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11 January 2012 2319 comments
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We can finally wave goodbye to Gameweek 20 after tonight’s events, as Spurs and Everton clash at the Lane to bring it to a conclusion. Our Dugout Discussion chatroom is now open to capture your thoughts, comments and opinion in real-time as events unfold.

The same double Gameweek assets that disappointed the first time around, will now be expected to deliver with Gareth Bale and Emmanuel Adebayor once again carrying the armband for thousands of Fantasy managers.

Investment in the Everton lineup was far more modest and, with both Phil Jagielka and Leon Osman sidelined, it’s likely to be just Leighton Baines who goes into tonight’s game with Fantasy backing.

Away from the Lane, City and Liverpool clash in the first leg of their Carling Cup semi-final – a distraction perhaps, but Roberto Mancini’s teamsheet and the form of Steven Gerrard will be on the agenda for watchful Fantasy managers.

The City lineup shows no start for David Silva, with City moving quickly to offer reassurance that the inspirational Spaniard won’t be sidelined for long – it remains to be seen if he’ll make Monday’s trip to Wigan. The Liverpool lineup has Jose Enrique on the bench with Martin Kelly, drafted in; Craig Bellamy and Steven Gerrard both start, as does Andy Carroll.

At the Lane, Jake Livermore comes in for the injured Scott Parker while both Michael Dawson and Aaron Lennon earn starts. Everton recall Tim Cahill, with no place for Royston Drenthe – he’s left on the bench.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Old Glory
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Kneejerk and take silva out? I'd be able to go from:

    Silva Clark Jones Raylor Sturridge

    to

    Dempsey Simpson Evans Shotton Rooney

    Worth it? I'm leaning towards yes

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Yep I fear his injury could see him miss 2 or 3 games

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  2. Indalo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    WCT

    Soronsen/Lindegaard
    Williamson/Shotton/Caulker/Brown/Senderos
    Silva/Bale/Nani/Walters/Dempsey
    Rooney/Aguero/Holt

    Leaves me with 0.5 in bank. Any thoughts appreciated 🙂

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    1. The Spudgunner
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Dodgy backline. Would get rid of a Midfielder to upgrade the defence.

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    2. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      i love holt!!! had him in my team for a few weeks early on & got slagged by my friends, took him out & wish i hadn't! he scores goals!!!

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  3. FORCA INTER
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    i miss DGWS from last year

    such a dissipointed this year 🙁

    can't complane 2 much since i hit 74pts somehow

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    1. Random_Guy
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      That's better than my score...

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    2. Ryan
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      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      They may be another one with Liverpool perhaps due to CC?

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    3. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      At least you have Sunday night's game to look forward too. Oh wait, you're going to lose 🙂

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      1. FORCA INTER
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        no chanse dude

        inter finally hit form and we are unsotabble now 😉

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          You were in form for our last league meeting. It took Pato what, about 14 seconds to score? 🙂

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          1. FORCA INTER
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            let's just wait and see

            i truly belive that Inter will win 2-0

            it was nice 7 years without a thropy?how it's feel to be league champ after all those years of inters dominations?ahah 😀

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            1. Mílanista
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              7 years without a trophy... I think you're forgetting about a little thing called the Champions League. It was very nice ending Inter's run as league winners and I look forward to retaining it this season.

              How many years did Inter go without a league title? About 20? 🙂

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  4. Ryan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    I have decided to keep Drenthe for another week. I already have B Arfa and I don't fancy McClean to get points against Chelsea. Good move? Having 2FT next week could also be handy

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    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I think Moyes has to start Drenthe, amazed he didnt tonight either. By far their most creative player.

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        +1 i really like the guy, but im going to have to drop him now, if hes never going to get the minutes

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      2. matiakez
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        he has had to start for a while! Frankly if Billy starts before him he has no hope..

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    2. alsybach
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I am going to keep him forever he is brilliant, always starts, always scores heavily, not a rotation risk, his manager loves him, he is not injury prone and is unlikely to be dropped..........oh hang on.......wait a minute...........get rid of him you idiot!!!!!!!!!

