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Scout Report – Shinji Okazaki

Leicester made their third foray into the summer transfer market last Friday by acquiring Mainz striker Shinji Okazaki on a four-year deal, believed to be in the region of £7m.

The Japan international follows Christian Fuchs and Robert Huth to the King Power Stadium and, as assistant manager Steve Walsh revealed, the striker has been a long-term target for the Foxes:

“We have been watching him for the best part of two years and we tried to get him to sign last summer and again in January, but now we have been successful we are really pleased to get him. He is a real talent and the fans will take to him. Not only is he good with the ball but also out of possession he is exactly what we need. He is a high energy player. He is very opportunistic and any mistakes that are made by defenders he will capitalise on that and stick the ball in the net. That is the main asset. Out of possession he knows how to play, he knows positional sense and how to close players down. His work rate is phenomenal.”

Speaking on the move, Okazaki praised the Foxes for their late-season revival while insisting he’s prepared to face the unique challenges of England’s top flight:

“I will do my best to show how I can play and try to make a lot of goals for the supporter. I watched every match [last season] in the Premier League; not all of them are easy. There were hard games. In the last few games the crowd were great and the players responded. It was an amazing result at the end of the season. It’s a huge challenge to come here to the Premier League but I hope I can show everyone what I can do.”

The History

Okazaki started his club career at J-League outfit Shimizu S-Pulse, where he signed a professional contract in 2005. The frontman went on to tally 121 league appearances for the first division side, with his final two campaigns harvesting 27 goals and eight assists.

In response to Okazaki’s impressive scoring rate, Stuttgart snapped him up in January 2011. In his first full season with Die Roten (The Reds), Okazaki established himself as a regular starter and notched seven goals in 27 league outings. The next term, however, saw him limited to a bit-part role, as Okazaki produced a solitary goal and zero assists across 25 outings, clocking just 1,013 minutes in the process.

Despite this poor form, Mainz sealed Okazaki’s signature in the summer of 2013. His debut season was a resounding success under the stewardship of Thomas Tuchel, serving up 15 goals and one assist in 33 league appearances. His second campaign was similarly productive, with 12 goals and six assists in 32 appearances, making Okazaki the highest-scoring Japanese player to ever grace the league.

On the international front, Okazaki earned his first senior cap for Japan in October 2008, having competed for the under-23 team during the Beijing Olympics. More recently, he netted for Samurai Blue during the group stages of the 2014 World Cup and the 2015 Asian Cup. With 43 goals to his name in 93 appearances, Okazaki is Japan’s third-top scorer and their sixth-most capped player of all time.

The Prospects

It’s fair to say that Tuesday’s surprise dismissal of Nigel Pearson leaves plenty of uncertainty surrounding the Foxes right now. Leicester’s late surge to safety was based on a successful 3-4-1-2 formation, with Leonardo Ulloa and Jamie Vardy supported by Riyad Mahrez; yet with wing-back systems somewhat of a rarity in England’s top-flight, a change of tactics may well be on the cards once a new boss is appointed.

Given that the likes of David Nugent and Andrej Kramaric are also vying with Ulloa and Vardy for the striker positions, Okazaki’s versatility could boost his prospects of pitch time.

The striker is adaptable enough to also play on the flank and in a central support berth, though his record in Germany indicates he’s best utilised through the middle. In all but three of his 65 appearances at Mainz, Okazaki was fielded as a centre-forward (usually in a 4-3-2-1 set-up), which paid dividends with regards to his attacking returns (27 goals, seven assists) over the past two Bundesliga seasons. Tasked with a variety of roles (support striker, left and right winger) in his final term at Stuttgart – and only afforded four starts as their frontman – Okazaki served up a single goal.

Certainly, standing five foot eight inches tall, the Japan international is no like-for-like replacement for Ulloa, who contested more aerial duels than any other forward in the Premier League last term and may well remain the Foxes’ main target man.

In terms of how he stacks up against Leicester’s current forward contingent, Okazaki’s average of 48 minutes per shot last season is near-identical to Vardy (49.1) and ahead of Ulloa’s 51.1, whilst his shot conversion rate of 20.3%, whilst just behind Ulloa (22.4%), was far superior to the likes of Nugent (12.2%), Vardy (10.4%) and Kramaric (8.7%). Such statistics suggest that he’ll be lined up for a central berth, then, as the Foxes look to improve upon last term’s 46-goal haul.

By virtue of Leicester’s excellent start to the new campaign (SUN, why, TOT, bou, AVL, sto), Okazaki – if priced at 6.0 or below – could emerge as a profitable third striker should he be afforded a run of starts from the outset.

Given the wealth of competition for places in Leicester’s forward line, though, it remains to be seen whether he’ll emerge as a viable option for Fantasy managers or, like Kramaric, struggle to adapt to his new surrounds and rely on minutes off the bench.

Pre-season should hopefully shed more light on his prospects for the campaign ahead as the Foxes look to regroup in light of Pearson’s dramatic departure.

Future Reference

Shinji Okazaki Wikipedia Page

Shinji Okazaki Transfer Markt Page

Shinji Okazaki YouTube highlights

928 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Long Juan Silva
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    So when did the Milan clubs become wealthy again? They're attracting and signing some big names for clubs not playing Champions League football?

    1. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      When they were bought by new richer owners who have some dirty money to launder.

      1. Long Juan Silva
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Serie A should be interesting this year.
        Juve are still top dogs but Roma are a good team, Lazio had a good season last time out, Napoli still have some decent players and the Milan clubs are making some good signings.

        1. Camp No No
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Napoli has a new better manager too. Looking exciting for the new season.

  2. @FPLMason
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Lads... Just checked the updated 2015-2016 player list.
    What do you make of this?
    Sanchez http://m.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/playerprofile.html/alexis-sanchez
    Walcott http://m.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/playerprofile.html/theo-walcott
    They are listed as FORWARDS.

    1. Jimbo123
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Raheem Sterling is as well...!

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I like this. Very attacking midfielders becoming forward means more forward options and more diversity in teams.

        1. Wilshere Knowledge
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Strikers playing on the wing aren't good options, do it reduces the pool of players to choose from.

          1. Tommytour
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Especially as they will be priced highly

            1. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              But less high than if they were midfielders.

          2. Long Juan Silva
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            This. And there's only 3 forward spots to 5 midfield. Changing attacking mids / wingers to forwards only lessens the diversity of picks.

            1. Camp No No
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Exactly because there are only 3 forward spots you would have to make more choices between the most valued assets and therefore there would be more diversity. As it stands, everybody and his dog ends up having about the same front three.

          3. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            They're definitely still options, it doesn't make the pool smaller but only allows you pick less of the best assets.

            1. Wilshere Knowledge
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Who is going to buy the likes of Alexis, Mirallas, Sterling, Depay etc ig they're strikers?

              Just price advanced mids correctly I say.

              1. Jimbo123
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                This!

              2. Camp No No
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Sanchez scored 16 + 8. When Giroud scored 16+9 the season before, he ended up being listed at 8.5 price. Would it be unthinkable to have Sanchez for 8.5 if he was listed as a forward? With forwards goal points and no CS points he would still have been 6th best scorer of the league this season.

                1. Wilshere Knowledge
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  So the very best premium mids become mid-price strikers, and lesser mids become total non-options. You increase the amount of forwards slightly, and lose loads of midfielders.

                  All to have more strikers, which you dont need. Man U and Pool basically had no striker options last year, and still there were plenty of options.

                  There arent enough premium options as it is...

                  1. pokern1nja09
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    I think I'd be a lot happier to get Sanchez as a mid-price striker than a premium mid. Especially as he'd be easier to bring in after he misses the first couple of weeks.

                  2. Camp No No
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    You absolutely don't get it. You say it out loud but don't understand that it creates diversity.

                    Yes, you don't need more forwards. Yes, there's not enough premium options. Both exactly reflect that we can have about all the premium options. Putting the wide forwards to forward list instead of the midfield list would force us not to have all of them, we would have to make choices between the premium forward options, because there would be more of them than we can have - more than we need indeed. That would bring the diversity, in the first place.

