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Fantasy Premier League – Player List Analysis – Mid-Price Midfielders

This evening brings part six of our ongoing analysis of the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) Player List. Having previously rolled out articles on Goalkeepers, Budget, Mid-Price and Premium Defenders, we brought you the lowdown on Budget Midfielders yesterday evening. This time, we move up a bracket and cast an eye over what’s on offer from the mid-price midfielders.

Mikel Arteta will be hoping to benefit from the Bonus Points System introduced by the FPL this term, with his all-round contribution seemingly favoured by the new scoring metric. With spot-kicks also in his locker, the Spaniard is favourably priced at just 7.0 but is likely to be overlooked for the more explosive options elsewhere in the Gunners midfield. Jack Wilshere also has the potential to be a bargain. Coming in at 6.5, he’d be a steal if he is handed the role in “the hole” at the expense of Tomas Rosicky, though Wilshere’s versatility may see him drop deeper alongside Arteta in the double-pivot. Much also depends on his game time, with Arsene Wenger perhaps keen to court caution over his ongoing ankle problem, while his manager’s movements in the summer transfer market may afford us a clue as to where Wilshere will be fielded next time out.

There are a handful of options in the mid-price bracket at Chelsea but a lack of guaranteed minutes makes any of the more attack-minded alternatives no more than a punt. While Ramires looks a relatively secure starter at 6.5, there are far better Stamford Bridge alternatives in the premium bracket to consider than the Brazilian. Similarly, Marco Van Ginkel (6.0), Victor Moses (6.5) and Kevin de Bruyne (7.0) would all have the potential to flourish as first-team options elsewhere but are up against it in their attempt to nail down a regular role – giving them an initial wide berth looks the safest option here until we get a firm idea of Jose Mourinho’s plans.

Kevin Mirallas looks the likeliest Everton midfielder to benefit from Roberto Martinez’s arrival on Merseyside. If, as anticipated, the new man in charge opts for a 3-4-3, the Belgian should line up on the right of the front three, affording us a real out of position prospect over the season ahead. While Steven Pienaar should be handed the role on the left, Mirallas’ eye for goal is clearly superior and more than atones for the fact he comes in at 7.5 to the South African’s 7.0 – he scored six times in 23 starts last term compared to Pienaar’s six goals in 35 starts. Providing he remains injury-free, then, Mirallas seems the most enticing option from the blue half of Merseyside, with Leon Osman (6.5) likely to be fielded in a central midfield berth under the new man in charge.

Damien Duff is the most secure option on the Fulham flanks, though the winger is subsequently the most expensive at 6.0. Duff chipped in with three goals and seven assists in 2012/13 but if any of the Cottagers cheaper alternatives can cement a role out wide, he is likely to be overlooked. Indeed, with Dimitar Berbatov priced at just 7.5 up top, it’s more than likely that the Bulgarian will be the main recipient of Fulham attention in 2013/14, having notched 15 times last time out.

The arrival of Iago Aspas and Luis Alberto looks to have put paid to Stewart Downing’s consistency of starts at Liverpool. Both Downing and Alberto come in at 6.0 but with Aspas and Philippe Coutinho expected to be handed the wide roles, neither of the former two look legitimate options and seem highly unlikely to cement regular roles. Similarly, Jordan Henderson (6.0) forced his way into the first XI as the previous campaign unfolded but should fall down the pecking order in light of new summer acquisitions, with Rodgers still likely to spend big money on a replacement for the role in “the hole”, having missed out on Henrikh Mkhitaryan earlier this summer.

Man United’s failure to present us with a viable midfield option last season has seen many of their assets take a real tumble in price. Nani, Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young all come in at a mere 7.5 after producing a measly two goals between them across the entirety of 2012/13. The wing roles are up for grabs under David Moyes, then, and with new boy Wilfried Zaha (6.5) also throwing his hat into the ring, Fantasy managers will be keenly assessing the pre-season situation, with the potential of real value should Moyes help his wide wen rediscover the form of seasons gone by. While Michael Carrick (6.0) may benefit from the new Bonus Points System and is the more secure starter, there are better attacking options available elsewhere for those shopping on a similar budget.