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      1. 4vets
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        +1

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      2. Ryan
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        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        A bit over the top mate. Quit that kneejerk talk

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    3. matiakez
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      I'm mulling it over but think i have had enough punishment...will he even start?!

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      1. Ryan
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        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        I think he will. He has only just got back from illness

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    4. Ryan
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      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I think he has to start against villa though Everton need an attacking player and he only just got back from being sick. Also I only have 6m to play with and there is no one available for below that price

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    5. 1mills
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I'm keeping also for next week as have used this weeks transfer and think he'll probably play in the horror week on 21st aswell (or make a 1min cameo as is more likely).

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  5. clarkethspa
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    To pick 3 out of a back 5 every week of:

    Simpson, Shotton, Kelly, Evans, and Cauker will surely work out? A serious attack can be assembled.

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    1. Ryan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah I don't see why that isn't a bad strategy.

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      1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        You mean to say you think it is a bad strategy?

        The amount of negatives in that post confused me!

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        1. 4vets
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          He thinks it's a bad strategy, looking at the negs.

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        2. Ryan
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          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Sorry I think I got lost in words. I mean it is an ok strategy, nothing wrong with it

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    2. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      yeah thats 5 teams well capable of cleansheets. wont score a lot of goals mind, but u never know

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    3. alsybach
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      picking 3 out of 5 shit defenders.........great idea............

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      1. clarkethspa
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        that being said, but its not like newcastle swansea united stoke and fulham leak a fortune of goals

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        1. clarkethspa
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Have a look at your team there ALSYBACH - think you'll notice 3 familiar faces to my list

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        2. alsybach
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          jesus.........don't follow me for fooks sake!!!!!

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  6. matiakez
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    Temptation to use the WC is now massive.

    Drente has to go, Ade seems to have done his usual new club thing by going off the boil and Ba has gone plus i have Baines.

    Also why was Enrique benched?

    In the end a fail of a GW for me.

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  7. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    I wonder if all the bastardos at FPL Towers have gone to bed? Shameful!

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    1. chinmusic
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Their tardiness in updating the game is the most annoying change out of many to the game this year. I know it's free and all, but the immediacy of it was one of the things I loved. It takes literally days for H2Hs to update.

      On another note, Doosra, did you see that rogue Pooley brought in Adebayor as his captain for the All England league? Cheeky rotter. Kyle Walker was my captain - justice prevailed!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Feck me - you are having me on??? Surely??? 😯 That is Abyss Mall.

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        1. chinmusic
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          I'm not. I've put a stern note in the forum but he hasn't replied!

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            Well, that has to be an end of him. Silly Billy.

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            1. chinmusic
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              I've said if he dumps him asap and takes the necessary point hits I'll let him continue. You OK with that?

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    2. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      surely the new boys are still up?

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      1. the axolotl
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        take that back fpl / scout mix up

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    3. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Bastardos!!!!!!!!!!1

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  8. the axolotl
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    savic was so bad tonight (although carrol and balotelli were about the same), that i thought i'd ask who is the worst player ever to make a premiership appearence?

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Jason Cundy.

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      1. the axolotl
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        who'd he play for?

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Spurs. He was crap.

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      2. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Patrick Agyemang.

        End of contest.

        I win.

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Hey Nomar, read a Jason Roberts article re Hughes, v positive, will definitely raise fitness levels.

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          1. Nomar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            Superior to Warnock in every way, mate. As our fans will soon find out.

            I reckon Warnock will go to Ipswich. Jewell's days look numbered.

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            1. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              Yeah, just need to stay up, then i'll be spending plenty of weekends back in London next season thats for sure.

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              1. Nomar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 3 months ago

                Think we will now. I reckon it was 99.99999% certain we'd have gone down with 'Colin'.

                SWP might be worth a punt on FPL again now.

                Be interesting to see what team he plays on Sunday.

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                1. Crouch Potato!
                  • 14 Years
                  14 years, 3 months ago

                  Has never lost to Newcastle. SWP as an out an out winger for me, I reckon he'll play it tight, an counter attack, a point would be massive.