                    Secondly, the midfield choices would become more imaginative as the obvious premiums would be dropped. You indeed do lose some of the premium midfielders, but as you still have 5 midfield places and actually have more money to invest in midfield and defence if you choose to go with wide forwards (Sanchez, Depay, Sterling) instead of premium CF's (Aguero, Studge, Costa), the lesser midfielders obviously become options that they are not now. Now that the midfield is filled with guys playing actually as forwards, the mid-priced midfielders rarely are options. Without so many premiums, you would have to look at these guys too, and it would be harder to tell who of them will score.

                    This would not be what you want if you think only of your individual needs when you try to build the team you want. But when that applies to everybody, it makes the game more interesting. There would be more hard choices to be made.

                    1. Wilshere Knowledge
                      • 10 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      More strikers doesnt mean more options. You take away premiums in midfield, you dont need budget wingers up front. You create a game where you dont have to make compromises, you can just have all the best players. You are reducing the pool of players.

                      1. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        More high scoring strikers means more options that you _cannot_ have. That means you genuinely have to make choices between players, regardless of how much team value you have. You just can't have Depay, Aguero, Sanchez and Costa in the same team.

                        The pool of players is not reduced, you just can't have all that you want from there.

                      2. Wilshere Knowledge
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Depay and Sanchez will score the same as budget strikers as forwards! They wouldnt be options!!! 10 goals is good for a midfielder, but rubbish for a striker.

                        Sanchez wouldnt be close to vompeting with Aguero/Costa.

                        Players like Sterling who are options as midfielder are not as strikers.

                        You'd have the same front lines as you fo now, with less midfielders.

                        It would be like making attacking full backs midfirlders to increase midfielders.

                      3. dribbler
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        "The pool of players is not reduced, you just can't have all that you want from there"...if they wanted this to happen in the game they could just increase prices

                      4. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        As said, Sanchez would have been 3rd highest scoring forward this season. Many had Giroud this season. Why wouldn't they have had Sanchez for the same price? We would have different front lines, could have a Sanchez instead of Gomis. You would not maybe, but many would.

                      5. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Very different effect. Moving them to forward list would force you to make choice regardless of how much money you have. Increasing their prices would just make them a no go area for first part of the season and elite assets for the second.

                      6. Long Juan Silva
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        The guy just doesn't know a lost argument. Don't bother wasting your time, Wilshere Knowledge has already explained it perfectly.

                      7. Wilshere Knowledge
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Scores fewer than Kane, Austin, vouple more than Berahino and Giroud, and that's the very best in a very good season.

                        Sanchez would be an okay option, but not much better than other strikers, and there eoyld be 20 wingers who become non/options.

                        If you want teams diversified, you need it to be difficult to get the best options in the same team.

                        If you take away options of lesser mids, and take away better mid options, everyone will always be able to have the best performing options at all times.

                      8. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        lol@longjuansilva

                        Still butt hurt from the last time it seems. 😆 If you don't have any arguments, don't bother to join a debate.

                      9. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        There's no debate about diversity WK: this would force everybody to choose between prime assets, losing some, so it would bring diversity, if only in a way that you don't like. Look at the 10 top scorers this season: 2 DEF, 5 MID, 3 FWD. You could have had all of them. Make Sanchez a FWD, and you have to drop either him or Austin. Sanchez would have outscored both Austin and Costa as a forward.

                        You may not have had him for 8.5, but many would have happily taken him instead of Austin and taken a cheaper option on midfield, or instead of Costa and had a better defence, or so. You may disagree about what is the best strategy, but this is exactly the point: you have to pick your strategy. You would not touch Sanchez, Sterling (for 7.0 I reckon) and others, but stick to Costa and Aguero. Many would have them instead. Now everybody has both the CF's and the wide forwards as they are listed on midfield. You don't have to make that choice.

                      10. Camp No No
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Good night now, WK, we have made our points clear and have to agree to disagree.

                    2. dribbler
                      • 14 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      this is just not going to happen...cleverly is still listed as man utd...those positions are nothing to do with the fpl game

                      you think fpl are going to list loads of attacking players as forwards so the casuals have to pick mediocre midfielders they've never heard of?...no chance

        2. @FPLMason
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Hazard remains a midfielder tho.

          1. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            And so he should. But he should also be very highly priced as the top scorer.

    2. Tommytour
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      How do you know they are updated?

      Did you check also mid season? Or just see on previous page?

      1. @FPLMason
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I pressed on this link http://m.premierleague.com/en-gb/players.html and they've written 2015-2016 on top

        1. Tommytour
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Don't want Sanchez as a striker and don't think he deserves to be.

          Walcott I can understand and makes life easier.

      2. Konig Luther
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        didn't we have this conversation here in last month??.. i think someone posted the updated teams here and someone said they were listed as forwards last year too

        1. jerseyboy
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          This. I'm not sure this reflects the FPL positions does it?

    3. Jay10
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      The list doesn't have the Ox..while Miyaichi has left Arsenal still he's there.

      1. Jimbo123
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Ox is there. Search his name

      2. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season Le…
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        The Ox is down as a midfielder .....
        Just use the SEARCH option to find any unlisted ☺

    4. Demí
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I don't think that page is at all in correlation with FPL

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Boo.. Should have let it run for a bit

      2. Long Juan Silva
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        That settles my Q then.

    5. Long Juan Silva
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Is it updated or were they always like this? Who looks at these profiles anyway, they're not the same as the FPL ones?

    6. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Knockaert left 1 month ago, he's still on the list.

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Where did he go?

        1. Wild Rover
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Hibs 😉

        2. Egg noodle
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Some Belgian football club Standard Liege

          1. Camp No No
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            "Some Belgian football club".

            Have a little respect, it's a good team.

            1. Long Juan Silva
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Maaaaaaaaaaaate calm down 🙄

            2. Egg noodle
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              If all I know about it is the name and nationality, it qualifies as just another random club to me. Whats it got to do with respect? I don't care much about some random club that I've got nothing to do with.

    7. HurriKane
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jeffrey Schlupp classified as midfeilder. there goes his Oop prospects

  3. Wild Rover
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Get a grip 😀

    The Duke added: "They've inspired thousands of girls and boys around the country and entered history as one of England's great teams. I wish them the best of luck for their game on Saturday."

  4. djenzio
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    what's the story with Berardi? looked great in u21s and is a beast in FM.

    he could be a signing for Liverpool but haven't seen much mention of him as a prospect.

    1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      They wouldn't stand a chance in signing him.

      1. djenzio
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        how come?

        has there been interest in him from any other PL clubs?

    2. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      i think everytime i've seen him play he's got booked

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Never stopped me getting Silva or Costa 🙂

      2. Konig Luther
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I assume you didn't watch u21 tournament?

      3. djenzio
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        he was great in the u21s

  5. Now I'm Panicking
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    QUIZ

    Can you name the 9 players that have played in the PL whose surname is not Johnson with the initials JJ? None of those on the list are super-obscure I think.

    Good luck - and NO CHEATING

    1. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Right answer: No I can't.

    2. Saniul
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jermaine Jones.

    3. Demí
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jermaine jones
      jermaine jenas

    4. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Joey Jones

    5. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      jermaine jenas
      jonathan johanson

    6. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      jemba jemba

      1. dribbler
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        lol

    7. Demí
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      jay jay okocha

    8. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      JuuuuJuuuuu

    9. Saniul
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jussi jaaskelainen
      jermaine jenas
      john jensen
      julian joachim
      jonathan johansson

      that's all i can without cheating. 😛

      1. Saniul
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        and jonathan johansson

      2. applebonkers
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        joachim! jesus that's gold

    10. Chenku╰☆╮
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jonny Jonny..

    11. HurriKane
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      jayden james

    12. djenzio
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      J.J. Fuchs

    13. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      johnny jackson

    14. McNulty
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jussi Jaaskelainen

    15. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jeffrey Jchlupp.

    16. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Correct so far......

      Jussi Jaaskelainen
      Johnnie Jackson
      Jermaine Jenas
      John Jensen
      Julian Joachim
      Jermaine Jones
      Jonatan Johansson

      Two more to get.......

      1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Josef Jitzl
        Jabba the Jutt

      2. Konig Luther
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Joel Jobles
        Jorge Jesus

        no idea

    17. MADCHESTER UTD
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Jermaine jackson
      JJ ococha
      Jermaine jefoe
      Julian jicks
      jimmy Floyd jasselbaink
      john jukic
      johnny jevans

      sod this, even with making names up I can only get to 7!