Hatem Ben Arfa is the most enticing of a trio of Frenchman plying their trade at Newcastle. While Yohan Cabaye (6.5) and Moussa Sissoko (6.0) are cheaper than the 7.0 priced winger, both should be fielded in a more withdrawn position, with Ben Arfa likely to be handed a place on the right of a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Granted, Cabaye does have a share of set-pieces and corners to fall back on but Ben Arfa’s more advanced role is the most appealing – providing he can steer clear of injury, of course. With home games against West Ha, Fulham and Hull in addition to trip to Villa in the first five, the opening schedule looks kind for the Magpies – Sissoko will be hoping Alan Pardew grants his recent request to be moved back into “the hole” behind a lone forward, though.

Robert Snodgrass is the standout option at Carrow Road. Despite finishing in the top 10 midfielders in his debut Premier League season last time out, the former Leeds man remains firmly in the mid-price bracket, with a cost of just 6.5 looking a real bargain. Snodgrass is cheaper than new forward Ricky Van Wolfswinkel (7.0) for the Canaries and has three strong home games (EVE, SOT, AVL) and a trip to Hull in his first five fixtures. Both Adam Lallana and Gaston Ramirez will set you back 6.0 after average seasons in 2012/13. While Lallana is boosted by a share of set-pieces and corners, Ramirez will be desperate to show his true class after managing just five goals and four assists in his first year in the Premier League – the Uruguayan may face competition for our attention at St Mary’s, though, with Jay Rodriguez similarly priced up front and already in top form over pre-season. Mauricio Pochettino’s side have seven very favourable home games (SUN, WHM, CPL, SWA, FUL, HUL, AVL) to further the appeal of their main protagonists.

Mark Hughes’ arrival at Stoke could be set to reinvigorate Charlie Adam’s Fantasy potential. The Scot started just 22 times under Tony Pulis in 2012/13 but is set to be installed at the heart of the new manager’s midfield – at 6.0, with a monopoly on set-pieces and corners, Adam’s creativity will be key for the Potters next time out. Jon Walters is a little more expensive at 6.5, though it remains to be seen just how Hughes views the Republic of Ireland international. The new man in charge is looking for a more attacking brand of football and may well opt for a more natural striker alongside Peter Crouch up top as he attempts to improve on a record that saw Stoke score just 34 times in Pulis’ final season in charge.

Paolo Di Canio’s squad overhaul places question marks against the Sunderland starting XI over the season ahead. Certainly, new boy Emanuele Giaccherini (7.0) looks set for a regular role for the Black Cats, possibly on the left flank, though if Stephane Sessegnon’s rumoured move away from Wearside comes to fruition, the similarly priced Adam Johnson seems a safe bet on the opposite wing. Johnson finished just one point behind David Silva last season and was Sunderland’s top scorer on 146 points – while his price seems favourable, a dire run of home games, which sees Arsenal, Liverpool, United, City, Chelsea and Spurs arrive at the Stadium of Light between Gameweeks 4 and 15, may deter many until the schedule smiles that little bit kinder.

Swansea duo Pablo Hernandez and Jonathan de Guzman have both been handed 6.0 price tags after producing 110 and 127 points last time out. The main issue is the number of midfield options now available to Michael Laudrup, though; we can expect Michu to play the vast majority of matches in “the hole”, leaving four spots available for 10 players to fight for – Hernandez and de Guzman could suffer if Laudrup rolls out a rest and rotation policy, with Europa League duties also to consider this time out.

Tottenham’s formation under Andre Villas-Boas will be key as to how we assess new boy Paulinho. Many reckon a shift from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 is on the cards, with the Brazilian taking up the most advanced role and Gareth Bale moving to the flank – if such as scenario transpires, Paulinho may prove a contender for our attentions at just 7.0. Elsewhere in the Spurs midfield, Clint Dempsey and Aaron Lennon, at 7.5 apiece, will be hoping to nail down a role on the flank if Villas-Boas moves to 4-3-3 – with Sandro and Mousa Dembele likely to join Paulinho in the centre and Bale taking up one of the flank roles, it leaves a vacancy on the opposite flank ahead of an eye-catching opening run of matches.