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    2. Kanus hat trick
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Ali Dia

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      1. kennethrhcp
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        +1 has to be george weah's cousin 🙂

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    3. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Kristoffer Haestad, for Wigan away to Chelsea. Probably find it on youtube. Yes, I am norwegian! 😀

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    4. SchoolboyError
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Didn't that bloke once come on for Southhampton who'd convinced the Manager he was George Weah's Brother? He was subbed again after about 5 mins?!

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      1. Kanus hat trick
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Yep, Ali Dia. His agent said he was Weah's cousin

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      2. SchoolboyError
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Yes thats him, Ali Dia!

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      3. the axolotl
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        i vaguely remember that. was it harry in charge at the time? if so he's come on a bit

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        1. SchoolboyError
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          I think it was Souness, 1996

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    5. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Bogdan

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        I told you, Patrick Agyemang.

        End of!

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    6. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Erik Meijer for liverpool, legend but for the wrong reasons

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    7. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Prunier for man united or Taibi for man united.

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  9. The Spudgunner
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Would anyone go for RVP and 2 £7.5m or below forwards.

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Yak and Studge/Bellamy/Ade yeah why not?

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    2. 88mph
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Not for me. Want to get in at least two of RVP, Aguero & Rooney.

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    3. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Thats what I'm planning to do with WC. Plenty of good strikers under £7.5m and helps you to have a packed MF.

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      1. The Spudgunner
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Gerrard--Bale--Nani--Silva

        Yeh B*tch

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        1. Nomar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Innit!

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            but surely the potential rewards are higher from Aguero?

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  10. 88mph
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    My WC team;

    Vorm/Tremmel

    Brown/Shotton/Simpson/Senderos/Jose Enrique

    Valencia/Silva/Gerrard/Bale/McClean

    Van Persie/Sturridge/Aguero

    Sweet.

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    1. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      How much does Sweet cost?

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      1. super zlatan
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        LOOOOLL

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      2. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        A fair amount but you can downgrade him to Sour.

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    2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Who is Tremmel?

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  11. pukey
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Ruddy(sorensen)
    Simpson Taylor R BAE
    Nani Dempsey Mata Bale
    Sturridge Ade RVP

    Should I bother using WC or should I save?

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    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      No. Good team. Save WC.

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  12. FPL Marc
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Opinions on Shane Long? Hasn't done well in a while but West Brom's fixtures are delicious.

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    1. matiakez
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Injured i think, its a shame because he woul be a great option. It also massively decreases Odems appeal

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  13. kennethrhcp
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    missed the games tonight due to college, would donovan to a.johnson/milner for the coming gameweek be a good move? or just stick with donovan for the villa & blackburn games

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    1. FF23
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Stick with Donovan

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      1. kennethrhcp
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        cheers

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  14. kingbails
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    With Ade (c) and Walker as a differential to BAE, Drenthe and Felaini both playing to stop Simpson coming on I'm little bit upset

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  15. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Right, this old git is suffering from collapso dypso calypso! 😉 Night all, happy days! Benoit for President! 😀

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    1. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Sleep well.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Bad News from Chin Music has kept me at it ...

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    2. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      NIght!

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  16. FF23
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Looking at upcoming fixtures and form what 1 player would you drop?

    Adebayor
    RVP
    Aguero
    Dempsey
    Mata
    Silva
    Bale

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    1. pukey
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      adebayor

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      well we don't know if Silva is fit, but I'd still play him, I'd be inclined to drop Mata

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    3. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      We both know the answer.....

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    4. super zlatan
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Ade. However play him this gw.

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    5. The one who has a knock
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Adebayor. Nothing to do with my captain fail this week...

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    6. FORCA INTER
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      adebayour obviously

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    7. FF Dirtbag
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Silva. could be injured for a while.

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    8. isacki: full casual
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      Adecanthitabarndoor

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    9. FF23
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      i'm thinking Adebayor however i can't cash in as much on him. Also can't help but like mata playing as a forward and can see him picking up a few goals.

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    10. FF23
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      worth sticking in Henry? Any other cheap alternatives in for Ade?

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  17. rasher
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    so glad i activated my WC last week, so many injuries and changes to make. so had no choice really.

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  18. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    anyone considering a wc team without Dempsey?