      1. HurriKane
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        jonjo jelvey

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Jarry Jane

          1. HurriKane
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            john jerry

    18. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Joey Jones, Chelsea and Wrexham was it? Or was that too early.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Jussi Jaskelainen (Bolton)
        John Jensen (Charlton)
        Jin Jiang (maybe I made that up)
        Jonatan Johanssen (Charlton)
        Joe Jordan (maybe to early too) (Leeds)

        1. Now I'm Panicking
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Jones and Jordan a bit early 🙁

        2. applebonkers
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          pretty sure jordan was in his 60s when him and gattuso went head to head

    19. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Ok - cryptic clues:

      1) Technicoloured employment hunter
      2) Glass container filled with vomit

      1. Demí
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        2) jiri jarosik

        1. Camp No No
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Damn, I almost got it.

      2. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Jiri Jarosik

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Joseph-Desire Job

      3. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        2) Jar Jarofpuke

      4. Rum Ham
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Jarov Jizz

      5. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Josephs Jobseeker

    20. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Yep - well done all

      Jussi Jaaskelainen
      Johnnie Jackson
      Jiri Jarosik
      Jermaine Jenas
      John Jensen
      Julian Joachim
      Joseph-Desire Job
      Jermaine Jones
      Jonatan Johansson

      1. dribbler
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        good question

  6. Hammers Select
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    If he stays fit Adam Matthews could be a very good defender for points this yr, loves to attack similar to PVA.

    1. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not exactly had much to defend though has he? 😛

    2. Long Juan Silva
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Has he moved?

      1. Hammers Select
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Off to Sunderland

        1. Long Juan Silva
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Oh right. Agree he could be a decent option then.

    3. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      rather stick with pva

      1. Wild Rover
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Tacky

      2. Hammers Select
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Play opposite sides, would expect sunderland to play 3-5-2 next yr with pva and matthews as wing backs

  7. MADCHESTER UTD
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    given that according to a recent post by someone, 3-5-2 seems to be the top point scoring formation, would it be stupid to have the cheapest forward you can get, even if he never plays but then have 2 big hitters up front, 5 top class midfielders, and 3 decent defenders and a cheapish starting GK? basically have the cheapest 4 subs possible in goal, 2 defence and striker. if subs don't ever score points for you, then why have that money on the bench?

    1. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I'm a huge fan of 3-4-3. 3-5-2 seems expensive.

    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      3-4-3 has always been the best. You have a better chance of captain success with a striker too. Just picking two top strikers is not easy either, you know it will be one of the others that hurts you.

    3. Long Juan Silva
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This debate happens multiple time every season. 343 is always the winner in the long run and should be the go-to.

    4. buffrey
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Plus the cheapest forward will be the same as the cheapest mid so just get a forward instead of one of those costly kids your talking about.

      Of course 3-5-2 could have merit but 3-4-3 the go to for a reason.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Honestly I think it's the go to because almost everyone plays that way and other ways to play haven't been widely tested by good FPL managers (apart from 3-5-2 maybe).

        I intend to set up my squad for 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 next season. 4-4-2 if there is a starting striker available at 4.5 but I doubt it. So probably 4-3-3 as long as I can find 2 worthwhile starting mids at 4.5 - but that should be possible.

    5. Is 3-5-2 better than 3-4-3?
      SADIO SANÉ
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I personally think it's a good idea.

      The 'Overall Dream Team' last season was in a 3-4-3 formation (only just, Austin beat Cazorla by 8 points), but the 'Dream Team' for each GW had a 3-5-2 formation 16 times and 3-4-3 just 8 times.

      Of the players to score 150+ there were 2 GK (avg.price 4.75m), 2 DEF (avg.price 6.75m), 11 MID (avg.price 7.91m), 4 FWD (avg.price 8.38m). More midfielders scored 150+ and they were cheaper on average than the forwards (even with Kane starting at 5.0).

      Of the players to score 160+ there were 9 MID & 3 FWD. So there were 3 times more midfielders than forwards who scored 160+. 3-5-2 > 3-4-3?

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Great post!

        Not the point you're making but depending on pricing, I'm toying with the idea of playing 4 defenders due to BAPS awarded.

      2. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Very good that. Deserves it's own post and a sticky.

        1. d1sable
          • Has Moderation Rights
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Done!

          1. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            The Hot Topic should be Madchester United's post, not ¥€$'s.

        2. SADIO SANÉ
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Thanks Dr, got great responses from Ruth_NZ, Zan Keroski and GreenWindmill amongst others. A lot of players stick with 3-4-3 but it's definitely worth considering other formations and keeping it flexible, obviously depending on players/value/form/fixtures as usual.

      3. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        The Overall Dream Team was not affordable unless you had an extremely high TV.

        But if you want to compare the Dream 3-4-3 starting eleven with the Dream 3-5-2 starting eleven irrespective of cost then you should compare the 3rd forward with the 5th midfielder Would you rather have had Austin (176 points for an initial price of 6.0m) or Henderson (162 points, also starting at 6.0m)?

        And for the 4.5m bencher amongst your front 8, would you rather have had midfielder Boyd (110) or forward Barnes (88)?

        The Dream Team of the Week contains different players each time, so you can't get it without taking a ridiculously large number of hits.

      4. ...or is a 4 man defence better?
        Ruth_NZ
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        This is so misleading. Why does (almost) everyone talk about points scored as if that's the criteria? It isn't. Saying that these players that scored 160+ points were mainly midfielders and forwards avoids the additional fact that they were mostly very expensive. And saying that by having mainly very expensive players you will make the best team is meaningless because you have a limited budget.

        The correct criteria (with one exception) is points per £1m cost, otherwise known as value. We all start with £100m and the team that delivers most points per £1m over the season wins. There are various tactical ways to approach this - building team value, rotating players, making transfers, different squad structures - but the end equation is value.

        The one exception to this is captains. Arguably the criteria for them is pure points because with doubled points they will win on value too if they are any good. So a squad needs 2 or perhaps 3 captain options who are selected for points alone. However for the rest it's value that counts.

        Now, if you look at last season's FPL results on a value basis you will see a host of premium, big hitter defenders scoring high (top 30) on value. I don't have the list in front of me as FPL is down but from memory only a couple of premium midfielders crept in there and no premium strikers, not even Aguero.

        So, if you take a radical approach you will disregard points as your criteria apart from selecting the 2 or 3 players you think will score highest in the game (or over a given period) as your captain options. After that you will select not on points but on points per £1m (value) according to your chosen team structure. For me this means 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 rather than the options generally accepted as the best because I believe (on the basis of analysis) that better value can be achieved that way.

        Now, all I have written above would be fine if transfers didn't exist. But they do. We don't maintain the same squad over the season, in fact very few players will stay there from GW1 to GW38. So we also need to build in some flexibility - in other words select a squad structure that enables fairly easy transitions in and out at various price points. That, and other tactical elements have to moderate the case I am making, But strategically I am in no doubt about it.

        Value is the most important part of the FPL equation and is often "the elephant in the room" when discussions of players and formations happen on this site.

        1. Mull
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Reported. This post is too good. 🙂

        2. Tiamani Warrior
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Ruth did you play 4 at the back last season or is this a new idea? what ranking last season?

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Last season was my first in FPL and I started with little idea how the game worked. I mainly played 3-4-3.

            1. buffrey
              • 11 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I think Ruth is a heavy poster and in the community so if willing why doesn't he test the theory and do a monthly community article (or even mainstream) saying how it's going.

              Obviously if he moves back to 3-4-3 this may be a bit silly but could still work.

              Naturally FFS or Ruth might not want to.

              Also I keep saying Ruth is a he, when he could be a she. Never sure.

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Ruth_NZ is a he. It's a long story.

                I won't tie myself to any doctrine. I plan to start with a team structured for 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 but that only defines where the cheap players will be. So for 4-3-3 (for example) it would be:

                xxx xxx
                xxx xxx xxx 4.5 4.5
                xxx xxx xxx 4.5 4.5
                xxx xxx xxx

                The 2 x 4.5 defenders would be a rotation pair and the 2 x 4.5 mids would be for the bench. Although even then if one of the mids had a great fixture I could bench both defenders and play the midfielder. Either way I end up with £18m on the bench, which is what I want.

