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Since arriving at Arsenal from Malaga during the summer, Santi Cazorla has added his name to a raft of attacking midfielders Fantasy managers have been keeping a close eye on. As with the likes of the Premier League’s other new attacking recruits such as Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Manchester United’s Shinji Kagawa, though, there was always an element of doubt before the season got under way; could these prestigious talents sparkle in the English top-flight and, as the old saying goes, were they able to cut it on a rainy Tuesday night match at Stoke?

Certainly from his opening two games, Cazorla’s talent was no longer in question as his slick passing and eye for goal from distance left Arsenal fans delighted and Fantasy managers licking their lips in anticipation of a flurry of points. From a Fantasy perspective doubts still remained, though, as his magnificent attacking play failed to unlock the Sunderland and Stoke defences as the Gunners registered back-to-back goalless draws.

In the Gameweek 3 trip to Liverpool, the flood gates opened and at last his potential as a key Fantasy asset was realised when the playmaker produced a goal, assist and two Fantasy Premier League (FPL) bonus points to amass a Gameweek total of 13 points. A further assist for Cazorla followed in the Gameweek 4 demolition of Southampton, with yet another assist, plus two FPL bonus points, in last weekend’s 1-1 draw at the Etihad. By now the writing was well and truly on the wall for Cazorla, who has arrived in a burst of Spanish flair as a proven force to be reckoned with in the Premier League.

For the savvy Fantasy managers, who have been watching Cazorla’s underlying attacking statistics closely during the first part of the season, Gameweek 7 has long been pencilled in as Santi day, when Arsenal’s tough opening fixtures come to an end. After this weekend’s home clash with Chelsea, the prospects look full of promise for strong attacking returns for the Gunners throughout the rest of October (whm, nor, QPR).

There is even strong argument for drafting him in ahead of this run to catch Cazorla before his price rises even further. Initially costing 9.0 in FPL, he has already climbed by 0.3, with over 28,000 Fantasy managers snapping him up this week. There is every chance Cazorla, who is Arsenal’s top points scorer in the FPL game with 30 points, will also be able to unlock a resolute Chelsea defence.

In the Sky Sports game, where he is priced at 6.7m, he is also set to be a key asset having already amassed 43 points, the second highest among the game’s midfielders. In the Sky game Cazorla is arguably even more desirable as bonus points are awarded for successful passes, just one of a number of attributes the bedazzling little Spaniard possesses.

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  1. Karmanya
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Hazard, Michu, Guthrie, Nolan and Routledge is the midfield

    Any changes required

    Hazard/Michu --> fellaini
    Guthrie --> Puncheon?????

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    1. inaam123
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      no all good go on with it

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  2. Karmanya
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    got stuck as the last comment of last page...

    Hazard, Michu, Guthrie, Nolan and Routledge is the midfield

    Any changes required

    Hazard/Michu –> fellaini
    Guthrie –> Puncheon?????

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    1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
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      Lose routledge. Dyer will be a mainstay with rout and hernandez rotating

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  3. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Tevez wont start will he?

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    1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      probably....

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    2. 1874FC
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      120 minutes in the week + you can never ever ever trust Mancini...ever

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    3. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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      nah....

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    4. Nice1Cyrille
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      I don't think he will

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  4. Le Bluff
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    My gut instinct was to do Kagawa > Cazorla last night to avoid the price rise. I didn't do it.

    Probably worth holding onto Kagawa for this week now? I've got a bad feeling that Cazorla is gonna be the man behind a good Arsenal win...

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    1. Hank Scorpio
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      If it's for a free then do what you think is best.

      If it's for a hit, I wouldn't bother just yet.

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    2. 1874FC
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      I want him but that would leave me with three Arsenal, Gibbs and Podolski being the other two.

      I may still get him but it will be next week as I don't want a 4pt hit

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  5. COMH
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Which 3 would you play this week?

    Ivanovic
    Cuellar
    Ridgewell
    Lowton

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    1. COMH
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Or play the 4 and bench Tevez?

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    2. Kostja
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      One of them will miss out anyway so you wont have a choice 🙂

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    3. Billy Gilmore
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Bench Ridge.

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    4. Mak_Gold
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Ivan, Cuellar, Lowton.

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    5. The Finnisher
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Ivan Cuellar and Lowton.
      WBA don't do away cleanies IIRC.

