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18 March 2011 1035 comments
Mark Mark
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We took a first look at Player Manager back in December with chapped lips, frozen fingers and the frustration of a postponed Premier League. The big freeze ripped through the fixture list and stalled our “hands-on” review. Freshly defrosted in time for Spring however, I’ve spent the last couple of Gameweeks hitting the game hard in order to run the rule over this new Fantasy Football arrival.

As we revealed in our earlier Preview – this game takes a unique stance on the Fantasy theme. The “Player Station” is at the core of Player Manager, with the auto-auction carried out on deadline, key to your Gameweek fortunes. Unlike other Fantasy Games, it’s this list of players that decides the eleven that represents you in a given Gameweek. You can’t directly pick your team, you can only allocate ranks and maximum bids to players and sit back and wait for the deadline day auction to do its thing. It quickly becomes obvious then that learning the intricacies and strategies of this process is more vital than mastering the basic Fantasy ruleset on show.

This can be a double-edged sword. Player Manager can feel detached from the player selection process – at first it almost feels too much out of your control. While adding bids and ranks to your player list has a direct influence on your starting XI, you can find yourself hankering after direct control.

The flipside to this is that this game generates it’s own unique level of anticipation once the 11.30am Gameweek deadline passes. Scanning your lineup once the auction has taken place to discover that top targets have been grabbed offers an immediate sense of satisfaction even before a ball has been kicked. The other major bonus is that your Player Station list can be used to generate any number of teams – so you can create multiple teams to enter multiple leagues from just one master list of bids and ranks for no additional effort. That, in a nutshell, is the real beauty of this concept.

The game has improved iteratively since launch and recent steps to mark injured and suspended players and remove them from the auto allocation pool is a major improvement. Previously Player Manager could dish out injured players to fill in the gaps left by the auction – a source of much frustration which, thankfully, now looks a thing of the past. Ironically, the astute Fantasy Manager can use this to their advantage – with Player Manager red tagging injured players, last minute team news can come into play and those up to speed and armed with fresh knowledge can grab some auction bargains.

Player Manager allows you to enter Solo Leagues of 5,10 or 15 players, with each entry costing 10 credits costing £1 each. With an initial stake of 150 credits or £15, I’ve been able to more than double that in a couple of Gameweeks – and that’s someone who is a total newbie to the game and still selects Matt Taylor in the Scout Picks. The fact I’ve enjoyed success so quickly, suggests that, despite the apparently complexity, Player Manager can be grasped easily and success can come quickly.

I also profited from the “Double Up” mechanic – an element of the game that is perhaps more difficult to grasp and likely to be ignored by new players. That’s a real shame, as it can be key to fetching decent winnings.

The “Double Up” basically challenges the player to back his median score across all their teams for that Gameweek. If that score beats the median score for all managers in their chosen Double Up league, the stake is… guess what? Doubled. You can choose to enter 50, 100 or 150 credit leagues – clearly then, if you’ve the balls to back yourself, it’s a quick way of raking in credits.

There’s nothing like success to help fuel continued play and Player Manager will quickly hook you in once you feel you’ve unlocked it’s secrets and strategies. Maybe the same auction tactics won’t work every week, maybe luck plays a part but, if you earn some winnings early on, you’ll almost certainly come back to try your luck again.

Continued play reveal some minor frustrations. The lack of active Managers in the game can cause league entries to be refunded, simply because leagues can’t be filled. The site itself is also not without issues. A Flash based affair – it suffers from the occasional glitch and can be a little unwieldy at times.

Some processes need tightening, feedback increased and improved – managers need assurances that they are under control of their path through the game, even when the auction temporarily wrestles this back.

Look beyond these issues and there’s not doubt that Player Manager has huge potential. The auction process works well and streamlines player selection over multiple team entries. When you get it right and see many of your top targets across your teams on a Saturday morning, the warm fuzz of anticipation is a new and welcome sensation that very few Fantasy games can produce. That’s only bettered once the points start ticking as the live scoring commentary rolls, and finally of course, when the credits are dished out 48-hours later.

Undoubtedly, more players need to experience this game and the concept is certainly deserving of increased attention. Player Manager has a part to play in this recruitment drive by ironing out wrinkles and opening more friendly arms to new players, but there is plenty to gain from diving in right now. Player Manager feels different enough to warrant a place alongside traditional Fantasy Football efforts and the rewards feel tangible and within reach. Making this game part of your Saturday morning ritual can literally pay off and it has the potential to become a permanent fixture.