James Morrison comes in at 6.0 after racking up 133 points in 2012/13 – second only to Romelu Lukaku for West Brom. The Scot’s role in the hole helped him rack up five goals and eight assists in Steve Clarke’s first season at the Hawthorns helm – three decent home games in the first five (SOT, SWA, SUN) suggests he could be quick out the blocks but with new boy Nicolas Anelka costing just 5.5 up top, many may opt for the more budget-friendly Frenchman instead.

Finally, West Ham’s Kevin Nolan will take up 7.0 of your budget this season after delivering 149 points in the previous campaign. Nolan’s appeal is heightened by a superb opening six Gameweeks (CAR, new, STO, sou, EVE, hul), though with his sidekick Andy Carroll possibly set to miss the start of the season with a heel problem, Nolan’s eye for goal may not quite be so in focus. If he can continue from the form that saw him rattle a hat-trick past Reading on the final day of 2012/13, Nolan has the potential for an early-season bandwagon.

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  1. Gizmo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    No City or Everton cover...

    A) Nastasic and Mirallas

    B) Collins and Silva

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    1. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      a if nastasic is a starter

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  2. FridayNightFail
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Hello there. I'm wondering if anybody could please tell me what they think of my team. I'm leaning towards leaving RvP out because of his massive cost, it might be a mistake, I don't know...

    GK: McGregor/Speroni
    DEFs: Shaw / Mertesaker / Parr / Collins / Chester
    MIDs: Bale of course / Walcott/ Hazard / Snodgrass / Coutinho
    FWs: Sturridge / Rodriguez / van Wolfswinkel

    Wondering if I should downgrade one of my midfielders, like Coutinho, to splurge on a flashier forward...

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    1. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      You need to bench one of those front 8 so downgrade Rod or RVW and upgrade the other. Keepers rotate perfect but will get about 5 cleans between them so upgrade there too.

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      1. FridayNightFail
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Ah, you're right, thanks!

        Keeps is kind of intentional. I want to spend as little as possible on keepers and defenders. Mertesacker is my 'luxury' option! 😀

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        1. Podge
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Boruc Foster is only .5 more and rotates beautifully up to wildcard

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    2. King Eric, in America
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Not sure about your GKers and I would suggest - though others would say different - that you do as you suggest in order to get another 'premium' forward.

      But team construction is a personal philosophy-thing ... I have RVP and a stronger defense with a weaker MF ... so you'll need to decide what style you'd like to play and go with that.

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      1. FridayNightFail
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah, like I said I usually pick cheap defenders... and try to pack the positions where goals are more likely.

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    3. Tiki-Taka
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Not bad mate, personally I'd have one of RVP/Aguero cos I like having a big striker for another big captaincy option with Bale.

      You need to downgrade one of the mids/strikers (depending on if u want 343 or 352) and use the cash to upgrade another. Cos atm you will have too much £££ on the bench, you dont want Snodgrass/Jrod on the bench at 6.5 or 6.0 respectively

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      1. FridayNightFail
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        OK, took out Coutinho, J Rod and RvW. Can someone recommend a midfielder and a forward for a max if 11M?

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    4. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Probably yes, since you might not want to bench any of the front 8 as it stands. You could probably get RVP in without too much trouble by downgrading Coutinho to a benchable mid.

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  3. MountainBeach
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    A) Rvp , 4.0 defender, 4.5 midfielder

    B) Aguero, Coleman, Snodgrass

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  4. the axolotl
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    last year, Robin van Persie became only the third player to win the Premier League Golden Boot award with two clubs. can you name other 2?

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    1. /
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Alan shearer

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      1. the axolotl
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        yup

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    2. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Shearer and Andy Cole?

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      1. GoonerByron
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Probably this i'd have thought?

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    3. King Eric, in America
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Torres?

      ...

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    4. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Anelka? Hasselbaink?

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      1. Sánchez
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Hasselbaink. Good call.

