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The New Manager Effect

8 January 2018 58 comments
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So far there have been seven Premier League clubs that have ย parted company with their manager mid season – Everton, Leicester, West Ham, West Brom, Crystal Palace, Swansea and Stoke.

Apart from the Potters, all have a new man at the helm so I thought it would be good to find out how some of them have helped, or indeed hindered, their new sides’ chances of top flight survival and ability to deliver points to Fantasy managers.

Due to the high use of Members area statistics this article is only available to Members.

Note: ย As Paul Clement’s replacement Carlos Carvalhal has only been in charge for just two games at the time of writing, I have omitted Swansea from this article.

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  1. J0E
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    • 16 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    Thanks for this. Moyes looking like having made the biggest change so far in terms of fantasy potential in attack and defence - think that is largely because he inherited a really good team that was not performing. Arnautovic was just wasted under the previous management.

    Really like the prospects of Tosun. Very keen on seeing how he does.

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    1. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Without a consideration of fixture difficulty (Everton/Koeman?), injuries or other factors, isnt it a mute point analysing whether the manager is the actually the primary driver for a change in performance, rather than a change in fixtures or a few players back from injury ?

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      1. J0E
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        • 16 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I can't comment for the author but my take on it is that for most of the managers above there has been a good spread of hard and easy games to look at for them and their predecessor.

        But yes there are obviously a raft of factors - also including bad run of luck with injuries etc.

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        1. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Agreed, just think there should have been some consideration, at least as an aside. Analysis of reasons for Form / Results tend not to be such a binary issue, but nevertheless great information ๐Ÿ™‚

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      2. the Penman
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        • 13 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I think there's a lot in this. Makes me wonder what Frank De Boer could have done with a fit Zaha up front.

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        1. Tazah
          • 7 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Yes, good point, what I was saying at the start of the season.... Even palace lost to a Brighton B team tonight with a similar team de boer had

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      3. FPL Virgin
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        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Yep, as Jonty says .... Palace aside, there is a good spread of easy/hard home/away games to make some reasonable conclusions. With West Brom, for instance, the change in approach by Pardew, forcing them up the pitch, was like a red flashing light in the numbers and stats. And as for Everton they are clearly scarfing goals and attacking play to stop them leaking goals.

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        1. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Yes, I don’t doubt it, but would have liked to have seen a disclaimer that the fixtures evened them selves out etc and are the same mix for the out going Manager as the incoming, as this seems to be the case ๐Ÿ™‚

          It’s good to see a change in style pre/post manager expressed in stats, because we all have our own preconceptions regarding Big Sam etc

          Would have been also been good to know km covered by the players to understand if the teams are working harder for the new managers ?

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          1. FPL Virgin
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            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Fair point. Obviously the new manager can't replay the games the old manager played earlier in the season.

            I'm not sure if distance covered is available in the members area - I shall check!

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        2. GENERATION X
          • 12 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Was thinking of Foster to DDG at some point and maybe a -4 next week is now on...unless I go from Elliott instead

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          1. FPL Virgin
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            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Could be a decent shout. West Brom's defensive stats are encouraging under a bespectacled Pardew.

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  2. Miguel Sanchez
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    Start one:

    A) Depoitre (WHU)
    B) Gross (wba)
    C) Ogbonna (hud)

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    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      B!

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  3. Gooner Kebab
    • 13 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    I enjoyed the TLDR verdicts at the bottom.

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    1. FPL Virgin
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      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      Heh-heh, Lazy so-and-so! ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  4. Feyzi
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    • 11 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    Very useful article. Many thanks.

    As for Tosun, I will be very surprised if he can justify the price tag the way Rooney has done. Very surprised...

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    1. FPL Virgin
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      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      I'm not sure about the pedigree of the Turkish league either, but WGTA did a great article on Tosun to go alongside the scout report. They rated him 4 out of 5. The rate at which he fires off shots in the box was impressive and if he is on pens, that would be big. But as mentioned above, Everton need a big name to create chances. Someone like Ozil but cheaper!

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      1. Feyzi
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        • 11 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        I think I am biased here a bit, because Turkish players have always found it difficult to settle in the UK (or elsewhere) and overall, their form significantly diminishes when they travel, possibly because of differences in, to put it mildly, culture and lifestyle... In that respect, Cenk Tosun will do much better than the likes of Hakan Unsal, Hakan Sukur, Emre Belozoglu, Tuncay Sanli who had much more conservative lifestyles and could never really adopt to the UK. The latter scored half goals (per game) of what he scored in Fenerbahce. Tugay Kerimoglu is a counter example, though, and Cenk Tosun's lifestyle is more Western so he will find it easier to adopt. But he will need time. I would be surprised if he just went on the pitch and scored this weekend!

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        1. FPL Virgin
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          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          I think you could be right. Plus Big Sam is very good in the transfer market generally.

          I'm tempted to take a punt on him from the off.

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          1. Feyzi
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            But I am very worried over the money. At 7.5 he has to deliver as much as Rooney has done over the season, in order to be a better option than him. That is a challenge.