Player Manager and Fantasy Football Scout will be launching a new Scout League tournament, running from Gameweek 31 until the end of the season. Player Manager are donating £400 of prizes, split amongst three winners. Full details on this will be published next week, so if you fancy that and want to use Gameweek 30 to familiarise yourself with the game, you can get involved right here.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. gatzi
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Hi guys

    I have been in a hole for a week or more, not much fantasy action (oi oi)

    Djourou - we were all getting rid, then we were all keeping. What's the latest?

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    1. frankiefernandez
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      I think the latest is that he's out for 6 weeks. I'm getting rid.

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  2. SMOOTH
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    are people actually considering playing berba if they have him? isnt he most definately set to miss out with hernandez scoring 2 on tuesday. i have a choice of him or silva who should i go with?

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    1. Akers
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Definitely playing him.

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      1. SMOOTH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        reason?

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        1. super zlatan
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          See below

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  3. super zlatan
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    As a berba owner I think I will hold on to him. Rested last 2 games. Should start IMO. And if he scores he normally gets 2 or 3. Would be gutted to take him out and he gets a huge point haul this gw

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    1. Made of Stone
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      It's teed up for a classic Berba FFL weekend - not played for ages, not scored, everyone's shipped him, so hat-trick at least!

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      1. super zlatan
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        I hope so mate. Would u recommend keeping him for this gw?

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        1. Made of Stone
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Difficult to say - if you wanna take a risk that's the one that could pay off. Wait till 11am Saturday to see if there's any press gossip - good luck anyways.

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          1. Bubbles
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            I'm giving serious consideration to actually buying him this week and giving him the armband. Just got a funny feeling about the lad.

            I'll probably shit my pants and buy Rooney instead, but if I'm feeling brave it could be outstanding (or two captain points).

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  4. johnbobman
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Hi people

    Should I take the 4 point hit to swap Tevez for Rooney or RVP?

    I know Tevez usually does well against Chelsea but has a poor few games and a Blank on gw 33.

    For Rooney: Got a nice set of games coming up pretty much guaranteed a few goals. RVP is made of glass and will probably become injured due to a twisted sock.

    For RVP: Has an equally good few games coming up and has a double in gw33, opposed to blanks of Tevez and Rooney. He is a Goal Machine and is cheaper.

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    1. Uber Mo
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Rooney also has a blank on gw 33.

      RvP has an international break which is a worry.

      Therefore I would do nothing for now. Sit with Tevez. See what happens.

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      1. johnbobman
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Couldn't I just do Rooney for now and then RVP or similar in on gw 33?
        Just after watching Tevez the other week I think he's out of form, and won't do that well?

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  5. George Agdgdgwngo
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    I'm really struggling to know what to do with my team, was thinking of vdv or bent or even rvp, but not sure which is best, anyone got any suggestions:-

    Foster, Begovic,
    Kelly, R Johnson, Huth, Kolarov, Coleman
    Young, Nani, Adam, Nasri, Barton,
    Rooney, Tevez, Saha

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    1. George Agdgdgwngo
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      sorry £5.3m in the bank.

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      1. super zlatan
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Tevez out. Rvp in

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      2. johnbobman
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Kelly > Chelsea defender
        or
        Barton > VDV

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        1. George Agdgdgwngo
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          cheers guys.

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    2. Made of Stone
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Keep the front line for this week (I have the same dilema as posted above) and go for FLamps / VdV.

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    3. Uber Mo
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      How about doing nothing?

      You can put out a good team this week. Gives you two transfers next week. International break coming up.

      I am actively deciding to do no transfers this week 🙂

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  6. unoaime
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Barton or Bentley > vDV?

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  7. Perthite
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 9 months ago

    Predictions for the Wigan/Birmingham game?

    (Am trying to decide if Foster over Al Hasbi is the right decision)

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    1. knightsofcydonia
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      1-2

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  8. Mak_Gold
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Lads,is it worth taking a 4 pt. hit to do Brunt->Adam or Djourou->Walker/Smalling?If yes,which one?(Did Zigic->RVP with the freebie.)

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    • cucumber
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      who to bench?

      Foster (Robinson)
      Walker Coleman R.Johnson Carr (Vidic)
      Nani Young O'Hara Meireles Van Der Vaart
      Suarez Rooney(C) RVP

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      1. Uber Mo
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Carr and O'Hara.

        Too much Birmingham coverage with three defenders.

        Wolves record at Villa Park is awful.

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    • hillbillypete
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      CHELTENHAM

      anyone have a go on first race?

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      1. SuperDorrans
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Yep, Sam Winner let me down.

        Only had a quid on him though!

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        1. hillbillypete
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          i had him too. E/W but PP arent paying out. though it was first 4 in that race?

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          1. Bigo1
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            I had Zarkandar at 15/2, nice.
            Next one Alarazi

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      2. IAmTheWalrus
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        I had 3rd place so got money back

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    • cucumber
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      who to bench..?