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        1. Konig Luther
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          hasselbaink for leeds

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      2. the axolotl
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        hasselbank yeah. that was the hard one

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        1. Declan-
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Huzzah

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    5. r0nh
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Hasselbaink & Shearer

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  5. ElliotJHP
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Sorry for slight re-post, but last post didn't get response I hoped for.

    Which option do people think is better?

    Option A:
    Mcgregor, O’Shea, Collins, Bellamy, V.Persie,Anelka

    Option B:
    Mignolet, Koscienly, Parr, Silva, Bony, R.Lambert

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    1. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      b i reckon

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    2. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      I probably prefer B of these

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    3. Collar of Cantona
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      B looks a lot more well rounded to me. So long as you have Bale!

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  6. The Machine
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    HI 🙂

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    1. Declan-
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Evening 🙂

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    2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      *Bows down*

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  7. Collar of Cantona
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Foster, Boruc
    Mertesacker, Coleman, Turner (Norwich), Parr, Chester
    Bale, Hazard, Mirallas, Snodgrass, Adam
    Aguero, Sturridge, Rodriguez

    I quite like my latest creation

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    1. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Nice, not feeling the Adam punt but still good.

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  8. Studgie G
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    why did i get 4 downvotes for mentioning baines to utd i don't get it ?

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    1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      I dunt even no m8

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    2. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      http://i.imgur.com/Gq3F2.gif

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    3. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      what the hell why ?

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      1. Optimus.
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        well i gave you +1 but in seems thats only a drop in the ocean now 😯

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        1. Studgie G
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          thanks 🙂

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    4. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      mods need to get their act together this should not be allowed

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      1. Dukes of Hazard
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        The mods are not to blame for that. Some people are obviously very sensitive about baines. He's legendary.

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      2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Mods? It's the police you need in circumstances like this pal.

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    5. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      this is a form of bullying shouldn't be allowed

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      1. King Eric, in America
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        As gently as I can say it: You've made your bed with previous comments on here and - evidently - made a reputation for yourself.

        You'll have to sleep in it until you erase that perception in the community with quality comments.

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  9. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Managed to squeeze my childhood sweetheart, Baines, into my side. We've entered so many FPL seasons together.

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    1. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Ah but how long before you remember you can save 3m by cheating on him with Alcaraz?

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      1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        I've got too much budget though 🙁 Plan is to save a ft and downgrade him (maybe to Alcaraz) in order to upgrade Aguero to RVP for Palace.

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        1. Reedy
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Not a bad problem to have! You know I think that's why I've been beefing up my own defence; once you take RVP out of the equation, it's hard to know where to spend it.

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          1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            Exactly. I'm almost spending it for the sake of spending it. Would have preferred for City and Utd to have each other's fixtures.

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  10. The Machine
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Mid Price You Say
    Better forget it i say
    Mirallas ehm ehm

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    1. The Machine
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Oh wait, i though kevin wasn't considered mid price

      Fail

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  11. r0nh
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Who scored the most Premier League goals in one season?

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    1. The Machine
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Chamakh

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    2. /
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Ronaldo

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    3. /
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Henry

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    4. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Think some geezer hit 34 didn't he? Maybe Cole and Shearer?

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      1. /
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        *googler alert*

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        1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Not at all.

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      2. r0nh
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Cheat!!

        Ronaldo & Drogba have the best goals per games though; 0.91

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        1. r0nh
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          In one season.

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        2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Did not cheat...

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    5. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      philips?

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    6. Brutus619
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Has to be Shearer

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    7. A.T
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Kevin Phillips

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  12. MountainBeach
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Mannone
    Nastasic Coleman Collins
    Bale Hazard Walcott Snodd
    Aguero Sturridge J rod

    Shaw Thomas Baker, 4.0 gk

    Any changes lads?

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    1. MB10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Like it except I wouldn't trust Mannone in goal all season. If you could squeeze out an extra 0.5 for a rotator it would be worth it.

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      1. MountainBeach
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Who should I downgrade?

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        1. MB10
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Maybe Walcott to Silva.
          Then you can transfer Hazard to Walcott in gw2 as his fixtures aren't great plus he has a blank gw3.