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        2. teki0s
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Even though I agree with you concerning Turkish players, Tosun is born and raised in Germany where he also played a considerable amount of football. This puts him closer in terms of mindset with players like Ozil (Turkish descent). Of course, it's a wait and see situation but may provide a lot of value costing only 7.5m

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          1. Feyzi
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            You are absolutely right but 7.5 is a very risky price anyway. I guess we will just need some 180 minutes or so to see if he can be worth the investment.

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      2. Tazah
        • 7 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Siggy?

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        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          ... Stardust?

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          1. Tazah
            • 7 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Aas in you said they need a cheaper ozil - siggy

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            1. true_Jerry
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              agreed

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            2. FPL Virgin
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              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              Good shout.

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  5. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    7 years, 11 months ago

    Thank you so much for posting this, Jonty. After researching and writing this, I have a new found respect for what you, Paul and the guys go through each day in putting out all the content which we take for granted.

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    1. true_Jerry
      • 9 Years
      7 years, 11 months ago

      its their job

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      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        And it's really tough! Writing these stats heavy articles is draining.

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        1. true_Jerry
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          fair play, should probably pay for membership and see if its worth it

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          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I was reluctant to pay for a membership at the start of last season. I thought the free articles was more than enough.

            This season, I was the second person in the queue to buy a new membership. I don't think you can do well without the stats.

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            1. Kun, Ayew Nigerian?
              • 10 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              I had my worst finish last season when I was a member. I was overwhelmed with the stats and made silly transfers/mistakes.

              I'm more mature more and will pay for membership next season by God's grace.

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              1. Fitzy.
                • 14 Years
                7 years, 11 months ago

                You can always pay for membership just to help the site without using the stats and other tools.

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                1. Kun, Ayew Nigerian?
                  • 10 Years
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  True. Thanks, buddy.

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                2. Licious Lizard (delete acc)
                    7 years, 11 months ago

                    I have been did that last year to support the site. Didn’t use any of the features.
                    But come on, let’s be honest. It’s not a small site anymore, where you can pull that stuff. “Help the site”. Mark is doing videos, articles etc. for the Official Premier League + ads on the site, so I don’t think you can speak of it like a “small community” anymore.
                    That being said, I respect Mark very much. He is finally getting to reap what he sowed with hours and hours put into this site.
                    I would happily pay to use the site if needed, but can’t justify it when not using any of the features this year - also because I don’t want to pay full price now haha ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                    1. FPL Virgin
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                      • 9 Years
                      7 years, 11 months ago

                      It does cost a lot to employ decent, UK-based copywriters to put out content and articles on a daily basis. Speak to any SEO agency and they will charge a fortune for 2 to 4 good quality blog posts a day.

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                      1. John t penguin
                        • 11 Years
                        7 years, 11 months ago

                        I may pay for membership then if that is going to happen
                        bantz

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              2. Licious Lizard (delete acc)
                  7 years, 11 months ago

                  Had my best season in the 1/4, where I wasn’t a member.
                  So trying that again this year ๐Ÿ™‚

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      2. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Nice article.
        Well done Virgin.

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        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Thanks Ogmeister ๐Ÿ™‚

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      3. LosBlancos
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        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Good read.

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        1. FPL Virgin
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          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Cheers L.B.

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      4. Defcons are for Kinnear
        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Click bait for non members

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        1. G-Whizz
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          • 8 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Aww didums...

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      5. FP El Wonky
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        • 15 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Very nicely done Virgin.
        Great article.

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        1. FPL Virgin
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          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Thank you ๐Ÿ™‚

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      6. G-Whizz
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        • 8 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        Should have given you the credit in the article but it just says "Posted by". Didn't realise it was you FPL Virgin haven't got the time to give it a full read right now but will do so...

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        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Watch this first! You'll wet yourself with laughter ๐Ÿ˜€ https://en-gb.facebook.com/PeterKayClips/videos/1161513387232759

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          1. G-Whizz
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            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            I got it lol cheers again ๐Ÿ˜†

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          2. G-Whizz
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            • 8 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Not gonna lie, that was quality ๐Ÿ˜€

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            1. FPL Virgin
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              7 years, 11 months ago

              "It'll take me the commercial break to count it out."

              It's £40. What's it in, Jim, twos?!

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      7. Forever In Our Shadow
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        • 12 Years
        7 years, 11 months ago

        A good read Virg. Great work.

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        1. FPL Virgin
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          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Cheers D.P. Thanks for giving it a read.

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      8. MTPockets
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Quite interesting Virg. Perhaps worth noting fixture difficulty mix. e.g. Everton and Leicester had tougher fixtures earlier, West Ham arguably easier earlier.

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          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Fair point. Thanks MTP.

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        • jia you
          • 9 Years
          7 years, 11 months ago

          Nice one, quite useful, well done Virg.
          The one thing that caught my eye was the lack of creativity shown by EVE! Although this shouldnt come as a surprise under Big Sam, with Siggy & Rooney in the side they should be doing better! And what the hell ever happened to that Dutch guy - Klassen!
          From my perspective, I'm happy having no EVE and to hold onto Lanzini for a while. Zaha interests me but their upcoming fixtures are just horrid all the way to GW33! They do however have a great run from 33-38!
          Cheers

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          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            7 years, 11 months ago

            Thanks, friend.

            Yep, I was surprised by the drop off in chances created under Big Sam. I'm not sure if it is a long term trend or just temporary while he tightens up at the back.

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