      Foster (Robinson)
      Walker Coleman R.Johnson Carr (Vidic)
      Nani Young O’Hara Meireles Van Der Vaart
      Suarez Rooney(C) RVP

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Is it not obvious?

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      2. 1966 was a great year for E…
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Carr and O'Hara

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    • SuperDorrans
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      All gooooooooooood? Taken 4 point hit.

      Begovic
      Huth, Coleman, Walker
      Nani, A Young, Nasri, Adam
      Rooney (c), Tevez, Van Persie

      Foster, Barton, R Johnson, Djourou.

      ?????????????

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Yep, all is good.

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      2. Ole.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Pretty good, almost as good as mine 😉

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      3. Made of Stone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Top line-up!

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        1. SuperDorrans
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Bang tidy!

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    • percussion
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Are any of the following worth a 4pt hit?

      a)Tevez->Van Persie
      b)Barton->VanderVart
      c)Silva->Lampard
      d)Odemwingie->Carroll

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      1. Lrf
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Considering Tevez->RVP for a hit myself.

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      2. knightsofcydonia
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        yeah A or B

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    • George Agdgdgwngo
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Guys which team do you reckon is better for the run in:-

      A
      Foster, Begovic,
      Kelly, R Johnson, Walker, Bramble, Coleman
      Lamps, Nani, Adam, Nasri, Bale,
      Rooney, Tevez, Bent

      B
      Foster, Begovic,
      Kelly, R Johnson, Walker, Bramble, Coleman
      Lamps, Nani, Adam, VDV, Barton,
      Rooney, Tevez, RVP

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      1. Made of Stone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        B

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    • Perthite
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Team for this GW:

      Foster (Al Hasbi)
      Huth Walker Coleman (2:R.Johnson 3:Baird)
      Nani VdV Nasri A.Young Adam
      Tevez RvP(c) (2:Odemwingie)

      Does that look like the correct substitutes and order?
      (4 point hit taken for Berb->RvP and Vidic->Walker)

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      1. dogtanion
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        RvP captain...great minds.

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        1. Perthite
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          (* 1:R.Johnson)

          re:RvP - I think a lot of people will be picking him as capt. I am not totally sold yet and may change my mind.

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    • shiffo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Who would you guys bench this gw, Tevez, Adam or Beckford? I'm thinking Beckford.
      Also, playing with 10-men team, would you pay 4 pts for Raphael-Smalling?? Paying points for a defender most of the time doesn't work out but I'm playing with 10! thx

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      1. johnbobman
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Why would you bench a person who's playing making it a 10 man team? Shouldn't you just leave all 3 of them in?

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        1. Gav
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Formation limitations I presume, 3 defenders out means 1 will have to play and get 0

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          1. shiffo
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Exactly, formation limitations means I need 3 defenders and I can only field two! So, you'd bench Beckford??

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    • Admiral Stark
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Hi everyone, everything feels wrong with my team? Someone please RMT 🙂

      In other news, what are the chances of Berbatov starting against Bolton?

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      1. SuperDorrans
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Do Kolarov > Bardsley and Saha > Van Persie?

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        1. Admiral Stark
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Thanks...well Why do Kolarov out? Wont start? What dyou reckon I should do with Berbatov? dude's been rotting in my bench...

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          1. SuperDorrans
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Rotation risk, rubbish fixtures, rubbish footballer.

            I'd keep Berbatov this week, too much of a risk to get rid of him when you can easily just transfer out Saha for Van Persie anyway.

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            1. Admiral Stark
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              cheers then

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          2. Granville
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Boateng will start left back since Zabaleta has gone home on compassionate leave. He is also far more solid a defender than Kolorov.
            As far as left wing goes, there are options including putting Johnson out there, he may not start.

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            1. Admiral Stark
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              dankzij 🙂

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      2. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        4.7 & 32%

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        1. Admiral Stark
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          lol, what does 4.7 mean?

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          1. Kings of Lyon ★
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            4.7 outta 10 on your RMT

            Kolarov & Berba - rooney & walker

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            1. Admiral Stark
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              I must've had been doing really poor then. haha 4.7?
              thanks though, Walker is really good. I'll take that

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              1. Kings of Lyon ★
                • 15 Years
                14 years, 9 months ago

                I dono i'm pretty harsh few players like elokobi and lennon i dont like maybe was bit too critical

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    • Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      What the chances that our good friend zigic will fall in price tonight? i see hes around 28% on totalfpl

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      1. hillbillypete
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        cant see it

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        1. Kings of Lyon ★
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Thats what I want to hear 🙂

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        2. markieffm
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Hes injured isnt he?