                I don't know why 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 should be considered so controversial. It is only one player different to 3-4-3 - basically you are adding a playing defender and losing a playing midfielder or forward.

                I will be pragmatic and won't stick rigidly to my starting system, however. If a great option 6.0 mid emerged I'd be foolish not to adjust. So I'm not sure that a regular article about my team would be that interesting. There are plenty of more experienced FPL managers to do that. 🙂

                1. The Hindu Monkey
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  I like this and believe it could work very well at the start. The problem as always is you have to be flexible. After 15-20 weeks the top performing players aren't always the most expensive and teams adjust accordingly and money is sometimes freed up.

                  For example, at the start of the season you might look at say Henderson at 6m with an average PPG (estimated) of 5, being much better value than Silva at 9m with a PPG of 6.

                  However, come Feb/March, IF you have the cash to spend, you would still go for Silva because he's going to get your more points (in theory).

                  My point being that the longer the season goes on, the less importance value has and the more importance pure points has.

                  1. Ruth_NZ
                    • 9 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Yes. The nearer to the end the more it becomes about short term points rather than long term value. Additionally you have a higher budget to play with by then. Value is still important but less so than in the first half of the season.

                    1. The Hindu Monkey
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      I'm convinced that setting up your team in the first 10 weeks correctly is the difference between getting in the top spots or not. A lot of that is down to luck. I seem to be a brilliant second half of the season player (and not just against the casuals) as I can make my decisions based on actual data rather than trying to guess who is going to start playing well. But I seem to always give myself so much work to do at the start! I've started a season well once in six years and that was the time I got in the top 3k.

        3. Amateur Pundit Zan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          The game is about pts. If you had the team with the best value players then you would not spend all your budget and you would have less pts.

          Clearly it's s balancing act but midfielders and attackers regularly outscore defenders. I'd be surprised if you can't make better use of your floating formation spot up there.

          But I've previously advocated for the scoutcast team to test this formation, I'd love to see how you go because I'm not too arrogant to admit that I might be wrong.

          As triggerlips suggests value is more of an issue early so perhaps it's possible to get an early jump before reverting to a back 3 with more $ to invest upfield.

          1. Ziro Becomes One
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            This.
            It's always a mix of value and points. Maximising value save for captain points is still not correct.
            If value is maximised using up all of the 100 budget it still might not be correct as in a hypothetical situation, lets say the best value players were priced 4.5 and scored 100 points each. But then you have to mix with the 10.0 priced guys who score 200 points.
            In addition, your 2-3 players of high points potential do not cover this situation because barring outliers like Kane last time, the low budget players are not consistent enough to get high points, so inevitably, many more high budget players get into the side.
            So it rather becomes as many of the high-points scoring players as possible with the rest of the spots and budgets filled with the best value players within the budget.

            1. FredtheRed
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              well summed up!

            2. Ruth_NZ
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              @ Ziro - None of this gainsays my underlying point and if I had covered every wrinkle my post would have been even longer. However...

              The pure value strategy is actually not usable. In practise what you are interested in is "predictable value". Any player may score points over a period but the ones I am interested in are the ones I can predict. Otherwise it's just a stick a pin in it and hope approach.

              I can predict that Koscielny (6.0) will deliver good value over a 10-game period if he stays fit. Will there be a 6.0 midfielder that does better over the same period? Probably. Can I predict which one? Not confidently. So I won't play 3-4-3 with, say, Ritchie (6.0) and a 4.5 benched defender when I can play 4-3-3 with Koscielny and a 4.5 benched midfielder. That's the principle.

              Of course this depends on judgement and pricing. If there is a standout, undervalued 6.0 midfielder like Sigurdsson was last season that would change things. Milner at 6.0 (which I don't think he will be) might change things if Liverpool had a run of decent fixtures.

              Either way the underlying fundamental is value. But seeing that you will never achieve perfect value you use the "excess budget" to pay for predictability. Simple really.

              @ Dan - I wouldn't tie myself to 4-4-2/4-3-3 for dogmatic reasons. I'm simply talking about how my initial squad will be structured.

              1. Ryan
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I hear what you're saying Ruth. A player like Ritchie isn't a budget 5th mid but also isn't a reliable start every week 4th mid either. Are you suggesting a somewhat flexible route where you might start Ritchie as a 4th mid in a 343 and when he has an awkward fixture you start your 4th defender instead in a 433?

                1. Ruth_NZ
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  No, I am suggesting having Koscielny and a 4.5 (bench) mid rather than Ritchie and a 4.5 (bench) defender. That's the principle of what I am planning to do anyway.

              2. Ziro Becomes One
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I can see we are converging towards the same point. Fair enough.

                P.S. Love your long posts, some serious thought goes into each of your ones.

        4. The Sarjeant
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Another thing you need to factor in is form. Midfielders go in and out of form. Playing with 4 midfielders means you can include more of these in-form players. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm guessing that an in-form midfielder would out score an in-form defence.

          The same can be said about the forwards. So playing 3-4-3 makes more sense to me, and that is how I'll continue to set my team up.

          Also, talking about the 'value players' in defence, big clubs tend to keep more clean sheets in the second half of the season. So it'd be better to start cheaper and then when you play the January wildcard, bring in defenders from the bigger clubs.

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I'm not expecting, or wanting, others to do the same as me. I just find it bizarre that people discuss points more than value when value (points per £1m) is the measure the game works on. There are numerous tactical wrinkles and modifiers but this fundamental will always stay the same.

            "Big clubs tend to keep more clean sheets in the second half of the season..." This is true neither statistically nor anecdotally, it is just a FFS myth. Here's a fact... last time a Mourinho Chelsea were defending the PL title they kept clean sheets in their first 6 games of the season.

            1. The Sarjeant
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I'm sure I've seen community articles on here proving it statistically.

              Yes, that's a fact. That's a fact from the past. That doesn't mean it'll happen again. It's a different team and different fixtures. The opposition also has different players and different managers.

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Ask Giggs Boson.

                1. Gilles
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  That is exactly what I was looking at 🙂
                  Upvoted article of the month at that time !!

                  1. Gilles
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    Which actually shows big teams don't tend to keep more clean sheets in the second part of the season...

        5. Eze Really?
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I really like that post; probably because I use the same criteria. Just 1 thing; Value with a team at 108 mil against 104 say, will have an affect. So should there be consideration for price increase?
          I know the right choices will result in increased value, but is there not an argument to consider this as the season develops?

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Yes, I did refer to that in my post. There are a number of tactical approaches to how you deliver the most points per £1m and building team value is one of them.

        6. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I agree that value is key but I prefer a different calculation method. Your method assumes a 0,0 starting point for calculations (a fictional player costing nothing and earning no points) but this player isn't an option - we're obliged to fill all of the spots in our squad.

          It's therefore not quite accurate to say we have £100m to spend - assuming we want 15 players that play we actually have approximately £68m of that budget spent for us on base value players so we only have £32m of discretionary spend. It's this £32m that we need to consider using wisely.

          In other words the if cheapest nailed on defender you can have is 4.0m and scores 100 points and Ivanovic costs 7.0m and scores 160 points he's earned 20 points per million for you above base.

          If you can earn a higher VORP points per million by spending that 3m elsewhere then that's what you should do.

          This is the basic principle behind Value Over Replacement Player (VORP)

          Of course, the same caveats apply regarding needing captaincy options, etc.

          Myself and In Tommy We Trust explored this theory a couple of years ago and RodallegaBomb also submitted a community article on it last season. Some links below if you're a sucker for punishment and haven't read enough 🙂 Looking into VORP never changed my playing style much (I have flirted with 4 or 5 at the back for periods in the past but not with any great results) so I'll be very interested to see how your season progresses - would be good to see other formations be competitive.

          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/comment/5097283
          http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2014/08/13/value-over-replacement-player-vorp/

          1. Ziro Becomes One
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            VORP. Great, now I have to keep track of one more variable. Congrats to the mods on keeping me glued to the site.

            1. GreenWindmill
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Haha, VORP isn't an integral part of the site - if you want to keep track of it you'll probably have to do some legwork 🙂

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Thanks, I will come back and read those articles. One comment, however. Ivanovic is predictable. The 4.0 defender probably isn't. Ivan won't lose his place or be rested (much) unless injured. The 4.0 defender is much less predictable.

