a bit by using attacking and defensive rotations). That's what I am now going to do with my wildcard and it results in a very nice team that is quite far away from the template. No Hazard, no ADM, no Silva, no Fabregas, no Sterling.

    Please note that what I am writing about here is the shape of a squad, not the personnel. Obviously bringing the right players in and out of your team at the right time is also very important (form, fixtures, who looks like improving and who is going off the boil). But that's another matter. This is just about the shape of the squad.

    As a footnote to the article, really what I am saying is that no player is essential although having 2 or 3 good captain options IS essential (assessed purely on points scored, not value). After that it has to be value, value, value all the way.

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 11 months ago

      Another interesting post, but I'm not sure that those three big captain options mean the rest of the squad must be based on value only after picking those three.

      Most will have about 70m left to spend on the remaining 12 spots. If you insert your pick of the top value players into three def spots and two attacker spots (around 17-18m for the defenders, and 11m or so for the attackers), plus ~9m for two keepers and another ~9m or so for you fifth defender and eighth attacker bench spots. That leaves ~23m for three spots (one def, two attackers) only two of which will play.

      At this point, I think you have to overspend on lower value, higher upside attackers precisely because there is so much value in cheap defenders. The problem is there is such a paucity of premium talent that is actually performing well, or look to do so in the future, that it feels like any of those worthy of consideration (a total of 8 each at mid and fwd priced at 8.8m or more right now, with only half of them total getting at least 5ppg) are all template.

      But really, the forwards are to blame. Only Aguero and Costa are getting premium returns at that price, with the MUN trio, Sturridge/Balotelli, and Lukaku all relative flops. For me, a punt on Rooney or Sturridge is the best use of your money precisely because of the real and perceived lack of value right now, as their pedigree and centrality to their squads will give you confidence while their expense and poor performance might keep others away.

      Again, liked your post a great deal as it gave me plenty to think about. Cheers.