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          1. Kings of Lyon ★
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            not sure about the injury but he dropped the other day

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    • Raheem's perm
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Got Tevez, Zigic and Torres at the mo. Hate Torres but want to keep him for GW33. Would like to get in RVP and Rooney for the other 2 but can't afford. So thinking of RVP and Hernandez although scared that a) Rooney will score a lot more points and b) SAF will start Berba tomo. Any thoughts welcome!

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      1. markieffm
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        its looking more and more likely that berbs will start as he hasnt started the last 2 and hernandez played midweek... We wont have any idea until the morning though...

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    • markieffm
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Anyone care to have a quick look at my team.

      I am thinking of just using my freebie for Djourou>Walker and waiting till next week to get some chelski in...

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    • SuperDorrans
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Anyone fancy Jara captain this weekend?

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      1. The Stock
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Jara does.

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        1. SuperDorrans
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          I'm serious.....

          Dorrans out, Mulumbu late fitness, he could be OOP! 😉

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          1. SuperDorrans
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            fitness test*

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            1. Jas aka The age of Ozil is …
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              With Woy as manager? No way!! Are they on the road?

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              1. SuperDorrans
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 9 months ago

                At home to Arsenal.

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                1. Jas aka The age of Ozil is …
                  • 15 Years
                  14 years, 9 months ago

                  If they are playing Arsenal, then it's worth a punt. The Gunners are spineless these days. HAHAAH JENS LEHMAN, sad!!!

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              2. The Stock
                • 15 Years
                14 years, 9 months ago

                *away

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          2. dogtanion
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            More like POO!

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          3. The Stock
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            LOOOOOOLZ!

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    • IAmTheWalrus
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      lets see it dirar

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    • knightsofcydonia
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Hows my team for this week lads?

      Foster
      Walker RJohnson Huth Coleman
      Nasri Lampard A Young VDV
      Rooney (c) RVP

      subs: Barton, Zigic, Djourou.

      cheers.

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      1. Fratboy
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        very nice, could be great

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    • Carling2K
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      First RMT post but struggling with WC this week.

      Mignolet Foster
      Smalling Luiz Carr Walker Simpson
      Lampard Young A Van der Vaart Nani Adam
      Van Persie Welbeck Rooney

      Too generic? Tempted by Bale&Carroll instead of VdV&Welbeck...

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    • The Stock
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Not selling Tev, but really want RVP.

      Tis a cruel world.

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    • Admiral Stark
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Whoa...Player Manager is hard to use

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    • Lrf
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Think VDV will play this weekend? Will the spurs starting XI be out before dealine? Looks doubtfull, but I gotta ask.

      Thinking about Arteta->VDV and for a hit: Tevez->RVP (I am #2 in my mini league, and both #1 and #3 got Tevez). How does that look?

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    • 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Team after 4 point hit will be:

      Begovic (Foster)
      Baines Coleman Carr (Kolarov Djourou)
      Nani VDV Nasri Adam (Thomas)
      Rooney RVP Saha

      Worth doing Djourou to Walker for another 4 points?

      If I want rid of Djourou before GW33 I'll need to take a hit (other transfers planned), so maybe I should just do it now.

      On the other hand, internationals coming up, might be better to save the 4 points and see if I get injuries to more important players.

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      1. The Stock
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        I hate taking hits on defenders. Rarely works out in your favour imo.

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        1. 1966 was a great year for E…
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          Yeah, I think you're right. Need to hope that one of Coleman or Kolarov starts. Coleman should with Arteta (and half the Everton midfield) out, do you think Kolarov will start?

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          1. Fratboy
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            he should do, the fact he scored last night should be enough reason for him to start

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              Yeah, hopefully, ta

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          2. The Stock
            • 15 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            Hmmmm....flip a coin. I think yes.

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            1. 1966 was a great year for E…
              • 15 Years
              14 years, 9 months ago

              Cheers Stock

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      2. Made of Stone
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        I'm in a similar boat - got to be strong and not take too many hits if you have an XI which will start which you seem to have.

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    • SMOOTH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      is tevez to RVP worth a -4?
      what are peoples thoughts of bringing in torres starting week 31.
      dont want to bring in rooney as he has a blank in 33 and then tevez is the better option 34 onwards. thoughts?

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      1. SMOOTH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        anyone????

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        1. Made of Stone
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          no

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          1. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 9 months ago

            no IMO

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    • MADE IN CHARLTON
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 9 months ago

      Balotelli. Amazing that a bib would cause so much trouble...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZgbwsy0oN4&feature=related

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      1. Bob.
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 9 months ago

        Haha! He is clearly not the brightest bulb around...

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 9 months ago

          LOL

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