                As referred to above, perfect value is unattainable. We are after predictable points and predictable value. So it is VORP modified by predictability (and other factors). I don't expect to be able to select the ideal team. But I do aim to select one that can deliver good value (in terms of points) for my budget.

                Judging the balance of these various modifying factors is the mark of how good a manager is. Alternatively you can just go for heavily owned players, follow the captain poll and rely on your better team structure and knowledge of FPL mechanics to put you ahead, as Triggerlips advocates. But that's a cop-out in my view. 🙂

                1. Billy Gilmore
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Yes, of course Ivanovic is more predictable than a 4m defender, but that's part of the reason for the increased price. On the most part the same is true for every position (except probably reverse for GKs). Similarly someone like Silva will be much more predictable than say Puncheon for example.

          2. Billy Gilmore
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Is Tableau being weird for you too? For a while now most of the spreadsheets don't load just return error messages. Like when I was trying to use The3rdTurd's player history one yesterday.

            1. GreenWindmill
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Nope, haven't had any issues, may be local to your device.

              1. Billy Gilmore
                • 11 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I think it's just a chrome issue. Works fine on Safari 😕

                1. GreenWindmill
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Chrome is my default browser - must be that dodgy mac of yours 🙂

                  1. Billy Gilmore
                    • 11 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    The alterations I've made that apple probably didn't want me to do may have something to do with it. 😉

                    Maybe it's a cache issue or something.

                    1. GreenWindmill
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 12 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      You dirty hacker you!

          3. Qubit
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Very much this. 😉

        7. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I think 4 at the back can be a viable plan for the first 10 or so gameweeks of the season. Getting two Chelsea defenders plus Hazard could arguably bring in more points than Hazard, one Che defender and another midfielder in the 6-7.5m category.

          Also value per million it is very likely that 2 Che defenders and Hazard will earn more than Fabregas Hazard and one Che defender.

          From Christmas onwards though time and time again three at the back wins as the quality mids and fwds not only emerge but are also affordable if you played the market correctly in the first half of the season.

        8. Carlos Kickaball
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          By your reasoning why not play 5 at the back? 😉

          Serious point...

          1. J0E
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Because 5 at the back means one striker or even less midfielders. Its taking the twist on formation to an extreme. That's my take on not playing five at the back anyway.

            1. Carlos Kickaball
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              But from Ruth's post..

              "So, if you take a radical approach you will disregard points as your criteria apart from selecting the 2 or 3 players you think will score highest in the game (or over a given period) as your captain options. After that you will select not on points but on points per £1m (value) according to your chosen team structure."

              This should lead to playing 5 at the back, not four.

              1. Ruth_NZ
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                5 at the back seems too inflexible to me. There should be a couple of worthwhile cheap defensive rotations that I'd like to take advantage of, one for my GKs and one for my cheap defender pair. Not to do so would take me away from the principle of achieving value. That's how I figure it anyway.

        9. Rossonero
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I think that one thing is overlooked when speaking of defenders, and that is rotation. It's unfair to say that 7,0 defender outscores all 7,0 mids and that's why he is a must, you need to look at bigger picture. The question is could 7,0 def (lets say Terry), 4,0 def (Lets say Watford def) who never plays and 7,5 mid (lets say Mane or Hendo) outscore two 4,5 defenders with great rotation and a 9,5 mid (lets say Rambo, Fab, Mata etc). I still think that at least for start of the season its better to go with second option, one of the reason beeing that there is a lot of 9,0 - 9,5 mid options that even if you pick the wrong one, you can easy change it. This is just one example, ofcourse it's far more complicated then this.

          1. Carlos Kickaball
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Spot on.

            In reality the choice is more like.

            Play one of 3 say 4.5m, 4.0m, 4.0m defenders, while always playing a 6.0m midfielder.

            OR

            Play 2 of 6.0m + 4.0m + 4.0m defenders, while always benching a 4.5m midfielder.

            Others have commented on extra money invested, and having to spend all your cash, which of course is important, but the real leg up cheap defenders get is being rotated for fixtures.

        10. FantaCity
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Great post.
          I felt that 4-3-3 was the way to go in the 2nd half of last season, but didn't end up playing it nearly enough to test it.
          Reason was, I didn't have the guts to leave 2 midfielders on the bench.

          This season I plan to go light in midfield from the start and thereby force my own hand. I think it will work ... good luck!

        11. Guy Demel's SH
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          For research purposes, I actually created a second FPL team (the horror!) last season with the intention of investing relatively heavily in defence and playing at least 4 at the back at all times. I actually played 5 at the back mostly.

          Predictably I neglected the team from time to time and even had a 10 weeks stretch without making a transfer, however it still ended up finishing somewhere around 70k which I didn't think was too bad at all given the above.

          I'd link the team for you but have forgotten the ID. Is there any way to find out that team's ID now that the site is under maintenance?

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Reported. 😛 😉

            1. Shipstontrev
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Ahem "father in law's team" Cough

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I can introduce you too him, if you like. 😉

                1. Shipstontrev
                  • 14 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  OK, I 've never met a 100 year old man before! 😉

                  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    *92

                  2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    My Mother-in-Law won't have a computer in the house ...

                    1. Shipstontrev
                      • 14 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      OK, fair dos Doos 😉

        12. Jafalad
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          You lot take this game far too seriously.

          It's very simple. Most defenders struggle to average 5ppg; Mids and Fwds > 5 ppg.

          So you keep your defenders to a minimum: i.e. 3.

          3 4 3.

          Now - how easy it that?

      5. Canadian Football
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Playing 3 5 2 is a recipe for leaving points on the bench. You have to get pretty lucky to nail your team selections each week.

      6. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Of the 8 players to score 170+ points last season, there were 3 forwards, 3 midfielders and 2 defenders.

        These 8 were easily affordable if you got them early enough, so you only needed to add a goalkeeper, a 3rd defender and either a 4th defender or a 4th midfielder to get your starting eleven, giving either a 4-3-3 or a 3-4-3 formation.

        The next best midfielders were Cazorla and Fabregas (both too expensive), followed by Henderson, Chadli, Downing and Siggy (all starting for 6.0m or less). These outscored the next best defenders by a significant amount, and the 3rd defender spot could also be effectively covered by rotation, so last season's best formation was 3-4-3, as it is most seasons.

        Forget the other players who scored 150+; they only become relevant if you need to replace some of your 170+ players, and some were too expensive anyway.

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          You are assuming that you could identify that core of 8 players from the start. That's unrealistic, one for example was Kane who barely played in the PL till October. For that reason there is little point in looking at what the ideal would have been, or could be. To my view, what we are looking for (or should be) is the way to deliver predictably good value across our team in terms of points scored.

          Overall points per £1m budget is the measure of how well we do that. Not the points scored by any individual player in our teams.

          1. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Kane and Austin could not have been identified from the start, but they could be picked up later while still at a reasonable price, which meant that it would not break the bank to collect all 8. Most of the other 6 were already known to be high quality players and were in or around the template from an early stage, although very few of us doubled up on both Terry and Ivanovic.

            The starting squad for GW1 would have had to be somewhat different, because we could not possibly have foreseen at that stage that two such successful bargain forwards would emerge, but by the time of the January wildcard there were good indications that this was the best formation. 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 have historically always turned out to be the best formations, but not necessarily right from the start of the season.

            The correct measure is the maximum number of points affordable from your budget, taking account of many factors including captaincy, rotations and auto-subs from your bench, injuries, suspensions and rotations in real life, transfers, price changes, form and consistency, fixtures and double or blank game-weeks.

            You won't get the maximum points by selecting players mainly on their individual value. Value relative to alternatives and making the most of your budget are both more important.

            A team based on value for money individuals will not perform well overall. If you were not allowed to make any changes to your team then you would be hard pressed to beat the Overall Dream Team, if you could afford it.

            Our investigations into the Optimal Dead Team Squad show that for last season it would definitely include all of the 8 highest scoring players, even if there might be other players with more points per £million.

            1. Ruth_NZ
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              The dead team comment (last para) is very interesting, thanks for that info.

              Predictability is what swings it for me. Good premium players carry premium price tags for a reason - their performance is more predictable.