    I think I might, I will have Silva, Valencia and Bale, having Dempsey as well feels like too much invested in my mid, when I have RvP and Aguero up front, I may just get a mid-priced mid, Sess, Etherington, Walters or someone new (assuming there is someone) and use the money in defence.

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    1. pukey
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      dont see the point in defense this year, clean sheets are hard to predict... 3-4-3 / 3-5-2all the way IMHO

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    2. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Dempsey more of a goal threat than Valencia.

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      1. FF23
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        +1

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    3. FORCA INTER
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      demspy should be fail in my eyes

      he is way to expesive for fulham MF

      i rather invaste money on kelly or senderos

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      1. alsybach
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        'invaste' is that a hybrid between 'invest' and 'waste'...................its a great word.............

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  19. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    surely cabaye better option than ben arfa

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    1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      I'm inclined to agree with you. The fact he's probably on penos in Ba's absence swings it for me

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        ameobi should be on pens but he on fk and probably more nailed on than ben arfa

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Obviously. But, apparently - he is not glamorous ...

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  20. DonTanTilla
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    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    I need one bonus point from either bale ade or walker, or i'm out of the cup :O.

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    1. alsybach
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      might be struggling there...............

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  21. DV8R
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Rate this WC team

    Mignolet, Sorensen
    Enrique, Huth, Lescott, Simpson, Senderos
    Bale, Valencia, Dempsey, Ben Arfa, McClean
    RVP, Aguero, Sturridge

    0.7 in the bank

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    1. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Don't see the need to have Huth, if you got Sorensen, and Richards looks more of a threat than Lescott.

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  22. Sammy
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    Guys - how nailed on is Kelly (fulham)?

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    1. super zlatan
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      He isn't nailed on. But if I was a betting man I would say he will start this gw

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    2. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      guessing about 80%. playing quite well and no other proper right back...

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  23. jezstatham
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    is balotelli injured?

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    1. The Spudgunner
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      No was put on the naughty step Mancini for giving Agger a boo-boo.

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  24. Craig
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Team from Week 24, any good? Where to improve 0.3m in bank

    Kenny Schwarzer
    Caulker Kompany Enrique Shotton Senderos
    Silva Bale Walters Sess Moses
    RVP Aguero Yak

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    1. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      It all looks, well, very average. I have no idea how to improve as I don't seem to be able to think beyond one gw at the mo. Sorry.

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  25. Royal5
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Well done Baines & Osman.. Combined for 3 (!) points i a duble gameweek..

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    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I can beat that!

      Jagielka and Drenthe = 2 points. Quality double gameweek returns there, folks!

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  26. Indalo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    5 Strong Mids and 2 Strong Forwards with 5 relatively cheap defenders or should more money go into defence?

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  27. King Eric, in America
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    BAE you f*cking cornrowed beauty!

    And Drenthe, Drenthe ... c'mere you 1 point t*sser, you!

    Can anyone point me towards the page where hearts broke when he came into the game, thus stranding points on benches?

    😀 😀 😀

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  28. Gigging Order
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    What is a decent score for this GW then? I got 70, I am guessing above the average but below par on here? (You love a bit of BAE)

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    1. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      72 with baps to come. Highly disappointing 🙁

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  29. Nomar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    If I'm not using my WC then I have £1m to spend and need to replace either Jags or Kompany.

    Which one to go and who best to replace them?

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Jags, he's out for longer. you're just short on Vern, maybe Richards?

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    2. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      If you can stand benching Komps for 2 games then Jags to whoever... you have the cash.

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      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Yeah, I figured Jags out and bench big Vince till he comes back.

        I'd have £6.5m so not enough to get Phil Jones. Can't get Spuds defender as I have Friedel and will keep him till WC.

        Thinking of a punt on a Villa defender for next 2 weeks actually. In a bad week for anyone called Warnock, I may bring one in!

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  30. Scroobius Mac
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Other advantage of BAE smashing it tonight if you've saved you're WC his price will rocket, you can play him for WOL and WIG and then bank the cash for somebody with better fixtures. Even if you've WCed this week I actually think its worth keeping him for the same reasons.

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