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          1. MountainBeach
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            Already got Aguero and Nasty for city coverage though. Maybe michu? Or downgrade coleman to a decent 4.5 def or Snodd to morrison or someone?

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            1. MB10
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 9 months ago

              Walcott to Kagawa maybe
              Then either Foster and Boruc or Migs and 4.0 as the keepers

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  13. MB10
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Quick opinion on this team before I hit the bed.

    Mignolet
    Zabaleta Coleman Collins
    Bale Hazard Snodgrass Pozuelo
    RvP Sturridge Rogriquez

    Davis Brady Shaw Chester

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    1. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Lovely, really.

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    2. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      i reckon sleep on it, and use the next MONTH to finalise your plans

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    3. MountainBeach
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      is poz nailed on

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      1. MB10
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Hopefully, he's having a very good pre-season.

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  14. Cruicky
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Set up team for first 7 GWs:

    Foster, Guzan - H/A rotation for the whole season.
    Zabaleta, Turner, Collins, Clyne, Riether. - Zab plays every week, the others rotate H/A.
    Bale, Hazard, Silva, Brady, Jarvis. - Brady/Jarvis rotate H/A.
    Sturridge, Giroud, Rodriguez.

    Collins/Clyne rotation:
    CAR, SUN, STO, WH, EVE, CP, SWA.

    Turner/Riether rotation:
    EVE, ARS, SOU, WBA, AV, CAR, STO.

    Brady/Jarvis rotation:
    CAR, NOR, STO, CAR, EVE, WH, AV.

    Problem is I have £1M left over. Where should I improve? Thoughts?

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    1. Studgie G
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      get migs as keeper and downgrade guzan

      collins isnt 100 certain

      upgrade jarvis and j rod and you'll have a pretty good team

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    2. A.T
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      A 7 week plan! Good luck with that.

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    3. MB10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Jarvis to Snodgrass

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      1. Cruicky
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        This, done.

        Cheers.

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  15. HellasLEAF
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    hello all, good to be back. I see the game is up and running again.

    one question I have. RVP.

    essential? 14.0??

    anyone going without??

    thoughts...

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    1. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Majority going with just Bale

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    2. Dukes of Hazard
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      On here, most are going without to start. We will see if that will e the case comes gw1.

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  16. MountainBeach
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on morrison?

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    1. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Don't think he will do as well this year

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    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Had him for days, just got rid 🙂

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    3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Amazing hair. Dreamy.

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    4. Sánchez
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Great lyricist, brilliant frontman.

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  17. darragh_1
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    second draft managed to squeeze in both bale and rvp
    mignolet boruc
    mert zabaleta toure collins baker
    bale coutinho mirallas snoddy colback
    j rod anelka rvp

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  18. Cheggers
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    what you reckon?

    Speroni, Marshall
    Luiz, Zabaleta, Alcaraz, Toure, Faye
    Bale, Hazard, Silva, Mirallas, Bellamy
    Cisse, RVW, Rodriguez

    Love it personally... you?

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Cisse has fallen out with Newcastle

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  19. Deo
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Hmmm, what do you think of this team guys?

    Mignolet (5.5)

    Reid (5.0) - Bassong (5.0) - Reither (5.0)

    Bale (12.0) - Hazard (9.5) - Coutinho (9.0) - Walcott (9.5) - Snodgrass (6.5)

    Sturridge (9.0) - Berbatov (7.5)

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    Davis (4.0) - Moore (4.5) - Baker (4.0) - Whittaker (4,0)

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    Nothing left on the Bank. I'm playing for a team without RVP because I'm banking on a flop start by him where his price will fall, and I'll WC him in the team afterwards. Sturridge might go depending on his injury, not sure about Berba, and I believe investing on a good defence isn't worth it.

    Now, the question is all about my midfield. What do you think?

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    1. Cheggers
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      dont like it personally....
      Snodgrass and Coutinho are both overpriced.
      Berbs & Defence i cant agree with

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      1. Deo
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        You think Snod won't reach about the same amount of points as last season? Norwich seem to have a favorable starting fixture list. Who should I go for instead of him? And I personally am a LFC fan, and if we don't sign a good AM, most assists will come through Cou and I believe in him.

