When the whole tag of the show is "the best 20 business people who applied" then il take them up on it.

That can be reply to Apple too as its very clustered below his comment.

It doesnt go anywhere near the basic of business. This is the worst part. - it not only is built on a false hook line of the best 20 but also that it involves an insight into the business world.

So people are left with this false , convoluted impression of an industry
- which would be fine and very good entertainment if it didnt try to pretend to be everything but this.

maybe they're the 20 best that applied? who knows, me, you or charlie brooker weren't at the selection process.
besides it's not like looking for the fastest sprinter where the audition/interview/trial is a 100m race. that way you know you will get the 20 best sprinters for your show. this will always be more subjective because how the hell do you measure who is potentially the best entrepreneur or employee for alan sugar?

again this is all irrelevant anyway as it's a tv show. it can't possibly be 100% natural, either watch it or don't.

How do measure who will be the best?

Pretty simple and who they do it any environment

CV.

Its obvious here they were selected for their personalities and rivalries and to hit certain audiences.
And then add insult to the intelligence of the viewer by saying people were selected on merit.

And why couldnt a Tv show be natural??

it could be natural if there was a load of hidden cameras, but when half the show was jim's arse blocking the camera whilst you hear speech in the background it would be a bit rubbish to watch wouldn't it? it's a compromise.
of course they were selected on merit. they were seen as the best for the show. the right combination of entrepreneurial ability and if we believe the theories then yes being more TV friendly than the other guy/girl with exactly the same CV and experience but who was a bit more boring.
of course it's not a lecture on business skills, that would be boring to watch. but you do pick up bits and pieces from it and it is scandalous to tarnish it with the same reality tv brush of filth as the likes big brother and i'm a celebrity get me out of here for example. the apprentice is infinitely more relevant for me than other reality tv.
of course they probably tailor it a bit for tv, because it's on tv. seems fair to me

Other than possibly the working within a team aspect, I don't really agree. How can the situation [when negotiating/pitching/selling] be natural, when there are cameras everywhere and the 'real people' presumably know that it's for The Apprentice.

No reason for them to be told it's for the apprentice, but yeah it isn't 100% accurate with TV cameras, but it does give a bit of an insight. Especially when they're project managing and giving pitches/presentations. Especially the one they have to give in the last episode where it's just two of them.

its not natural jamsie, its organic ;). Its a money making scheme for Sugar. No more, no less. Normally he takes a risk employing someone based on c.v. interview etc etc This way, he gets publicity, loads of money, ie: 8 million viewers for the 1st show of the new series (god knows how much that generates for him.) Then the best bit. He has 12-15 episodees watching them do all sorts of tasks before he makes his choice, less risk to him. Quite a cute idea as far as he is concerned.

of course jamsiep. but it's still the candiates drawing from their own business skills to try and excel in those situations however strange they can be with nick hewer scratching his nose in the background.

if there was only 1 tv channel in the world and/or the remote control hadn't been invented i think db and his new sid lowe mr brooker have a great point.

you're 😉

you're*

(had to be done)

"I do tire of people looking for one upmanship"

Ooooo what a fib!

I tire of you constantly talking about England/Beckham/the media. Sh*t happens.

Anyway, so you got the Tevez thing right and that was you calling it. You got the Rooney/Pienaar thing wrong and that was someone elses call?

I also might have to go afk again, so if I don't respond straight away, don't panic, I will be back!

You can tire all you like about me talking about them nobody is forcing you to read.

All that matters if its the truth. In essence you tired about the image of someone / something you admire being tarnished.

Regarding the issue you incorrectly linked just there. The tevez issue was obvious given he was at the richest club in the world - so money wasnt the motivator. I just merely gave my take on it. There was no sources involved just common sense. So yes i can claim this as my own. But so can any one else looking at both sides.

Re rooney/ Pienaar. This was based on information from European and Manchester based Journalists who revealed they were in tocuh with clubs confirming Rooney and his agent at let it be known he wanted to leave and had a verbal agreement on his move - this is why he went public as he knew another deal was in place elsewhere. He did changed his mind.

This was information from a source. I couldnt possible claim it as my own in any event, Which as i pointed out above i didnt.

Yet you tried to spin the first story on Tevez - common sense and the second - a source as the same and in essence made it look like I claimed to know re Rooney. That is false.

I was talking to Soup about the Pienaar/Rooney story ....yet you nicely re linked the Tevez story which had nothing to do with our conversation.

Well played. I couldnt care less who cares which way but i do care about the truth in any matter.

Calm down Dbronaldo please.

tl;dr

Too long to read? More like tail between legs....

Right....

To me it still says. You got Tevez right, you called it and used no other info. You got other stuff wrong, which was of course info from other people.

Nice of you to miss the part where you presented A as B for a cheap laugh.

You're welcome.