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    6. @ImpressiveTackl
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Ivan Cuellar Ridgewell and play Tevez.

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    7. Kevin Twine
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Ivanovic, Cuellar & Lowton.

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      1. 1874FC
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        13 years, 10 months ago

        +1

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  6. Scroobius Mac
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Hmm Darren Bent.
    Decent fixture against a defence missing their key player.
    Off the mark last week.
    Penos.
    Nailed on to start.

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Followed by an easy game against Tottenaham 😉

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 14 Years
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      Plays for Aston Villa...

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      1. Scroobius Mac
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        And that idea is over.

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      2. @ImpressiveTackl
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        😆

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      3. 1874FC
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        How dare.... nope, you're right 😉

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  7. Messiah Hazard
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    I am seriously thinking of getting rid of RVP and Tevez and getting in Berba and Aguero... And along with that upgrading Michu to Cazorla... But, once you sell RVP it will be very difficult to get him back again at his price, unless he drops a lot due to some long term injury...

    All these transfers would require me to WC as I have already taken a hit to get in Baines and Felliani...

    My team at the moment is:

    Jussi (Federici)
    Baines Rangel Demel (Clyne Hangeland)
    Michu Hazard Felliani Yaya (Kaca)
    Tevez Ba RVP

    Is it worth it to WC?

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    1. Christina.
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      Nope.

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    2. Scroobius Mac
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      No. You don't have to have everybody you want this week when most your players are fit and good prospects.

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    3. Hank Scorpio
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      You could always get RVP back in with the January WC and just be prepared to go without him until then.

      If you're going to want RVP back before January then there is no point in getting rid right now IMO as it would be a faff releasing the funds to afford him back.

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  8. Christina.
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Cuellar back in training.

    Noice.

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    1. Back on the horse
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      hope he's working on his long range shooting and crossing and assisting and PPI'ing

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    2. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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      sauce rudi

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        1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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          thanks nitin

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  9. @ImpressiveTackl
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    Any punters about? Which team is the bookie's biggest favourite to win this weekend? Need a team for my LMS comp.

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Everton

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
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        Cool. That's what I've went for 😉

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    2. blue cheese
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      Everton 2/5

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      1. @ImpressiveTackl
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        Thanks. Is the ?dog/bear? in your grav the same as the one in Billy Gilmore's above? What is their significance if you don't mind me asking?

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        1. blue cheese
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          13 years, 10 months ago

          Same. Merely a coincidence. 😉

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        2. Billy Gilmore
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          How very dare you call Barba a dog 😉

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  10. NATSTER
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Hi!

    Start Demel or Rangel this week? Leaning to Demel now, but Rangel still in starting team.

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    1. Lizard Lips
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Goals much less likely in the Stoke vs Swans game in my opinion, so I would go with Rangel.

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    2. red beard
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      im starting demel, benching rangel

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    3. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      bench rangel

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  11. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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    A) Zabs & Maloney Out - Demel & Pienaar In
    B) Zabs & Tevez Out - Baines and Berb/Fletcher/Lambert In
    C) save FT

    4pts hit for A and B

    Which to do?

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    1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      plz guys

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      1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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        Wouldn't move Zab until rotation starts to bite, unless you are doing it to find the Pienaar purchase, in which case that makes sense. I took a hit this week to get in Baines, so that would probably be my choice, but think hard about whether it should be Tevez to fund it. I don't know how much you bought him for, but sad to lose a 0.5 investment in him just to fund the Baines purchase.

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  12. red beard
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    im starting demel, rangel second sub.

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  13. F1989R
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Surely Mancini will start Aguero and Dzeko? Tevez and Super Mario both played 120 mins, if he was going to start one of them on Sat, he would have taken them off.

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    1. Home Run Baker
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Not true - they stayed on cos he wanted to win the game. Tevez is a workhorse - there's a chance he'll start.

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  14. Home Run Baker
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Any knee-jerk moves to make before Saturday?