        Who else instead of Berbs?

        As for the Defence, I just bought the standard defenders from mid-table teams that don't have a terrible opening. Advice appreciated.

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    2. Hazardous
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      drop coutinho 9mill too much and upgrade reither to mertyy?

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    3. Podge
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Dont need Cout and Studge, do need a better bench.

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    4. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Those three defenders seem overpriced.

      Would rather have Dawson, Mertesaker/Nastasic, Garrido for that outlay. In fact, I do.

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      1. Deo
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks for the advice guys!

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  20. A.T
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Hot topics is good isn't it. First time I've used it lol.

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    1. The Machine
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Hot topic?

      😎

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  21. MountainBeach
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Best mid for 6.0?

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  22. Optimus.
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Trivia..Question Time

    So who has been in someone who's been in Big Brother, but whos Brother has also been in someone his Big Brother has been in?

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    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Is it David Dimbleby?

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    2. Cheggers
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      ryan giggs

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      1. Optimus.
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        *Winner* 😀

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      2. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        +1

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    3. /
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      😯

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    4. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      RG?

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    5. Dukes of Hazard
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      I didn't get all of that but it's got to be giggs.

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    6. 1-1 at Newcastle
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      GIGGSY

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  23. Federico
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    A) Dawson
    B) K. Toure

    Trying to pick one of the above.
    Is Toure expected to be nailed on?

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    1. Torched999
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      B all day long imo but others disagree. Rodgers doesnt favour skrtel (as we saw from last season- dropped for carra) and toure is lining up in all their friendlies. Easy pick for me

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      1. Obi Wan Elokobi
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Still think Liverpool will sign a defender before the start of the season

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      2. Federico
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        But at this point, they haven't.

        Thanks for the info/reminder on Skrtel.

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      3. Jairzinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Eh?? Dawson all day long!

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Neither nailed on go with Coleman

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      1. Federico
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks!

        Not sure who to pick out of Coleman, Mirallas and Kone.

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        1. Obi Wan Elokobi
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          At the moment I'm on both Coleman and Kone but will highly likely change

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  24. Hazardous
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Whats the new bp system keep seeing it in articles?

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  25. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Suarez is now on 1.1% ownership...why ?...just why ?....

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    1. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      auto select

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        I thought it didn't give red flags...

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Why I made that RVP post on the previous page many neutrals not having a clue

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    3. Deo
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Because he won't play the first 5 games?

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  26. FridayNightFail
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Recommendations for a midfielder and forward for less than 11M? J-Rod and someone else? Jarvis maybe? Or someone else than J-Rod and Mirallas?

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  27. Heydudes13
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Do we think Silva can hit the heights to provide good returns and be the sole City attacker in our team?

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      No, but then i have an unhealthy obsession with Aguero as my sole City attacker..

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      1. Heydudes13
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        I may go with Negredo when he's added. Aguero let me down a few times last season, but there's still something left in him for this season I feel

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      2. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        have you considered therapy yet WR ?.....There's a good one on Buncer lane...

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    2. super zlatan
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      I have him. He could explode this season and at 9 mil he is a steal

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      1. Heydudes13
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Why this season? Chance of him playing in the hole under a new system or something?

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  28. The Machine
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Looking at your links, i just realized Not even one of of you has finished in the top 100 more than twice despite playing for 4,5 season

    Hard to believe but true 😕

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    1. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Finished top 100 last season difficult thing to do when 2.6 million people play

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      1. The Machine
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        If you have ability, nothing is difficult.

        Better luck this season

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    2. the axolotl
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      wouldn't say anybody has great nate.

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    3. Optimus.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      i notice you have hidden your link..i know my season average is better than yours

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      1. The Machine
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        I only joined this game last April...

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        1. King Eric, in America
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          So, you have no idea how difficult it is to come in better than the top .001% several years running?

          In a game that depends on predicting a chaotic reality?

          Huh.