              Of the premium players the defenders justify their price tags best if we exclude captain doubling.

              By playing 4-3-3 I can have 3 premium defenders at the cost of one low/mid price midfielder and the slight downgrade of another premium midfielder (Fabregas instead of Hazard for example). Thus providing better and more predictable value across my team.

              After that I can adjust as better options appear (Kane).

              >>> "You won't get the maximum points by selecting players mainly on their individual value. Value relative to alternatives and making the most of your budget are both more important."

              I never said individual value was the be all and end all. Never even implied it. Making the most of your budget is exactly what I have been talking about actually.

              1. The Sarjeant
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                If you start off with 3 premium defenders, your going to find it very hard to shift funds when you need to. And you will need to.

                1. Ruth_NZ
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Stretching for arguments now are you?

                  Shifting funds is easy. With 2 FTs I can downgrade a defender and upgrade a midfielder if that's what I want to do at that time. With one hit I can downgrade 2 defenders and double upgrade a midfielder if I want to make a radical change.

                  However that's all on the assumption that I need to make any change in structure at all.

    6. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      This should have a sticky too.

      1. Twelve years a slave
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        My view is that 352 works great after xmas but not so well before
        With 100 million budget 343 is the best , but with a 110m then 3 5 2 may be optimal

        To work properly 352 requires more money but it can be very effective, the year i finished 35 went 352 with the power 5 mids and pog of reading (4.4) as the permanently benched striker.
        It was only after xmas that it was really possible

        1. RedLightning
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          The Power Five worked well in 2012-13 because the 6 highest scoring midfielders (Bale, Mata, Cazorla, Walcott, Hazard and Michu) all outscored the 3rd highest scoring forward (Lambert) and because Michu and Fellaini were both available for under 8.0m. Including RVP and Suarez as well though would certainly have stretched the budget.

          3-4-3 was clearly the best in 2014-15, but it is most unusual to have two bargain forwards (Kane and Austin) outscoring all other players apart from Hazard, Aguero, Sanchez, Silva, Ivanovic and Terry.

          In my opinion there is often not a lot to choose between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2, and it may sometimes be profitable to switch between the two.

          It may even be a good idea to start the season with 4 defenders until bargain midfielders or forwards emerge, but 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 is likely to be optimal later on.

        2. The Hindu Monkey
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          this! finally somebody speaks some wisdom - bravo triggerlips. 3-4-3 is always the best starting formation because you need that cheap 5th midfielder to give your squad the best early chance - but things can very quickly evolve.

          I played a 3-5-2 from christmas onwards and rose my rank from 120k to 15k and ended up coming 3rd in my main mini league

          1. Eze Really?
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Absolute same. I had the dosh to make the changes. Sacrificed a few 4 pointers to make sure I had team value the second half. 108.1 at the end allowed me to beat my mini league opponents through greater choice.

          2. RedLightning
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I rose from 219k in GW20 to 39k in GW33 with a 3-4-3 formation and a not particularly high TV, actually outscoring Triggerlips by 813 points to 797 over this period (Simon March, who stuck to 3-4-3 for most of the season, scored 856).

            Unfortunately I then messed up my late wildcard, but my poor finish was not caused by having too low a TV.

        3. KKluigi
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I think we in general think too much about formations. Instead we should think about price structure. The only think I am certain of is that I will have a nailed on player at the lowest price bracket possible. This usually means a 4.0 mill defender, a 4,5 mill midfielder and a 5.0/5.5 mill forward.

          With this setup I can play many different formations without having to make transfers or leaving a lot of cash on the bench, and I can alternate each week based on form or fixtures.

          1. Twelve years a slave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            The good thing with FPL is that all the talk means nothing

            Anyone can talk the talk, but how many can walk the walk?

            1. GREENDREAMS11
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              the ones with the biggest budgets generally

  8. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Pool trying to include players in the Benteke deal to bring down the up front price. Enrique, Lambert and Borini.

    1. djenzio
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      win-win for us. get rid of the trash and get Tekkers

      1. Camp No No
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Which is why it is not happening.

        1. Egg noodle
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Agreed.

        2. internal error
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          One mans trash......

      2. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I still need convincing on Benteke to be honest.

    2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Would you take any of them ? .

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Borini would do alright at Villa. Other 2 have no value imo

        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          How much would he cost though . Sunderland bid what I thought was a mad amount the season before last . I would value him between 7 and 9 mill

          1. goriuanx
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Sunderland bid 14m a season ago. You're right though, 7m seems fair

    3. Camp No No
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      It is you guys dreaming if you think that a less wealthy club will take your very expensive deadwood in exchange for their only star player.

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I agree. I don't see Villa accepting anything less than Benteke's release clause. They don't need to sell.

      2. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Have you seen the dross linked with villa?
        Who do you support btw?

        1. goriuanx
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Borini is about Villa level. Doubt they'd get anyone reasonably good, unfortunately.

          1. internal error
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            A year ago, the likes of lambert enrique and borini would have been seen as players at Villas level. Them hardly playing last season doesnt really change that for me

    4. Egg noodle
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Benteke will be amazing for pool, although as we saw last season - he is quite manager-sensitive. But Brendan's been very succesfully in making Suarez and Sturridge as the on-man-shows, so it should suit Benteke.

      1. goriuanx
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        That's a worry though. BR's relationship with players is abysmal.

        1. Wilshere Knowledge
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Not sure Tekkers can be called sensitive to 'managers', more sensitive to 'manager style'.

  9. goriuanx
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    West Ham are close to signing Alex Song on a permanent.

  10. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Just in. Anything new?

  11. Rum Ham
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    1) Which was the last city to have three club representatives in the Champions League in a single season?

    2) Name five African players to have scored Premier League hattricks.

    3) Which player has represented five London clubs in the Premier League?

    4) Name four players to have played for four different clubs that have won the European Cup/Champions League, but have never won it themselves as a player.

    1. Rum Ham
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      2 should read multiple PL hattricks i.e. more than one.

    2. goriuanx
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      2. Drogba Bony Kalou

      1. Jax
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        that's three.

    3. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1) London?

      2) Mane, Drogba, Eto, Yaya, Adebayor

      3)

      4)

      1. Rum Ham
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        London is right yeah

    4. Black Knights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Eto'o
      Drogba
      Mane
      Kanu
      Kalou

      1. Black Knights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Adebayor, Yeboah, Ba

        1. Black Knights
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yakubu

    5. d1sable
      • Has Moderation Rights
      8 years, 10 months ago

      3 maybe Anelka? hes played so many i cba to work it out

      1. Rum Ham
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Think he's only represented the two London clubs.

    6. Kurtinho
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1. London
      2. Eto'o, Odemwingie, Kalou, Ba, Adebayor
      3. Scott Parker
      4. Ibrahimovic, Cannavaro, Matthaus, Ronaldo

      1. Black Knights
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Best me to Scott Parker. Think that's it.

      2. Kurtinho
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Ok if it's multiple hattricks, then scratch my answers to number 2.

      3. Rum Ham
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Good effort. Scott Parker is correct.

        Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo are also correct, the other two only played for three European Cup winners. There are actually more than four but because it's a tough question I didn't ask for them all.

        1. d1sable
          • Has Moderation Rights
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Veron?

          1. Rum Ham
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Just the three.

            1. d1sable
              • Has Moderation Rights
              8 years, 10 months ago

              cannavaro?

          2. Twisted Saltergater
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I was born on the same date as Veron 😎

    7. d1sable
      • Has Moderation Rights
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Cannavaro, Zambrotta?

    8. Rum Ham
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1) London

      2) Adebayor, Drogba, Yakubu, Benjani, Yeboah, Ba

      3) Scott Parker

      4) Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, van Hooijdonk, Saunders, Blanc

  12. Egg noodle
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Nothing in the tweets about Tom Cleverley to Everton yesterday.

    1. Jax
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      So? we know he went there.

      1. Egg noodle
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Many people only follow the scout tweets for reliable transfer news. I was just surprised it wasn't mentioned.

        1. Jax
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Bit silly. they don't update it as quick on there.

  13. pokern1nja09
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Ok here's a tough question for you guys:
    Who is the only player to have scored a hat-trick in the Premier League, all three divisions of the English Football League, the League Cup, the FA Cup, and for his country in an international match?