    Begovic
    Baines(vc) - Gibbs - Demel
    Hazard - Cazorla - Michu - Fellaini
    RVP(c) - Tevez - Fletcher

    Subs: Begovic; 1 Guthrie 2 Davies 3 Clyne
    $0.1m, 0 FT
    Thanks

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    1. Nice1Cyrille
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Tevez>Berba

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      1. mdm
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        this, but next week for free

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  15. Fratboy
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Currently got my team set up like this, got subs right? I think this is the strongest it can be:

    Begovic
    Baines(vc) Rafael Gibbs Cuellar
    Fellaini HBA Cazorla
    RVP Berbatov Jelavi(c)

    Foster Sterling Puncheon Gorkss

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    1. FORCA INTER
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      nice

      i am jelaous at that team

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Lovely. I'd captain Fellaini though

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      1. Fratboy
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        13 years, 10 months ago

        Not sure I have the guts....

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    3. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      great team

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    4. Scroobius Mac
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      I'd play Sterling over one of the defenders just because I hate benching an attacking player with a decent fixture.

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    5. @ImpressiveTackl
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Great team. WC?

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Yes.

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      2. Fratboy
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah mate thanks!

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    6. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Don't captain Jelly.

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  16. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    How does this wc team look?

    Jaask Begovic
    Rafael Baines Ridgewell Cuellar Barnett
    Hazard Bale Cazorla Ben Arfa Pienaar
    Ba Lambert Berbatov

    What are peoples opinions, think personally it might work?

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      No RVP/Aguero/Tevez. Are you serious?

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        risk of rotation.

        I have 3 strikers who guaranteed starts plus big hitting mids to make up for loss of striker

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    2. FORCA INTER
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      looks like wc team

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    3. LOCO ABREU
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      bench nightmare.

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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        13 years, 10 months ago

        not really, I have cheap striker so if they play away in hard game I bench them. Got strong midfield who can play every game

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        1. The Finnisher
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          13 years, 10 months ago

          Yeah, I can't remember the last time Lambert or Ba scored in a hard away game? 🙄 Have fun.

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          1. LOCO ABREU
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 10 months ago

            +1

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    4. bdaomz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      no liverpool coverage

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      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
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        Which is good. The rest is poor

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    5. Hank Scorpio
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Looks like a nice squad, but....

      In practical terms attack is too cheap IMO............not enough manouverability fund wise if you need to jump on an expensive guy quickly.

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    6. 3Dog
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      I quite like it. With the upcoming fixtures you can captain any midfielder if needed. Lamb/Berbatov rotate well also, if you ever want to play all 5 mids.

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    7. Nice1Cyrille
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      Not sure keeper rotation looks bad, especially gw7. swap Bego>Foster

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  17. LOCO ABREU
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Tevez 1pt cameo this week, no thanks! tevez to Aguero for a hit! Who's with me?

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    1. bdaomz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      plus 1

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  18. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Is everyone benching Tevez?

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      No way, what if he starts?

      Even if he has a late cameo, he could easily score.

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      1. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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        13 years, 10 months ago

        But he played 120 minutes mid-week

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    2. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      No, lots are getting rid! 😯

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    3. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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      i think only mancini is....

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  19. Back on the horse
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    2nd in my 'you're the boss' league. +17 goal difference. I'm like Arsenal when they were still good

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Did Doos get you hooked?

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      1. Back on the horse
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        I just had a look cos he mentioned it, but a bit late to it. But after a shaky start I am nailing it. prob because everyone has given up 😉

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  20. fridge
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    my attack is

    Ben Arfa Pienaar Bale Michu Sterling
    RVP Berba Graham

    Have 3m in the bank so could do any of the below to Cazorla. Who should it be?

    a) ben arfa
    b) pienaar
    c) Michu
    d) Bale

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    1. bdaomz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      grahm to suraez

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    2. LOCO ABREU
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      bale

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  21. djt
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    terry banned for 4 games!!!

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    1. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      really?

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      1. Back on the horse
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        and a £220k fine. Oh well, let's move on. nothing to see here

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    2. Pinoche
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Oh Dear..

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    3. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Should be longer. C**t

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    4. I taught Ashley Young how t…
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      YAYYY!!!

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    5. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
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      Ridiculous

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  22. NED KELLY
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Who to bench out of Michu Dembele an Cole ?

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    1. Kostja
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Dembele

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    2. LOCO ABREU
      • 14 Years
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      dembele

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  23. Bow Locks
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Would this be an acceptable wildcard?