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    4. Torched999
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      enjoy the cricket today?

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    5. King Eric, in America
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Where's your link, pray tell?

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  29. club by club bonus point system analysis
    In Tommy We Trust
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Below is a link to an interactive table that shows the effect the change in bonus point system would have had on the previous season bonus points.

    Workings:

    Calculated the total bonus points given to every club.
    Calculated the Team percentage of the above total for each player who received at 1 bonus last season.
    Calculated the total EA PPI number given to all clubs.
    Calculated the total Opta BPS number given to all clubs.
    Calculated the players percentage of the above two categories (EA PPI and Opta BPS.)
    Calculated the difference in bonus allocation based off the two above percentages.

    I would like to point out that there figures can only be used as a guide as they are based on the whole of last season statistics and don’t drill down into each fixture. To go back and recalculate every fixture is far beyond my capabilities. However these figures and conclusions can be treated as trends and do hold true with the data from fantasy.premierleague.com. They go along way to explaining the pricing of certain players we previously thought were over priced and they definitely highlight which players are due to benefit from the change in system.

    So here is the interactive table

    http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/OptaBonusPointSystemEffect/OptaBonusPointSystemEffect?:embed=y&:display_count=no

    Just to point out you can filter the information down using the options on the right hand side.

    Cheers 🙂

    And one last thing, RVP is unaffected. Just saying 😉

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    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      😯 It looks like a Smarties fest..

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus too many circles

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      1. Reedy
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        That's the genius of it; you can filter by the clubs you're interested in.

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Or by price bracket your interested in or player position

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          1. Reedy
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            Even that, just noticed.

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    3. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Interesting to see Bale no much worse off. Thanks

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    4. Reedy
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Tremendous effort Tommy!

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks Reedy 🙂

        Check out Southampton. JRod doesn't fair very well

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        1. Reedy
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Really? Well I've axed him anyway but he might pop up in my next draft so I better check that 😉

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          1. Reedy
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            See what you mean...

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        2. Torched999
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          am i reading it wrong or is walcott badly affected as well?

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            Yep. His problem is that the new system suits a lot of his fellow gunners meaning he is bound to take some sort of hit

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    5. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Are we perhaps over-exaggerating the effect of the new bonus point system? Seems like it doesn't change too much to all of a sudden consider defensive mids and center backs and such

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Exactly. The biggest thing I believe this shows is yes, the bonus system is a lot more fair to all position but not to level where it has swung full circle. Attacking players will still get value for goals

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    6. Elniñorules
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Yayyyyy.

      Bookmarked.

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Enjoy ENR 😉

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    7. Red5
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      I doubt the swings will be anything like as pronounced as that in practice, but I suppose we'll see.

      A column on the game itself showing how BPs would have been awarded last year under the new system would have been really useful. Presumably they have the data to do that.

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        It would be helpful if they did. The swings aren't that big. I actually would expect them to be a bit bigger if a fixture by fixture analysis was done but we are guessing

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    8. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Fantastic job

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks 🙂

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    9. Absinthe 42
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Wonderful stuff Tommy.

      That must have taken a long while, so kudos to you.

      Always tough to do that level of analysis and end up with conclusions that not a lot is different, but it does seem a bit more democratic now.

      I'm working on some uber combinations analysis, hope to have something to post soon.

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers mate. Seems a more balanced system and one us members should be able to predict/abuse 😉

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      2. Absinthe 42
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        And Arteta doesn't benefit on this general analysis. Hmmm.
        But as you say a true match by match would have a more pronounced effect, but it's just not feasible.

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          My reasoning for Arteta is two fold. He had a good season in terms ppi last and his playing partners benefit more from the changes. Clubs who like to play possession football are the biggest winners in all this

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    10. thetinkerman
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers ITWT

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        No problem Tinkerman.

        Should give us some insight into who is bonus system suited.

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    11. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Very interesting, but I wonder whether some of the results might perhaps be a little misleading.

      Compare the case of a General Election where one party wins 50% of the vote in half the constituencies but only 10% in the other half, and another party wins 30% of the vote in every constituency. The first party will get half of its candidates elected, but the second one very few.
      That is of course an extreme example to illustrate my point more clearly than a more realistic one.