    1. Rum Ham
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Earnshaw.

      1. Jax
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        this. easy question.

      2. pokern1nja09
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        correct earnie

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Not that old chestnut.

  14. Gooner97
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Holebas...well done Watford.

    1. Jax
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      we'll see

      1. Gooner97
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I liked him in Roma.

  15. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Nobody about...so a slow google quiz for any lurkers...fastest fingers wins..

    Name the teams from the main European leagues 2014/15 for the following.

    Top three highest shots per game in the European leagues

    Top team for possession (%) in the European leagues

    Worst team for shots per game conceded in the European leagues

    Go google...!!

    1. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      all questions per game btw...

    2. Van Klinkert Delarosa
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1. Real Madrid, Man City, Bayern Munich

      2. Bayern Munich

      3. Sunderland

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Lovely stuff, a winner !!...courtesy of whoscored.com.

        Amazed Sunderland were bottom of that stat...QPR third worst and yet FPL yields so many pts from Sunderland as oppose QPR, funny old game.

        1. The Light Knight
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Sunderland give up 20 shots a game from 20 yards

          QPR give up 18 shots from 10 yards 😉

        2. Van Klinkert Delarosa
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Who needs Google if you have whoscored.com. 😎

          Very good site.

    3. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Barce Bayern Madrid

      Bayern

      QPR

  16. ReinaMan
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    I see it is trivia night, don't know how well known this one is, but here is one of my favourites:

    Sunderland did it in 1979.
    Villa did it in 1981.

    Who did it in 1980?

    1. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      I don't know but I'm sure you have a nice photo of it.
      Welcome back RM 🙂

    2. Kurtinho
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Brooking 😛

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Winner winner, scotch egg dinner!

        They were of course the scorers of the winning goal in FA Cup finals

    3. Van Klinkert Delarosa
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Very good trivia.

      *bookmarked

  17. Dr Dream
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Too quick for me you lads...

    Another google one for the quick of typing...Tough one this time...

    How many teams have been eliminated at the world cup finals without losing a match and without going out on pens...

    Teams and years please folks...

    That should take a while...

    1. Goodnight Kiwi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      All Whites! Undefeated! 2010

    2. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      NZ 2010

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        tick

    3. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Belgium 98

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        tick

    4. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      England 82

      1. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        you're on a roll...tick

    5. The Light Knight
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      England in every tournament since they joined, it's been a fecking FIFA conspiracy to release footage to pretend that they've ever lost

    6. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      North Korea 2010 😀

      1. The Light Knight
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        😕 Striker 1
        They won the WC, so they were never eliminated

    7. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Looks like it's gone cold....answers

      Brazil 1978
      England 1982
      Scotland 1974
      NZ 2010
      Belgium 1998
      Cameroon 1982

  18. The Light Knight
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Other than the name of the characters, I have zero interest in Batman vs Superman. It looks about as fun as a funeral.
    I get that the Dark Knight films were dark and successful but at least they cracked the odd joke

  19. ReinaMan
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    A few more for you:

    1) What's the only team in top 5 European leagues who have gone a season unbeaten and still haven't won a title?

    2) Which team has won the European cup more times than the first division of their country?

    3) Who is the only player to have ever saved a penalty taken by Eusébio?

    4) Which is the only Football League team which doesn't share any letters with the word 'Mackerel'?

    1. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Piggin hell...This is hardcore quizzing tonight...

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        I only go for the best 😉

    2. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No2 is Forest...

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        It is indeed.

        1 First Division title in 1977-78
        2 European Cups in 1978-79 and 1979-80

    3. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      4) Swindon Town

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Correct, well played

    4. Dr Dream
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      No3 ...Jose Mourinho's dad...

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Indeed it was, José Manuel Mourinho Félix the father of Chelsea manager José Mário dos Santos Mourinho Félix

        1. Dr Dream
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Just doing a bit of reading...Three claim to have done it but Jose's dad actually did it...

      2. Dr Dream
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        and Gordon Banks

    5. Van Klinkert Delarosa
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      1. Perugia

      1. ReinaMan
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Correct, in the Serie A season of 1978-79, Perugia recorded 0 losses,11 wins and a whopping 19 draws, losing the league to Milan by 3 points. This remains their highest league finish.

        Other Perugia trivia: Jay Bothroyd and Al-Saadi Gaddafi (son of that Gaddafi) were both at the club from 2003-04, with Bothroyd staying until 2005

    6. Mull
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      We did it!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEppHWMjA_c

  20. Nickofoz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    Darn, was hoping Sakho stayed under the radar on here 😀

    Good signing by Watford, Holebas could be an option if he comes in at 4.5. Good player imo.

    1. Tiamani Warrior
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      bit unsure of picking watford players with all the changes happening there but with some money behind them could end up doing much better than bournemouth/norwich

      1. Nickofoz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        You don't buy Holebas and not starting him though.

        1. Tiamani Warrior
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          yea new signings would seem the safest bet - don't know which of the old brigade the new manager will stick with

    2. Ruth_NZ
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Sakho was on the radar anyway. 🙂

      As for Holebas, one thing I'm sure of is that I'll be having no Watford and no Bournemouth defenders in my GW1 squad.

      1. Tiamani Warrior
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        what's sakho's probability of being first choice striker? didn't he have a bit of a dry spell last season even without the injuries?

      2. Nickofoz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Fair enough Ruth. But surely you have to make some sacrifices somewhere to be able to afford the big hitters?

        I think I'll only get promoted defenders if they are 4.0.

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Which big hitters? I doubt I'll have a midfielder over 9.0m or 9.5m.

          1. Nickofoz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Not one of Hazard, Silva or Fabregas? Interesting.

            Which big hitters are you looking at overall then? Aguero won't be back for GW1. Heavy defence?

            1. Ruth_NZ
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Fabregas, yes. I'd expect 9.5 for him.

              I am calculating my team with Aguero in it. Although he'll probably only come in for GW4.

    3. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Which Sakho? and who did he sign for?

      1. Tiamani Warrior
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        two discussions in one - first line reference to sakho getting a brace for wham in europa today - 2nd line new watford fullback

        1. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Yep, Diafra Sakho scored a brace for West Ham, it was against a very small team but yeah.

          And Jose Holebas signed for Watford from Roma, Greek International.

          1. Ryan
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            He's a good player but I wouldn't let that become a reason for him to be a must have in GW1

            1. Nickofoz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Holebas or Sakho?

              1. Ryan
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • Has Moderation Rights
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Sakho

                1. Nickofoz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Oh, why not? Should come in relatively cheap (6.5-7) playing in an attacking side with good attacking fixtures. Not much to dislike.

                  1. Tiamani Warrior
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    who is his competition for striker spot? just carroll(injured) and valencia (not prolific and can go on wing)?

                    1. Nickofoz
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      Precisely. I will be well tempted if WHam don't sign a striker this window. He's always first choice when playing one striker and could also play in a partnership (which would slightly dent his prospects) with Valencia.

                      But we'll see how Bilic likes to line up. I have a feeling it'll be a solo striker instead of a partnership.

                      1. Tiamani Warrior
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        I'm sold for

                      2. Tiamani Warrior
                        • 10 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        < 7

                      3. Nickofoz
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Yeah I think he'll be 7.0 max. Seems a reasonable price, hopefully FPL look at his overall points rather than his goals scored.

                      4. Twelve years a slave
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Sakho should be nicely priced for the third forward spot in a 343
                        Proven premier league scorer before his injury, whats not to like?

                      5. Nickofoz
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Was this to me or Ryan?

                        As I've mentioned, seriously considering Sakho as my third striker.

                      6. Twelve years a slave
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        hes certainly an option, hes on my good list

                      7. Nickofoz
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 9 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Definitely.

  21. Parm
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 10 months ago

    How does it feel knowing that FPL is just days away but still not knowing when?

    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 10 months ago

      Its better to imagine its still a few weeks away. Somewhere between the 15th and 20th imo

    2. Jay_
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Like we're approaching the due date of our baby and if it carries on more than 2 weeks with no show they will enduce labor 🙂

      • Billy Gilmore
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Just ask Daniel

    3. Jay_
        8 years, 10 months ago

        For a team 1/200 on with the bookies, 3-0 is probably a bit underwhelming, but it really did have a feel good buzz around the ground tonight, plus Song was there to watch too 🙂 surely his signing is imminent

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3147912/Alex-Song-stands-watch-West-Ham-win-Lusitans-Hammers-close-permanent-deal-Barcelona-midfielder.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

      • Kurtinho
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        What price do we think Bony will come in at? Can see him getting a lot of minutes this season.