    Jaask, Mignolet
    Baines, McAuley, Ivanovic, Clyne, Nelsen
    Ben Arfa, Pienaar, Michu, Hazard, Cazorla
    Berbatov, Ba, Fletcher

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    1. Messiah Hazard
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Who from your front 8 will you bench?

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    2. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      yeah. who would you bench

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  24. Drip Doctor
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    • 15 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Cahill Wagon.

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Too bad, their fixtures suck.

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    2. The Artist
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      not if the fixtures have anything to say about it

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  25. afcblegend
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone know what the Adebayor situation is with his injury? Looks like Fletcher / Ba / Lambert / Podolski are possible Tevez replacement options, wondering whether to add Defoe to the list or not

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  26. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
    • 14 Years
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    Feck Terry!

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  27. hazza
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    I know there's a few out there with Cech and Jaas. We gotta play Jaas this weekend right?

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    1. 1874FC
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      13 years, 10 months ago

      No Terry for Chelsea? I would agree

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  28. 1874FC
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    13 years, 10 months ago

    Terry is guilty 4 game ban 20K fine

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    1. 1874FC
      • 14 Years
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      220K fine

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    2. Hank Scorpio
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Misses Arsenal, Norwich, Spurs and United games.

      I think.

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    3. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
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      So 4 weeks pay without playing, minus a week and a bits wages.
      Anyone think Chelsea should set a precedent and sack him?

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      1. heartsattack
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Are you being serious?

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        1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          If there was an enquiry at my work, non criminal, and someone was found guilty of racism they'd be fired for gross misconduct

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          1. heartsattack
            • 14 Years
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            And rightly so. If it was the subject of a criminal trial and they were found not guilty they would not be able to sack that person.

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            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              Yes they would. For gods sake, criminal trial does not stop, for example, civil issues.
              Case in point- oj Simpson, not guilty on criminal trial, guilty under civil law

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            2. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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              Nope, you're just flat wrong. The standard of proof AND the nature/definition of the wrong are different in criminal, civil, and non-formal settings. Workplace dismissal decisions do not even need to satisfy the balance of probablities--just a reasonableness test. Guilt in a criminal proceeding is a MUCH higher standard than just establishing whether he did it or not. That is why OJ Simpson escaped a murder conviction but still had to pay fr wrongful death in a civil action.

              It's OK to disagree with the ruling, but don't talk rubbish about the preclusive effect of a not-guilty verdict.

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              1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
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                You, my friend, speak sense and i thank you for it!

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                1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
                  • 14 Years
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                  That kind of talk makes a lawyer's skin crawl. "Not guilty" in a criminal court is among the most meaningless, and least understood, rulings in the law. And furthermore . . . .

                  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ 😉

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              2. heartsattack
                • 14 Years
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                Woahhh.

                So you're saying after a court finds someone innocent of a crime. The workplace can sack him for exactly the same offence.

                A lawyer of over 35 years told me the exact opposite.

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                1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
                  • 14 Years
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                  Well, the problem is that the offences are not "the same". First, no civil offence has the same nature as a criminal offense, and then each civil or criminal offence is described in its own terms. That doesn't even begin to go into workplace offences, which are usually just elaborations on the concept of misconduct or gross misconduct. I could go on about this all day, but the point is they are different offences, and JT was found "not guilty" of a specific offense theoretically punishable by the deprivation of either liberty or property. Within the FA, he is involved in civil relationships in which he agreed to subject himself to a separate regime from the criminal courts, and in which separately defined offences, with separate burdens of proof, could be punished by fines. No relationship, then, between the two rulings.

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                  1. heartsattack
                    • 14 Years
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                    i understand it a bit better now so thanks. I still don`t know how comfortable I am with the FA trying someone for basically the same thing as they have been found innocent of in the law courts but that`s just me.

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              3. heartsattack
                • 14 Years
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                And a civil action is still through the courts so completely different. This wasn`t a civil action it was the FA trying a man who was found not guilty in court.

                If you're ok with that then fine. My opinion is that after you're found inncoent in court you are in effect innocent and that normally is and should be the end of the matter.

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                1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
                  • 14 Years
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                  Last response: "not guilty" just means that the elements of a specific criminal offence were not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It does NOT mean that he has been proved innocent. The opposite of guilty is not innocent, it is merely not guilty. He can be proved liable, or cupable, for a lesser civil or even (in this case) contractual wrong as long as the evidence satisfies the contractual standard of proof and the dfinition of the offence. There is no finding of "innocence" out there that can protect JT; only the finding that a very different standard of proof and definition of offence was not established in the cirminal court.