      Similarly, players who get much higher BPS scores in their home matches than in their away ones, or much higher BPS scores in easy matches than in difficult ones, might get more real Bonus Points than shown in your table, whereas those who are more consistent might get less.
      Perhaps the spread or standard deviation of each player's BPS scores should be taken into account to compensate for any such anomalies? Is it possible that Bale's big negative swing in your table might be partly due to this effect?

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Afternoon. The above isn't an exact science as I have only been able to take the season view and not drilled down into the results to see if what you say is correct. btw, I believe you are partly correct regarding Bale, however the gap between his PPI index and his Opta BPS is too much to put in down to "bad Luck". That being said, if got 38 bonus points this season, no one will be complaining 😉

        I believe these figures go a long way to explain why two players who were separated by 13 points, have a 2 mil gap between them.

        Treat the figures as trends or a highlighter for players who will suit the bonus system this year rather than the actual numbers that are being produced

        Cheers

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        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Tommy, 38 BPs isn't bad, but not as many as Lampard got in 2008-9, Rooney in 2009-10, RVP in 2011-12 or Bale and RVP in 2012-13. I would still miss the other 12 BPs, as I was intending to make Bale my main captain, so the missing BPs could cost me about 20 points over the season, which is pretty significant. He might still be the best regular captain, but the situation is not as clear-cut now as it might have been. I want my captain to be setting records!

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          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            I wouldn't read too much into this red. I see it very much as you do above, going on averages and not taking account of individual match displays tells us not very little imo.

            I expect both rvp and bale to suffer disproportionately under the new bps fwiw. Rvp ended up 65% down on his last season ppi score and bale 71 (I think both these figures are correct from memory). There are a lot of other players out there who didn't suffer as much.

            What we don't know is whether rvp and bale suffered due to having huge ppi in some of the games where they got three bonus and whether the lesser amount of bps would give the same players 3bps over their colleagues and this post sheds no light on this unfortunately.

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            1. Dino
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 9 months ago

              Not very much*

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    12. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Wow, well done !TWT.

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    13. Caine & Co.
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      cheers itwt! this is great work. however, if i read it correctly it seems that you have used the bonus point spread for clubs last year given by PPI index as the basis of calculating the predicted bonus points that could have been via new bp system. this is where it goes wrong imo.

      for example manu got 7237 PPI and 185 bonus points last year. compare that to swansea 4919 PPI and 100 bonus points. difference in PPI is big and so is the difference in bonus points they got. but the new bps score is manu 2649 vs. swansea 2333. this would suggest that if the bonus was calculated with the new system swansea would have got more than 100 bonus in total and/or manu less than 185 bonus. this is why williams, for example, does only get 1.5 bonus more in your model even though he's the 4th highest bps scorer in the game.

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        Morning

        I have done some club analysis work as well as like you said Swansea see a 17% rise. All the figures are based on the Opta BPS score they got last season. Like I've said, without doing a fixture by fixture re calculation, this is the best I can achieve, hence treating the results as trends rather than fact.

        I believe the Scouts have got a members article in the pipeline that should shed some light on the subject

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    14. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      Tommy. I have found an error - no Yoshida at Saints ...

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      1. In Tommy We Trust
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 9 months ago

        did he get a bonus point last season?

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        1. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 9 months ago

          Nope.

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          1. In Tommy We Trust
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 9 months ago

            Thanks GW. That's why he isn't on the list

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    15. justinvz
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 9 months ago

      is the link working for anyone else?
      dead link for me (chrome/mac)

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  30. Reckoner.
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 9 months ago

    Mignolet
    Koscielny | Coleman | Clyne
    Bale | Walcott | Hazard | Mirallas | Snodgrass
    Sturridge | Bony

    Boruc | Gayle | Parr | Chester

    Thinking of downgrading Boruc to a 4.0 and possibly Gayle to a 4.5 to upgrade one of Parr/Chester to a 5.0 like Williams/Bassong/Santon.

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