        1. Tiamani Warrior
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I reckon to be of fantasy relevance you need to be playing close to 90minutes for your team every week when fit - can't see that for bony

          1. Kurtinho
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Might have to wait for Aguero's inevitable injury in that case.

            1. Tiamani Warrior
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              could come this weekend - vidal looking in the mood to break some legs!

          2. Nickofoz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            this

        2. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Also, if he gets a lot of minutes, that kisses goodbye Aguero as an option.

      • BeachBadger
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Transfer speculation for today

        Manchester United are hoping to convince Everton to part ways with Seamus Coleman this summer by offering Jonny Evans as part of any deal for the Irish right-back. (Mirror)

        Chelsea have decided not to sell striker Loic Remy who is believed to be attracting interest from Swansea, West Ham and Crystal Palace. (Mirror)

        Barcelona have stepped up their chase of Juventus midfielder Paul Pogba who is also wanted by Manchester City and Paris St Germain. (Daily Mail)

        Chelsea, Manchester City and Arsenal are all interested in Augsburg defender Baba Rahman. The 21-year-old is valued at €20m (£14m) (Guardian)

        Chelsea will sell Oscar to Juventus if they Italian champions offer £25m. The Blues have already rejected a £19.8m bid. (Express)

        Bayern Munich’s Thomas Muller has rejected speculation linking him with a move to Manchester United. (The Sun)

        Newcastle United are not keen on signing Mario Balotelli this summer. The Liverpool striker is unwanted at Anfield but Steve McClaren wants to work with his current squad. (Daily Star)

        Southampton have opened talks with Atletico Madrid over a permanent move for Toby Alderweireld. The Saints are hoping to beat Tottenham to the centre-back. (Guardian)

        Sporting want to sign Ricky van Wolfswinkel on loan from Norwich City. (A Bola)

      • Tiamani Warrior
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Deeney a good pick? Club captain with 21 goals sounds good - but vydra also got 16 and ighalo 20. what formation did they play to get 60 odd goals out of 3 guys? if they only get 30 in prem will that mean 10 each?

        1. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Hmm interesting point. I think I may stay away from Deeney, if you are going for a promoted I think Wilson is the one to get, he is the main man in the Bournemouth attack (apart from Ritche) and should be on pens. As you said, Watford goals are spread around a lot.

          Also, Bournemouth have better opening fixtures.

          1. Tiamani Warrior
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            I was thinking along the same lines with Wilson - only problem is I want ritchie and be nice to spread the risk a bit

            1. Nickofoz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah that's understandable. My thinking is get Ritchie or Atsu and then Sakho as third striker.

              All just speculation though, it'll depend on prices.

              1. Tiamani Warrior
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Trying to squeeze funds out of attack and defence for the midfield - keen on aguero 13- sakho 7 - deeney/wilson 6

                1. Nickofoz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  Well there are so many variables. It's unlikely Aguero will be around for GW1.

                  Bojan could be your man.

      • the cromulent one
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Most difficult part of the season: coming up with a witty team name. A few years ago I had such a hard time coming up with something that my team's name was "witty team name". Imagined wit is hardly a sustitute for the real thing.

        Note that any team name that uses Fuchs in a play on words does not qualify as witty.

        1. dush64
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          How about a new twist on an oldie: Fuchs in De Gea Ba

          The other players make this exempt from your rule.

        2. Marknlard
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I'm sticking with Fernando Clitorres. He's long gone but it still makes me chuckle a bit.

          Anything is better than Leavemyarselona, can't believe there's people still using that one.

      • dush64
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        https://twitter.com/dreamteamfc/status/616520824175099904

        The Sun game's only opening in a week. FPL will be after that.

        I guess we can calm down 🙂

        1. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          FPL was never really going to open this week anyway.

      • Kurtinho
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Worked out a nice little combination of defences for the first 5 gameweeks.

        Ars - Whu - Sun - Lei - Bou

        Gives the following:
        GW1 WHU/SUN/AVL
        GW2 cpl/LEI/NOR
        GW3 LIV/BOU/SWA
        GW4 new/LEI/avl
        GW5 STK/NEW/AVL

        Gives a nice starting point for fixtures and includes a premium defence (Ars) + a few cheaper solid options that rotate well 🙂

        1. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Hmm nice one Kurt. I'd definitely want to know more than just 5 gameweek's though, when I look at rotation I do it until the Jan WC.

          1. Kurtinho
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Just a starting point. After 5 gameweeks I'd probably look to alter my defence anyways. I doubt anyone would keep the same defenders until Jan.

            1. Nickofoz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Really? A defensive transfer is a wasted one imo, unless it's an injury/suspension.

              1. Kurtinho
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                I still love making them for some reason haha.

              2. Marknlard
                • 14 Years
                8 years, 10 months ago

                Depends how bad your defence is.

                1. Nickofoz
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  8 years, 10 months ago

                  That's why you make sure they rotate nicely 🙂

                  1. Marknlard
                    • 14 Years
                    8 years, 10 months ago

                    There's a lot more to it than a nice rotation. If only it were as simple as the teams at home keeping clean sheets every week.

                    1. Nickofoz
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 9 Years
                      8 years, 10 months ago

                      Yes, but I'm talking rotation based on fixtures, not pure home/away rotation.

                      1. Marknlard
                        • 14 Years
                        8 years, 10 months ago

                        Rotation based on fixtures until the Jan WC? That's half the season 😀

          2. Kurtinho
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Imagine Bellerin - Cresswell - PvA - Fuchs - Mings from that lot. All attacking fullbacks. Could work well!

            1. Nickofoz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Yeah nice. Bellerin not nailed though. Same with Fuchs.

          3. Nickofoz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            The problem with that is (I had a quick look until January) one week a lot of your defenders are away and the next a lot are at home.

            If you replace WHM with WBA it's quite nice actually. Still could be improved though.

            1. Kurtinho
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              Fair enough. Still tinkering.

        2. dush64
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          I have the same rotation locked in for the first 12 GWs, but with Chelsea instead of Arsenal. The other 4 rotate well for ages in a pick2 format.

          1. Kurtinho
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Agreed. I'm particularly keen on West Ham under Bilic, Sunderland under Advocaat, and Leicester under (hopefully) Lennon.

          2. Nickofoz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Hmm that looks nice. I'm not sure I'll start with a Chelsea defender but I guess for an extra 1-1.5m you are confident playing them every single week, unlike an Arsenal defender.

            1. dush64
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              More than that, for the last two years I've squeezed Ivanovic out of my starting squad for GW1, and watched as he had his trademark blazing starts. Never again!

        3. Amateur Pundit Zan
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          You'd play the arsenal defender pretty much every week though right?

          1. Kurtinho
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Yeah every week except possibly city, united or chelsea away.

            1. Ziro Becomes One
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              If I get Kosc or one of Debuchy/Bellerin, I will be tempted to play them week-in-week-out. Reason being Wenger's more pragmatic approach last season, with the title lookingly seemingly within reach this season, he has to use that tactic in all the big matches. This also gives hope for a counterattacking goal via the Bellerin (either assist or goal) route for example.
              Just hopeful this is the Gunner Year ! 😛

      • ihateramsey2
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 10 months ago

        Is it true that sanchez and walcott are listed as forwardS??

        1. mipola
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          They are listed as forwards in the official premier league website. We will have to wait a bit more to see how fpl classifies them.

          1. ihateramsey2
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            anyone remembers if they were forwards on the website last year also?

        2. Twelve years a slave
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          Its a load of nonsense, we wont know anything until the game opens

        3. Nickofoz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 10 months ago

          No way they will be forwards imo

          1. Twelve years a slave
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 10 months ago

            Walcott is a possible, depends on whether they go by the position he has played or the position Wenger says he will play

            1. Nickofoz
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 10 months ago

              I doubt Wenger will say though. Plus it would be a bit rough if they made him a forward based off one game.