                  Now I will go back to being an FFSer. 😉

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                  1. heartsattack
                    • 14 Years
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                    Thanks for your time in explaining it. Replied to your other explanation above.

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      2. Back on the horse
        • 15 Years
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        No, I think sacking is pretty severe. It must have been a case with some grey areas for the court not to find him guilty.

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  29. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    so even though I hate him... the British courts find him innocent but the FA guilty... who do they think they are?

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    1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      oh and if he is guilty why not 10 game ban like Suarez?

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      1. 1874FC
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Good question.

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      2. IfYouTinkerYou'llHaveA…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        apparently Suaez repeatedly called evra by that term (about 7 times) and Terry only said it once

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    2. Home Run Baker
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      One is under English law; the other under FA rules. No reason they have to be the same.

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      1. heartsattack
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        A citizen effectively being re-tried after being found not guilty in court is ridiculous and reeks of a witch hunt.

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        1. Henry Hill
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 10 months ago

          They are not the same processes. understand this

          court of law = not guilty because of reasonable doubt

          FA = guilty on balance of probability

          He was caught on camera calling Anton a f ucking black c unt, 4 game ban is too lenient

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          1. heartsattack
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 10 months ago

            I completely understand they are not the same. The FA is also not a court. He was found not guilty so whether you and I or the FA think he is guilty shouldn`t matter.

            In the eyes of the law he is innocent, the FA should have accepted that.

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        2. Jönny
          • 17 Years
          13 years, 10 months ago

          It's not "effectively being re-tried" - it's a professional dispute, rather than a criminal prosecution, two very different things.

          If I called my boss a fat b*stard and spat in his coffee then I probably wouldn't face criminal sanctions, however I'd expect it to have fairly major repercussions at work.

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          1. heartsattack
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 10 months ago

            If you call your boss a name and spat in his coffee and they did take you to court and you were subsequently found not guilty it would be illegal for them to fire you for that because legaly they would be firing an innocent man.

            It is effectively being re-tried.

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            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 10 months ago

              With all due respect that is completely wrong.

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              1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 10 months ago

                That is, as he said, completely wrong.

                The standard of proof AND the nature/definition of the wrong are different in criminal, civil, and non-formal settings. Workplace dismissal decisions do not even need to satisfy the balance of probablities–just a reasonableness test. Guilt in a criminal proceeding is a MUCH higher standard than just establishing whether he did it or not. That is why OJ Simpson escaped a murder conviction but still had to pay fr wrongful death in a civil action.

                It’s OK to disagree with the ruling, but don’t talk rubbish about the preclusive effect of a not-guilty verdict.

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                1. heartsattack
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 10 months ago

                  You clearly know what you're on about.

                  As i understood it if youre work or trade organisation took you to a tribunal they could find you guilty and punish you, fire you, whatever.

                  BUT

                  If you went to trial in a criminal court and were found not guilty then your employer, trade organisation could not then find you guilty of the same offence.

                  Is this incorrect?

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            2. Jönny
              • 17 Years
              13 years, 10 months ago

              (a) that would be fairly unlikely to get to court
              (b) you don't have to have broken the law to be fired, or to face professional sanctions. To use an equally silly example, it's not against the law to spend my working day on this forum, but it's probably frowned upon by my employer.

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              1. heartsattack
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 10 months ago

                Yeah and if it didn`t go to court then they could sack you and rightly so. What i'm saying is if it did go to court (as far as I understood) they could not sack you if found innocent.

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    3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      stupid decision

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    4. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      Criminal case = beyond reasonable doubt

      Civil case = balance of probabilities

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  30. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 10 months ago

    Terry 4 game ban

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    1. Conrad.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      how many EPL games is that?

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      1. Hank Scorpio
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        4.

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    2. 3Dog
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 10 months ago

      does it start immediately, ie, is he out of the Arsenal game?

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        yes

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      2. Hank Scorpio
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Pretty sure it does.

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      3. Hank Scorpio
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 10 months ago

        Only reason why not is maybe if there is some sort of appeal lodged that delays it being implemented or something.

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